This sounds more like a vagina crisis to me.

Theflatline

Here is what I have heard last week.

1. My husband likes to roll over at night while i am sleeping and fark me while I have my cpap machine on.
2. I love waxing my hoo ha, makes it look so pretty and pink. She has a gunt.

So I am all for dress codes and weight limits.

I'd feel sorry for you, having to sit near a classless ass like that, except that you sound like an even bigger pig than she is.

Bad_Seed: You should try to sort them out, both for your own sake, and humanity's.

Don't worry, dude; it's not like Red_October will ever get the chance to breed. If the females of his species don't spurn him first, then the alpha male will no doubt drive him off.

Blhack
Almost everybody in this thread needs to promptly STFU.

Men have dresscodes too! We have to shave, and we have to have shoes that match our pants. We have to tuck our polos in.

Do you think we wouldn't rather come in to work rocking the jeans that we slept in and our favorite t-shirt? The women that I work with all wear jeans and t-shirts to work every single farking day where all the of the men are required to wear dress pants and button-ups or polo shirts.


You're an idiot. That's not our problem with this. Women look perfectly professional in nice pressed Pantsuits and flats. Heels and skirts should not be required.

Nogale: bobbette: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I wear skirts all the time. Love 'em. Come to think of it, save my shoes, I'm looking damned professional for a Sunday. I've gotten really good at finding skirts that can look professional or casual depending on what I wear them with.

Besides, I'm short and hemming pants is a pain in the ass.

I have exactly one pair of heels for night-on-the-town, and that's all I need. I used to run distance and heels aggravate the hell out of an old injury, so why would I wear them every day?

If this was the US, I'd be taking bets on the date of the first ADA or OSHA complaint.

As for makeup, y'know what? I wear it sometimes. Sometimes I don't. I can look perfectly professional with or without it on, so f--k off. Wonder if they'll ask the ladies to re-apply after lunchtime? Christ.

Yeah, where do they stop with the makeup??!

"Helen... come into my office. Well, we have a little issue here. You see, you haven't been powdering your forehead enough and your T-zone is a little bit shiny. We're also concerned that that shade of plum lipstick isn't working for you since you're more of an Autumn. No, NO, you're not a Winter at ALL! Didn't you have your colours done before you were hired as an executive in Mergers and Acquisitions?"

Exactly. Requiring makeup, besides being sexist, is a recipe for trouble.



How is it sexist..? That's like if I were to stroll in to the office monday morning with a skirt and some heels monday morning, to show off my (hairy)legs, and when they say it's not appropriate, I should call them sexist?
Welcome to the professional world, you know how you should dress, quit your complaining. I don't WANT to wear a suit, but it's expected.
Do your job, look professional while doing it, or someone else that doesn't have a job will gladly take it from you.

WWWWwaaaaaahhhhhh!!!

cherryl taggart: I figured by now someone would have posted the pic of the ghetto chick that ruined casual Friday.

When I don't have to be the only one who can fix the printers, copiers, fax machines, reboot the system after reconfiguring it yet again, then I will wear a dress or skirt with heels and hose. Until then, bite me. Guess that's why I'm am self-employed. Only look nice when meeting the cash cows.

Wait....you're being practical! And I respect you for that!!

/a guy
//lives in the real world

Is this the thread where submissive men make a show of how they'd like to keep women in their place? Ah, I think it is. Carry on, then.

VinceCCSP: Nogale:
Exactly. Requiring makeup, besides being sexist, is a recipe for trouble.



How is it sexist..? That's like if I were to stroll in to the office monday morning with a skirt and some heels monday morning, to show off my (hairy)legs, and when they say it's not appropriate, I should call them sexist?
Welcome to the professional world, you know how you should dress, quit your complaining. I don't WANT to wear a suit, but it's expected.
Do your job, look professional while doing it, or someone else that doesn't have a job will gladly take it from you.

My point, and the point of most other women who've posted here, is that professionalism means looking neat and put-together. Not prettified.

