if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his some peasant's brain

fixed that for you

Bukharin: submitter: if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his brain drive through their farmer's market be retired in Miami

This Che thread will be different from the others.

Not ironic. The t-shirts could've been made under the enlightened dictatorship of the proletariat.

I'm going to buy a Che t-shirt just to piss off people who get butthurt over Che t-shirts.

OlafTheBent: albo: if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his some peasant's brain

fixed that for you

peasants?

I thought he was a Communist. Don't Pinko's kill the rich?

When I visited Cuba last May, I remember remarking to my wife; "I wonder how Che would feel about all these Tee-shirts, coffee mugs and pens with his face on them?"

The rich usually flee or adapt. It's always the workers and intellectuals who end up enslaved and oppressed.

I bought my friend a shoddily-made Che wallet at a festival a few years ago. The irony was too great to pass up.

Sarcastica75: Over in one. I consider myself pretty far left on the spectrum of political viewpoints, and while I admit reading and enjoying the "Motorcycle Diaries", I still didn't lose sight of the fact that Che is no hero and no legend and should not be adulated as such. I've never understood the worship.

Well, hero is a word with weird connotation. A lot of people seem to think you can't be a hero and sociopathic bastard at the same time. I don't think that's necessarily true.

Che is like the communist JFK. He had a pretty face, he was intelligent, active, and he died young before he could become something like Castro or Stalin, stuffy old ugly bastards who could never let go of the wish to relive the "glory days" of their revolution.

He definitely wasn't a good person, but hero? I think that's a far more complex judgment. I don't think he's worthy of the hype and respect he gets (and I'm practically a socialist and sometimes don't mind a bit of totalitarian leftist fantasy), though.

Wendy's Chili: I'm going to buy a Che t-shirt just to piss off people who get butthurt over Che t-shirts.

Me too. I think I'll get two of them. I generally think commies suck and I've never thought much about the guy... but I think it's freakin' hilarious that he gets people so spitting mad. Like all the past movies about historical figures were accurate or even-handed.

Ok, I'm off to a civil war reenactment - I'll be acting the part of a treasonous rebel soldier who treated his slaves quite well and did not have syphilis.

Wendy's Chili: I'm going to buy a Che t-shirt just to piss off people who get butthurt over Che t-shirts.

Yeah, I think that's why most people do it. It's like LeVay Satanist philosophy applied to politics.

/LeVay style Satanist don't actually believe in the Devil, but he called the philosophy "satanism" because he saw it as directly in opposition to Christian philosophy
//Similarly, the Che t-shirt types don't really believe in Che's ideals, he's just a mascot meant to cause outrage

The only 'Che' shirt that matters.

Link is hot ... but nevermind.

lordargent: The only 'Che' shirt that matters.

damn...dat girl fine.

/yeah..I said "dat", you wanna fight about it?

One thing I hadn't noticed in all other "Che" articles or movie descriptions, its all in farking Spanish? So I have to sit there and read for over 4 hours? Yeah, I don't think I'll be seeing this.

I've seen plenty of sub-titled movies and I've seen many long movies, I just don't think I'd be able to combine the two.

This was from a Skype conversation about the Che screening I attended in San Francisco:

Minnie Lau says: So that Che screening was met with anti-commie leaflets passed outside the theater, different pace & tone between the 1st & 2nd films, & obligatory douches who, at the Q&A prefaced their questions with "As a cinematographer myself..." or "As an artist myself..."

Benjamin XXXXX says: owe my god that is funny

Benjamin XXXXX says: I'm forwarding this to Kasey

Minnie Lau says: He didn't say it, but I think Soderbergh has a low tolerance for stupid questions. One woman asked where they went to shoot. His response was "Um..It's in the program!"

Minnie Lau says: The interesting part was that the second film, the Bolivia section felt quite laborious, sort of like the overly drawn out scenes in The Thin Red Line.

Benjamin XXXXX says: I've only watched the first 15 of that movie so far

Minnie Lau says: Oh, and the Bolivia section was the initial film plan, but Del Toro & Soderbergh agreed that the Cuba section needed to show where Che 'came from'.

Benjamin XXXXX says: that is nice and absurd

Minnie Lau says: In planning that, they said they were running the risk of wanting to do other part of his life, so they had to put a stop to all the planning and just film the damn thing.

Benjamin XXXXX says: What they didn't cover his time in the Congo? I feel cheated

Minnie Lau says: Heh.

