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2009-01-21 05:53:33 PM
Just another example of the ACLU persecuting Christians.
 
2009-01-21 05:58:26 PM
Samuelson said the school took government aid money and paid it to a holding company which then donated it to the Muslim American Society of Minnesota. The money was used to pay for rent, according to the suit. He said that the school, holding company and the society were all incorporated on the same day by the same people, which Samuelson said was a conflict of interest. "They created legal fictions, but it's the same organization," Samuelson said.

The suit also alleges that there are prayers on the walls of the school entry and that teachers have participated in student prayer activities, which is forbidden in public schools. Samuelson said the school has used its website to seek volunteers to lead prayers. He also said that students and staff are required to dress in attire that conforms to Islamic religion.

The school has issued a handbook instructing staff to not discuss what goes on at the school, Samuelson said. "You cannot have a broad secrecy oath" in a school funded with public dollars, he said.


Seems pretty bad.
 
2009-01-21 05:59:59 PM
sure, but I bet they wouldn't say anything if it was the Muslims causing troub... oh, wait.

It appears we were misinformed once again by a certain group of perpetual victims.
 
2009-01-21 06:08:12 PM
You knew it was coming eventually. Their shennanigans were outed a couple years ago.
 
2009-01-21 06:16:17 PM
tallguywithglasseson: Just another example of the ACLU persecuting Christians.
 
2009-01-21 06:17:56 PM
 
2009-01-21 06:20:20 PM
DamnYankees: Seems pretty bad.

Yeah.

What was the official charter reason, though? Just curious because I know there are some Arabic charter schools (concentration on the Arabic language) and also a Hebrew charter school opening or soon to open in NYC, I was reading an article about the Hebrew school which described the specific care they were taking to emulate the better of the Arabic charter schools and be VERY careful not to use religious texts or any of that sort of thing.

Most charter schools have some gimmick or plan for "this is why our school is different, this is what we want to try" so I just wonder if it was language (which WOULD be ok) or something like performing arts or what.
 
2009-01-21 06:21:17 PM
smooshie: Too bad Europe doesn't have an ACLU :(

Well, lots of countries in Europe (including the UK) are 100% fine with religious public schools, so it's not quite the same situation.
 
2009-01-21 06:24:32 PM
"When will the ACLU stop it's crusade against honest, hard working Christia -- They were teaching WHAT?! God bless the ACLU!"
 
2009-01-21 06:29:16 PM
DamnYankees: Seems pretty bad.

Yeah, just finished TFA. shiat sounds illegal as hell.
 
2009-01-21 06:29:36 PM
tallguywithglasseson: Just another example of the ACLU persecuting Christians.

Yeah, I want to see the haters spin this one. Would it be too much to hope for a head to explode?
 
2009-01-21 06:34:54 PM
Pseudo-conservative skulls heard spontaneously exploding all over the interwebs. Good.
 
2009-01-21 06:50:13 PM
By the way, a conflict between the ACLU and Mulsims will make Fox News' collective head implode.
 
2009-01-21 06:57:56 PM
I was all set to side with the Muslims until I read about their little secrecy oath. Yeah, no. You take public money, you get public scrutiny.

/pity they can't both lose
 
2009-01-21 06:59:39 PM
GAT_00: Yeah, I want to see the haters spin this one.

The American Communist Lawyers Union hates all religions...its just Islam is not on the top of their hit list. That honor will belong to Christianity as long as the ACLU lives.


Link (new window)
 
2009-01-21 07:00:14 PM
Blah, Fark eated my link.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024509.php
 
2009-01-21 07:09:22 PM
smooshie: Link

Sigh, I guess I hoped for too much. Hoping for Republicans to be smart seems to be a foregone hope.

/note, Republicans not conservatives
 
2009-01-21 07:13:42 PM
GAT_00: Yeah, I want to see the haters spin this one. Would it be too much to hope for a head to explode?

I predict non sequiturs about the 2nd amendment.

itazurakko: What was the official charter reason, though?

From their home page:
Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy seeks to provide students with a learning environment that recognizes and appreciates the traditions, histories, civilizations and accomplishments of Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy seeks to nurture the innate human values of brotherhood, equality, justice, compassion and peace.