If you want to wear a skirt and heels, fine, but shave your legs. (We are expected to, after all.)

And if we're expected to haul out the concealer and face powder to cover up dark circles or the occastional zit - well, guys, we should expect the same from you.

I notice you cut off the part of my post that explained why requiring women to wear makeup might not be the best way of ensuring a "professional" look.

I can't think of anyone under 65 who would support this.

I think women should leave the bank altogether and let these stupid f*ckwads fail on their own. It's a man's game anyway. Funny how when men fail at their own game, women are to blame.

soze: If you're telling me you can't find a comfortable professional-looking heel, you suck at shopping.

And we have the resentful, envious, submissive woman, too!

How dare these feminists in pants suits go around thinking they're better than me! The nerve!

girljen: Continuous Positive Airway Pressure.

/fixed
/or maybe healed...

Women look perfectly professional in nice pressed Pantsuits and flats.

No, they don't.

Let's not forget, the men in British banking should be wearing John Lobb bespoke shoes (£3000) and a bespoke suit from Savile Row (£3500). So, without any accessories (shirt, cufflinks, undergarments, tie) you are already looking at nearly $10,000.

Nogale: Applying makeup properly takes some skill, and not everyone possesses it.

No makeup will always look more professional than badly-applied makeup.

I agree. But since they don't specify exactly what kind of make-up their female employees should have, it would be fun to come to work painted like a clown - that's make-up, too!

citizen905: Is this the thread where submissive men make a show of how they'd like to keep women in their place? Ah, I think it is. Carry on, then.

Exactly. A real man doesn't mind his woman going to work in these:



/Engineer
//Looks ultra-badass on the days that I wear skirts with my boots
///BF loves it

So I says to Mabel: Nogale: Applying makeup properly takes some skill, and not everyone possesses it.

No makeup will always look more professional than badly-applied makeup.

I agree. But since they don't specify exactly what kind of make-up their female employees should have, it would be fun to come to work painted like a clown - that's make-up, too!

Hmmm. Peach-tinted foundation, clumpy royal blue mascara, teal eyeliner, and brown lipliner around bronze gloss? Not to mention blush stripes? Could work.

If you don't want to wear the uniform, don't take the farking job!

Why do people have such a hard time with this?

Space Cadet Netty:

Exactly. A real man doesn't mind his woman going to work in these:



/Engineer
//Looks ultra-badass on the days that I wear skirts with my boots
///BF loves it

Sure, if a real man enjoys a chick with a nutsack. Do you tea-bag him with those?

brewssuds: If you don't want to wear the uniform, don't take the farking job!

Why do people have such a hard time with this?


You have totally missed the point. The fact of the matter is, they have outlined a dress code for women ONLY. The minute you start dictating that one gender has to follow certain rules (rules that were born many years ago in a sexist workplace) is the minute you have over stepped your boundaries.

My boss came to me one day to complain about my shirt I was wearing. The rule we had: Men must wear a button down shirt with collar. I came in wearing a golf shirt. It had buttons and a collar. I told her that I'd change if she wouldn't wear the thigh high red leather boots and a mini. I made her cry.

Nogale

And if we're expected to haul out the concealer and face powder to cover up dark circles or the occastional zit - well, guys, we should expect the same from you.

Why? We're not women.
See, this is where the entire feminist movement breaks down. "I am woman, hear me ROAR!" implies that woman are somehow different than men. This view conflicts with the stated goal of equality. If you are special or even distinguishable from anything else, then you are different.
So either drop the woman-empowerment bullshiat, or accept that you are different and that you are going to be held to a different set of standards, you can't have both.

Red_October: Space Cadet Netty:

Exactly. A real man doesn't mind his woman going to work in these:



/Engineer
//Looks ultra-badass on the days that I wear skirts with my boots
///BF loves it

Sure, if a real man enjoys a chick with a nutsack. Do you tea-bag him with those?


