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2009-02-02 02:07:21 AM  

D'WildcatSpeed: The face mask on Rodgers-Cromartie was bullcrap...


He grabbed the mask, turned the head. Sorry, textbook.

Of course the roughing the passer was bullcrap..

The guy double fisted Ben in the back after he let the ball go. Had he not stiff-armed him but held his hands up and made an attempt not to hit him, it wouldn't have been a penalty.

the running into the holder was bullcrap too, he's stumbling and just happens to be going in the direction of the holder, what do you want him to do...

They want him to not hit the stationary guy who held the ball just like every other team manages to do all year long. Seriously, how many times do you ever see someone do that? He ran straight into the holder, textbook.

Also, I think it was an incomplete pass, not a fumble on the last play.

You thought wrong.
 
2009-02-02 02:08:25 AM  
i94.photobucket.com

Still want to think he didn't have both feet in?
 
2009-02-02 02:16:44 AM  

bPrize: Still want to think he didn't have both feet in?


Steeler haters will say it's Photoshopped. Some of those pixels look off.
 
2009-02-02 02:24:52 AM  

4NSpy: Seems my calculations were off...


****

Chris Mortensen called the exact score this morning on NFL Countdown. He is more than lucky. He must be the most connected Sports/Journalists in the business.

Sure his call was a guess, but it was an EDUCATED guess, and he got it right...as usual.
 
2009-02-02 02:26:31 AM  

Train_of_Thought: D'WildcatSpeed: The face mask on Rodgers-Cromartie was bullcrap...

He grabbed the mask, turned the head. Sorry, textbook.


Umm, his head did not turn. He grabbed the mask for about 1 and half seconds, did not turn the head.

the running into the holder was bullcrap too, he's stumbling and just happens to be going in the direction of the holder, what do you want him to do...

They want him to not hit the stationary guy who held the ball just like every other team manages to do all year long. Seriously, how many times do you ever see someone do that? He ran straight into the holder, textbook.


He did not intentionally b-line straight for the holder, he was stumbling and not even looking where he was going. You want to penalize him for being knocked off balance and just happening to stumble in the direction of the holder? It's essentially the same as roughing the passer. If that happens on a QB, its not a penalty, so it shouldn't be on a holder.
 
2009-02-02 02:26:34 AM  
Why don't you RE-look at the Holmes Touchdown in the last regular season Baltimore game too?

The Steelers won, as a Steeler FAN I admit the roughing the passer call was bull. LET IT GO!
 
2009-02-02 02:36:39 AM  

D'WildcatSpeed: He did not intentionally b-line straight for the holder, he was stumbling and not even looking where he was going.


That is one rule that has always, always been called that way. Intent has zero factor in a roughing the passer/kicker call. There have been countless "player pushed into" let alone "stumble like a clown" plays over the decades. You have no leg to stand on here.

The roughing, as with other blown calls both ways, was questionable. These things happen every week in nearly every game. We gotta deal with it.
 
2009-02-02 02:38:07 AM  

D'WildcatSpeed: He did not intentionally b-line straight for the holder, he was stumbling and not even looking where he was going. You want to penalize him for being knocked off balance and just happening to stumble in the direction of the holder? It's essentially the same as roughing the passer. If that happens on a QB, its not a penalty, so it shouldn't be on a holder.


Dude...it's a penalty. It's the same as roughing the kicker. The holder is in a defenseless position. Like roughing the kicker, the defensive players have to be in control of their body. The Cardinal player plowed right through the holder. If the Steelers had done it to the Cardinals and it wasn't called, you would be screaming about how the Steelers get all the calls.
 
2009-02-02 02:46:08 AM  

vento: D'WildcatSpeed: He did not intentionally b-line straight for the holder, he was stumbling and not even looking where he was going. You want to penalize him for being knocked off balance and just happening to stumble in the direction of the holder? It's essentially the same as roughing the passer. If that happens on a QB, its not a penalty, so it shouldn't be on a holder.