Minnie Lau says: And the artist woman who hogged some of the Q&A time thanked him for his "Don't forget the artists" Oscar acceptance speech for Traffic. He explained that he was just too wasted to read off a list of people who helped him.

Minnie Lau says: Wasted b/c he thought, like the media, that his Traffic & Brockvich nods would cancel him out.

Benjamin XXXXX says: Ohh. San francisco

Benjamin XXXXX says: I'm now glad I didn't go. I think I would have been embarrassed all over. Like watching the office or three's company

Minnie Lau says: Haha. Well, that type of screening would attract Academy of Art types.

Minnie Lau says: Some questions about film stock & shiat.

Minnie Lau says: The two ladies beside me were so excited, but treating the experience as some sort of novelty, that they never get to see "international movies" enough, and that they should do it more often. They left in the middle of the 2nd film.

Mr. Slippyfist: One thing I hadn't noticed in all other "Che" articles or movie descriptions, its all in farking Spanish? So I have to sit there and read for over 4 hours? Yeah, I don't think I'll be seeing this.



A four hour biopic in Spanish? That's genius!

rise up, Fark Independents! it's a Che thread!

BunkoSquad: submitter: if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his brain the needle on the record

PUT THE NEEDLE ON THE RECORD WHEN THE DRUM BEATS GO LIKE THIS!

if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his some peasant's brain some imperialist deserter.

if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his brain a little love in your heart.

wait, a bullet through *who's* brain? Che's own? Soderbergh? The t-shirt wearer? Or D) All of the above?

If Guevara was alive, he'd be dead by now.

The only 'Che(r)' shirt that matters...

If Che were alive, he'd be trying to claw his way out of his coffin, but failing because he has no hands.

Wendy's Chili: I'm going to buy a Che t-shirt just to piss off people who get butthurt over Che t-shirts.

This. I didn't use to care about Che, but watching the freepers work themselves into a frothing mass at the thought of finally having something they can pin on the dirty liberals free and clear is just too entertaining. I hope kids keep buying into the whole 'icon of rebellion' thing for years. The combined mental masturbation of angry Fark Independents on this one subject outwieghs democrats wasting time mocking pageboy farking senators, jokes about Palin's kids, and recycled Reagan alzhiemers jokes combined.

Sarcastica75: Over in one. I consider myself pretty far left on the spectrum of political viewpoints, and while I admit reading and enjoying the "Motorcycle Diaries", I still didn't lose sight of the fact that Che is no hero and no legend and should not be adulated as such. I've never understood the worship.

meh every culture does it, we have George Washington, who murdered a sect of Indians.

i'd want to see this, but dang, 4 hours???! I mean, Return of the King was only 3 hours, and that had like monsters and battles and shiat.

Mr. Slippyfist: One thing I hadn't noticed in all other "Che" articles or movie descriptions, its all in farking Spanish? So I have to sit there and read for over 4 hours? Yeah, I don't think I'll be seeing this.

I've seen plenty of sub-titled movies and I've seen many long movies, I just don't think I'd be able to combine the two.

Wuxia is not for you then.

if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his brain the lime in the coconut and drink them both together.

This thread has been Rotskied.

Sarcastica75: Over in one. I consider myself pretty far left on the spectrum of political viewpoints, and while I admit reading and enjoying the "Motorcycle Diaries", I still didn't lose sight of the fact that Che is no hero and no legend and should not be adulated as such. I've never understood the worship.

You don't understand the beauty and awe of a middle-class child who learns to become a healer and sees that in reality what the world needs is a leader to heal all of us? What is there not to see?

albo: if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his some peasant's brain

fixed that for you

This you sad troglodytes

lazyminnie:

That's awesome. I would have loved to have been there.

SeismicJizzer: meh every culture does it, we have George Washington, who murdered a sect of Indians.

Do you have a link for this? I don't know a lot about American history but am interested to know more.

"It's a lot to ask of someone to throw away an entire day," Soderbergh says. "But we're making a demand on the audience very similar to the demands Che made on the people around him."

Soderbergh is going to force us to watch the movie under penalty of death?

if Guevara was alive, he'd most likely put a bullet through his brain.
But he'd be only killing a man

Why don't these retards just move to Cuba or Venezuela and live the "communist dream". Oh wait it sucks balls in those countries.

This is the only "Marxist" shirt I would ever wear:

It's fun being at a law school that is on the same campus as the under grad section of the university.

Under grad college students, with a few exceptions, no matter what their side or party affiliation, are idiots. The university paper is a hoot to read, especially the editorials. Mindless drivel never tried so hard to sound so intelligent.