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2009-01-23 03:50:38 PM
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2009-01-23 04:32:57 PM
Nope, on the relative coolness scale the original Macs win hands down. Being able to do WYSIWYG page layout and drag & drop was absolutely stunning in 1985 when the closest competition was MS-DOS & TRS-80's.
 
2009-01-23 04:45:15 PM
my first mac was in 1988. a macintosh SE. it had 40 Megs of RAM and cost $3,500 with a student discount! i sure played a lot of wizardry, dark castle and prince of persia on that machine.
 
2009-01-23 05:12:43 PM
When I bought my first computer (not a Mac) RAM was $100.00 per megabyte. Yes, MEGAbyte. My motherboard had a maximum capacity of a rockin', ass-kicking 4 megs, so it cost me $400 to max it out.

A gigabyte in those days (although no computer could accommodate such a massive amount) would have cost $100K and the chips alone would have filled a suitcase. And that was less than 20 years ago.

Those were the days.

I don't even want to admit how much I paid for my first 150 MB hard drive.
 
2009-01-23 05:23:21 PM
FlashHarry: my first mac was in 1988. a macintosh SE. it had 40 Megs of RAM

Good God!! My first computer was an IBM PS/1 that had 2 MBs of RAM. It had 40 MBs of HDD, and I used it all to play X-Wing.
 
2009-01-23 05:23:35 PM
FlashHarry: my first mac was in 1988. a macintosh SE. it had 40 Megs of RAM and cost $3,500 with a student discount! i sure played a lot of wizardry, dark castle and prince of persia on that machine.

I call shenannigans, cause you cant game on a mac

/right click hur hur
 
2009-01-23 05:24:00 PM
Epsilon: When I bought my first computer (not a Mac) RAM was $100.00 per megabyte. Yes, MEGAbyte. My motherboard had a maximum capacity of a rockin', ass-kicking 4 megs, so it cost me $400 to max it out.

A gigabyte in those days (although no computer could accommodate such a massive amount) would have cost $100K and the chips alone would have filled a suitcase. And that was less than 20 years ago.

Those were the days.

I don't even want to admit how much I paid for my first 150 MB hard drive.


My VIC-20 -- originally $100 per kilobyte.

/Lawn, off, etc.
 
2009-01-23 05:24:42 PM
Macs: Creating easy computers for dumb people for 25 years.
 
2009-01-23 05:25:51 PM
Plus, the new ones actually have eject buttons.
 
2009-01-23 05:27:59 PM
iluvgirlswithglasses: Plus, the new ones actually have eject buttons.

Why did I suddenly get the image in my head of some yuppie hipster type person leaning forward to push a button on his mac and suddenly being shot through the roof by an ejector seat?

/Is it 5:00 yet?
 
2009-01-23 05:29:12 PM
BlorfMaster: Macs: Creating easy computers for dumb people for 25 years.

I like to think of them more as training wheels. When you get to where you can wear the big boy pants, then it's PC time.
 
2009-01-23 05:29:33 PM
iluvgirlswithglasses: Plus, the new ones actually have eject buttons.

Man, I hated it when that damn Zork disc got stuck in the drive on my 128K Mac and I didn't know you could just hold down the mouse button while turning on the computer to eject the disc.

I tried a butter knife. I tried tweezers.

Then I looked in the book and figured out what that little hole was for.
 
2009-01-23 05:30:25 PM
Interestingly, I have a 1984 Mac boxed up in the garage. Someone ruined its collectible value by doing the 512K upgrade. Obviously, I doubt that was a consideration at the time.

I was using it as a clock for a while. I was just running a screen saver program. That's about all that is possible.

Personally, if I ran into another SE/30 with Ethernet, that would be worthwhile.
 
2009-01-23 05:31:17 PM
iluvgirlswithglasses: Plus, the new ones actually have eject buttons.

Don't know how many times I had to borrow a paperclip at school, because all they had were macs and my disk was stuck. The software eject never seemed to work.

