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2009-01-29 07:57:38 PM  
Uhhh, no Subby. Never was great. Most overrated player in the history of the league. Couldn't/can't shoot the ball outside of 10', fouls everything in sight on the O end and gets every touch foul, stands still in the lane for moments at the the time and beats the shiat out of the offense without calls. The problem, of course, is the league, who pinned their hope on the Big Awful when Jordan retired, and kind of had to go through with it when he became a hit, not matter how badly he played.
 
2009-01-29 08:18:53 PM  
shipofthesun: Uhhh, no Subby. Never was great. Most overrated player in the history of the league. Couldn't/can't shoot the ball outside of 10', fouls everything in sight on the O end and gets every touch foul, stands still in the lane for moments at the the time and beats the shiat out of the offense without calls. The problem, of course, is the league, who pinned their hope on the Big Awful when Jordan retired, and kind of had to go through with it when he became a hit, not matter how badly he played.

Twas sarcasm
 
2009-01-29 08:50:28 PM  
I shoplifted his first rap CD. I didn't think it was too bad, but then again I liked He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper by Jazzy Jeff and Fresh Prince.
 
2009-01-29 09:25:20 PM  
I loved him in Blue Chips.

/WE OWE IT TO THEM!!
 
2009-01-29 09:54:19 PM  
Can he rock?
 
2009-01-29 10:20:24 PM  
shipofthesun: Uhhh, no Subby. Never was great. Most overrated player in the history of the league. Couldn't/can't shoot the ball outside of 10', fouls everything in sight on the O end and gets every touch foul, stands still in the lane for moments at the the time and beats the shiat out of the offense without calls. The problem, of course, is the league, who pinned their hope on the Big Awful when Jordan retired, and kind of had to go through with it when he became a hit, not matter how badly he played.

f*ck that. He ain't no Kareem but to call the guy untalented w/i the free throw line??? He is an imposing and intimidating figure who is able to use his size to his advantage. It's not like he is the Kimbo slice of basketball. N*gga please.
 
2009-01-29 11:39:32 PM  
Until he oversees the release of Shaq Fu II: Champion Edition, I'm not going to care.
 
2009-01-30 12:17:12 AM  
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Until he oversees the release of Shaq Fu II: Champion Edition, I'm not going to care.

Beat me to it.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2009-01-30 12:17:35 AM  
shipofthesun: Uhhh, no Subby. Never was great. Most overrated player in the history of the league. Couldn't/can't shoot the ball outside of 10', fouls everything in sight on the O end and gets every touch foul, stands still in the lane for moments at the the time and beats the shiat out of the offense without calls. The problem, of course, is the league, who pinned their hope on the Big Awful when Jordan retired, and kind of had to go through with it when he became a hit, not matter how badly he played.

Are you serious? If you dont have to shoot the ball from far away than why would you? I really cant tell if you are serious or not. I would be interested in what guys like Tim Duncan, Ewing, Robinson, and Hakeem have to say about him.
 
2009-01-30 12:19:37 AM  
shipofthesun: Uhhh, no Subby. Never was great. Most overrated player in the history of the league. Couldn't/can't shoot the ball outside of 10', fouls everything in sight on the O end and gets every touch foul, stands still in the lane for moments at the the time and beats the shiat out of the offense without calls. The problem, of course, is the league, who pinned their hope on the Big Awful when Jordan retired, and kind of had to go through with it when he became a hit, not matter how badly he played.

2/10
 
2009-01-30 12:21:51 AM  
wholedamnshow: 2/10

Yea I had a feeling I was getting trolled but I wasnt sure. Some of these old timers have a true hatred for anything after Jordan left.
 
2009-01-30 12:25:25 AM  
Shaq is one of the greatest centers of all time. His resurgence is pretty cool, but with him, it's always been work ethic. He is not one of the hardest workers of all time. Could you imagine his numbers if he came into every year with his 1990's physique?!

trolling asshats aside, the all-star boggle of the century is David West, what is this, 2008?! I thought this was the 2009 all-star team. David West over Carmelo? That's just insane.
 
