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2009-01-28 11:31:31 AM  
Forecaster18: Want. (new window)

Neck-down? Sure... what a body! I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating organic, vegan crackers either way.
 
2009-01-28 11:32:18 AM  
Joce678: sparkyfarky: Joce678: oakleyblades: How many endurance/strength athletes do you know who are Vegetarians?

There's quite a few actually. They eat eggs/dairy.

Eggs are unborn baby chickens!!!!

Well, yeah ... but it's pretty hard to make an egg suffer.


Oh really...have you ever thought of the suffering felt by the hen when her eggs are snatched from her, never knowing where they will end up? Tis better not to know that they will be put in cold cartons only to end up beaten, boiled, fried, and sometimes eaten raw,....do we know if they are suffering if they have no voices?
Suffering succotash, I need some scrambled eggs and lamb chops!
 
2009-01-28 11:34:22 AM  
Sticky Hands: Based on the experiences that people I know have had, there are NOT in fact millions of orphans available for adoption in the USA. Which is why some many people travel out of the country to adopt children (especially toddlers and infants).

I've seen some of the "product" moved by Chinese adoption agencies. My parents neighbors got (surprise) a deformed (cleft lip) baby, then an (surprise!) HIV-positive child, and the third one has (surprise!) autism. International adoption seems like a scam... they're certainly taking my brother and his wife for a ride.
 
2009-01-28 11:43:36 AM  
sparkyfarky: Joce678: sparkyfarky: Joce678: oakleyblades: How many endurance/strength athletes do you know who are Vegetarians?

There's quite a few actually. They eat eggs/dairy.

Eggs are unborn baby chickens!!!!

Well, yeah ... but it's pretty hard to make an egg suffer.

Oh really...have you ever thought of the suffering felt by the hen when her eggs are snatched from her, never knowing where they will end up? Tis better not to know that they will be put in cold cartons only to end up beaten, boiled, fried, and sometimes eaten raw,....do we know if they are suffering if they have no voices?
Suffering succotash, I need some scrambled eggs and lamb chops!


I agree.. we should release all captive chickens back into the wild so they no longer know the suffering imposed on them from humans.


/cayotes will eat good for a while
//but hey, WE didnt kill them.
 
2009-01-28 11:44:43 AM  
 
2009-01-28 11:44:49 AM  
factoryconnection: Sticky Hands: Based on the experiences that people I know have had, there are NOT in fact millions of orphans available for adoption in the USA. Which is why some many people travel out of the country to adopt children (especially toddlers and infants).

I've seen some of the "product" moved by Chinese adoption agencies. My parents neighbors got (surprise) a deformed (cleft lip) baby, then an (surprise!) HIV-positive child, and the third one has (surprise!) autism. International adoption seems like a scam... they're certainly taking my brother and his wife for a ride.


I'm not terribly surprised by that, who would give away a perfectly healthy infant? Especially now that China has loosened the 1 child policy for rural families (allowing a second child if the first is a girl) and added in sweeteners (extra pension benefits) to families that have girls.

Sounds like the choices there are becoming like the choices here, but at least here you know (or should be told) before hand if the baby you are adopting is coming pre-addicted.
 
2009-01-28 11:46:02 AM  
Listen PETA:

THINGS EAT OTHER THINGS, GET OVER IT.
 
2009-01-28 11:49:26 AM  
Sticky Hands: Sounds like the choices there are becoming like the choices here, but at least here you know (or should be told) before hand if the baby you are adopting is coming pre-addicted.

Actually, I might be wrong on one of those cited ailments; heroin addiction may have been the problem instead of autism. Either way: those adoption agencies are sharks in bureaucrat's clothing.

Wait, am I threadjacking? Whoops... I'd like to third the motion to see the "studies" mentioned by Peta. Crazy girls are better in bed, but most crazy girls aren't vegans... Correlation does not imply causation.
 
2009-01-28 12:02:55 PM  
factoryconnection: Mr_Fabulous: EXCUSE ME, FARKETTES (AND ANY GAY FARKERS): Does semen actually taste different after someone's eaten asparagus? Or anything else, for that matter?

