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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   First look at comic prequel/sequel to upcoming "Star Trek" prequel/sequel   (aintitcool.com) divider line 45
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2009-01-27 10:09:05 AM  
You know what the Star Trek Universe needs? More time travel. It worked out so well for Enterprise.
 
2009-01-27 11:01:46 AM  
A galaxy-gobbling event that works backwards through time?

Where have I seen mention of a plot like that before?
 
2009-01-27 11:35:42 AM  
I saw a preview of the film at The Day the Earth Stood Still. Outside of the young Kirk scene, it actually looked really good.
 
2009-01-27 12:04:57 PM  
DarthBrooks: A galaxy-gobbling event that works backwards through time?

Where have I seen mention of a plot like that before?


Well, you misunderstood: the galaxy-gobbler is what prompts Nero to go back in time separately, and creates the new timeline. It's not the Nexus.

(frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together).
 
2009-01-27 12:08:56 PM  
How about letting the franchise rest for a while before they decide to bring it back and fill it full of suck?
 
2009-01-27 12:23:13 PM  
GurneyHalleck: How about letting the franchise rest for a while before they decide to bring it back and fill it full of suck?

It's 2009. The last "Trek" movie was released what? Nearly a decade ago? "Lord of the Rings" was just gearing up.

How long do you want it to rest? Until you're a very old man?
 
2009-01-27 12:25:27 PM  
Confabulat: The last "Trek" movie was released what? Nearly a decade ago? "Lord of the Rings" was just gearing up.

Nemesis was like 2006.
 
2009-01-27 12:25:46 PM  
Wait, I know, we should wait twenty years to restart Trek.

Look how well that worked for Star Wars and Indy Jones.

/just go with it, idiots
 
2009-01-27 12:27:16 PM  
GAT_00: Nemesis was like 2006.

2002.

The new movie will be the first "Trek" in almost seven years. Over half a decade, and ironically the traditional "seven year" length of most of the series.
 
2009-01-27 12:44:55 PM  
mattharvest: Well, you misunderstood: the galaxy-gobbler is what prompts Nero to go back in time separately, and creates the new timeline. It's not the Nexus.

(frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together).


Google "All Good Things..."
 
2009-01-27 12:47:53 PM  
Not gonna read... spoiler gonna get me
Not gonna read... spoiler gonna get me


/Not gonna read... spoiler gonna get me
 
2009-01-27 12:52:40 PM  
ThatGuyGreg: Not gonna read... spoiler gonna get me
Not gonna read... spoiler gonna get me


/Not gonna read... spoiler gonna get me



The Shat makes a cameo in the last scene!
 
2009-01-27 12:52:56 PM  
Confabulat: 2002.

Well I'll be damned. I could have sworn it came out a lot sooner than that.
 
2009-01-27 12:59:01 PM  
The invisitext spoiler was pretty awesome news.
 
2009-01-27 01:00:32 PM  
I know Star Trek and time travel go together like peanut butter and bananas, but damnit, I hate bananas.
 
2009-01-27 01:02:50 PM  
Invisitext spoiler goes against what happened in the last movie.

He's dead Jim.
 
2009-01-27 01:09:22 PM  
alaric3: Invisitext spoiler goes against what happened in the last movie.

He's dead Jim.


If they're geeking out with Remans, I'm guessing they'll have an explanation for that one.
 
2009-01-27 01:53:03 PM  
Confabulat
alaric3: Invisitext spoiler goes against what happened in the last movie.

He's dead Jim.

If they're geeking out with Remans, I'm guessing they'll have an explanation for that one.


But they left themselves an out in Nemesis, with B-4 surviving, so it could be a "Look, the memory download took!" Still, at least it's not contradicting the novel continuity.

/reading A Singular Destiny
 
2009-01-27 02:06:31 PM  
DarthBrooks: (frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together)


Oh God. Talk about plot holes.