2009-01-30 12:28:31 AM  
Flavivirus: trolling asshats aside, the all-star boggle of the century is David West, what is this, 2008?! I thought this was the 2009 all-star team. David West over Carmelo? That's just insane.

Yea people love to hate Carmello. He does give people plenty of reason to hate I guess but the guy shows up to play.
 
2009-01-30 12:36:27 AM  
CAAAN YOUUU DIG IT????????
 
2009-01-30 12:43:43 AM  
Flavivirus: Shaq is one of the greatest centers of all time. His resurgence is pretty cool, but with him, it's always been work ethic. He is not one of the hardest workers of all time. Could you imagine his numbers if he came into every year with his 1990's physique?!

I think you hit the nail on the head. His problem is not necessarily a lack of talent, but a lack of fitness and work ethnic has damaged his career. Hauling his lard ass up and down the court must be absolutely fatiguing. I don't know his statistics well enough, but I have seen him miss way too many shots other players in his position, reputation, and caliber would make more often.
 
2009-01-30 12:48:52 AM  
robbiedo: I don't know his statistics well enough, but I have seen him miss way too many shots other players in his position, reputation, and caliber would make more often.

But are their any other guys who are the size of Shaq? I mean he is just huge in all respects of the word. Im not saying he shouldnt work to keep himself in the best shape possible, he should, but that has to be a difficult task.
 
2009-01-30 12:50:35 AM  
Flavivirus: Could you imagine his numbers if he came into every year with his 1990's physique?!

Generally, every player would look a lot better if they never aged.
 
2009-01-30 12:53:23 AM  
Flavivirus: Shaq is one of the greatest centers of all time. His resurgence is pretty cool, but with him, it's always been work ethic. He is not one of the hardest workers of all time. Could you imagine his numbers if he came into every year with his 1990's physique?!

It would have added at least 3 more years at top production to his career. When he started showing up to camp at 340-350 pounds you just knew there were going to be long term consequences.

I look at it this way: who was so dominant the NBA had to change the rules? 3 guys: Mikan, Chamberlain, and Shaq.

trolling asshats aside, the all-star boggle of the century is David West, what is this, 2008?! I thought this was the 2009 all-star team. David West over Carmelo? That's just insane.

It's not a good for a player's all-star hopes when they get injured in late December or January. 'Melo has been out like 10 games this last month I think, and while your home fans remember you the visitors forget. Also, this year the big story in Denver is how Chauncey Billups has turned the team around, so that could be another factor. Also, Carmelo wasn't so hot in the Olympics and that may still be in people's minds for some damn reason or another.

Al Jefferson is the tragedy this year. (new window) This dude is an all-star.
 
2009-01-30 12:55:26 AM  
bighasbeen: Al Jefferson is the tragedy this year. (new window) This dude is an all-star.

I have a warm place in my heart for Al and wish him all the luck in the world. The kid can ball.
 
2009-01-30 01:06:49 AM  
Gunny Highway: bighasbeen: Al Jefferson is the tragedy this year. (new window) This dude is an all-star.

I have a warm place in my heart for Al and wish him all the luck in the world. The kid can ball.


I liked Al Jefferson the moment I heard him comment on his contract (5yrs/65m):

Before signing the $65 million deal, Jefferson's agent told Al that he could get him a max contract (as much as $20-$30 million per season) if Jefferson opted to go for restricted free agency at the end of the year. However, Al Jefferson does not believe that those projections, nor his previous performance, warrant a max deal saying, "I didn't even think I was worth max (money) this year anyway."

What 22 year old pro athlete does that!? And there was this:

"If you get [my contract] done or it don't get done, I'm still going to go out and be a beast," he said. "It's not something I go home and think about every day."

What's not to love? Any low post player who is a legitimate "beast" already gets 5 points in my book, but when you throw in the work ethic, on court demeanor and everything else it puts him into my top 5 guys not on my team.
 
2009-01-30 01:07:01 AM  
Gunny Highway: robbiedo: I don't know his statistics well enough, but I have seen him miss way too many shots other players in his position, reputation, and caliber would make more often.