Dude...it's a penalty. It's the same as roughing the kicker. The holder is in a defenseless position. Like roughing the kicker, the defensive players have to be in control of their body. The Cardinal player plowed right through the holder. If the Steelers had done it to the Cardinals and it wasn't called, you would be screaming about how the Steelers get all the calls.


Would not......
 
2009-02-02 02:47:27 AM  
As a Steelers fan, I would like to say the following:

- Congratulations to the Cardinals for an awesome game. Your players and coaches exhibit class with a capital "C".

- To their fans: Keep your head up. You're going to have many years of finally watching a quality football team.

- For the past couple weeks, I've heard a lot of people saying Steelers fans are classless. If people who hate your team would nit-pick every play of every game in an effort to discredit everything that your team does, then you would be on the defensive as well. The plays and penalties that people are whining about only add to the fire. Santonio had two feet in. The roughing the passer call was correct (if it were turned around and it was Warner that was roughed, imagine the outcry if it wasn't called). Grabbing the facemask is a facemask penalty - and it's 15 yards now. The safety call was correct.
 
2009-02-02 02:49:48 AM  

D'WildcatSpeed: Would not......


Either way, you're still incorrect about the call. It was a penalty. Always has been and always will be. The only way that play might not be called is if the guy was pushed into the holder by a Steelers player. That was not the case in this instance.
 
2009-02-02 02:51:48 AM  

vento: As a Steelers fan, I would like to say the following:

- Congratulations to the Cardinals for an awesome game. Your players and coaches exhibit class with a capital "C".

- To their fans: Keep your head up. You're going to have many years of finally watching a quality football team.

- For the past couple weeks, I've heard a lot of people saying Steelers fans are classless. If people who hate your team would nit-pick every play of every game in an effort to discredit everything that your team does, then you would be on the defensive as well. The plays and penalties that people are whining about only add to the fire. Santonio had two feet in. The roughing the passer call was correct (if it were turned around and it was Warner that was roughed, imagine the outcry if it wasn't called). Grabbing the facemask is a facemask penalty - and it's 15 yards now. The safety call was correct.


Congrats on your team winning. Santonio Holmes had two feet in and possession, it's a touchdown. If the roughing the passer was not called either way, it would not be talked about, because otherwise its a rather innocuous football play. I was under the assumption that the 5 yd facemask was GOTTEN RID OF not TURNED INTO 15 yards. Sorry about that one. Maybe I should pay more attention, my wife's always on me about that. The safety call was correct.

/Not married
//ATHF revenge of the trees anyone?
 
2009-02-02 02:52:51 AM  
i173.photobucket.com

Fark yeah Pittsburgh : D
 
2009-02-02 02:54:51 AM  

vento: D'WildcatSpeed: Would not......

Either way, you're still incorrect about the call. It was a penalty. Always has been and always will be. The only way that play might not be called is if the guy was pushed into the holder by a Steelers player. That was not the case in this instance.


It was sort of the case, he was being blocked and as a result of the block, ended up stumbling into the holder. But it doesn't really matter, field goal with, field goal without. And I said "would not" as a joke, I was hoping you'd reply with "would too" and then I could say "would not" again. Maybe I'm the only one with my sense of humor.
 
2009-02-02 02:56:07 AM  

drkdstryer: Fark yeah Pittsburgh : D


I can get behind that. Burn down Pittsburgh!
 
2009-02-02 03:05:25 AM  

Train_of_Thought: D'WildcatSpeed: The face mask on Rodgers-Cromartie was bullcrap...

He grabbed the mask, turned the head. Sorry, textbook.

Of course the roughing the passer was bullcrap..

The guy double fisted Ben in the back after he let the ball go. Had he not stiff-armed him but held his hands up and made an attempt not to hit him, it wouldn't have been a penalty.

the running into the holder was bullcrap too, he's stumbling and just happens to be going in the direction of the holder, what do you want him to do...

They want him to not hit the stationary guy who held the ball just like every other team manages to do all year long. Seriously, how many times do you ever see someone do that? He ran straight into the holder, textbook.

Also, I think it was an incomplete pass, not a fumble on the last play.

You thought wrong.


