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(CBS News)   US Govt. will no longer use Blackwater for private security in Iraq   (cbsnews.com) divider line 183
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2009-01-30 03:49:25 PM
Does that mean no more funky Dixieland?
 
2009-01-30 03:51:07 PM
Good.
 
2009-01-30 03:55:44 PM
This is a retarded article, you have to get nearly to the bottom of the Article to ge the real story. The State dpeartment didn't DECIDE anything, the obstensibly sovereign Iraqi government Just pulled Blackwater's license to operate anywhere in the country
 
2009-01-30 04:01:03 PM
tchamber: Does that mean no more funky Dixieland?

One day I will have my revenge, and infect you with an equally virulent earworm.

/by the hand hand take me by the hand .....
 
2009-01-30 04:02:05 PM
Magorn: This is a retarded article, you have to get nearly to the bottom of the Article to ge the real story. The State dpeartment didn't DECIDE anything, the obstensibly sovereign Iraqi government Just pulled Blackwater's license to operate anywhere in the country

Exactly.

However I do fully intend to hear dittoheads whine about how "Obama is making us weaker by drawing down security for our diplomats."
 
2009-01-30 04:04:28 PM
Magorn: This is a retarded article, you have to get nearly to the bottom of the Article to ge the real story. The State dpeartment didn't DECIDE anything, the obstensibly sovereign Iraqi government Just pulled Blackwater's license to operate anywhere in the country

I assumed that was the case. But it would have made me proud if Obama cut had them off entirely. If we have to rely that heavily on mercenaries, then we are totally mismanaging our military.
 
2009-01-30 04:09:37 PM
Executives also acknowledged that losing a contract that comprises one-third of the company's annual revenues could disrupt its growth.

That's some fine execufying there Lou.
 
2009-01-30 04:11:41 PM
They'll find lots of work in Afghanistan.
 
2009-01-30 04:17:21 PM
Magorn: This is a retarded article, you have to get nearly to the bottom of the Article to ge the real story. The State dpeartment didn't DECIDE anything, the obstensibly sovereign Iraqi government Just pulled Blackwater's license to operate anywhere in the country


Third sentence:
TFA"The Blackwater contract for Iraq will not be renewed," the official said, adding, however, that it was "basically a moot point because they were not going to be allowed to operate in Iraq anyway."

True they are very long sentences.

Guess how many US VIPs lost their lives while under Blackwater protection? ZERO!
 
2009-01-30 04:17:46 PM
The deal was done in Denmark
On a dark and stormy day
and he set out for Biafra Somolia the Balkans Iraq Afghanistan
to join the bloody fray.
 
2009-01-30 04:18:43 PM
Marcus Aurelius: They'll find lots of work in Afghanistan America confiscating people's guns.

FTFM

/no I don't really think that.
 
2009-01-30 04:20:53 PM
So does this free up Blackwater to aid the DEA in raiding dispensaries in California?
 
2009-01-30 04:22:17 PM
This is good, but not good enough. Private contractors should not be in combat roles. And let's be honest with ourselves: "protecting assets" in a war zone is a combat role.
 
2009-01-30 04:23:05 PM
So basically the same people will operate, doing the same jobs just for a company that puts the kickbacks into different pockets.
 
2009-01-30 04:25:25 PM
Magorn: This is a retarded article, you have to get nearly to the bottom of the Article to ge the real story.

Hell, this is the entire second paragraph. It's explained completely directly after the opening sentence.

"The official told The Associated Press that the contract will expire because of the Iraqi government's decision to deny Blackwater a license to operate. The Iraqis informed the State Department last week of the cancellation, which was made amid lingering outrage over a September 2007 shooting in Baghdad's Nisoor Square that left 17 Iraqi civilians dead."
 
2009-01-30 04:28:42 PM
tchamber:

Does that mean no more funky Dixieland?

lolz

/+1
 
2009-01-30 04:42:42 PM
I suppose it's too much to hope that this is the first step in the eventual death of this horrid corporation. They treat their own employees like shiat and avoid accountability in ways that would make the GOP blush.
 
2009-01-30 04:51:24 PM
friendinpa: So basically the same people will operate, doing the same jobs just for a company that puts the kickbacks into different pockets.