"I'm in this Nexus thing and I can go anywhere and anywhen I want to. Should I go back to the point where I first met the bad guy and simply have my boys throw him in the brig? No!"
 
2009-01-27 02:10:09 PM  
Mugato
DarthBrooks: (frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together)


Oh God. Talk about plot holes.

"I'm in this Nexus thing and I can go anywhere and anywhen I want to. Should I go back to the point where I first met the bad guy and simply have my boys throw him in the brig? No!"


I think it was Greg Cox's Q Continuum trilogy that saw Q playing with a cosmic string and shoot it off like a rubber band, which became The Nexus. I thought it was a perfect explanation for such a ludicrous plot device.
 
2009-01-27 02:14:27 PM  
Mugato: DarthBrooks: (frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together)


Oh God. Talk about plot holes.

"I'm in this Nexus thing and I can go anywhere and anywhen I want to. Should I go back to the point where I first met the bad guy and simply have my boys throw him in the brig? No!"


Well that would have been about as cool as Darth Vader realizing he was torturing his own daughter in Star Wars.

/Just sayin'
 
2009-01-27 02:17:41 PM  
Mugato: DarthBrooks: (frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together)


Oh God. Talk about plot holes.


Hey, don't tie me into what mattharvest said with a quote! Those are his words, not mine.

The Nexus was a story problem that *never* should have entered the plot.
 
2009-01-27 02:17:56 PM  
How is that a "first look" when I and thousands of others have had that comic since last week?
 
2009-01-27 02:23:14 PM  
::SPOILER::

I never though Data would remain dead. Even if B4 hadn't shown the possibility of using Data's backup memory, Jordi simply would not let Data's life end. I always thought it would've been great if Jordi resigned from Starfleet after Nemesis, took B4 and spent years (maybe decades) designing a new positronic brain based on his knowledge of Data, B4 and his own research.
 
2009-01-27 02:31:55 PM  
DarthBrooks
Mugato: DarthBrooks: (frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together)


Oh God. Talk about plot holes.

Hey, don't tie me into what mattharvest said with a quote! Those are his words, not mine.

The Nexus was a story problem that *never* should have entered the plot.


All these years, everyone's biatching about "Kirk vs. Picard." If you look at their "perfect" lives depicted in Generations, Kirk is an Iowa farmer who raises horses and Picard is a father with a bunch of French-British (Fretish?) kids leading a droll, Dickensenian life.
What that translates to is (A) they're both lame, (B) Sisko is the better captain, and (C) never let Troi take the helm.
 
2009-01-27 02:39:41 PM  
Free Radical: Well that would have been about as cool as Darth Vader realizing he was torturing his own daughter in Star Wars.

/Just sayin'


What does one have to do with the other? Vader didn't know Leais was his daughter.
 
2009-01-27 02:56:34 PM  
It would be awesome if Nero turned out to be the good guy after all.
 
2009-01-27 02:58:55 PM  
Give me Star Trek Missions:

A show centered on Star Fleet HQ, where the eps begin and end. Each episode is about a different team/crew (some/most crews would be recurring). They get a mission and go do it. It may or may not resolve in one ep.

Instead of having one crew, you can have many. Bring in movie/tv stars to be a part of this or that crew. You can kill characters with less worry. Hell, you could kill an entire crew.

Bring in section 31 from time to time. Bring in old crews if you like.

Story arcs move through the scenes at HQ. The opening might be a debate in the Federation to allow this or that to happen. Then Star Fleet gets their orders, some admiral contacts Captain T'Pango to check into it. He relays a report, the Federation votes Yes on whatever it was.
 
2009-01-27 03:02:44 PM  
Sybarite: You know what the Star Trek Universe needs? More time travel. It worked out so well for Enterprise.

Agreed.

This is looking less like reboot, and more like train wreck. If it takes a comic to justify the movie plot, how the hell does it work on it's own and create a franchise people want to see more of?
 