I dunno...I mean, the definition is that the arm is in forward motion, and it was, and you can't much argue that... His arm was about a quarter way through the throw.

It doesn't matter at all, considering the game is done. I still the think the Cardinals did a hell of a job, and if they didn't do the penalty dance they decided to do through the first three quarters the game would have ended differently...
 
2009-02-02 03:11:02 AM  

D'WildcatSpeed: I was under the assumption that the 5 yd facemask was GOTTEN RID OF not TURNED INTO 15 yards. Sorry about that one.


All I read there was "waaah waaaah waaaah." Watch the play again, this time without your rose-colored 3D glasses. He clearly grabs the mask and turns the head. That is a textbook 15-yard facemask penalty. I know, I know, you alone didn't see it therefore it never happened. Perhaps have your wife show you.

ignorantalmond: I dunno...I mean, the definition is that the arm is in forward motion, and it was, and you can't much argue that... His arm was about a quarter way through the throw.


Arm in forward motion WITH THE BALL. The ball was already out of hs possession.
 
2009-02-02 03:20:50 AM  

Train_of_Thought: D'WildcatSpeed: I was under the assumption that the 5 yd facemask was GOTTEN RID OF not TURNED INTO 15 yards. Sorry about that one.

All I read there was "waaah waaaah waaaah." Watch the play again, this time without your rose-colored 3D glasses. He clearly grabs the mask and turns the head. That is a textbook 15-yard facemask penalty. I know, I know, you alone didn't see it therefore it never happened. Perhaps have your wife show you.

ignorantalmond: I dunno...I mean, the definition is that the arm is in forward motion, and it was, and you can't much argue that... His arm was about a quarter way through the throw.

Arm in forward motion WITH THE BALL. The ball was already out of hs possession.


All I read there was waaah waaah waaah. I really was under that assumption. I didn't know that it was turned into 15 yards, I can't remember exactly how many times I heard announcers say during the season, "You know, there is no 5 yard face mask anymore." Shouldn't you be happy that your team won? You seem really disillusioned about it just because some people are giving their opinions about the game. And I don't have any rose-colored 3d glasses, that analogy is incorrect, rose-colored glasses means you're looking at the world(or the game, in this case)too optimistically, not with negative tones as I was. And yes, it's true, because I didn't see it, it didn't happen. And because you saw it, it DID happen. Funny how that works, huh?

/HAVE YOU SEEN MY WIFE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
 
2009-02-02 03:22:27 AM  
Umm, his head did not turn. He grabbed the mask for about 1 and half seconds, did not turn the head.

Doesnt matter in the slightest....Before the season the NFL got rid of the 5yd facemask, now they are all 15 yds....so, by your admission...it was a penalty.....end of story.

Running into the holder....

Its a penalty, just like running into the kicker. He is a kneeling, unprotected player, you cant just run him over like that (At least make an attempt to avoid him or let up).

Of course the roughing the passer was bullcrap..

Really? I could maybe agree if he hadn't blatantly put hisd forearm into it, or knocked him to the ground, or was closer than 3 steps to Roethlisberger......but it was clearly roughing.

Here is my problem.....replay sucks. Take away the red flags and either review every questionable call, or review nothing...the challenge system is seriously flawed. Also, these "experts" on ESPN and NFL network want controversy, they want people to fight and argue, because it get more people watching, calling, and posting....so of course they are going to play up anything they possibly can....the problem with this? It creates whiney biatches like some of you......Win and you can celebrate, lose and you can blame someone else. Man up, be mad your team lost, but be mad because the other team scored more points, or you made mistakes, dont be mad because there was a call that could have gone either way....or because you thought a penalty was cheap.

Hats off to both teams for playing a great/entertaining game. Props to the Steelers for #6, and props to the Cards for showing a hell of a lot more class than some of the fans posting here.

And to the idiot who ccomplains about the Steelers/Cowboys/49ers........try hiring someone competent to make football decisions...Matt Millen? Seriously?
 