/The paperclip would soon turn into a rubber band launcher and get taken from me
 
2009-01-23 05:34:11 PM
I remember playing with my first one in a college bookstore. Honestly, they were pretty weak till the SE (1987) and the internal hard drive. DOS, you could do a lot from floppy-only. Apple II, as well. Early Mac? Spent more darned time swapping disks than doing anything else.
 
2009-01-23 05:35:01 PM
My first PC was a custom-built 386 with 6 mb of RAM and a 10 MB HD.

My first (and last) Mac was an LC with 256 color graphics and a external CD.
 
2009-01-23 05:35:06 PM
Back before OOP and cheap memory made every application a bloated pig.
 
2009-01-23 05:36:03 PM
FlashHarry: my first mac was in 1988. a macintosh SE. it had 40 Megs of RAM and cost $3,500 with a student discount! i sure played a lot of wizardry, dark castle and prince of persia on that machine.


Um. No. Few if any home systems back then could handle more than 4 megs, much less 40.
 
2009-01-23 05:38:48 PM
FlashHarry: my first mac was in 1988. a macintosh SE. it had 40 Megs of RAM and cost $3,500 with a student discount! i sure played a lot of wizardry, dark castle and prince of persia on that machine.

40 megs of RAM? 40 meg hard drive, maybe.
 
2009-01-23 05:39:21 PM
Prysm: BlorfMaster: Macs: Creating easy computers for dumb people for 25 years.

I like to think of them more as training wheels. When you get to where you can wear the big boy pants, then it's PCTerminal.app. time.
 
2009-01-23 05:39:52 PM
The dark ages:

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Using those in high school I swore I'd never buy a Mac. OS X, Boot Camp and some major redesigns changes all that. Of course they lured me in with the iPod first.
 
2009-01-23 05:42:48 PM
FlashHarry: my first mac was in 1988. a macintosh SE. it had 40 Megs of RAM

Were you smoking a lot of weed at the time?
 
2009-01-23 05:43:46 PM
Cyborg77: The dark ages:



Using those in high school I swore I'd never buy a Mac. OS X, Boot Camp and some major redesigns changes all that. Of course they lured me in with the iPod first.


Oh god, don't remind me. The hockey-puck mouse was the single most shameful piece of crap in Apple's history. I always moved it diagonally by accident because I would grab it slightly sideways and not notice.
 
2009-01-23 05:48:12 PM
hamiltonjdavid: iluvgirlswithglasses: Plus, the new ones actually have eject buttons.

Man, I hated it when that damn Zork disc got stuck in the drive on my 128K Mac and I didn't know you could just hold down the mouse button while turning on the computer to eject the disc.

I tried a butter knife. I tried tweezers.

Then I looked in the book and figured out what that little hole was for.


You've had a lot of failed relationships, haven't you? (Couldn't resist.)

Blew my nephew's mind telling him his iPod touch was twice as powerful as the iMacs in his high school's computer lab.
 
2009-01-23 05:49:43 PM
PirateKing: My first PC was a custom-built 386 with 6 mb of RAM and a 10 MB HD.

Your RAM was 60% as big as your HD? That's hilarious. And awesome.
 
2009-01-23 05:50:23 PM
Cyborg77: The dark ages:



Using those in high school I swore I'd never buy a Mac. OS X, Boot Camp and some major redesigns changes all that. Of course they lured me in with the iPod first.


Those things were ugly as sin. Truly disgusting. If you told me then that they'd some day make the iPod Touch, I'd have laughed until I shat.
 
2009-01-23 05:51:04 PM
getting it out the way
i40.tinypic.com
i42.tinypic.com
i42.tinypic.com
 
2009-01-23 05:52:33 PM
I still have my 128K Mac


and my 4K VIC-20
 
2009-01-23 05:57:04 PM
BlorfMaster: Macs: Creating easy computers for dumb people for 25 years.

The usual comment from someone who has no idea what they're talking about.
 
2009-01-23 05:58:42 PM
My first 'puter?

