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2009-01-21 09:42:00 AM
They go after Apple for Job's being sick but miss Bernie Madoff swindling $50B. Way to go there Lou.
 
2009-01-21 09:54:17 AM
thegauntlet: They go after Apple for Job's being sick but miss Bernie Madoff swindling $50B. Way to go there Lou.

THIS.
 
2009-01-21 10:05:30 AM
FlashHarry: thegauntlet: They go after Apple for Job's being sick but miss Bernie Madoff swindling $50B. Way to go there Lou.

THIS.


THIS x2

I'd add the frivolous prosecutions of Martha Stewart and Mark Cuban (both of whom I hate, but oh well) to this list too. Go after real scumbags, you idiots.
 
2009-01-21 10:09:35 AM
thegauntlet: They go after Apple for Job's being sick but miss Bernie Madoff swindling $50B. Way to go there Lou.

Can't they do both?

The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left, and it's hurting the damn company. If Apple cannot exist without him, then his well-being becomes part of the equation when investing in the company.

I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.
 
2009-01-21 10:09:54 AM
I just don't get all the fear that Apple will collapse if Steve is no longer with the company or if he dies. Yes he currently makes all the final decisions but that doesn't mean there isn't anyone else capable of doing so.
Apple still makes good product - that will continue. I can see some investors getting scared because the messiah is not with the company but when Ives designs the next iphone people will still buy it with or without Steve.


/but yes Apple seemed to be too secretive about Steve's health and probably should have their wrist slapped but as the headline mentioned the SEC seems to be going after something so petty when they have bigger issues to handle
 
2009-01-21 10:15:28 AM
PoopStain: I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.

i37.tinypic.com

yeah. me, too!
 
2009-01-21 10:17:24 AM
The SEC has been sketchy ever since Roosevelt appointed Joe Kennedy as their first Chairman.
 
2009-01-21 10:41:41 AM
My understanding of the problem is that all Apple devices are connected via a wireless transponder to a tiny device implants below Steve Jobs' aorta. The moment his heartbeat ceases, all devices created while he was Apple CEO will cease to function and may, in some cases, self-destruct. Apple has been trying to obtain the stop codes from him for some time now, but he's been reticent to give these up because he fears that their dissemination might weaken his hold on the company. If it happens, though, that he dies without revealing how to deactivate the transponders, there would be an iTastrophe of epic proportions.
 
2009-01-21 12:32:18 PM
PoopStain: I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.

This from the party of Reagan?
 
2009-01-21 12:39:08 PM
jake_lex: Go after real scumbags, you idiots.

Apple are complete scumbags.
 
2009-01-21 12:39:08 PM
Pocket Ninja: My understanding of the problem is that all Apple devices are connected via a wireless transponder to a tiny device implants below Steve Jobs' aorta. The moment his heartbeat ceases, all devices created while he was Apple CEO will cease to function and may, in some cases, self-destruct. Apple has been trying to obtain the stop codes from him for some time now, but he's been reticent to give these up because he fears that their dissemination might weaken his hold on the company. If it happens, though, that he dies without revealing how to deactivate the transponders, there would be an iTastrophe of epic proportions.

You left out reality distortion field.
 
2009-01-21 12:40:41 PM
PoopStain: I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.

Is this irony day or something? How can anyone from teh party of Saint Reagan, Jesus-Palin and Lord Bush (it took him years to destroy the hero worship that was his manifest destiny originally) even joke about cult of personalities?
 
2009-01-21 12:40:47 PM
Pocket Ninja: My understanding of the problem is that all Apple devices are connected via a wireless transponder to a tiny device implants below Steve Jobs' aorta. The moment his heartbeat ceases, all devices created while he was Apple CEO will cease to function and may, in some cases, self-destruct. Apple has been trying to obtain the stop codes from him for some time now, but he's been reticent to give these up because he fears that their dissemination might weaken his hold on the company. If it happens, though, that he dies without revealing how to deactivate the transponders, there would be an iTastrophe of epic proportions.

myblog.riarentalreviews.com
Approves.
 
2009-01-21 12:41:33 PM
PoopStain: The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left, and it's hurting the damn company. If Apple cannot exist without him, then his well-being becomes part of the equation when investing in the company.

I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.


"the left"

Really? You're that desperate to conflate everything even remotely bad with your pet bogeyman?
 