Inquiring minds want to know.

My old girlfriend could tell when I'd consumed Sprite; I didn't drink it often. Being outside of your specified polling group, I can't offer first-hand knowledge.


Beer affects the taste, so says my wife, and not for the better, alas. Of course, she doesn't like beer, maybe that has something to do with it.
 
2009-01-28 12:03:27 PM  
Mr_Fabulous: Soracloud: I'll eat 10 servings of Asparagus then blow my load in some PETA girls mouth. Then she'll change her tune.

You've just raised an interesting question that I'd never considered before.

EXCUSE ME, FARKETTES (AND ANY GAY FARKERS): Does semen actually taste different after someone's eaten asparagus? Or anything else, for that matter?

Inquiring minds want to know.


I don't know,... but it would sure make it a LOT better if it tasted like strawberries or peaches!!! (which keeps this right on the vegan topic..)
 
2009-01-28 12:04:40 PM  
What_do_you_want_now: "Without meat, said Milton, it's unlikely that proto humans could have secured enough energy and nutrition from the plants available in their African environment at that time to evolve into the active, sociable, intelligent creatures they became. Receding forests would have deprived them of the more nutritious leaves and fruits that forest-dwelling primates survive on, said Milton." (new window)

You must have missed the part where I said "massive amounts." Meat was eaten, but not to the levels that we eat it today.
 
2009-01-28 12:10:46 PM  
sparkyfarky: Mr_Fabulous: Soracloud: I'll eat 10 servings of Asparagus then blow my load in some PETA girls mouth. Then she'll change her tune.

You've just raised an interesting question that I'd never considered before.

EXCUSE ME, FARKETTES (AND ANY GAY FARKERS): Does semen actually taste different after someone's eaten asparagus? Or anything else, for that matter?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I don't know,... but it would sure make it a LOT better if it tasted like strawberries or peaches!!! (which keeps this right on the vegan topic..)


I have been informed by a few ladies that pineapple makes it better.
 
2009-01-28 12:13:48 PM  
wealsoran.com
/can't believe it hasn't been done yet.
 
2009-01-28 12:15:32 PM  
Smarshmallow: You must have missed the part where I said "massive amounts." Meat was eaten, but not to the levels that we eat it today.

Meat was also preferred to the extent that folks would engage in incredibly risky behaviors to obtain meat (hunting of large herbivores with tusks, horns, and whatnot). It wasn't eaten in large amounts because it was more difficult to obtain. As it becomes easier and easier to obtain, it becomes a more and more regular part of our diet. Massive is a bad word to use here as it's not quantified, but the simple point is that, in an evolutionary sense, meat is a "must have". Yes - it is possible to live a potentially healthy life on an all vegetarian diet (vegan becomes somewhat doubtful), but it's much easier to do so on a balanced diet that includes all different sorts of foods.
 
2009-01-28 12:17:38 PM  
What does PETA actually do to help animals?
 
2009-01-28 12:20:07 PM  
Fether: I fight for my beliefs--it's called the military.

And yet it offends you when others do the same. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not suggesting that the military is the only way to fight for one's beliefs.

Fether: I think it should be noted that hunters contribute more time and money to conservation* efforts than any other demographic** (I'm personally a member of, and volunteer for, Ducks Unlimited the Nature Conservancy) . So continue on snarking, I applaud you for the judgement call without taking 3 seconds to have some humor and judging me by a picture instantly.

I have no problem with hunters, never said that I did. I have a problem with people who post stupid pictures. I took more than three seconds, and the picture was still stupid. It was stupid the first hundred times that I saw it and similar pictures as well.

Fether: *This is a key word because organizations like DU or Pheasants Forever are about promoting sustainable use of resources and their protection whereas groups like PETA advocate for 'no use.' The inherent problem being that we as a society/species have already tipped the ecological balance off the scale and without human involvement the results could be even more catastrophic.

I agree hunters are necessary in some areas. That doesn't make your picture clever.