2.5 MHz Zilog Z80 microprocessor, 64 KiB of RAM, dual, single-sided, 191 kB 5¼ inch floppy disk drives, and an 80 column green monochrome 9" CRT.

Kaypro II. Well, it was Dad's, but I got to use it, which rocks when you're 6. Booting with CP/M- an OS on a 5¼ disk.

//The lawn, it's mine. Extract yourself.
 
2009-01-23 06:10:39 PM
Amazing, 25 years... How is is that the users are still of the angst of a 12 year old?
 
2009-01-23 06:10:58 PM
zephyrkate: Then I looked in the book and figured out what that little hole was for.

You've had a lot of failed relationships, haven't you?


I knew that was coming when I clicked Add Comment.
 
2009-01-23 06:14:00 PM
hamiltonjdavid: I knew that was coming when I clicked Add Comment.

Well, I wouldn't have wanted to ruin your expectations.
 
2009-01-23 06:17:58 PM
It's great, the price per smug keeps going down!
 
2009-01-23 06:27:42 PM
Prysm: BlorfMaster: Macs: Creating easy computers for dumb people for 25 years.

I like to think of them more as training wheels. When you get to where you can wear the big boy pants, then it's PC time.


Unfortunately the big boy pants come pre-swabbed with herpes and the clap. To get rid of these diseases the makers of the big boy pants sell you subscriptions to disease free pants.
 
2009-01-23 06:30:15 PM
oh and one more thing. during these difficult times lets check Apple's quarterly report

/when you are done reading all the smug-kool-aid-whatever jokes
//ill save you the time they're making money hand over fist
 
2009-01-23 06:52:40 PM
j_twelve: Unfortunately the big boy pants come pre-swabbed with herpes and the clap. To get rid of these diseases the makers of the big boy pants sell you subscriptions to disease free pants.

"Pre-swabbed"? Spoken like someone who isn't ready for the "big-boy pants."

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j_twelve: oh and one more thing. during these difficult times lets check Apple's quarterly report

/when you are done reading all the smug-kool-aid-whatever jokes
//ill save you the time they're making money hand over fist


Yet again: fanboys cheering corporate profits that have no bearing on the consumer side of things.
 
2009-01-23 06:54:26 PM
Chabash: Amazing, 25 years... How is is that the users are still of the angst of a 12 year old?

The usual comment from someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

KarmicDisaster: It's great, the price per smug keeps going down!

The usual comment from someone who has no idea what they're talking about.
 
2009-01-23 06:56:18 PM
Yankees Team Gynecologist: j_twelve: Unfortunately the big boy pants come pre-swabbed with herpes and the clap. To get rid of these diseases the makers of the big boy pants sell you subscriptions to disease free pants.

"Pre-swabbed"? Spoken like someone who isn't ready for the "big-boy pants."



j_twelve: oh and one more thing. during these difficult times lets check Apple's quarterly report

/when you are done reading all the smug-kool-aid-whatever jokes
//ill save you the time they're making money hand over fist

Yet again: fanboys cheering corporate profits that have no bearing on the consumer side of things.


I'm sorry you'd rather pay for half-assed technology and get half-assed results, and feel better about yourself because...well to tell you the truth I can't think of one reason why you'd prefer Windows.

Epic fail.
 
2009-01-23 07:01:47 PM
Cyborg77: The dark ages:

Ugly or not, this particular model probably marked the beginning of Apple's current design aesthetic and new-found attention to functionality (with that mouse as the glaring exception) that's attracting so many new users now. If anything, this model more likely signaled the end of the dark ages for Apple.

Also, apparently, in this day and age, Mac users and PC users seem to hate each other as if they were both launching rockets at each others' settlements. Is it really some kind of crime to use both Macs and PCs and take advantage of their actual strengths and weaknesses?

Overly vocal hipster Mac users that use their MacBook Air solely to update their Twitter accounts and MySpace pages give a bad name to the industry people that actually need Macs for their graphics capabilities and their current status as a standard in some industries.

