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(News4Jax)   Police, firefighter telemarketer charities keep majority of collections for themselves, about 99 cents of each dollar brought in   (news4jax.com ) divider line
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2009-02-01 08:39:31 PM  
I've had them call harassingly to friends and family....
 
2009-02-01 08:54:34 PM  
One used to call me for their "annual" fund raiser approximately once every two months - once meaning calling repeatedly until they actually got me on the horn, the answering machine didn't count.
 
2009-02-01 08:56:08 PM  
 
2009-02-01 09:10:28 PM  
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
2009-02-01 09:25:35 PM  
Not really new nor surprising. Everytime these calls start in our area the local news agencies & newpaper run stories warning that these telemarketers are in no way connected with the police or the fire department. Even then there are those who donate to these ripoff artists.
 
2009-02-01 09:27:20 PM  
I haven't had a call from the "Texas State Troopers Association" in a few years. I loved when they called, though. It was like an open invitation to use every obscenity, in every variation that I knew. The conversations sounded like they were talking to Sgt.R. Lee Ermey's character from Full Metal Jacket. Only, I wasn't nearly as polite.

Seriously, though...if you show any sign that you might give in, they'll never leave you alone and they'll just keep harping on you for money. If they call, don't make any threats, but just rip 'em a new one.
 
2009-02-01 09:30:08 PM  

PacManDreaming: I haven't had a call from the "Texas State Troopers Association" in a few years. I loved when they called, though. It was like an open invitation to use every obscenity, in every variation that I knew. The conversations sounded like they were talking to Sgt.R. Lee Ermey's character from Full Metal Jacket. Only, I wasn't nearly as polite.

Seriously, though...if you show any sign that you might give in, they'll never leave you alone and they'll just keep harping on you for money. If they call, don't make any threats, but just rip 'em a new one.


Actually, if I get calls from telemarketers and have some extra time, I'll pull down my copy of Atlas Shrugged from the wall and start reading it to them.

It's amazing how few repeat telemarketer calls I get.
 
2009-02-01 09:53:56 PM  

Weaver95: Actually, if I get calls from telemarketers and have some extra time, I'll pull down my copy of Atlas Shrugged from the wall and start reading it to them.

It's amazing how few repeat telemarketer calls I get.


Oh, if I get a call from a regular telemarketer, I just talk to them like I'm retarded. I do a great impression of someone with Virchow-Seckel syndrome on PCP.

I just hold the "Texas State Troopers Association" in contempt. They would call and harass my grandmother mercilessly....and that was a good way to start a war with me. When I was visiting with her and they would call, I would hear her trying to get them to leave her alone. She was always calm and polite with them, but they would almost be threatening her to get her to hand over money. I'd go take the phone from her and tear into their asses(you work with 500 other Teamsters long enough, you learn some interesting insults). Ever since then, I have been extremely callous with them.
 
2009-02-01 10:13:12 PM  
Leave them alone in a room with the families of fallen police and firefighters.

Problem solved.
 
2009-02-01 10:26:40 PM  
It's OK to harass the cop telemarketers in New York State.
Alot of people feel intimidated when they call, but the fact is, cops are not allowed to call you, and if anyone calls and says they are one, just complain to the agency they're representing, and it's likely they'll lose the account.

"Badge deals", are very lucritive.
 
2009-02-01 10:26:52 PM  
I don't get what's wrong with a simple, "I'm not interested. *click*"

I've never had a problem w/ telemarketers though.
 
2009-02-01 10:31:53 PM  
I used to get calls from the Alabama State Troopers Association when I first moved up here. I told them I wasn't interested and that most of their collections never made it to the troopers.

Once after I don't them to piss off, they called me back to hassle me literally because I told them to get lost. Fark 'em.

/Only give to charities of my choice like Fisher House.
 
2009-02-01 10:45:46 PM  
FTP works as a great response for me. Only I don't use the letters.
 