2009-01-21 12:44:17 PM
Hey SEC... any chance you can look into that $350 billion that was shiat down the toilet due to lack of transparency and a watchful eye on how it was spent? Apple's stocks, though many people have invested in, are generally fine. We're all invested in the damn bailout.

PRIORITIES, MOTHERFARKER! GET THEM STRAIGHT!
 
2009-01-21 12:44:40 PM
Stompn_Tom: I just don't get all the fear that Apple will collapse if Steve is no longer with the company or if he dies. Yes he currently makes all the final decisions but that doesn't mean there isn't anyone else capable of doing so.
Apple still makes good product - that will continue. I can see some investors getting scared because the messiah is not with the company but when Ives designs the next iphone people will still buy it with or without Steve.


/but yes Apple seemed to be too secretive about Steve's health and probably should have their wrist slapped but as the headline mentioned the SEC seems to be going after something so petty when they have bigger issues to handle


because it was failing without jobs and they had to bring back jobs after a 10 year(approx?) gap in which apple was fairly stagnant. after jobs comes back and eventually becomes ceo, the company resurges and is once again successful and popular rather than a footnote
 
2009-01-21 12:45:04 PM
Actually, this is a pretty reasonable thing to do. If Apple was intentionally misleading the shareholders by planting disinformation about Jobs's health, the SEC should come down on them.

Honestly? I don't think that's the case. Apple isn't retarded- they know that they'd get in trouble for lying about this.

Regardless of how crucial Jobs's health is to the company, he is still a private citizen and has a right to privacy. He is allowed to withhold information about his health. But he isn't allowed to lie to his shareholders about it either. The very fact that he said they had a tentative diagnosis implies that he's either very stupid or telling the truth. Based on his business successes, I think we can probably rule out the very stupid part.
 
2009-01-21 12:46:25 PM
bhcompy: because it was failing without jobs and they had to bring back jobs after a 10 year(approx?) gap in which apple was fairly stagnant. after jobs comes back and eventually becomes ceo, the company resurges and is once again successful and popular rather than a footnote

Sadly. Apple is a plague on American society. Expensive products with okay visual design but horrible functionality and ergonomics touted by dumb people who think they can buy hipness through consumer electronics.
 
2009-01-21 12:51:10 PM
Bill Frist: bhcompy: because it was failing without jobs and they had to bring back jobs after a 10 year(approx?) gap in which apple was fairly stagnant. after jobs comes back and eventually becomes ceo, the company resurges and is once again successful and popular rather than a footnote

Sadly. Apple is a plague on American society. Expensive products with okay visual design but horrible functionality and ergonomics touted by dumb people who think they can buy hipness through consumer electronics.


oh I agree. they found the next big pop fad and turned it into a fashion accessory. visual aesthetics over substance is the mantra, though some of the substance has been great(like OSX for what it is, but still has massive downsides regardless)
 
2009-01-21 12:51:31 PM
PoopStain: thegauntlet: They go after Apple for Job's being sick but miss Bernie Madoff swindling $50B. Way to go there Lou.

Can't they do both?

The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left, and it's hurting the damn company. If Apple cannot exist without him, then his well-being becomes part of the equation when investing in the company.

I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.


Democrats automatically love Steve Jobs? We didn't talk about this at the last meeting!...I've got to go sell my Dell and my iRiver.
 
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2009-01-21 12:53:27 PM
PoopStain: thegauntlet: They go after Apple for Job's being sick but miss Bernie Madoff swindling $50B. Way to go there Lou.

Can't they do both?

The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left, and it's hurting the damn company. If Apple cannot exist without him, then his well-being becomes part of the equation when investing in the company.

I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.


yea well madoff madoff madoff. good job GOP. consequently, people investigating irregularities in the mortgage system were crucified by the bushies. See Eliot Spitzer
 
2009-01-21 12:53:59 PM
Who is that Kryptonian women sitting behind Jobs, in the photograph ?
 
2009-01-21 12:56:02 PM
PoopStain: thegauntlet:
...I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.


Because choosing ideals requires thoughts and reason. Choosing personalities requires only that you mindlessly follow them.
 
2009-01-21 12:58:32 PM
A good blog post on how Apple handled the situation:

Link (new window)
 
2009-01-21 12:58:45 PM
PoopStain: The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left

Eh.. it's a tie between him, Darwin, Obama, and Christina Hendricks.

/though, any smoking bombshell of a hottie is welcome into the ranks of the worshipped
 
2009-01-21 01:00:01 PM
erveek: PoopStain: The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left, and it's hurting the damn company. If Apple cannot exist without him, then his well-being becomes part of the equation when investing in the company.