Fether: Additionally, most PETA groups don't use their money to help the animals they cherish so much as to pay off legal fees for their demonstrations or to fund advertisements like the one shown here. Face it, they use the money to help their consciences more than ever to help the animals themselves.

Their goal is to raise awareness, that's what they put their money towards.
 
2009-01-28 12:20:50 PM  
Fether: I fight for my beliefs--it's called the military.

And yet it offends you when others do the same. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're not suggesting that the military is the only way to fight for one's beliefs.

Fether: I think it should be noted that hunters contribute more time and money to conservation* efforts than any other demographic** (I'm personally a member of, and volunteer for, Ducks Unlimited the Nature Conservancy) . So continue on snarking, I applaud you for the judgement call without taking 3 seconds to have some humor and judging me by a picture instantly.

I have no problem with hunters, never said that I did. I have a problem with people who post stupid pictures. I took more than three seconds, and the picture was still stupid. It was stupid the first hundred times that I saw it and similar pictures as well.

Fether: *This is a key word because organizations like DU or Pheasants Forever are about promoting sustainable use of resources and their protection whereas groups like PETA advocate for 'no use.' The inherent problem being that we as a society/species have already tipped the ecological balance off the scale and without human involvement the results could be even more catastrophic.

I agree hunters are necessary in some areas. That doesn't make your picture clever.

Fether: Additionally, most PETA groups don't use their money to help the animals they cherish so much as to pay off legal fees for their demonstrations or to fund advertisements like the one shown here. Face it, they use the money to help their consciences more than ever to help the animals themselves.

Their goal is to raise awareness, that's what they put their money towards.
 
2009-01-28 12:20:55 PM  
Most meat freaks are fat.

Not a vegetarian, but it's true. Most meat, wild or raised, does not make you strong, or masculine, or lean. It just gives you more cholesterol. You'll get plenty of protein. Besides, most ground venison lovers add beef suet into their 'lean' meat anyway.

Haven't seen too many instances of malnutrition in the U.S. hunting population. After all, hunt gear is some of the only sports clothing that's regularly sold in XXL, XXXL, and even XXXXL sizes. 54-inch-waist anyone?

And if you hunters wanna get in touch with your primitive roots, try leaving the Quadrunner, deer stand, night vision, two-way radios, trail timers and automatic feeders out of the equation. Then I'd consider respecting your hunter/gatherer tradition.

/Cue the barstool archeologists.
 
2009-01-28 12:21:47 PM  
aresef: Multi-Vitamin: mofomisfit: oakleyblades
How many endurance/strength athletes do you know who are Vegetarians?

That answer is not a lot because the human body can't sustain muscle mass and health without massive quantities of protein.

Human=Omnivore

Eat what you want.

Oh bullshiat. Plenty of vegetarians are healthy, and there's a gulf of difference between 'healthy' and 'endurance/strength athlete.'

Vegetarians perhaps, but there is a good reason why children should not be feed a vegan diet....so it would stand to reason that if it is clearly unhealthly for an infant, it "should" be unhealthly for optimum growth and development of children, teens, and adutls.

Vegan Couple Kills Infant with Diet (new window)

I remember that story. Those vegans were doing it wrong. Soy milk and apple juice? Come the hell on.

I wasn't raised vegetarian--I made the switch a few years ago--so I can't say about whether or not it's more beneficial to raise kids one way or the other. But I found that I had a lot more energy and I felt a lot better once I stopped putting meat in my body. Sure, this is pretty anecdotal, but seriously, give vegetarianism a shot. You might start liking tofu.


No thanks, I prefer to keep my testes and my thyroid operating properly.

Soy Decreases Testosterone and Negatively Affects the Thyroid (new window)
 
2009-01-28 12:23:17 PM  
ronaprhys: Meat was also preferred to the extent that folks would engage in incredibly risky behaviors to obtain meat (hunting of large herbivores with tusks, horns, and whatnot). It wasn't eaten in large amounts because it was more difficult to obtain. As it becomes easier and easier to obtain, it becomes a more and more regular part of our diet. Massive is a bad word to use here as it's not quantified, but the simple point is that, in an evolutionary sense, meat is a "must have". Yes - it is possible to live a potentially healthy life on an all vegetarian diet (vegan becomes somewhat doubtful), but it's much easier to do so on a balanced diet that includes all different sorts of foods.

