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2009-01-30 01:31:38 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Her fertility doctors...[spelunkers]


Bravo. I lol'ed.
 
2009-01-30 01:33:08 PM  

AmazingRuss: I doubt it. We'll just slaughter each other by the billions, destroy our civilization, and fight over the scraps. This and disease are the only two things that manage human population.


Nah, population growth stops and goes negative as soon as you have an urbanized population and women's rights. Almost every first world nation has a native reproduction rate below replacement level, ie more people die than are born (France and the US were the exceptions holding steady last I looked).
 
2009-01-30 01:35:34 PM  

Tomass the Second: God, that's hot! Eugenics and death camps, do we get to wear kick-ass black uniforms, too??


Way what you want about the Nazis...they really rocked those leather boots.
 
2009-01-30 01:36:01 PM  

gravyhand: Where is the "Don't play God" pro-life crowd when something like this happens?


The pro-life crowd is standing by with adoption papers waiting for her to make the right choice and give the children up. Unfortunately she doesn't have a track record of making good choices, so she will keep them and the 'family' will be a drain (to put it mildly) on public resources for the next 3-4 generations.
 
2009-01-30 01:38:05 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: Tomass the Second: God, that's hot! Eugenics and death camps, do we get to wear kick-ass black uniforms, too??

Way what you want about the Nazis...they really rocked those leather boots.


You can partly thank Hugo Boss for that: Wiki (new window)
 
2009-01-30 01:39:41 PM  

luckcat: You can partly thank Hugo Boss for that: Wiki (new window)


Holy crap!
 
2009-01-30 01:40:46 PM  
from today's Washington Post: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/30/AR200​9013001019 . html?nav=hcmoduletmv)

"But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.
We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is
."

Maybe they are breeding new terrorists...
 
2009-01-30 01:41:47 PM  

fernanernie: What is birth control.


Common sense for $100, Alex.
 
2009-01-30 01:42:55 PM  
i31.photobucket.com

Can't believe I had to post this 165 comments in. You disappoint me, Farkistan.

/hot dog is hot (linked)
 
2009-01-30 01:42:57 PM  
There was a young lady
who lived in a shoe
she had so many children
her uterus fell out.

/memories...
 
2009-01-30 01:43:15 PM  
She added that her daughter expected a big challenge raising 14 children.

Understatement of the year. I love my (soon to be 3) kids, but that sounds like hell.
 
2009-01-30 01:43:40 PM  
MichB1 Whack-a-Mole: "The number of children that somebody has is not a major consideration in decisions about fertility care"

You know what, I hate what she did, she is probably mentally ill. But this statement is absolutely true, like it or not. A civilized society DOES NOT get involved in regulating procreation.

A few stark examples of lunacy should not dictate public policy.


and like it or not, the civilized society WILL end up paying for said procreation.

srsly, i was just throwing Duke under the wheels of the clowncar.
 
2009-01-30 01:43:52 PM  

sparkyfarky: We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."


Yeah...it's tough finding a huge house, Ed.
 
2009-01-30 01:44:51 PM  
Seems to be a little known fact (unless it has changed in the past six years):

California, where this woman lives, will only allow any one person/family to be on welfare for a total of five years their whole lifetime.

Exceptions are made in medical for children, but otherwise five years of tax payers' funds.
 
2009-01-30 01:46:20 PM  
www.nerdtalk.de

My god, its coming true...
 
2009-01-30 01:46:28 PM  
How in the heck does a single human being carry 8 babies at the same time to a viable point of development?
 
2009-01-30 01:47:50 PM  
Sorry, but you can count me in with the "cold heartless bastard" vote here.

You can pay for your own kids, their birth, hospital stays, education, etc., then fine, do whatever you like, I suppose.

If I could deny this biatch funding for her little crotchfruit, I'd do it so fast that I'd catch her uterus on fire.

Next time, EABOD. It's much less expensive to the rest of us.
 
2009-01-30 01:47:58 PM  

Grendl2000: Sociopathy is not an attractive quality.


Tomass the Second: God, that's hot! Eugenics and death camps, do we get to wear kick-ass black uniforms, too??


FarkinHostile: I want to make a baby with you.


Hmm. Allow me to correct myself. Sociopathy is not an attractive quality - unless you are a basement-dwelling Farkistani.
 
2009-01-30 01:48:28 PM  

spidermann: Seems to be a little known fact (unless it has changed in the past six years):

California, where this woman lives, will only allow any one person/family to be on welfare for a total of five years their whole lifetime.