But are their any other guys who are the size of Shaq? I mean he is just huge in all respects of the word. Im not saying he shouldnt work to keep himself in the best shape possible, he should, but that has to be a difficult task.


I suspect that it must be incredibly tough to deal with the stress on human joints and connective tissues that are operating at the extreme of there genetic limits. I wonder how difficult that factors in maintaining professional caliber basketball conditioning. I can't begin to know.

All I know is what I see on television, and the occasional expensive trip to Staples Center.
 
2009-01-30 01:17:38 AM  
bighasbeen:
I look at it this way: who was so dominant the NBA had to change the rules? 3 guys: Mikan, Chamberlain, and Shaq.


I looked, but rule did shaq change? Here are the three i Knew.
Link (new window)
 
2009-01-30 01:17:53 AM  
bighasbeen: Before signing the $65 million deal, Jefferson's agent told Al that he could get him a max contract (as much as $20-$30 million per season) if Jefferson opted to go for restricted free agency at the end of the year. However, Al Jefferson does not believe that those projections, nor his previous performance, warrant a max deal saying, "I didn't even think I was worth max (money) this year anyway."

That is awesome. I remember my buddies and I being real excited about him when he was with the Celts. I wouldnt want it back to the way it was but I was really sad to see Al go. I agree he is one of my top 5 non team guys too.

robbiedo: All I know is what I see on television, and the occasional expensive trip to Staples Center.

I cant argue with you then. I have always considered Shaq a big game guy. Now that may be because his teams won 3 titles in a row (despite some questionable refereeing) but he seemed to play best when it mattered. This could be crap though I wasnt near as into the NBA when i was a teenager as I am now.

Anyone watch the Suns v Spurs game? Pretty fun stuff but I have kind of come to expect that out of these two teams.
 
2009-01-30 01:23:07 AM  
That whole statement better be true.

You don't fark around talking about Kazaam 2.
 
2009-01-30 01:24:34 AM  
cinterclawz: bighasbeen:
I look at it this way: who was so dominant the NBA had to change the rules? 3 guys: Mikan, Chamberlain, and Shaq.


I looked, but rule did shaq change? Here are the three i Knew.
Link (new window)


i mean what rule did shaq change

/inb4, "i accidentally the whole thing"
 
2009-01-30 01:39:49 AM  
cinterclawz: cinterclawz: bighasbeen:
I look at it this way: who was so dominant the NBA had to change the rules? 3 guys: Mikan, Chamberlain, and Shaq.


I looked, but rule did shaq change? Here are the three i Knew.
Link (new window)

/inb4, "i accidentally the whole thing"


Didn't they change the illegal defense rule so Shaq could be double teamed away from the ball? Did the defensive 3-in-the-key come around while he was at his prime? But I don't think they were really aimed directly at him, they certainly affected him more than any other player as the NBA aimed for more fluidity in games. Also, the NBA always came down on Shaq a lot harder for his post moves.

You're right, though. They didn't actually change any rules for him, but they were enforced differently it seemed.
 
2009-01-30 01:51:56 AM  
I love the whole "Shaq can't hit a shot outside of ten feet' arguement. Yeah In all the game highlights of Wilt Chamberlian i see him burrying 20 foot jumpers. Shaq is one of the great centers of all time. were he is on that list i guess is personal prefernce. However you cannot put him ahead of Olajuwon....what te dream did to him in the Finals is what nightmares are made of
 
2009-01-30 01:59:38 AM  
Kenthehillwilliam: I love the whole "Shaq can't hit a shot outside of ten feet' arguement. Yeah In all the game highlights of Wilt Chamberlian i see him burrying 20 foot jumpers. Shaq is one of the great centers of all time. were he is on that list i guess is personal prefernce. However you cannot put him ahead of Olajuwon....what te dream did to him in the Finals is what nightmares are made of

yes and no.. one thing he did tonight was pass hakeem on the all time points list.. hes 7th now i believe and has a solid chance of passing up the next few guys this year. one thing is for certain, shaq doesnt get over 10th all time in scoring by being overrated
 
2009-01-30 02:00:38 AM  
Kenthehillwilliam: owever you cannot put him ahead of Olajuwon

Says Kenny Smith. Your vote doesnt count, you are far too connected to the issue.
 