I didn't say that it wasn't desirable or a good source of calories. I also didn't say anything about why it wasn't eaten. I just said that it wasn't eaten in huge quantities like it is today.

Go back, read the comment that I was replying to, and try to understand my original intent before responding to something that I didn't say.
 
2009-01-28 12:24:58 PM  
Silly_Sot: If they can, why do they have to be such monumental screaming douchebags about their little "vegetarian" cult?

Well, most vegetarians do, but as for peta, they think that it's akin to murder. If you saw widespread murder, you'd probably say something too.
 
2009-01-28 12:33:26 PM  
Smarshmallow: I didn't say that it wasn't desirable or a good source of calories. I also didn't say anything about why it wasn't eaten. I just said that it wasn't eaten in huge quantities like it is today.

Go back, read the comment that I was replying to, and try to understand my original intent before responding to something that I didn't say.


Depends on the culture, the colder cultures (Inuit, Mongolian) would consider our diets low in meat. However, an air conditioned office probably doesn't create the same nutritional demands as the tundra or the steppe.
 
2009-01-28 12:34:22 PM  
Too bad the stupid twats w/all the plastic surgery conveniently forgot that all the procedures, prosthetic devices, and drugs they use were developed using animals.

If they really mean what they say, they'd renounce anesthesia and pain killers, for a start.
 
2009-01-28 12:34:34 PM  
Smarshmallow: I didn't say that it wasn't desirable or a good source of calories. I also didn't say anything about why it wasn't eaten. I just said that it wasn't eaten in huge quantities like it is today.

Go back, read the comment that I was replying to, and try to understand my original intent before responding to something that I didn't say.


I addressed that in my reply - starting with the word massive. I also went a step further in the argument. I understood your point rather easily, in fact. From there, however, I moved on to another point. You may wish to address that, you may not - your choice.
 
2009-01-28 12:39:30 PM  
pharkqueue: Too bad the stupid twats w/all the plastic surgery conveniently forgot that all the procedures, prosthetic devices, and drugs they use were developed using animals.

If they really mean what they say, they'd renounce anesthesia and pain killers, for a start.


Pain killers are still killers.

// And no need to renounce Anesthesia, the Boshivicks took care of her for us
 
2009-01-28 12:40:03 PM  
Dragynwing:
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Who paints those crazy PETA chicks like tigers? How much does the job pay, and where do I apply?
 
2009-01-28 12:42:48 PM  
peta.org(asm)?
 
2009-01-28 12:48:27 PM  
atlas spanked: Most meat freaks are fat.

Not a vegetarian, but it's true. Most meat, wild or raised, does not make you strong, or masculine, or lean. It just gives you more cholesterol. You'll get plenty of protein. Besides, most ground venison lovers add beef suet into their 'lean' meat anyway.

Haven't seen too many instances of malnutrition in the U.S. hunting population. After all, hunt gear is some of the only sports clothing that's regularly sold in XXL, XXXL, and even XXXXL sizes. 54-inch-waist anyone?

And if you hunters wanna get in touch with your primitive roots, try leaving the Quadrunner, deer stand, night vision, two-way radios, trail timers and automatic feeders out of the equation. Then I'd consider respecting your hunter/gatherer tradition.

/Cue the barstool archeologists.


I love posts like this! It is so smug and so devoid of anything that remotely smacks of fact that it causes the most hard core vegan to want to bite the head off a bat and spit it at you.

"After all, hunt gear is some of the only sports clothing that's regularly sold in XXL, XXXL, and even XXXXL sizes. 54-inch-waist anyone?"

What the fark does this even mean? Anyway, the golf, bowling, boating, fishing, football, etc industries would like a word with you.

I'm going to go eat veal for lunch! Thanks guys!
 
2009-01-28 12:50:52 PM  
My own personal observation about vegetarians. Seems that all of the ones I know of (i.e, the outspoken ones) all smoke. I have never understood this. They talk about how meat is bad for you and vegetables are better, then light up a cig.