Exceptions are made in medical for children, but otherwise five years of tax payers' funds.


Sounds like her father knows about some excellent earning opportunities in Iraq, maybe we could all chip in and send her and her progeny over to be closer to the family's breadwinner?
 
2009-01-30 01:49:54 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: The sad part is that since they were so premature at birth, they will probably have learning disabilities or cerebal palsay later. The brain developes last.


Single mother living with parents and 6 kids already? Mom will fit right in with the little 'tards.
 
2009-01-30 01:51:55 PM  

Tomass the Second: Sounds like her father knows about some excellent earning opportunities in Iraq,


They keep saying he's a contractor.

Hmm...Blackwater?
 
2009-01-30 01:52:13 PM  

Grendl2000:

Hmm. Allow me to correct myself. Sociopathy is not an attractive quality - unless you are a basement-dwelling Farkistani.


Sarcasm detector broken?
 
2009-01-30 01:52:29 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: kavoelker: 8 embryo's should NEVER have implanted.. if that is true...that is the doctor's fault. Plus, isn't embryo implant treatments really expensive in the first place?

1. Read cryinoutloud's post. It's not the doctor's fault. It's common practice to attempt to fertilize a large number of eggs, because there's no guarantee any one of them will take. Once fertilized, they are the woman's property, so if SHE were responsible she would have and easily could have chosen to have less than 8 kids. It's her fault.

2. However, IMO, there is no need for anyone with 6 kids to get fertility treatment. 6 is enough. You don't need more.


Well said. Once you've got the farking Brady Bunch, why have more?
 
2009-01-30 01:52:50 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: Know what God? STFU, and go stop a war or something. Stay the hell away from my gonads.


I kinda like God on my gonads. Second coming and all. What are we talking about?
 
2009-01-30 01:52:57 PM  
Grendl2000

Hmm. Allow me to correct myself. Sociopathy is not an attractive quality - unless you are a basement-dwelling Farkistani.


Sorry, I live in a beautiful loft with 2 roof decks. Amazing sun rises/sets every day.

Don't you know the saying? Crazy in the head = Crazy in the bed?
 
2009-01-30 01:53:43 PM  
Another thing....

They already have SIX children under the age of seven.

That means, right after giving birth for the sixth time in six years SHE DECIDED TO HAVE EIGHT EMBRYOS IMPLANTED!!!!

Why the hell would anyone do that?! She'd been having, on average, a kid a year for six years.

It's not like she had six kids a decade ago and hadn't been able to get pregnant since.
 
2009-01-30 01:54:23 PM  
Tomass the Second

Sarcasm detector broken?


His moral outrage alarm drowned out the buzzing.
 
2009-01-30 01:55:07 PM  

sparkyfarky: from today's Washington Post: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/30/AR200​9013001019 . html?nav=hcmoduletmv)

"But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.
We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."

Maybe they are breeding new terrorists...


My first thought is that they're starting a cult the easy way. Why go to the bother of converting people when you can start from scratch with a whole classroomful?
 
2009-01-30 01:55:51 PM  

undefgeek: I kinda like God on my gonads. Second coming and all. What are we talking about?


I have the feeling that they don't let you into churches for totally different reasons than why they don't let me into churches.

FarkinHostile: Don't you know the saying? Crazy in the head = Crazy in the bed?


That saying doesn't mention the restraining orders, though.
 
2009-01-30 01:56:52 PM  

Whack-a-Mole: "The number of children that somebody has is not a major consideration in decisions about fertility care"


Yeah but she's from Duke so she'll never get pregnant. Have to clean her chin regularly, but never pregnant.
 
2009-01-30 01:57:08 PM  

IXI Jim IXI: Tomass the Second: Sounds like her father knows about some excellent earning opportunities in Iraq,

They keep saying he's a contractor.

Hmm...Blackwater?


"The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man."

Sounds like it would be a great match. After all, he's probably used to shooting at unarmed Iraqis, so it wouldn't be like much remedial training was necessary.
 
2009-01-30 01:57:19 PM  

Grendl2000: opiumpoopy: I'd be very surprised if it was IVF; the doctor wouldn't have put in eight eggs.

Well, surprise! It was IVF, according to the grandmother. Eight eggs implanted.


According to the grandmother. If she's right, the doctor should get disciplined by the relevant medical authorities.
 