2009-02-02 03:24:21 AM  
Yeah, if I'm a QB in the NFL, and I'm getting sacked and lose the ball....I throw my arm forward every time, regardless of anything.....because all that matters is your arm is moving forward and its a pass attempt. Warner got away with that the first time, but that last time they got it right, it was a fumble.
 
2009-02-02 03:32:08 AM  
Can we not just discuss some calls in the game without being called "classless"? If you call someone classless who has not called you classless, and who is not exhibiting behavior of classlessness, then that kind of makes you classless yourself. Who really knows what "classless" is anyway? It's a bit subjective, whats classless, and what's not classless. I guess we're all supposed to stop posting things on here once the game ends, because if we don't agree with a certain call, we have no "class".

/classless
//And oh, by the way? classless
 
2009-02-02 03:37:53 AM  
Its not "discussing calls....its whining like abiatch because your team lost. Wanna be upset? Be upset that your team didnt score more points.
Losers cant just say "We lost".....its always someones fault....its always someone elses fault.

Watching the post game stuff, I didnt see one Cardinal player or coach complain about the officiating....too bad you "fans" cant show that kind of class.
 
2009-02-02 03:42:58 AM  
Not my team, I'm not a Cardinals fan. Shoulda got here earlier and read my post where I said I was a Jets fan. Yes, now you have permission to berate me because I'm a fan of a team who's not as good as yours. Durr.
 
2009-02-02 03:45:50 AM  
And when my actual team does lose, which is quite often recently, I get asked questions at work like, "What happened?" and "How'd the Jets lose that one?" and I always reply, if it's appropriate, "We lost." For example, the Seahawks, 49ers, Dolphins games at the end of the year. So before you jump to conclusions and spend a whole day swimming back, you might ought to gather more information instead of just opening your mouth.
 
2009-02-02 03:47:55 AM  

nicoffeine: Great, now there's Cardinal Crybabies to go with my Seahawks Crybabies for the next however many years.


Big difference. The Seahawks had a legit gripe with officiating. The officiating was solid last night.
 
2009-02-02 03:48:29 AM  
The Jets will be fine as soon as they kick Favre to the curb, Favre might be the worst big game QB in football history.

Its not about me being a Steeler fan, I love football, but I'm just tired of every losing team sniveling about the officiating, and i love coaches like Mike Tomlin who don't tolerate it from their players.
 
2009-02-02 03:51:02 AM  
The Seahawks had a legit gripe with officiating. The officiating was solid last night.

No the Seasquawks did not have a legitimate gripe.....score more points than your opponents, and you win. Had the Steelers needed to, they could have cranked it up....but that wasnt their way, they got a lead and ran the ball all the time, grinding out the clock. A lot of Seattle whiners seem to forget that Pittsburgh drove the ball up and down the field pretty well.
 
2009-02-02 03:54:08 AM  
Also, I must say, the Cardinals should've won, not because of bad calls or anything like that, they should've won because they were up with 2 minutes to go and should've been able to stop the Steelers from scoring a touchdown. The officials did not decide the game, they had an effect on it, which all officials have on all games, but the Cardinals lost because of defensive ineptitude, not officials ineptitude. Holy crap, I was just bringing up my opinion on some of the calls that were being debated and also some calls that hadn't been debated yet. I may have said earlier that, "I wish the officials wouldn't have had such an effect on the game..." which I said without thinking before posting it. I acknowledge that error in judgement, so don't bring it up. I like to debate about calls and the like, but it's not necessary to use words like, "classless" or "whining like a biatch" or something like that. Did I insult anyone? Who's the real "classless" one?
 
2009-02-02 03:57:00 AM  
I dont agree with that either, gotta give Ben Roethlisberger a lot of credit....he had six come from behind victories in the 4th quarter or overtime this year, was money in the playoffs, and basically carried the Steelers tonight with his scrambling and passing.
 
2009-02-02 03:57:19 AM  
Favre did win a super bowl though.....he does tend to fark up when the games on the line I will admit. And yes, they should kick him to the curb. Only to clear salary cap room for some defensive free agents. Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs, Julius Peppers maybe??