Insecure about your own manhood much? If you can look at any educated female out in the field wearing work appropriate footwear and envision a penis on her, you have bigger issues than you can find help for here on Fark.

Blhack: Nogale

And if we're expected to haul out the concealer and face powder to cover up dark circles or the occastional zit - well, guys, we should expect the same from you.

Why? We're not women.
See, this is where the entire feminist movement breaks down. "I am woman, hear me ROAR!" implies that woman are somehow different than men. This view conflicts with the stated goal of equality. If you are special or even distinguishable from anything else, then you are different.
So either drop the woman-empowerment bullshiat, or accept that you are different and that you are going to be held to a different set of standards, you can't have both.

At this point I don't even understand your argument. (Granted, it's midnight where I live and I'm tired.)

If makeup is required to be considered "presentable," why shouldn't men have to wear it? Why are men allowed to walk around sporting blemishes, and not women?

There is no reason why a woman can't comply with the most professional standards of dress without wearing makeup or high heels.

Waitresses in skanky bars wear plenty of makeup and high heels, but I don't think that's the look that the Bank of England wants for its employees.

Professionals should look clean and well-kempt. Hygiene is a priority. Workplaces can mandate that workers wear suits, or come up with a definition of "business dress" that suits their needs.

No one is quibbling with the idea of a dress code, just the idea that makeup and heels = "professional."

MrSteve007: Yeah, and why are guys in some high profile jobs, dealing with clients expected to have well polished, expensive shoes, tailored suits and quality ties?

My wife will say the same thing, then I point out that guys shoes cost 2x's any of hers, most quality ties cost $75+, and a quality tailored sport jacket costs an easy $400+. The best suit I wear when meeting with our top clients costs $3,000. Sure you can get cheaper stuff at the men's wearhouse, but it's exactly that, cheaper. Not to say that there isn't really expensive, designer woman's clothes, but it isn't all blue jeans and rainbows for white collar guys.

meh. both standards are retarded.

i don't really see why your employer would care about anything other than the quality of your work. high-heeled shoes or a $3000 suit doesn't make your product any better.

See, this is where the entire feminist movement breaks down. "I am woman, hear me ROAR!" implies that woman are somehow different than men. This view conflicts with the stated goal of equality. If you are special or even distinguishable from anything else, then you are different. So either drop the woman-empowerment bullshiat, or accept that you are different and that you are going to be held to a different set of standards, you can't have both.

People don't have to be identical to qualify for equal rights, you silly twit.

Space Cadet Netty: You have totally missed the point. The fact of the matter is, they have outlined a dress code for women ONLY. The minute you start dictating that one gender has to follow certain rules (rules that were born many years ago in a sexist workplace) is the minute you have over stepped your boundaries.

Men also have a dress code that is anchored in age-old gender bias: if one of the male managers of this bank showed up in a skirt and heels, wearing makeup, and sporting long hair, do you really think that would be overlooked?

Space Cadet Netty: citizen905: Is this the thread where submissive men make a show of how they'd like to keep women in their place? Ah, I think it is. Carry on, then.

Exactly. A real man doesn't mind his woman going to work in these:



/Engineer
//Looks ultra-badass on the days that I wear skirts with my boots
///BF loves it

Your boyfriend sounds like a fag.

brewssuds: Space Cadet Netty: citizen905: Is this the thread where submissive men make a show of how they'd like to keep women in their place? Ah, I think it is. Carry on, then.

Exactly. A real man doesn't mind his woman going to work in these:



/Engineer
//Looks ultra-badass on the days that I wear skirts with my boots
///BF loves it

Your boyfriend sounds like a fag.



How many gay guys do you know who would be impressed by workboots?

joethebastard: MrSteve007: Yeah, and why are guys in some high profile jobs, dealing with clients expected to have well polished, expensive shoes, tailored suits and quality ties?