Currently, we are a K-8 school, with additional grades opening in the future. Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy offers tuition-free education to all students upon admission.
Mission Statement:
The mission of the Tarek Ibn Ziyad Academy is to contribute to building a diverse, virtuous and moral America by helping children to understand their stewardship role in the world, embedding in them a sense of care, responsibility, love, tolerance and cooperation. Strengthened by these virtues, our students will be prepared to participate actively in civic life and take leadership roles in their communities. In addition, the Academy aims to help students integrate into American society, while retaining their identity.

As an inspiration to our students, we have named our school after Tarek Ibn Ziyad, the Ummayad administrator of medieval Spain. Thirteen hundred years ago, serving in the multifaceted roles of activist, leader, explorer, teacher, administrator and peacemaker, he inspired his fellow citizens to the same striving for human greatness that we hope to instill in our students today.
TIZA website (new window)

Presumably the school was set up to cater to the Asian Muslim and the (very large) Somali Muslim population in Minneapolis.

It's starting to seem clearer, especially with the digging into the founder and the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, that they're breaking the rules. But I guess that's what the lawsuit is to determine. My best guess, they're going to have to change the way they do things at the school, or get shut down - probably the former.

But what I look forward to most in this case is watching "conservative" groups weighing in - either unofficially or filing briefs.
On the one hand, OMG Muslims!
On the other, they'd be fighting to reinforce precedents they want to overturn.

Bwah-hahahahaha.
 
2009-01-21 07:57:04 PM
tallguywithglasseson: Presumably the school was set up to cater to the Asian Muslim and the (very large) Somali Muslim population in Minneapolis.

It's starting to seem clearer, especially with the digging into the founder and the Muslim American Society of Minnesota, that they're breaking the rules. But I guess that's what the lawsuit is to determine. My best guess, they're going to have to change the way they do things at the school, or get shut down - probably the former.


Yeah. If they stuck to language and history, they'd be okay. If the school happens to be 99% Muslim so they come to some agreement about having some religious holidays off, they'd probably STILL be okay (it's the reason mainstream schools get Xmas off, and it's the reason mainstream schools in areas with lots of Jewish students give the high holidays off) but the praying bit? Definitely not cool.

But what I look forward to most in this case is watching "conservative" groups weighing in - either unofficially or filing briefs.
On the one hand, OMG Muslims!
On the other, they'd be fighting to reinforce precedents they want to overturn.

Bwah-hahahahaha.

Should be interesting, yeah. People always seem to forget that the ACLU has fought cases on BEHALF of religious Christian students who were unreasonably censored by overzealous and/or clueless school administrations, too.

I wonder about the dress code, though - if they're trying to enforce religious rules on dress, I can understand the interpretation that it crosses a line. On the other hand though, serious question, what's to stop ANY school from instituting a uniform with any weird components it damn well feels like?

I mean, if some school says your kid WILL wear purple pants and ONLY purple pants, no one cares. Same for silly hats. If the magnet school wants your kid to wear a robin hood style cap with feather, he has to, right?

So what makes a headscarf different, or saying girls can't show their elbows, or girls must wear below-the-knee skirts and tights?

Honest question there, I can see "the motivation is different" but... would this affect more garden-variety "kid must wear blue pants and white shirt" policies?

(Though, most of what US public schools call "uniforms" aren't even close to real uniforms, more like strict dress codes.)
 
2009-01-21 08:17:15 PM
About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.
 
2009-01-21 08:17:21 PM
93 clicks and I get a 404 error already.
 
2009-01-21 08:17:54 PM
www.sonic.net
ACLU! ACLU!
 
2009-01-21 08:18:14 PM
Oh wait.. that was Subby's way of submitting an already submitted link. I see.
 
2009-01-21 08:18:17 PM
404'd
 
2009-01-21 08:18:29 PM
Yeah, I can see why you guys don't want my links. They're not FU**ED.
 
2009-01-21 08:18:59 PM
General Vayo: About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.


You're an idiot.
 
2009-01-21 08:20:34 PM
Sauce for the goose.
 
2009-01-21 08:21:23 PM
General Vayo: About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.


Perhaps they don't spend a lot of time fighting Islamo-fascism because statistically speaking, here in the USA, Christo-fascism is so much more popular?
 
2009-01-21 08:21:37 PM
This comes as a tremendous shock to those who don't understand the ACLU's purpose.
 
2009-01-21 08:23:02 PM
General Vayo: About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.


So, Islam = Left, Christianity = Right?
 