2009-02-01 10:45:50 PM  
The ONLY way to deal with these calls, other then letting the answer machine answer them, is to answer the phone, and the instant you realize it's a telemarketing call say "Let me interrupt you, I'm not interested and please place me on your no-call list" and then hang up. This does a couple of things:
First many states require all telemarketing companies to keep a no-call list, even the ones that are exempt from the national no-call list. Now some companies may not keep it, but you still should request being placed on the list because most companies will honor the request.
Second, don't be an ass. Many telemarketing companies keep "good leads" (many sell this list) and "call-back" list, if you act like an ass you can be sure you will be put on every list they have, and it will only make your phone ring more.
 
2009-02-01 11:04:51 PM  
I pick up the phone and hang up on them. I will repeat this all day if need, I have had them claim that I or someone else made a pledge to their charity before, hasn't happened in a while but if it happens again I plan on getting some Zimbabwe dollars to send their way. Maybe one of the new trillion dollar notes.
 
2009-02-01 11:21:00 PM  
This is pretty much the main reason why I will only ever donate material goods or time to any charity. Money ALWAYS seems to go mostly for bureaucratic infrastructure rather than to the cause they claim so support.
 
2009-02-01 11:21:18 PM  

Carotid: I've had them call harassingly to friends and family....


They are by far the most high-pressure, harrassing, threatening calls I get.
 
2009-02-02 12:08:24 AM  
A long, long time ago I told them (my name) had moved out, and I was Bruce.

I now get calls for "Bruce" about every other month, thanking me for my past support and shilling those gold, silver and bronze stickers.

I usually tell them send the paperwork and I'll consider it.

Never stops them, though.
 
2009-02-02 12:23:57 AM  
I have never received a phone call from one of these groups. Thank god I...hold on phones ringing.
 
2009-02-02 01:45:31 AM  
True story.

Whenever I sign up for anything questionable, I always use my dog's(he died a year ago from very very old age) name, and email address.

I was having a beer, and checking out Fark, when the phone rang.

"Hello, may I speak with Fritz xxxxx?"
"Umm, he's a little indisposed right now, can I ask what this is in reference to?

"Could you please get him? It's very important, it's about his finances"

Well, lets see, he just deficated on the front lawn, and right now he's running around the yard yelling at squirrels, can I have him call you back?"

"Ummm, that's OK."
 
2009-02-02 06:58:10 AM  
Heh, I used to party with some dudes that wre the telemarketers for PBAs in many counties across the US. They sold ad space in a directory of businesses that is supposed to be printed and distributed kind of like a phone book. What they don't tell you is that they only need to print 50 or so books to satisfy their legal end of it, and they never distribute them. So if your business buys a $1400 full page ad the guy who made the call makes a quick $4-500, the company behind that guy makes a shiatload of money, and the policeman's death and disability fund gets around %20 of your initial donation. But hey, you get a sticker for your car out of the deal...

/they were the biggest con-men I've ever met
//I made a ton of money off of them for "party supplies"
 
2009-02-02 07:01:10 AM  
I had a guy in NC tell me that he was a NC SHP. I asked for his name and ID so I could verify, he hung up. Someone else called, I told 'em to quit calling because I know they were pocketing most of it. He denied it, I hung up. Someone else called, I told them that the SHP guy I talked to said they saw very little (if any) from that charity. So they call again about a week later. I said "remove me from your call list". The guy said that since they did business with me in the past they didn't have to. Then all those nice words I learned working at NNSY came into play.

They did call a year later, I gave the phone to my daughter and told her to talk to them for as long as possible. No calls since.
 
2009-02-02 07:02:26 AM  
oblig.

Link (pops)
 
2009-02-02 07:42:26 AM  
Did the obvious tage have the blue flu?
 
2009-02-02 07:51:10 AM  
When wifey takes their call she demands they send info for "my lawyer to review." They never send anything.