2009-01-27 03:24:29 PM  
Italian David Messina is the artist, and proves adept at capturing a very old Leonard Nimoy and very hot young Romulan women; I encourage Trekkies and Trekkers of all stripes to seek this publication out

I have never thought to comment on a comic artists ability to draw checks, let alone use that as a reason to recommend a comic to a friend.

This is just . . . so . . . dimly-lit basement creepy
 
2009-01-27 03:29:35 PM  
The English Major
DarthBrooks
Mugato: DarthBrooks: (frankly, I think they should have brought back the Nexus, it'd have been appropriate to tie the films together)


Oh God. Talk about plot holes.

Hey, don't tie me into what mattharvest said with a quote! Those are his words, not mine.

The Nexus was a story problem that *never* should have entered the plot.

All these years, everyone's biatching about "Kirk vs. Picard." If you look at their "perfect" lives depicted in Generations, Kirk is an Iowa farmer who raises horses and Picard is a father with a bunch of French-British (Fretish?) kids leading a droll, Dickensenian life.
What that translates to is (A) they're both lame, (B) Sisko is the better captain, and (C) never let Troi take the helm.


Sisko is so awesome that he's a better captain even when he's still a commander.
 
2009-01-27 03:43:42 PM  
GungFu:
The Shat makes a cameo in the last scene!


Hope he's not playing the cook. Again.
 
2009-01-27 03:44:25 PM  
mofomisfit

Sisko is so awesome that he's a better captain even when he's still a commander.

Yes, he was quite...divine.
 
2009-01-27 03:54:55 PM  
The English Major: mofomisfit

Sisko is so awesome that he's a better captain even when he's still a commander.

Yes, he was quite...divine.


B O O
 
2009-01-27 03:57:06 PM  
braedan
The English Major: mofomisfit

Sisko is so awesome that he's a better captain even when he's still a commander.

Yes, he was quite...divine.

B O O


Well, Step Three is prophet.
 
2009-01-27 04:08:06 PM  
This is just going to suck and that is all there is to it. Why, why, why not just reboot and let yourself be completely free of anything that sucks the first go around?

I don't understand what they are trying to achieve. The first stills filled me with hope and now every little spoiler that comes out about the plot fills me with disappointment.

and here is the thing. I am not one of those guys that hates on sequels and new series and what not. Enterprise started out promising and got lost. The other three (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) were all okay at least if not all spectacular, I didn't hate the Star Wars sequels, but this is going to suck on the level of Steve Martin as the Pink Panther. It is painful cause at no point does the plot seem like a good idea. You know what seems like a good idea, "Let's recast the crew of the original enterpise and just start over, so we don't have to keep one-upping the previous production with new tech and lore and can just get back to basic storytelling.
 
2009-01-27 04:09:56 PM  
trakstar

This is just going to suck and that is all there is to it. Why, why, why not just reboot and let yourself be completely free of anything that sucks the first go around?

I don't understand what they are trying to achieve. The first stills filled me with hope and now every little spoiler that comes out about the plot fills me with disappointment.

and here is the thing. I am not one of those guys that hates on sequels and new series and what not. Enterprise started out promising and got lost. The other three (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) were all okay at least if not all spectacular, I didn't hate the Star Wars sequels, but this is going to suck on the level of Steve Martin as the Pink Panther. It is painful cause at no point does the plot seem like a good idea. You know what seems like a good idea, "Let's recast the crew of the original enterpise and just start over, so we don't have to keep one-upping the previous production with new tech and lore and can just get back to basic storytelling.


Amen.

But I'll still watch it. And buy the special edition DVD. And read the novelization if they do one (haven't seen any info from Pocket...)
 
2009-01-27 04:15:46 PM  
trakstar: This is just going to suck and that is all there is to it. Why, why, why not just reboot and let yourself be completely free of anything that sucks the first go around?