My wife will say the same thing, then I point out that guys shoes cost 2x's any of hers, most quality ties cost $75+, and a quality tailored sport jacket costs an easy $400+. The best suit I wear when meeting with our top clients costs $3,000. Sure you can get cheaper stuff at the men's wearhouse, but it's exactly that, cheaper. Not to say that there isn't really expensive, designer woman's clothes, but it isn't all blue jeans and rainbows for white collar guys.

meh. both standards are retarded.

i don't really see why your employer would care about anything other than the quality of your work. high-heeled shoes or a $3000 suit doesn't make your product any better.

Your employer would care because they're the one's paying you. If you don't like it, don't work for them.

Nogale

You're implying that men and woman should be held to the same standards. What I am saying is that since men and women are NOT the same, that they shouldn't.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, or mean. I don't think that men should be domineering over women or anything like that. Simply put, we aren't the same. To hold us to the same standards would be foolish.

Similar to the makeup argument is dress. Women look good in tight, form fitting clothing that accentuates their curves; men, generally, do not. Me look good in looser fitting, baggier, heavier clothing. Is this trend driven by sexuality? Probably, if not definitely, but that doesn't change that it is reality.

Sir Vanderhoot:

I kind of want a utilikilt (new window). Not sure if I could pull it off, though. Looks damn comfortable.

Get one! My husband wears them all the time (not at work, he would if he could though) and they're dead sexy. I'm seeing more and more of them all over the place and have yet to see a guy who didn't look more attractive because of it.

He raves about the comfort, and the unrestricted blood flow is a benefit for both of us. Forget Enzyte!

On topic, I'd be insulted if my boss told me to wear makeup and heels, but I tend to put myself together before work anyway so it never comes up. It makes me want to strangle the girl that comes to work in sweatpants that say "Juicy" on the arse riding low enough to see her thong, ten thousand or so gold bracelets, a nappy dollar store weave, three inch nails a month overdue for a fill, and lip liner five shades darker the her Bonnie Bell LipSmackers gloss.

wmoonfox: Space Cadet Netty: You have totally missed the point. The fact of the matter is, they have outlined a dress code for women ONLY. The minute you start dictating that one gender has to follow certain rules (rules that were born many years ago in a sexist workplace) is the minute you have over stepped your boundaries.

Men also have a dress code that is anchored in age-old gender bias: if one of the male managers of this bank showed up in a skirt and heels, wearing makeup, and sporting long hair, do you really think that would be overlooked?

Many years ago, I worked at Starbucks. The uniform was a shirt "with buttons" (yes, polos counted) in either black or white, worn with black or beige pants, knee-length skirts, or shorts. And the gorgeous green apron, of course. But that's not germane.

One day I was sent over to another, understaffed branch. There was a guy - clearly a guy - who went by the name Claire and who chose to wear a skirt. No one batted an eyelash.

Now, I'm assuming that the Bank of England is a tad more conservative, but gentlemen - if you don't like the standard, agitate to change it!

Women fought for the right to wear pants (my mother remembers being required to wear skirts to school in Chicago - lots of fun in the winter.) If you want to cast off your ties - cast them off! These gender stereotypes aren't set in stone.

I would fully support the rights of men to wear skirts or long hair to work, if they were so inclined.

Space Cadet Netty
How many gay guys do you know that would be impressed by workboots

I imagine that the ratio of gay men that are attracted to workboots vs gay men that aren't is about the same as the ratio of women that are vs women that aren't.

As much as you might not like it, your example of workboots is an example of masculinity. Workboots are heavy, thick, big, are something that people wear while doing manual labor. These are all things that are traditionally associated with masculine men.

brewssuds: Your employer would care because they're the one's paying you. If you don't like it, don't work for them.

Way to miss the point.

And no, my employer doesn't care what I look like, as long as I produce results. Because that's all that actually matters.

Blhack: Nogale

You're implying that men and woman should be held to the same standards. What I am saying is that since men and women are NOT the same, that they shouldn't.
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, or mean. I don't think that men should be domineering over women or anything like that. Simply put, we aren't the same. To hold us to the same standards would be foolish.