/Not all of them of course
//Asking for too much
 
2009-02-02 03:59:33 AM  
classless.......is when you lose and have to find fault in someone else for your losing.......just look at plays you didnt make, or plays the other team made, and deal with losing. Its too easy today to blame everyone else, and not accept responsibility.

I think you can be classless as a winner as well, by rubbing it in like the Patriots used to, especially considering they cheated.
 
2009-02-02 04:01:54 AM  
Peppers maybe, but no way the Ravens let Scott or Suggs leave....they will let Ray Ray leave before they let their younger/better LBs leave.

Favre won a SB, yes, but if you look back, it was him that almost always cost his team in important games.....look at his last game as a Packer, he single handedly cost them a chance at the SB. And Mangina should really hate him for costing him his job this season.
 
2009-02-02 04:05:31 AM  
I'm hoping Scott and/or Suggs will want to follow Rex Ryan and Mike Pettine to the Jets. That would be awesome. If Rex Ryan wasn't the coach and Pettine wasn't the D-Coordinator, I wouldn't even think it was an option.
 
2009-02-02 04:07:37 AM  
I'm all for it, anything that makes the Ravens weaker is alright by me. Hopefully they will go to the Jets, develop a hatred for the Pats, and put bounties on them instead of the Steelers.
 
2009-02-02 04:08:32 AM  

Capper5016: ...
And to the idiot who ccomplains about the Steelers/Cowboys/49ers........try hiring someone competent to make football decisions...Matt Millen? Seriously?


I guess I'm the "idiot". hmm...sore winner much? I don't own those teams. let me see..hmm...why don't you tell mike brown of the Bengals what to do...he has enough talent on that team..but ...hmm, mike's philosophy is the the losing teams get the same pay as the winning teams, so if they don't go to the big games or not, they make the money regardless.It's only about money with him/them.
This shiat is all fixed anyway, and if you believe otherwise, your fooling yourself.
 
2009-02-02 04:11:43 AM  
also, if the cards would have no huddled that entire half, i do believe it would have been a very different score. i think they would at least scored 28 points in the second half. Pitts D sucked ASS. cards didn't capitalize on a weakened D.
 
2009-02-02 06:15:00 AM  
Sore winner?
Honestly, I could give a shiat about you or your opinion, I'm just enjoying another SB win by a classy organization. I'm just worn out on all the sour grapes. Its the media effect.....instead of focusing on the game, and what caused the win/loss....they have to focus on "controversy, because controversy keeps people talking, and keeps the interest up.
Fixed?
Yes, I'm sure the 9/11 conspirators and George Bush are completely responsible.
I will give you credit for rooting for a loser team. Most people in your position become bandwagon fans, or Patriot fans, but at least you stick by your team. Look, those teams lose because they continue to make the same poor decisions, year after year. Why are teams successful over long periods of time....because they hire smart people who make good decisions....its why the Steelers have had 3 coaches in 40 yrs.
As far as the Steeler defense sucking.....well, see the "idiot" comment. Look, the faced the #1 offense in football, and held them in check for 3 quarters. The Cards also should have had an additional turnover from that Warner "pass" where they said his arm was going forward.......so yeah....the Steeler defense sucked....bitter much, sore loser?
 
2009-02-02 06:29:35 AM  

drkdstryer: Fark yeah Pittsburgh : D


Yay, we won! Let's celebrate with wanton destruction of property and setting fires! We can be like the big ghetto cities, too!

WOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2009-02-02 06:55:05 AM  
Last play a fumble? Maybe or maybe not. What pisses me off is that it wasn't reviewed from the booth. The Super Bowl is on the line. It was close enough. Review the farking play!!!!

Roughing the holder, fine.
Safety, fine.
Roughing the passer?? That was weak. I saw players hit the QB several times the same way all night... the guy only took one step. That was weak bullshiat.
 
2009-02-02 06:59:47 AM  

Capper5016: classless.......is when you lose and have to find fault in someone else for your losing.......