I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.

"the left"

Really? You're that desperate to conflate everything even remotely bad with your pet bogeyman?


Granted Apple has Al Gore on the Board of Directors. He's the quintessential left personality that people have orbited around rabidly since his failed presidential bid. He has no qualification to be on the Board(he's been involved in politics his whole life and only has a BA in government) other than the cult of personality that follows him(like Jobs).
 
2009-01-21 01:00:38 PM
attackingpencil: Democrats automatically love Steve Jobs? We didn't talk about this at the last meeting!...I've got to go sell my Dell and my iRiver.

Al Gore is on the board, and the Clintons stayed with Steve while they were attending Chelsea's graduation from Stanford.

Of course, Rush Limbaugh has been a Mac user for years, and Huckabee just switched because of the fantastic customer service.
 
2009-01-21 01:02:41 PM
Omarion is safe.
 
2009-01-21 01:07:26 PM
Hopefully it just stays in the SEC. If it moves to the Big 12 as well then Apple is screwed. Although he could hope for a move to the CUSA.
 
2009-01-21 01:20:11 PM
Maybe the DOJ can also investigate how Apple puts Safari on all of its Macs. That's probably an antitrust situation there.

Oh, and the EU should do something about iTunes. Apple can only do business with the EU if they create a Mac OSX N. Yeah that sounds great.
 
2009-01-21 01:23:53 PM
TheRaven7: That's probably an antitrust situation there.

Well, obviously, since Apple has 90+% marketshare, and is using it control the market and lock out any possible competition.
 
2009-01-21 01:27:26 PM
bhcompy: Granted Apple has Al Gore on the Board of Directors. He's the quintessential left personality that people have orbited around rabidly since his failed presidential bid. He has no qualification to be on the Board(he's been involved in politics his whole life and only has a BA in government) other than the cult of personality that follows him(like Jobs).

....

Other then his life time of working with technology, enormous political connections, foresight on environmental issues, and enormous respect amung the non-retarded, what does he have to offer?

....

You are an idiot.
 
2009-01-21 01:29:13 PM
t3knomanser: TheRaven7: That's probably an antitrust situation there.

Well, obviously, since Apple has 90+% marketshare, and is using it control the market and lock out any possible competition.


Yeah, well the DOJ should control the inner workings of the company for 7 years just to be sure. Apple can still continue doing everything it was doing before, anyway.
 
2009-01-21 01:29:17 PM
I hate Apple and their macs, but love my iphone. Who do I argue against?
 
2009-01-21 01:30:02 PM
bhcompy: erveek: PoopStain: The Jobs hero worship is typical of the left, and it's hurting the damn company. If Apple cannot exist without him, then his well-being becomes part of the equation when investing in the company.

I've often wondered why Democrats orbit around personalities instead of ideals.

"the left"

Really? You're that desperate to conflate everything even remotely bad with your pet bogeyman?

Granted Apple has Al Gore on the Board of Directors. He's the quintessential left personality that people have orbited around rabidly since his failed presidential bid. He has no qualification to be on the Board(he's been involved in politics his whole life and only has a BA in government) other than the cult of personality that follows him(like Jobs).


And so Jobs' fans' hero worship is a practice of the left because... Gore is on the board of directors?

Bit of a stretch there.

Way I see it, Macentologists are Macentologists. Democrats are Democrats. Yeah, there's overlap between the two groups. But the one does not cause the other, nor does the one equal the other.

The association is false, and I stand by my assertion that PoopStain was trying to pin everything on the left.
 
2009-01-21 01:30:17 PM
Bill Frist: Sadly. Apple is a plague on American society. Expensive products with okay visual design but horrible functionality and ergonomics touted by dumb people who think they can buy hipness through consumer electronics.

Lets see. I'm a 34 year old computer programmer, who have worked in the games industry for 13 years. I own the PSP, DS, PS2, PS3, Wii, 360, 3 PC's, a Mac Mini, and a host of other devices (much to the frustration of my girlfriend), including the iPhone and iPod. I have seen 10,000 UI implementations, and I have seen an extreme amount of shoddy and great implementations of general engineering; I've seen rock solid applications, and I've seen cheaply produced knock off applications.

And frankly, you are speaking out of your arse. Apple have made technology approachable, even for my ultraconservative mom. In terms of looks, which phones are cooler than the iPhone at present time? Where's the iPod beater?