2009-01-30 01:57:25 PM  
FTA: The Los Angeles Times later carried an interview with a woman identified as the babies' grandmother, who said her daughter already had six young children and never expected the fertility treatment she had received would result in eight more babies.

Despite media questioning, the hospital has declined to say whether the mother became pregnant through fertility treatments.


Way to spill the beans, Grandma.
 
2009-01-30 01:57:38 PM  

Ecobuckeye: There's a town in New York she'd be welcome in. If not for the Iraqi part. and the unmarried part.


Watertown?
 
2009-01-30 01:57:54 PM  

hockeychick: You know what pisses me off about this? I have friends who have been trying desperately to have a baby for 5 years now. Been through all the fertility treatments and 4 rounds of IVF, at their cost because the insurance won't cover it. She worked 2 jobs just to have enough money for it. They finally got pregnant but this was the last round because their funds have run out. This farkward already has 6 and no job but still had the money to have fertility treatments and have a litter of 8.


Because of ovarian cysts that have made my fallopian tubes into spaghetti, I can't have children. I also have no way of affording treatment without refi-ing the house and maxing out the credit cards, things I refuse to do.

This disgusting situation is really pissing me off.

//Hubs and I are going to apply for adoption
 
2009-01-30 02:03:02 PM  

spidermann: Seems to be a little known fact (unless it has changed in the past six years):

California, where this woman lives, will only allow any one person/family to be on welfare for a total of five years their whole lifetime.

Exceptions are made in medical for children, but otherwise five years of tax payers' funds.


----

This limit covers only direct cash payments from the state. All of the other handouts like Medicaid, public housing, food stamps, child tax credits, supplemental security income, utility assistance, clothing assistance, et cetera continue indefinitely.

The kids' hospital stay is expected to last seven weeks and its cost to the taxpayers will be close to ten million dollars. By the time the last kid turns eighteen, the total brood will have consumed close to twenty million dollars of taxpayer money when the public school bills are included.

If someone who can't afford to have kids but has them anyway and becomes a burden to the taxpayers, then both the parent(s) and the offspring need to be sterilized. And any physician who knowingly assists irresponsible reproduction should be thrown in prison and have his license revoked.
 
2009-01-30 02:03:26 PM  

opiumpoopy: According to the grandmother. If she's right, the doctor should get disciplined by the relevant medical authorities.


Don't they usually throw in a bunch of eggs with IVF, because most of them don't take?
 
2009-01-30 02:03:30 PM  

NikkiPoooo: sparkyfarky: from today's Washington Post: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/30/AR200​9013001019 . html?nav=hcmoduletmv)

"But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.
We have a huge house, not here," said the man, who would only identify himself as Ed. "You are never going to know where it is."

Maybe they are breeding new terrorists...

My first thought is that they're starting a cult the easy way. Why go to the bother of converting people when you can start from scratch with a whole classroomful?


I still think terrorists..they're going to use them as human bombs, much easier to throw or pack into boxes.
 
2009-01-30 02:04:04 PM  
Nope. It is a clown car. vaginally located perhaps, but only by coincidence.

A clown car with revulving doors.
 
2009-01-30 02:04:06 PM  

raptusregaliter: hockeychick: You know what pisses me off about this? I have friends who have been trying desperately to have a baby for 5 years now. Been through all the fertility treatments and 4 rounds of IVF, at their cost because the insurance won't cover it. She worked 2 jobs just to have enough money for it. They finally got pregnant but this was the last round because their funds have run out. This farkward already has 6 and no job but still had the money to have fertility treatments and have a litter of 8.

Because of ovarian cysts that have made my fallopian tubes into spaghetti, I can't have children. I also have no way of affording treatment without refi-ing the house and maxing out the credit cards, things I refuse to do.

This disgusting situation is really pissing me off.

//Hubs and I are going to apply for adoption


Good luck with that.
 
2009-01-30 02:05:45 PM  

hockeychick:
Good luck with that.


Thanks. That's not a fun process either.
 
2009-01-30 02:06:42 PM  

raptusregaliter: Thanks. That's not a fun process either.


Don't mention the whole "Yeah, I'm on Fark" thing ;)
 
2009-01-30 02:06:48 PM  

MichB1: You know what, I hate what she did, she is probably mentally ill. But this statement is absolutely true, like it or not. A civilized society DOES NOT get involved in regulating procreation.

A few stark examples of lunacy should not dictate public policy.