One in particular who "never eats anything with a face" is fat and has leather purses and coats.

It seems a lot of them are like Catholics I used to know. Only practiced what was convenient.
 
2009-01-28 12:54:28 PM  
catchow: "Mine's bigger."

"What?"

"My cucumber. It's bigger."


I think vegetables can be very sensuous, don't you?
 
2009-01-28 12:58:07 PM  
From now on you have to call the "pigskin" a "mudskipper".

Yes, I know they haven't made them from pig's skin in years but it's demeaning to our four-footed overlords even if it isn't made from them.

Watch this youtube video (new window)and as each fish appears say "Hello, kitten! What's knittin'?" See how long you can keep that up.

If you don't have the bandwidth (or simply hate videos), here's a site with pictures (new window). "Hello, kitten! What's knittin'?"

You may think: but these are sea monsters. The fish that we eat aren't nearly as obnoxious. Wrong.

They just give them pretty names. Patagonian tooth fish becomes "sea bass" and so forth. Even dolphin (the mammal, not the fish of the same name, but then probably the fish as well) is sold under a false name.

You may think: but PETA is just pulling the same crap that industry is pulling. Yes, yes they are. They're engaging in doublespeak and doublethink to push an agenda and a product.

We shouldn't be eating some species, especially those at the top of the food chain, which have more mercury and are endangered by our predilection for big, easy-to-catch fish with lots of fat.

We certainly shouldn't be "fishing to the bottom", which is what we have done for the last century or two. 95% of the fishstocks are depleted--at least the top predator and browser species which have traditionally been the most valued (we're just starting on many species of "junkfish").

But PETA are just BS artists who damage sometimes valid causes with rubbish rhetoric and emotive campaigns that have nothing to do with anything.

By the by, reading John Hodgman's More Information Than You Need last night, I came across a portrait of the "real" chicken of the sea: the Great Auk. Sad but true. If you could raise tuna in farms they wouldn't be fished to death. But fish farming is an environmental nightmare for the most part.

All "animal lovers" (as opposed to environmentalists, conservationists, etc.) seem to accept the idea that Man is not an animal like the others and that consequently we should not, like all other predators and omnivors (and a surprising number of opportunistic herbivores) kill and eat other animals.

Tell it to the wolf, the killer whale and the shark, baby seal lovers.

It's a pity that we've exterminated so many predators, but having done so, it's up to us to do their ecological job.

And we do it very badly.

Instead of culling the weak, the old, the young and stupid, and the sick, we cull the biggest and the best, in the prime of their breeding period.

A female cod who weighs 15 pounds will produce three times as many eggs as a younger and lighter cod of five pounds and her eggs will be more likely to survive also. Which do we catch? Big Mama!

There's no place in Nature for bourgeois sentimentality or human greed and stupidity. We've broken our code (as they say in SF circles) but we haven't figured out how not to rampage ignorantly and destructively through our life support systems yet.

I wish I could get a nice t-shirt made up with the slogan "Save a tuna--eat a lamb!." and a couple of nice woodcuts.

If we're not careful the only surviving species will be vermin and cutsie-whutsey animals like the pestiferous house cat. Even if they survive us and grow to the size of lions, tigers, bears, whales, sharks, etc., they'll be no substitute for natural predators we are losing. And almost every species that thrives under (Wo)Man's Dominion is as destructive as the Mistress/Master of Creation Her/Himself.

Cats, goats, dogs, pigs, cattle, horses, sheep, rats, mice, rabbits, gerbils, etc.--they've all devastated ecosystems as much or more than the humans who introduced them.

If it's cute it's a menace.
 
2009-01-28 12:59:48 PM  
Marla Singer's Laundry: I'll say it. I love steak, whether it comes from Flossie or from your trousers.

I'll out-f*** any Mary Moon hairy-pitted sag-titted bride of the forest ANY. DAY. OF. THE. YEAR!!!!

This is Marla talkin'


yep, there's nothing like some

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in the morning...
 