I went to a party on saturday. Showed a girl Google Earth on my iPhone, and proceeded to zoom in on her house. She was absolutely blown away. I didn't receive the iPhone back for another 2 hours, everyone wanted to play with it. No other phone I've ever had, or seen, has received the reception of the iPhone.

Sure they charge a premium, but so do companies like Sony and Panasonic - it's called paying for a brand.

/ Not an Apple fanboi, but can't stand blatant biased anti-fanboyism for the sake of being "cool", which is ironic considering that's what anyone who owns an Apple device is being accused of.
// Once a cooler phone but the iPhone is out, I'll probably get that.
 
2009-01-21 01:32:39 PM
pd771: I hate Apple and their macs, but love my iphone. Who do I argue against?

Everyone.
 
2009-01-21 01:33:47 PM
Bored Horde: This from the party of Reagan?

He and Palin (as mentioned above you) are important because of their ideals.

Palin is important because she represents a set of ideals that were completely missing in the Republican primary and were completely unexpected to show up next to someone like McCain. Sure, she happens to have a pretty face and a positive demeanor, but it really has less to do with their personalities and more to do with ideals. She and Reagan both have/had flawed personalities. Same goes for Newt - he's got a good demeanor, but it's not that winning personality that draws people; it's the ideals.

Sorry to get political and off topic. People might like Jobs and other... certain...people... because of a set of ideals, but I couldn't tell you anything about Jobs (or certain... other... people...) except the cult of personality that surrounds him.
 
2009-01-21 01:35:22 PM
sarek_smile: Who is that Kryptonian women sitting behind Jobs, in the photograph ?

Hmmm... Maybe?

upload.wikimedia.org
/hotwikied
 
2009-01-21 01:37:25 PM
RoxtarRyan: pd771: I hate Apple and their macs, but love my iphone. Who do I argue against?

Everyone.


YOU'RE WRONG.

MICROSOFT IS A COMPUTER MONOPOLY

APPLE HAS A DIGITAL PLAYER MONOPOLY

I WANT TO DOUBLE CLICK DAMMIT

I LIKE CAKE
 
2009-01-21 01:39:08 PM
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2009-01-21 01:39:47 PM
saintstryfe: bhcompy: Granted Apple has Al Gore on the Board of Directors. He's the quintessential left personality that people have orbited around rabidly since his failed presidential bid. He has no qualification to be on the Board(he's been involved in politics his whole life and only has a BA in government) other than the cult of personality that follows him(like Jobs).

....

Other then his life time of working with technology, enormous political connections, foresight on environmental issues, and enormous respect amung the non-retarded, what does he have to offer?

....

You are an idiot.


Working with technology? I've spent my lifetime working with technology too. Does that make me qualified to be on the board of directors for a tech company?

where does environmentalism come in? other than being a face for environmentalism, what qualifications does he have as an environmental expert? where is his degree in climate science, geology, or something else related to natural sciences? how does he have foresight in environmental issues without that?

is it respect or a cult of personality? hard to tell, for sure.

why does someone with no technical or business expertise and no law degree to boot qualify for the board of directors for a tech company? its pretty obvious hes not their for his contributions, hes there for the same reason that they faked jobs health, the cult of personality makes money
 
2009-01-21 01:43:30 PM
TheRaven7: Yeah, well the DOJ should control the inner workings of the company for 7 years just to be sure.

Well, to complete the analogy, Apple should volunteer to offer that control, and then volunteer to extend the agreement for an additional five years because it actually worked out better for them that way, since being in trouble for something only vaguely monopolistic and playing nicey nice while doing it conceals the actual monopolistic problem with manipulative and controlling OEM agreements that allow you to strangle competition.

Yeah, if we could make that stretch, the analogy would hold up. The anti-trust case brought against Microsoft was one of the best things that ever happened to them.

Ditto on the EU version, too. After all, they got to comply with the decision and release a media player free version- that cost exactly the same amount as the media player included version. Genius.
 
2009-01-21 01:47:28 PM
pd771: I LIKE CAKE

The cake is a lie.
 
2009-01-21 01:48:39 PM
jonny_q: Sorry to get political and off topic. People might like Jobs and other... certain...people... because of a set of ideals, but I couldn't tell you anything about Jobs (or certain... other... people...) except the cult of personality that surrounds him.

so, did your parents drop you on your head when you were little, or where you recently in a car accident? Because the stuff that you are typing out about this topic is RETARDED.