No same pockets. What people fail to understand is there are just not that many companies out there that do what we need to do. They want to blame Bush for using Blackwater or Haliburton but who else has the abilities that these companies offer? Guess what? Bush is not the one that started the contracts!

I_Love_Verdi: This is good, but not good enough. Private contractors should not be in combat roles. And let's be honest with ourselves: "protecting assets" in a war zone is a combat role.

For every Blackwater boot on the ground one reservist gets to stay home. For every Blackwater guy getting shot at one reservist is perfectly safe. All in all I think it is a very good idea.
 
2009-01-30 04:57:16 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Guess how many US VIPs lost their lives while under Blackwater protection? ZERO!

Well, that makes everything ok. Hey, why don't you tell the families of the 17 civilians killed in Nisour square that Blackwater never let a VIP die?
 
2009-01-30 05:06:17 PM
bulldg4life: Well, that makes everything ok. Hey, why don't you tell the families of the 17 civilians killed in Nisour square that Blackwater never let a VIP die?

Maybe they should hire Blackwater. Yes/No?!?
 
2009-01-30 05:08:56 PM
Magorn: This is a retarded article, you have to get nearly to the bottom of the Article to ge the real story. The State dpeartment didn't DECIDE anything, the obstensibly sovereign Iraqi government Just pulled Blackwater's license to operate anywhere in the country



not exactly true. Blackwater hasn't had a formal license for well over a year now... yet State continued to use them anyway and they operated within the Iraqi theater. It may be a "formality" but this happened because State decided to not renew their contract with Blackwater.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Guess how many US VIPs lost their lives while under Blackwater protection? ZERO!

How many were killed while under the protection of Triple Canopy or Dyncorp?


Personally I think Blackwater can EABOD.
 
2009-01-30 05:12:37 PM
Does a private army not subject to the UCMJ that answers to one man remined you of anyone?



www.1944militaria.com
 
2009-01-30 05:49:23 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: For every Blackwater boot on the ground one reservist gets to stay home. For every Blackwater guy getting shot at one reservist is perfectly safe. All in all I think it is a very good idea.

Only a moron would defend using mercenaries that have killed probably thousands of civilians by now, considering they had no limits on their actions and were prevented from being prosecuted for anything.
 
2009-01-30 06:47:49 PM
Obvious?
 
2009-01-30 06:47:59 PM
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Will they still have pomagranates?
/Important for Needler.
//And Humanity.
 
2009-01-30 06:48:02 PM
Good.
 
2009-01-30 06:50:14 PM
tchamber: Does that mean no more funky Dixieland?

Winnar.
 
2009-01-30 06:51:33 PM
They will just hire DynCorp or Triple Canopy instead. All blackwater employees will get jobs with the new company and not much will change. They won't use US soldiers to protect state department employees because it would slow down the troop withdrawal.
 
2009-01-30 06:52:06 PM
Diogenes: If we have to rely that heavily on mercenaries, then we are totally mismanaging our military.

Diplomatic security is not the job of the military.

Blackwater is augmenting Diplomatic Security Officers, not GIs. (new window)
 
2009-01-30 06:54:47 PM
The fact that the US had their own "terrorist squads" (my label) operating in country doesn't really get my dandruff down....what outrages me is that they were "independently contracted" (the press, I think) and paid more than our Armed Services.
 
2009-01-30 06:56:00 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: For every Blackwater boot on the ground one reservist gets to stay home.

Sorry, but it's simply not the same pool of people or tasks. BW guards one thing (state dept), we guard another. Apples to oranges.

/reservist
//just did tour as security detail in Iraq
 
2009-01-30 06:56:36 PM
Personally I'm not much of a fan of Blackwater and would like to see out government distance themselves from Blackwater. Way too many questionable actions by Blackwater to have them be seen as the face of our government by these other countries.
 
2009-01-30 06:57:18 PM
You guys do realize that about five seconds after that Nisoor shooting went up on the TV at least half a dozen dictators were on the phone to see what Blackwater's pricing plan for personal protection and political opponent elimination was.

So far I think Blackwater as basically only worked for the US government, but I'm sure they have plenty of potential employers should they need the money.
 
2009-01-30 06:57:30 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: For every Blackwater boot on the ground one reservist gets to stay home. For every Blackwater guy getting shot at one reservist is perfectly safe. All in all I think it is a very good idea.