And why the hell not? We regulate parenting, relationships, marriage, sex, chemically-enhanced recreation, and about a hojillion aspects of your personal life.... but reproduction, noooo, that's sacrosanct.

Can you give me a good reason that can't be extrapolated to every other aspect of personal life that makes reproduction so freakin' special? Do remember that we're particularly talking about a medically-assisted procedure, so "how do you stop it" is not applicable in this case.
 
2009-01-30 02:07:13 PM  

Its_A_Tarp: My god, its coming true...


Its been coming true for years man. Thats what makes that movie great. Mike Judge is a visionary.
 
2009-01-30 02:07:21 PM  

theoriginalslash: I'm not taking anything a neighbor says seriously, "neighbors" are the same people who had no idea the guy next door was burying hookers or children under his house. They are usually ill-informed and pass on nothing but worthless gossip.

But this from another article (the one someone linked to above): "They are eight wonderful, real cute, healthy babies," said Gupta, a neonatalogist. "They are premature, but they are hopefully going to do very well, and so far the progress has been very good." If they continue to improve, the babies could be sent home on a case-by-case basis in seven to 12 weeks, depending on each baby's condition, Gupta said.


So all of the babies will be in the hospital (neonatal unit, I assume) for the next two to three months. Awesome. When something like this creates such an enormous expense (which I imagine will be paid for by the state, or maybe the hospital will cut the family a deal, not sure how that works), it should be regulated. It's not the same as telling someone how many kids they can have.


Given the great publicity they are getting out of the deal, Kaiser Permanente probably will comp them.

I am guessing the hospital bill will be in the neighborhood of $2-$3 million under the current scenario.

We had twins last year, with NICU stays of 7 and 10 days, and the hospital bill was $100k.

(Taxpayers footed none of that - directly, anyway - but if any of you feel as if you missed out on an opportunity to pay, the college accounts are accepting donations.)
 
2009-01-30 02:08:07 PM  

raptusregaliter: hockeychick:
Good luck with that.

Thanks. That's not a fun process either.


Had friends go through it 2 years ago. It went well, they have a beautiful baby boy now. Hope it works out as well for you as it did for them.

And really, don't mention you're a Farker.
 
2009-01-30 02:12:10 PM  

hockeychick: And really, don't mention you're a Farker.


LOL, Gotcha.

//social workers doing home studies don't like Fark?
//haha
 
2009-01-30 02:12:14 PM  

opiumpoopy: Grendl2000: opiumpoopy: I'd be very surprised if it was IVF; the doctor wouldn't have put in eight eggs.

Well, surprise! It was IVF, according to the grandmother. Eight eggs implanted.

According to the grandmother. If she's right, the doctor should get disciplined by the relevant medical authorities.


Agreed, assuming there are any relevant authorities. I suspect it was not done in the U.S.
 
2009-01-30 02:12:37 PM  
FTFA - Although the babies' mother asked doctors to keep her details confidential, a family acquaintance gave clues to her identity to the American CBS channel.

Shortly afterwards, media camped outside a house in Whittier, near Los Angeles.


That "family acquaintance" needs to be smacked and smacked hard. "Outting" the mother was not his/her call to make and he/she isn't the one who has to deal with the media outside their house.

Here's what I'm trying to figure out - why would someone who already has six kids (and what appears to be a small home) want another one so much that they'd take fertility drugs to get it? To be fair, she probably didn't expect to get so many at once, but I'm wondering what hole in her life she thought she needed to fill with another child that the other six didn't fulfill.

I understand wanting to HAVE kids, I just can't wrap my head around wanting so MANY kids.
 
2009-01-30 02:13:16 PM  

raptusregaliter: hockeychick: You know what pisses me off about this? I have friends who have been trying desperately to have a baby for 5 years now. Been through all the fertility treatments and 4 rounds of IVF, at their cost because the insurance won't cover it. She worked 2 jobs just to have enough money for it. They finally got pregnant but this was the last round because their funds have run out. This farkward already has 6 and no job but still had the money to have fertility treatments and have a litter of 8.

Because of ovarian cysts that have made my fallopian tubes into spaghetti, I can't have children. I also have no way of affording treatment without refi-ing the house and maxing out the credit cards, things I refuse to do.

This disgusting situation is really pissing me off.

//Hubs and I are going to apply for adoption


Give it a few minutes. I'm sure after CPS shows up you can have one of the eight. You may even get yourself a 2fer1 discount.

/Seriously though, best of luck.
 
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