/you talk like a fag
//and your shiats all retarded
///obvious movie reference
////in the slashies
 
2009-01-21 01:58:40 PM
bhcompy: saintstryfe: bhcompy: Granted Apple has Al Gore on the Board of Directors. He's the quintessential left personality that people have orbited around rabidly since his failed presidential bid. He has no qualification to be on the Board(he's been involved in politics his whole life and only has a BA in government) other than the cult of personality that follows him(like Jobs).

....

Other then his life time of working with technology, enormous political connections, foresight on environmental issues, and enormous respect amung the non-retarded, what does he have to offer?

....

You are an idiot.

Working with technology? I've spent my lifetime working with technology too. Does that make me qualified to be on the board of directors for a tech company?


Maybe. Did you craft technology policy for 20 years, help fund the early programs that laid the groundwork for the internet, understanding the potential value of shared information? Or did you build white boxes?

where does environmentalism come in? other than being a face for environmentalism, what qualifications does he have as an environmental expert? where is his degree in climate science, geology, or something else related to natural sciences? how does he have foresight in environmental issues without that?

Did ya notice Apple's latest gimmick? "Greenest Laptop Ever?" and the shrinking of the iPod's shipping container? Tech companies have environmental concerns. Computers use heavy metals, including lead mercury and precious metals. They have waste concerns, shipping concerns. These things have progressed since Gore joined the board, so yes, his environmentalist credentials have helped the company. And his credentials include research, authoring books on the topic, and oh yes, his NOBLE PEACE PRIZE for the topic that he shared with the hard scientists.

Every well known scientist is part BF Skinner and part PT Barnum. (Simpsons Corollary - Everything in life can be related to the Simpsons). While Gore is without doubt the PT Barnum, there's nothing wrong with that.

is it respect or a cult of personality? hard to tell, for sure.

why does someone with no technical or business expertise and no law degree to boot qualify for the board of directors for a tech company? its pretty obvious hes not their for his contributions, hes there for the same reason that they faked jobs health, the cult of personality makes money


Well the reasons above. Also, stop using the phrase "Cult of Personality". They have believers because they've made shyte happen. Gore turned people onto environmentalism decades head of the curve, in an approachable and reasonable way. Jobs founded a few Multi-million dollar companies. These people have fans for a reason.

And you say "Make Money" like it's wrong. It's a business. They're there to make money. And as an Apple investor for over a decade, holy crap they have for me. I financed my undergraduate education, and gave my mother the two huge cancer surgeries she needed, with the help of the Apple stock I invested in in 1998.

If you don't dig Apple computers, that's fine. But don't down their management - they're the savviest bunch of yahoos this side of GE.
 
2009-01-21 02:04:26 PM
saintstryfe: If you don't dig Apple computers, that's fine. But don't down their management - they're the savviest bunch of yahoos this side of GE.

More or less. But that's part of the concern over Jobs's health; the management structure there is very horizontal, and that means Jobs has his hands in a lot of things in a very direct way. It's entirely reasonable for investors and fans to be concerned about the future of the company.
 
2009-01-21 02:07:35 PM
t3knomanser: saintstryfe: If you don't dig Apple computers, that's fine. But don't down their management - they're the savviest bunch of yahoos this side of GE.

More or less. But that's part of the concern over Jobs's health; the management structure there is very horizontal, and that means Jobs has his hands in a lot of things in a very direct way. It's entirely reasonable for investors and fans to be concerned about the future of the company.


I'm not. They're good people at every level. Yes, Jobs pretty much saved Apple in 1997. But in the intervening 12 years, the management has grown. Apple is not going to be the company it became in 94 and 95 again. It will not have those failures of management and products as it did then.
 
2009-01-21 02:14:59 PM
saintstryfe: I'm not. They're good people at every level. Yes, Jobs pretty much saved Apple in 1997. But in the intervening 12 years, the management has grown. Apple is not going to be the company it became in 94 and 95 again. It will not have those failures of management and products as it did then.

Pretty much. If after over a decade of having a pretty competent leader a company hasn't figured out how to function if said leader needed to be replaced, every employee must be retarded on the scale of Palin. And if that was the case, no amount of competency from a leader could have made it work.
 
2009-01-21 02:15:57 PM
RoxtarRyan: pd771: I LIKE CAKE

The cake is a lie.


At least I have my weighted companion.... dammit.
 
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