Sometimes it is warranted. Regular season, Chargers vs. Broncos, when Cutler "fumbled" it. Chargers had ever right to say that game was a bunch of BS and cry foul. They deserved to win it. They DID win it. Refs stole it from them. Much like the 2007 season Raven vs. New England game. Ravens won, and the refs let some assistant couch call a TO, which an assistant doesn't have the power to do, and they gave NE a 2nd chance after they lost it on downs. It's easy to say "stop whining". But sometimes, bad calls DO happen, and they can have major consequences.
 
2009-02-02 08:17:49 AM  
D'WildcatSpeed
Will you shut up? Who's talking to you?!

\response to wife comment
\\not obscure
 
2009-02-02 08:50:00 AM  
I now know who was playing in the superbowl.
Meaningless sporting event is meaningless.
 
2009-02-02 09:23:39 AM  
Congrats Steelers. Your team is truly America's Team. Six championships? Wow.

Congrats to the Cardinals also. Your team had a gutty performance.

No excuses for the winners or the losers. Both teams came to play and gave a great performance. Shame that some of you here are whining about nonexistent holding calls, or classless this or forward throw that. Bottom line is that Pittsburgh gutted it out an Arizona's defense had the opportunity to stop them. They could not.

/not a fan of either team, but glad I watched the game
//an instant classic
 
2009-02-02 10:19:51 AM  

Capper5016: The Seahawks had a legit gripe with officiating. The officiating was solid last night.

No the Seasquawks did not have a legitimate gripe.....score more points than your opponents, and you win. Had the Steelers needed to, they could have cranked it up....but that wasnt their way, they got a lead and ran the ball all the time, grinding out the clock. A lot of Seattle whiners seem to forget that Pittsburgh drove the ball up and down the field pretty well.


Ah, there's no fail like easily refuted fail. A good warmup for Monday morning. There was Parker's 75-yard breakaway, for which Seattle indeed had no excuse, refs or otherwise. Other than that play, Pittsburgh carried the ball 32 times for 106 yards in that game, about 3.3 ypc. On the passing side, the team was a miserable 10 for 22 with 2 interceptions. They were significantly outgained in the game overall.

Now get back on the Terrible Towel- colored short bus.
 
2009-02-02 10:31:50 AM  
Super Chronic
Gladly, with out 6 championship in hand. Ah sick burn.
 
2009-02-02 10:53:35 AM  

stonicus: Last play a fumble? Maybe or maybe not. What pisses me off is that it wasn't reviewed from the booth. The Super Bowl is on the line. It was close enough. Review the farking play!!!!

Roughing the holder, fine.
Safety, fine.
Roughing the passer?? That was weak. I saw players hit the QB several times the same way all night... the guy only took one step. That was weak bullshiat.


The last Arizona play *was* reviewed. The NBC announcers said it when they came back from the commercial break. As for the ref not saying anything, they were at commercial break - I'm sure they said something, but we didn't see/hear it.

The roughing call was called because the guy took a few steps after the ball was thrown, and then fore-armed Ben in the back. That's exactly why there is roughing the passer. My contention to everyone saying it wasn't roughing is that if it were reversed, and it were Warner that got hit, you would absolutely be screaming like crazy that it wasn't called (and that the Steelers paid off the refs, etc.).
 
2009-02-02 11:43:14 AM  
vento: Well put. Arizona was hands down the best 9-7 team in the history of the NFL. That being said, the Steelers did what they had to do on both sides of the ball, especially on that last offensive drive, to win the game. Glad things ended how they did, it was eerily calm after that last Fitz TD, almost like you knew they'd score.

/GOOOO STEELERS!! WAY TO GET TO THE 6 PACK!
//Seahawks fans are still biatches. WAAHH!!! Maybe one day you'll get over it. Frankly, we'll be too busy at our SECOND Super Bowl parade to care.
 
2009-02-02 11:46:18 AM  
Make that 2nd in 3 years. Sorry, still ridin high and watching highlights, wasn't paying attn..
 
2009-02-02 11:56:18 AM  
What a game.

/GO STEELERS!
 
2009-02-02 12:08:04 PM  
Hey, Kurt....

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Where's your God now?
 
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