I don't understand what they are trying to achieve. The first stills filled me with hope and now every little spoiler that comes out about the plot fills me with disappointment.

and here is the thing. I am not one of those guys that hates on sequels and new series and what not. Enterprise started out promising and got lost. The other three (TNG, DS9 and Voyager) were all okay at least if not all spectacular, I didn't hate the Star Wars sequels, but this is going to suck on the level of Steve Martin as the Pink Panther. It is painful cause at no point does the plot seem like a good idea. You know what seems like a good idea, "Let's recast the crew of the original enterpise and just start over, so we don't have to keep one-upping the previous production with new tech and lore and can just get back to basic storytelling.


Pretty much.

they needed to BSG treks ass, only focus on humanity is constantly struggling to better itself and learn.

Basically the bookends of TNG, but more serious and done in a way to make it more believable.

ST used to be about this human drama, but as the methods that we tell story's have evolved and matured, trek methods have stayed behind in the 80's.
 
2009-01-27 04:22:11 PM  
braedan: Jordi

LOL
 
2009-01-27 04:27:51 PM  
The English Major: braedan
The English Major: mofomisfit

Sisko is so awesome that he's a better captain even when he's still a commander.

Yes, he was quite...divine.

B O O

Well, Step Three is prophet.


Sir, mark my words. You will be held accountable for your crimes against comedy.
 
2009-01-27 04:34:19 PM  
Mugato: Free Radical: Well that would have been about as cool as Darth Vader realizing he was torturing his own daughter in Star Wars.

/Just sayin'

What does one have to do with the other? Vader didn't know Leais was his daughter.


yeah well that is because when Lucas wrote "a new hope", Lucas had no farking clue that she was Vader's daughter. I don't care what that farker says.
 
2009-01-27 05:40:43 PM  
frepnog
Mugato: Free Radical: Well that would have been about as cool as Darth Vader realizing he was torturing his own daughter in Star Wars.

/Just sayin'

What does one have to do with the other? Vader didn't know Leais was his daughter.

yeah well that is because when Lucas wrote "a new hope", Lucas had no farking clue that she was Vader's daughter. I don't care what that farker says.


Aw, come on, I thought he planned that incestual romance.
 
2009-01-27 07:33:00 PM  
apeiron242: Give me Star Trek Missions:

A show centered on Star Fleet HQ, where the eps begin and end. Each episode is about a different team/crew (some/most crews would be recurring). They get a mission and go do it. It may or may not resolve in one ep.

Instead of having one crew, you can have many. Bring in movie/tv stars to be a part of this or that crew. You can kill characters with less worry. Hell, you could kill an entire crew.

Bring in section 31 from time to time. Bring in old crews if you like.

Story arcs move through the scenes at HQ. The opening might be a debate in the Federation to allow this or that to happen. Then Star Fleet gets their orders, some admiral contacts Captain T'Pango to check into it. He relays a report, the Federation votes Yes on whatever it was.


THIS.
 
2009-01-27 11:43:18 PM  
The essence of Star Trek seems to be lost. TNG had it, DS9 had it in an alternate way, and after that, it all went down hill.

Frankly, I think the special effects are what killed Star Trek. As the space battles got more impressive, the writing went down hill. Special effects are supposed to support the story, not be the story.

The best way to reboot the franchise, is to do it with a limited special effects budget.
 
2009-01-28 12:18:57 AM  
braedan: ::SPOILER::

I never though Data would remain dead. Even if B4 hadn't shown the possibility of using Data's backup memory, Jordi simply would not let Data's life end. I always thought it would've been great if Jordi resigned from Starfleet after Nemesis, took B4 and spent years (maybe decades) designing a new positronic brain based on his knowledge of Data, B4 and his own research.


Lore should still be in storage somewhere. He could be reassembled and formatted then ghost Data's disk image from B4's memory. The emotion chip was destroyed with Data so he'd be his old unemotional self.

I don't see why they can't build new androids. Dr Soong built Data 30 years before he joined Starfleet. The android technology is 50 years old by now. Constructing the EMH and holodecks that spontaneously generate sentient holograms are easy but rebuilding a 50 year old robot is too hard for Starfleet engineering.
 
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