Mac-bashers with stock Dells are the PC world's answer to hipster Mac zealots, only they can actually play Team Fortress 2 without Boot Camp.

Probably the only real thing they can agree on is that they both like caffeine, although they differ on whether to get it from Starbucks or from Bawls Guarana.
 
2009-01-23 07:04:17 PM
Winktologist: I'm sorry you'd rather pay for half-assed technology and get half-assed results

Obviously you need the idiot-proofing that a Mac can provide. That's fine, just don't project your ineptitude on everyone else. The rest of us can get by just fine using Windows on whatever hardware we want, running whatever software we want.
 
2009-01-23 07:07:16 PM
iluvgirlswithglasses: need Macs for their graphics capabilities

What graphics capabilities?

I keep hearing this, but never see any evidence or explanation of it, especially since Macs now use PC parts. If anything I've heard that the Adobe Creative Suite runs better under Windows now. I can't attest to this myself because I haven't used Adobe products on Mac in several years, so I can't compare.
 
2009-01-23 07:14:04 PM
Anyone remember hypercard.
 
2009-01-23 07:16:21 PM
TFA sucks. At least compare the damn thing to a contemporary Mac instead of a Windows XP machine. Then we'd get a look at how Macs have evolved over the 25 years rather than "newer computer's are better lol"

/sic
 
2009-01-23 07:18:28 PM
lordargent: Anyone remember hypercard.

I know someone who still generates an entire adult website with several hundred thousand images all from a Hypercard deck.
 
2009-01-23 07:18:29 PM
Hmmm? When I need to build an SQL/DFS cluster or tie a mega huge san to Active Directory I use Windows boxes.

When I need to build cheap servers that are single purpose, I throw linux into the mix.

When I buy a computer to use for my personal business, and don't want to spend a majority of my time fixing its ailments - I buy a mac.

See that's the truly scary thing about Mac haters - they ignore a tool. One thing is for sure - knowing all platforms and how they interact is going to keep your IT position much more secure than if you tout a Microsoft banner and that's all you do.

/fun job
//very secure
///because I like to use all the operating systems not just one
////doesn't even bother wearing pants
 
2009-01-23 07:19:41 PM
I think this been touched on here but in all seriousness what exactly does a Mac bring to the table (say in Photoshop) that a similarly spec'd PC doesn't?

Besides habit, what differentiates the two?
 
2009-01-23 07:23:36 PM
lordargent: Anyone remember hypercard.

I do, it kicked ass. I remember a physicist who wrote and atmospheric modeling program in hypercard (index of refraction by elevation I think). I cannot image limiting oneself to a single operating system: I'd starve. Today I worked with Mac OS X, Sun Solaris, Linux (Oracle Enterprise and Ubuntu), Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7 Beta (just playing around). I guess I don't have a real job since I don't work solely in Windows.
 
2009-01-23 07:26:18 PM
Spoiled kids today with their 'thousand dollar' computers!

3 to 6 grand in 80's dollars (double that for today) for a basic system was the going rate for us fogies who blazed the path for you snot-nosed whippersnappers.

/Want video?
//HAHA! Add another 3-5 for a third party board.
//Green feet = death!
 
2009-01-23 07:27:46 PM
The difference isn't so big anymore, Steve_pss, but when Macs were relatively new their biggest feature in terms of "graphics performance" was that text was treated in the same way graphics were. For a long time, Macs were friendly to people making their own fonts, and Windows only adopted TrueType after it was clear that if a WYSIWYG OS didn't replicate typography properly it's place in the graphic design world would be very small.

Right now the lines are very blurred for graphic designers. However, a good general rule of thumb is that people doing 3D animation and modeling use Windows (the community came from non-macs), and the people doing Video and compositing are Mac (same reason).

The truth of the matter is, it probably doesn't make a difference. The choice of platform has more to do with corporate directory structure, corporate policy, or user preference.

/made a career out of integrating whatever with whatever
//platform neutral in the macro view
 
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