When I take the call I quiz them on their taste in underwear. They have the nerve to hang up on me! The number they call from on the caller ID usually doesn't work. The rudeness of those scrotes.
 
2009-02-02 07:51:42 AM  
my favorite is the support the troops crap you can buy at gas stations, that will actually advertise 10% of all the money earned from buying a 5 dollar magnetic ribbon, or 2 dollar yellow bracelet goes to the troops.
 
2009-02-02 08:01:28 AM  
fark telemarketers. If you want to donate money to the police just drive faster.
 
2009-02-02 08:10:54 AM  
Just this weekend, I've had a robo-call twice tell me some account at a bank I don't recognize has been suspended because of fraud. Press 1 to repeat message, 2 to reinstate the account.

I just hang up, because it sounds like phishing. Only thing is, actual phone calls to phish seem like an expensive way to do this, compared to e-mail.

Anyone else get this?
 
2009-02-02 08:17:51 AM  
TommyymmoT:
Whenever I sign up for anything questionable, I always use my dog's(he died a year ago from very very old age) name, and email address.


Your dog had an email address? ;)

Anyway...

There is slimeball marketing company in Ontario called R.A.P. Marketing who sells circus tickets on behalf of the Police Retirees. R.A.P. gets 50% of every dollar donated "to the kids", the circus gets 40% even if it was a donation with no ticket sold, and the rest would be used by the Retirees "as they see fit".

If you want to help someone out, do it directly. That way you know 100% (as opposed to 1-10%) of your dollar will be used the way you intended.
 
2009-02-02 08:18:38 AM  
Dear charities ;

STOP SENDING THE NICKELS.

We're not going to send you any money ever again, because one of you (I'm looking at you , Zombie Danny Thomas) gave our address out to every farking charity in the world.
 
2009-02-02 08:19:54 AM  
I tell them I have to go get my check book to check my balance them I wait to see how long till they hang up.
 
2009-02-02 08:38:17 AM  
I spent about an hour trying to convince a co-worker that donating to these scam organizations and getting a shiny sticker for your car does NOT get you immunity from being pulled over. After giving up I pointed out that yes he was in good with the state troopers...but probably now pissed off the County and City Cops. Damn, if he didn't find a county officers program to donate to within the month.
 
2009-02-02 08:38:26 AM  
When the FOP comes calling, I just inform them that I do not give money to trade unions.

It would be different if that little sticker actually got you some leniency sometimes...
 
2009-02-02 08:40:19 AM  
I get calls from the Florida state Police every day for months asking me for donations. I tell them that my number is on the Do Not Call list and they tell me "We never heard of it".

Wait, "WE?" What's worse that it's the same guy calling and talking to me. I've reported it to the phone company as harassment because the guy is nasty with me, threatening and demanding that I must make a donation to "assure" my family's safety. Sounds like a personal threat to me.

Even though my number IS on the DNC list, they won't stop calling threatening me to donate. Really, it's threatening!
 
2009-02-02 08:47:18 AM  
For those who live in areas served by volunteer fire departments and rescue squads, you can make donations directly to those organizations. I am unaware of any who use these telemarketing services.

/volunteer firefighter
 
2009-02-02 08:48:43 AM  

Weaver95: PacManDreaming: I haven't had a call from the "Texas State Troopers Association" in a few years. I loved when they called, though. It was like an open invitation to use every obscenity, in every variation that I knew. The conversations sounded like they were talking to Sgt.R. Lee Ermey's character from Full Metal Jacket. Only, I wasn't nearly as polite.

Seriously, though...if you show any sign that you might give in, they'll never leave you alone and they'll just keep harping on you for money. If they call, don't make any threats, but just rip 'em a new one.

Actually, if I get calls from telemarketers and have some extra time, I'll pull down my copy of Atlas Shrugged from the wall and start reading it to them.

It's amazing how few repeat telemarketer calls I get.


I think I'd rather listen to a telemarketer than read Ayn Rand.
 