Similar to the makeup argument is dress. Women look good in tight, form fitting clothing that accentuates their curves; men, generally, do not. Me look good in looser fitting, baggier, heavier clothing. Is this trend driven by sexuality? Probably, if not definitely, but that doesn't change that it is reality.

Well, this is a matter of taste. I think guys look much better in T-shirts (that show off their build) and jeans than in suits, but that's me.

Now, do you believe that overweight women look better in form-fitting clothes? If so, more power to you. If not, than your argument for what's suitable professional dress for women brings us into even rockier territory. If only slim, pretty women can look good in form-fitting clothes and makeup, and only form-fitting clothes and makeup are considered appropriate for a professional workplace, it follows that only slim, pretty women can be considered professional-looking. (Waits for a rousing course of "Hell, yeah!" and "Duh")

And no, my employer doesn't care what I look like, as long as I produce results. Because that's all that actually matters.

A big part of producing results when you're working with people outside of your own company (and even sometimes with people inside of your company) is the way that you present youself.

If you welcomed clients into an office that was overflowing with garbage and smelled like rotting cabbage, they would likely have doubts about the professionalism of your company. Likewise, if when you present yourself you are unkempt, they will draw similar conclusions.

A $3000 suit says "We are successful; enough other people have found us to be satisfactory and so will you". A cheap, crappy suit says "I don't have any customers and there is probably a reason for it."

Yeah, this sucks but once you get over your teenage angst and hatred for the system you will understand.

Blhack: If you welcomed clients into an office that was overflowing with garbage and smelled like rotting cabbage, they would likely have doubts about the professionalism of your company. Likewise, if when you present yourself you are unkempt, they will draw similar conclusions.

Sorry, you're still wrong. Or, at least, your generalization is wrong. I'm sure there are people out there who get hung up on stupid crap like this (hence the article). But that hardly means it isn't stupid.

I've never had a client tell me "boy, these results are great, but they would have been so much better if you were wearing slacks instead of cargo pants."

A $3000 suit says "We are successful; enough other people have found us to be satisfactory and so will you". A cheap, crappy suit says "I don't have any customers and there is probably a reason for it."

A $3000 suit says "I spend an exorbitant amount of money on clothing". Nothing more. There are plenty of well-dressed people who are still incompetent.

Yeah, this sucks but once you get over your teenage angst and hatred for the system you will understand.

Yeah, because being concerned only with quality of a service/product is totally teenage angst.

Well, this is a matter of taste. I think guys look much better in T-shirts (that show off their build) and jeans than in suits, but that's me.

Now, do you believe that overweight women look better in form-fitting clothes? If so, more power to you. If not, than your argument for what's suitable professional dress for women brings us into even rockier territory. If only slim, pretty women can look good in form-fitting clothes and makeup, and only form-fitting clothes and makeup are considered appropriate for a professional workplace, it follows that only slim, pretty women can be considered professional-looking. (Waits for a rousing course of "Hell, yeah!" and "Duh")

I say this while half-ducking already, but only healthy people do look professional. That is mean, and cold, and heartless; yeah, I know, but it's also true.
I know this is a recurring theme with what I'm saying, but it is all about being presentable. When you're trying to attract business, attention to detail is important. The grass in front of your building should not be overgrown, the floors should be clean, the building should be well-maintained. Everything, from the employees down to the business cards needs to say "We are on top of things and are going to take care of everything that you need".

Yes, there are rare cases where people can't help it.
Generally speaking, if an employee cannot even take the time to care for themselves how are they ever going to take care of anybody else?

Any guy who required I do this would get kicked in the balls with my steeltoe boots.

I am 5'2" and on the skinny side. It is basically impossible for me to find "business" clothes that fit, and trust me I tried. I had to wear full business wear for my senior presentation when I was getting my bachelors, and five stores later I still couldn't find pants that fit and shoes that didn't hurt.