2009-01-21 08:24:31 PM
I think the link's been moved. Here's one that ought to work:

ACLU to sue Twin Cities charter school that caters to Muslims (pops)
 
2009-01-21 08:24:36 PM
Apparently they found out the Koran mentions Jesus.
I guess that's close enough for them.
 
2009-01-21 08:24:38 PM
No ACLU thread is complete without a link to this site.
 
2009-01-21 08:25:20 PM
DarnoKonrad: General Vayo: About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.

You're an idiot.


I was just behind a guy in traffic today with an anti-ACLU bumper sticker [the C was represented as a hammer and sickle, clever] in between a bunch of other "Ammurrakah, fark yeah" stickers [all of this was on a japanese car]-- anyway, I could sum up this guy as just a Limbaugh listener or something else, but it really is just that simple: they're idiots. People who don't understand the legal system, at all. Having unpopular clients is par for the course, trying to prevent precedents that set limits on personal freedoms, I'm just at a loss for how a bunch of Freedom-loving Americans could hate on people protecting American Freedoms.
 
2009-01-21 08:25:36 PM
smooshie: The American Communist Lawyers Union hates all religions...its just Islam is not on the top of their hit list. That honor will belong to Christianity as long as the ACLU lives.

There's an American Communist Lawyers Union? Why has no one told me this before? How do I join/where do I sign up?
 
2009-01-21 08:25:46 PM
Or as ACLU insiders might call this: a membership drive.
 
2009-01-21 08:27:07 PM
itazurakko: What was the official charter reason, though? Just curious because I know there are some Arabic charter schools (concentration on the Arabic language) and also a Hebrew charter school opening or soon to open in NYC, I was reading an article about the Hebrew school which described the specific care they were taking to emulate the better of the Arabic charter schools and be VERY careful not to use religious texts or any of that sort of thing.

That's the Arabic school where the principle had to resign for making t-shirts promoting jihad and the death of Americans. That should be the last thing the Hebrew school wants to emulate.
 
2009-01-21 08:27:19 PM
Watch this story develop here:
Freeperland (new window)
 
2009-01-21 08:27:32 PM
it took, a very small percentage of a second for me to find out the link isn't there anymore
 
2009-01-21 08:28:35 PM
jfarkinB So, Islam = Left, Christianity = Right?

Well, see, the conservative mind sees the left as supporting the fall of America and supporting ideologies which want to harm America, such as all those brown people in not-America places. And, since America haters all love each other ghey-style, Islam is, by default, a left-leaning religion.

/Aristocrats!
 
2009-01-21 08:28:48 PM
principal*
 
2009-01-21 08:29:56 PM
If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you're not suing Islam.
 
2009-01-21 08:30:02 PM
GAT_00

Sigh, I guess I hoped for too much. Hoping for Republicans to be smart seems to be a foregone hope.


and here I thought republicans and the ACLU are at each others throats a lot of the time
 
2009-01-21 08:30:29 PM
For the record, yes,I am a card carrying memmber of the ACLU. The question is why aren't you, Bob? This is an organization who's soul purpose is to defend the constitution.
 
2009-01-21 08:32:28 PM
General Vayo: About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.


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2009-01-21 08:32:43 PM
what_now: For the record, yes,I am a card carrying memmber of the ACLU. The question is why aren't you, Bob? This is an organization who's soul purpose is to defend the constitution.


'soul' purpose? you got the brothas on board for that?
 
2009-01-21 08:32:50 PM
You Minnesotans can thank Catholic Charities for the scourge of Somalis you're being saddled with.

After what they did to our peacekeepers over there, they get NO sympathy from me.
 
2009-01-21 08:32:51 PM
General Vayo: About farking time they stopped playing favorites.

I could respect them if they actually took an even stance on all things, but most of the time their stance is very skewed to the Left. If they do more to keep Islamo-fascism at bay then I might even find the ACLU tolerable.


Chrisianity is a religion. Islam is a "culture". Thats why they rarely get chased out of schools.
 
2009-01-21 08:33:04 PM
From the freepers. I assume this guy is getting banned?

Calm down, people. The Obamanation just got anointed. The ACLU is just doing a little right-on-time cherry-picking to bolster their illusion of 'impartiality'. This is as PR-oriented as them coming to Rush's defense during his Oxycontin episode.

12 posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:23:29 PM by Viking2002 (The Occupation has begun. God help America.)
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2009-01-21 08:33:10 PM
*404* at this time but good and it's about time, too, man.
 
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