Thats a ridiculous argument.
 
2009-01-30 06:58:17 PM
Will they get a bailout? The 'conomy is rough ya know.
 
2009-01-30 06:58:21 PM
Nation building is not the job of the military either, but they have been trying to do it.
 
2009-01-30 06:58:44 PM
wingnutx: Sorry, but it's simply not the same pool of people or tasks. BW guards one thing (state dept), we guard another. Apples to oranges.

/reservist
//just did tour as security detail in Iraq


What?! You mean teh Blackwater isn't over there saving the day for you guys?

Color me shocked.
 
2009-01-30 06:59:38 PM
Obama is making us weaker by drawing down security for our diplomats.
 
2009-01-30 06:59:54 PM
CamelToe: The fact that the US had their own "terrorist squads" (my label) operating in country doesn't really get my dandruff down....what outrages me is that they were "independently contracted" (the press, I think) and paid more than our Armed Services.

Nah, it makes sense. Say I'm a Navy SEAL for four years, my contract with the USN is up. I have options such as "1. Renew contract with USN, 2. Get hired by private company that will pay me six figures a year to guard Ted Turner's car collection due to the fact I was a SEAL." Blackwater fills the roll of employing exprienced military personnel and keeping them somewhere that the US government can get its hands on them, as opposed to having them drained off to guard the privately wealthy.
 
2009-01-30 07:04:47 PM
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I swear I will kill for cash!
 
2009-01-30 07:04:51 PM
Old Blackwater keep on rollin'
 
2009-01-30 07:05:45 PM
wingnutx:

Diplomatic security is not the job of the military.


Then how come we have Marines stationed in front of all of our foreign embassies? Embassy = Dept. of State. Sounds like diplomatic security to me. And last time I checked, the Marine Corps is still considered part of the military.
 
2009-01-30 07:06:24 PM
ha-ha-guy: or four years, my contract with the USN is up. I have options such as "1. Renew contract with USN, 2. Get hired by private company that will pay me six figures a year to guard Ted Turner's car collection due to the fact I was a SEAL." Blackwater fills the roll of employing exprienced military personnel and keeping them somewhere that the US government can get its hands on them, as opposed to having them drained off to guard t

I guess if you're looking for career training, then under water demolition, covert ops, and sniping isn't something you should go into, huh?
 
2009-01-30 07:06:41 PM
So are they changing the name of the company?

/same people doing the same thing for every POTUS since Korea, doesn't matter what it's called
 
2009-01-30 07:08:42 PM
CamelToe: The fact that the US had their own "terrorist squads" (my label) operating in country doesn't really get my dandruff down....what outrages me is that they were "independently contracted" (the press, I think) and paid more than our Armed Services.

Nah, it makes sense. Say I'm a Navy SEAL for four years, my contract with the USN is up. I have options such as "1. Renew contract with USN, 2. Get hired by private company that will pay me six figures a year to guard Ted Turner's car collection due to the fact I was a SEAL." Blackwater fills the roll of employing exprienced military personnel and keeping them somewhere that the US government can get its hands on them, as opposed to having them drained off to guard the privately wealthy.


Of course it makes sense. Dollars and sense.
 
2009-01-30 07:10:02 PM
Not the same thing.

Marines guard the embassy, they do not do personal security for diplomats. A small corps of Diplomatic Security agents does that, augmented by contractors.
 
2009-01-30 07:10:45 PM
zulius: Will they still have pomagranates?
/Important for Needler.
//And Humanity.


Damn. You. Beat me to it.

Meh.

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2009-01-30 07:11:24 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: For every Blackwater boot on the ground one reservist gets to stay home. For every Blackwater guy getting shot at one reservist is perfectly safe. All in all I think it is a very good idea.

Well, get on over to Iraq and lobby their government to reinstate them.
 
2009-01-30 07:13:09 PM
Chindit: The deal was done in Denmark
On a dark and stormy day
and he set out for Biafra Somolia the Balkans Iraq Afghanistan
to join the bloody fray.


Roland FTW!
 
2009-01-30 07:13:30 PM
Another company will get the contract, a bunch of guys will velcro different patches on their hats, and business will go on as before.
 
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