I have since discovered that I look reasonable in 28" waist Dockers, so if I have to dress business, I wear those and tuck in a buttonup shirt. I don't wear heels unless they're on workboots, because my grandma had shortened hamstrings and I'm not going there. I don't wear makeup (I react poorly to most beauty care products, and I don't like it).

Of course I'm now getting an industrial associates so none of this matters to me. The materials used in business clothes should not be worn if you work in the nuclear power, which is where I plan to be.

/rant off

Blhack: I say this while half-ducking already, but only healthy people do look professional. That is mean, and cold, and heartless; yeah, I know, but it's also true.
I know this is a recurring theme with what I'm saying, but it is all about being presentable. When you're trying to attract business, attention to detail is important. The grass in front of your building should not be overgrown, the floors should be clean, the building should be well-maintained. Everything, from the employees down to the business cards needs to say "We are on top of things and are going to take care of everything that you need".

Yes, there are rare cases where people can't help it. Generally speaking, if an employee cannot even take the time to care for themselves how are they ever going to take care of anybody else?

You sound fat.

JoeTheBastard
Yeah, because being concerned only with quality of a service/product is totally teenage angst.

What industry do you work in? Are you a computer programmer or IT professional of some kind? In these cases, you're absolutely right, presentation DOES NOT matter, numbers do.

However, if you're the one out shaking hands and meeting people, it does.

Blhack: What industry do you work in? Are you a computer programmer or IT professional of some kind? In these cases, you're absolutely right, presentation DOES NOT matter, numbers do.

At the present, research.

However, if you're the one out shaking hands and meeting people, it does.

In the last industrial job I had, I met with clients regularly. And no, it didn't.

BiblioTech: Ringshadow: my grandma had shortened hamstrings

With my grandma I think it was the Achilles tendon. She literally became unable to wear anything that did not have a heel. I refuse to go there, too.

/fistbump

Yeah, apparently my grandma could only wear flats if she was playing tennis, and had to wear heels at all other times or her legs would cramp up.
Glad I'm not alone. Huzzah.

Blhack: Well, this is a matter of taste. I think guys look much better in T-shirts (that show off their build) and jeans than in suits, but that's me.

Now, do you believe that overweight women look better in form-fitting clothes? If so, more power to you. If not, than your argument for what's suitable professional dress for women brings us into even rockier territory. If only slim, pretty women can look good in form-fitting clothes and makeup, and only form-fitting clothes and makeup are considered appropriate for a professional workplace, it follows that only slim, pretty women can be considered professional-looking. (Waits for a rousing course of "Hell, yeah!" and "Duh")

I say this while half-ducking already, but only healthy people do look professional. That is mean, and cold, and heartless; yeah, I know, but it's also true.
I know this is a recurring theme with what I'm saying, but it is all about being presentable. When you're trying to attract business, attention to detail is important. The grass in front of your building should not be overgrown, the floors should be clean, the building should be well-maintained. Everything, from the employees down to the business cards needs to say "We are on top of things and are going to take care of everything that you need".

Yes, there are rare cases where people can't help it.
Generally speaking, if an employee cannot even take the time to care for themselves how are they ever going to take care of anybody else?

You have a point, but there are things you can legislate and things you can't. When does a definition of "healthy" become prejudice against any woman (or man) who doesn't look like a centerfold?

Look. We all know The Office Slob, right? A middle-aged, overweight guy with a combover whose suit jacket is too small and whose tie is too wide. His pants probably don't fit properly and his shirt might have some gaps between the buttons where the fabric is straining to cover his girth.

But hey, he's wearing a suit and tie, so he's golden. Technically, he's complying with the "professional" dress code. Based solely on his appearance, is he an asset? Hardly. But he might be great at his job.

It's possible to meet the letter of the dress code while missing the spirit entirely.

So if what clean, tidy professionalism is what you're looking for, say so.