2009-01-28 01:05:24 PM  
Long ago, when desktop publishing was a new concept I typed up people's resumes at Kinko's. For an administrative assistant position, one woman hand wrote "Delivered messages to 125 people". It was only after she proofed and took home her copies of the resume that I realized I had typed "Delivered massages to 125 people".

/it passed spell check
//still wondering if that helped her get a job
///not sure why this story reminded me of that but glad it did
 
2009-01-28 01:20:39 PM  
Oh_Enough_Already:
Christ, I mean the Masai go out an kill lions, mano-a-lion, with a spear.

That's HUNTING.

Being flown by helicopter to some "preserve" and shooting a bear with a three thousand dollar scoped rifle from 500 yards out doesn't exactly impress me.


Good thing I plan my leisure activities according to what I enjoy and not what impresses you.
 
2009-01-28 01:29:49 PM  
HAI GUYZ

I AM R AMERICUN

I eat lots of meat and cheeseburger. I eat and eat and eat.

Moar steak and potatoes.

Goes in my big belly. I wear size 42 trousers. HAHAHA I'm a big dog.

I shoot things with my gun POW POW POW

I EAT AND POOP AND SHOOT POW POW

I make big dookies I'M PROUD BIG BOY
 
2009-01-28 01:32:36 PM  
latentnyc: Good plan - make a superbowl commercial, make it so it will clearly be rejected, get the buzz, save what, three million dollars?

Not bad.


That's what I was thinking. I've already watched their ad now.

/still a carnivore though
 
2009-01-28 01:36:06 PM  
Fist time I watched it I swore it said "Go Vag"
but then the third fourtha nd seventy second time I watched it I realised it said "Go Veg".

/I look forward to the mistakes girls make and take the opportunity to "explore" a little.
 
2009-01-28 01:39:45 PM  
DaShredda - just feeling lazy today? I know you can troll better than that.

Besides, are you really going to give up Genos or Pats Philly Cheese Steaks?
 
2009-01-28 01:41:38 PM  
Rodddxl: Oh_Enough_Already:
Christ, I mean the Masai go out an kill lions, mano-a-lion, with a spear.

That's HUNTING.

Being flown by helicopter to some "preserve" and shooting a bear with a three thousand dollar scoped rifle from 500 yards out doesn't exactly impress me.

Good thing I plan my leisure activities according to what I enjoy and not what impresses you.


There is a happy medium. Very few people can make a 500yd shot...go try it.

Kill it, clean it, cut it, cook it, eat it. It's a rewarding feeling; when you know exactly where the meat is from and how it was prepared.

Also, it's one life...vs. 100,000+ insects who get mowed up when the Soy field they call home is harvested.

/Fair chase!
//former Army sniper.
 
2009-01-28 02:00:58 PM  
HRMMMMMM MEAT DROOLOMNOMNOMNOM
 
2009-01-28 02:17:32 PM  
This tread reminds me that I have some Seal Flippers I brought back from Newfoundland sitting in my deep freezer.

Mmmmmmmmmm... seal flipper pie.
 
2009-01-28 02:17:52 PM  
First off, this is NOT a bookmark for after work browsing...

Secondly, how can a prefectly good "too sexy for TV" thread get all jacked up into a meat vs. straw thread?

Oh well, March 14th is coming soon.....
 
2009-01-28 02:23:39 PM  
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2009-01-28 02:57:40 PM  
Multi-Vitamin: Grass Hopper: El Dudereno: YannickNoahsFark: Pro Zack: YannickNoahsFark:

If you think you need an agricultural revolution to have a fully vegetarian diet, that man's gorilla would like a word with you.

The gorillas vs humans comparison is like comparing a avacado to a grapefruit.

Two totally separate species, different muscle fiber makeup, different digestive biology, totally different evolutionary branch.

Most if not all anthropologists theorize that our ancestors development of advanced brain function was directly related to our increased consumption of protein.

Since there was no agriculture back then, I can only assume that anthropologists are referring to MEAT.