2009-02-02 08:50:04 AM  
My husband is a deputy. We don't donate. If you want to donate, contact your local agencies and find out how (they will surely have local fundraisers, and it'll actually all go straight to them).

Also no - those stickers do nothing to get you out of a ticket. Have you ever seen the "thin blue line" stickers? Those are even worse. I don't know one cop who has one on a car they own, but I see them all the time placed strategically near the license plate.

/diabetes people do make me feel bad about the nickels
//put them in the bank and appreciate the free address labels
 
2009-02-02 08:54:18 AM  

NotSubby: Did the obvious tage have the blue flu?


Came to say this... Almost word for word!

/shakes tiny fist in the air at 'NotSubby'
 
2009-02-02 08:58:14 AM  
Even the farking Red Cross came under fire for this. A miniscule fraction of every dollar donated actually went to people/groups in need. The rest went towards the salaries, first class travel and 5-star accommodations for the executives of this "non-profit" organization.

Dunno if it's still like that, but fark them if it is.

/I'll buy a homeless guy a sammich any day, but will never, ever give them $$$
//oh yeah, DRTFA
 
2009-02-02 08:59:10 AM  
These guys are the most persistant SOB's ever.......

If you go with polite or respectful tone, they will not let you off the phone etc..

Caller ID, call screening FTW. The ones that call repeatedly for one month periods do not respect the "put me on your do not call list".
 
2009-02-02 09:00:04 AM  
I simply hang up or say I'm not interested. If there is the usual pause before the robocall starts, I hang up.

I used to play with the telemarketers, till I realized that it is usually some schlub on the other end who hates their soul deadening job.
 
2009-02-02 09:06:42 AM  
That's some fine police work there, Lou.

i242.photobucket.com
 
2009-02-02 09:13:51 AM  
Unfortunately, the Do Not Call list does not apply in these cases. As long as they donate ANY money, they qualify as a charity and are exempt under the do not call list, just like political organizations and "surveys." It only applies if they actually try to sell you something. Also, if you have a pre-existing business relationship with a company, that will override the do not call list, but if you specifically tell them to add you to their no call list, that overrides their exemption and they are no longer allowed to call.
 
2009-02-02 09:21:43 AM  
just say NO THANK YOU
 
2009-02-02 09:23:07 AM  
"But the phone kept ringing at least once a week until he mailed a check, he said."

You dipshiat, sending them money doesn't make the calls stop. It puts you on the sucker list and makes the problem much much worse.

/thanks, "charity" exemption clause
 
2009-02-02 09:30:23 AM  
As soon as the person on the other end asks for me and mispronounces my name, or there is a pause between my "hello" and anyone responding I simply hang up without saying a word.
 
2009-02-02 09:30:31 AM  
When a tele-charity calls me I try to waste as much of their time as possible.The longest I had them on the phone was twenty minutes.They get very pissed when they realize you have no intention of donating.
 
2009-02-02 09:44:36 AM  

boobsrgood: That's some fine police work there, Lou.


This looks shopped.
I can tell from the... well... you get it.
 
2009-02-02 09:46:19 AM  
I used to work for such a telemarketing company, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

We were in Kansas- called all over the U.S. for different fraternal orders of police, etc. No doubt the majority of the money went elsewhere. I think the groups were guaranteed a specific sum and/or a percentage of the donation.

Sorry I didn't love my job enough to do it for free and all, but at least the organizations got something. It's not like they were calling hundreds of thousands of people on their own behalf.

//shiatty summer job
//ask for a mail-in. Keep the sticker.
 
2009-02-02 09:46:43 AM  
Wow, the things I'm missing out on by not having a landline!

My parents get harassed by them all the time, stepdad is good at yelling at people, but they really are threatening. They yell at you and imply that if you don't give them money the cops won't protect them. effed up.

I think I heard my mom yell back at them once "if you really were a cop, you wouldn't threaten citizens like this"
 
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