2009-01-30 02:08:21 AM  
bighasbeen: You're right, though. They didn't actually change any rules for him, but they were enforced differently it seemed.

wasn't try to call you. i was unsure and curious. the final verdict is that there were no changes?
 
2009-01-30 02:29:44 AM  
Kenthehillwilliam: what te dream did to him in the Finals is what nightmares are made of

I always like to compare 10 year vets to third year raw players, and then say that the 10 year vet is forever better based on how he beat the third year player that one year.
 
2009-01-30 02:52:37 AM  
bighasbeen: I look at it this way: who was so dominant the NBA had to change the rules? 3 guys: Mikan, Chamberlain, and Shaq.

Also (Sir) Charles Barkley - the 5-second back-to-the-basket rule was primarily because of him. Commentators often call it "the Charles Barkley rule"
 
2009-01-30 03:13:43 AM  
jaylectricity: Can he rock?

you be the judge of that. i personally think this is a classic.

Link (new window)
 
2009-01-30 03:20:48 AM  
And-1: Commentators often call it "the Charles Barkley rule"

"often" is quite an overstatement.
 
2009-01-30 03:47:31 AM  
shaqtus
 
2009-01-30 05:15:02 AM  
IAmRight: "often" is quite an overstatement.

Well, as a proportion of how often they mention it at all, it isn't.
 
2009-01-30 07:13:15 AM  
Dome: shaqtus

That ad makes me laugh every time i see it.
 
2009-01-30 08:54:41 AM  
robbiedo: but I have seen him miss way too many shots other players in his position, reputation, and caliber would make more often.

Except, you know, that he's second in the league in field goal percentage and that he has lead the NBA in field goal percetntage nine times, a record that he shares with Wilt Chamberlain. But, whatever, you've seen him miss a lot of shots.
 
2009-01-30 09:12:24 AM  
Kenthehillwilliam: I love the whole "Shaq can't hit a shot outside of ten feet' arguement. Yeah In all the game highlights of Wilt Chamberlian i see him burrying 20 foot jumpers. Shaq is one of the great centers of all time. were he is on that list i guess is personal prefernce. However you cannot put him ahead of Olajuwon....what te dream did to him in the Finals is what nightmares are made of

Bob Cousy was overrated! How often did you see him banging down low, posting up?
 
2009-01-30 11:20:33 AM  
And-1: Well, as a proportion of how often they mention it at all, it isn't.

Perhaps. I'm just saying I watch a few dozen games a year and I haven't seen it mentioned once.

/still don't like what Kerr/Sarver did to the Suns by getting him
 
2009-01-30 11:35:19 AM  
cinterclawz: bighasbeen: You're right, though. They didn't actually change any rules for him, but they were enforced differently it seemed.

wasn't try to call you. i was unsure and curious. the final verdict is that there were no changes?


Yeah, final verdict is "no changes". And when I'm demonstrably wrong I don't get upset when challenged. Every once in a while I get pissy when it's something subjective but generally I like being confronted with counter claims. The internet would be boring if people didn't disagree. Especially in basketball threads around here from which I learn a lot.
 
2009-01-30 12:05:24 PM  
Really? That guy can't even run!
 
2009-01-30 12:38:26 PM  
Gunny Highway I have a warm place in my heart for Al and wish him all the luck in the world. The kid can ball.

Agreed. I loved watching him play for the Celtics during a time when there was no other reason to watch them. Good to see him play well at Minnesota, and the Timberwolves have been playing well lately. I'd like to see them slip into the playoffs, but I won't put any money on it.

I was also hoping Paul Millsap made the team, though I knew it wasn't likely. And good for the East for picking Danny Granger. I still hate it that he didn't get past Indiana.
 
2009-01-30 12:59:57 PM  
Shaq may be many things but overrated he is not. He is/was the most dominant player of his generation.
 
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