I was simply pointing out that you don't need an advanced society to have a vegetarian diet - every herbivore manages quite nicely

As for the anthropologists: So those animals that eat much more protein than we do should have really really advanced brains by now...

However, I'm not arguing for a vegetarian diet for everyone. I simply object to slippery logic.
 
2009-01-28 02:57:44 PM  
Where did I put that steak?
 
2009-01-28 02:59:16 PM  
Grass Hopper: Multi-Vitamin: Grass Hopper: El Dudereno: YannickNoahsFark: Pro Zack: YannickNoahsFark:

If you think you need an agricultural revolution to have a fully vegetarian diet, that man's gorilla would like a word with you.

The gorillas vs humans comparison is like comparing a avacado to a grapefruit.

Two totally separate species, different muscle fiber makeup, different digestive biology, totally different evolutionary branch.

Most if not all anthropologists theorize that our ancestors development of advanced brain function was directly related to our increased consumption of protein.

Since there was no agriculture back then, I can only assume that anthropologists are referring to MEAT.


I was simply pointing out that you don't need an advanced society to have a vegetarian diet - every herbivore manages quite nicely

As for the anthropologists: So those animals that eat much more protein than we do should have really really advanced brains by now...

However, I'm not arguing for a vegetarian diet for everyone. I simply object to slippery logic

Wow, really went nuts on the italics. Sorry FTFM
 
2009-01-28 03:00:04 PM  
Oh on that note, I am going to be eating some chicken wings for Superbowl Sunday that were ripped from chickens while they are still alive. But not to worry, they will regrow new wings in a week or two as that is usually the case.
 
2009-01-28 03:06:00 PM  
El Dudereno: Grass Hopper: El Dudereno: YannickNoahsFark: Pro Zack: YannickNoahsFark: I mean gorillas get to be a pretty good size and strength without meat, don't they?

fortunately they don't have to support brains the size of ours.

So we need meat to think? I think Einstein would disgree with you...(yes, he was veg)

No, we needed meat to evolve the type of brain that would allow us to start the agricultural revolution that made fully vegetarian diets possible for humans. The killing and eating of large, fatty animals (usually by a group of humans) allowed our ancestors to get a lot of energy for relatively little effort, and allowed them to form settlements which evolved into agricultural societies.
But don't let that get in the way of anecdotal evidence.

If you think you need an agricultural revolution to have a fully vegetarian diet, that man's gorilla would like a word with you.

That man's gorilla has evolved a digestive system that can process fibrous fruits and other plant matter that would go right through our systems unchanged. Eating animal flesh (especially after the discovery of fire) allowed us to evolve to expend less energy digesting food and more energy in our brains.

/*tips hat to the gorilla*


All that says is that "we evolved" to be meat eaters by eating meat. Presumably if we hadn't, we would have "evolved" the other way.

And we may expend less energy digesting. I'm pretty sure you expend more energy hunting down an animal than a banana.
 
2009-01-28 03:21:23 PM  
atlas spanked: Besides, most ground venison lovers add beef suet into their 'lean' meat anyway.

Suet is a terrible thing to add to venison. The people I know who add in fat use bacon. Otherwise, the meat won't stay together well in a patty.
I usually make a pound or two of ground venison with bacon, but leave it out of the rest.
 
2009-01-28 03:32:05 PM  
Grass Hopper: All that says is that "we evolved" to be meat eaters by eating meat. Presumably if we hadn't, we would have "evolved" the other way.

And we may expend less energy digesting. I'm pretty sure you expend more energy hunting down an animal than a banana.


We evolved to be omnivores because early humans needed a lot of calories to run their ever-larger brains.
You may expend more energy hunting down a mammoth than a banana, but the reward is many times larger in terms of calories. A mammoth could feed a village for a month. A banana could feed the guy who helped herd it into a canyon and drop a big rock on its head long enough to do so.
Meat was probably a feast or famine deal to early humans. Either they were able to procure it, or they had to go out and gather a lot of nuts, berries, and fruit. Keep in mind that a lot of the fruits and vegetables we know and love weren't around until they were cultivated over thousands of generations into their current forms. Potatoes are a great example.
 
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