lrosu79: Isn't that why they call it the theory of evolution?

Evolution isn't about life's origins.

You know, the politico-religionists who are behind this whole propaganda campaign know good and goddam well their explanations show an abysmal ignorance of science, but since spreading ignorance of science is their goal. . ..

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SpaceyCat: Cool! An evolution thread to keep me entertained tonight while at work. This is perfect!

Hi, SpaceyCat

PS, I am a transitional species. Would you like to see my gametes?

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Walker:

Red states. Scary places.

Oklahoma opened 09 with the first salvo--one of those disingenuous "Academic Freedom" bills.

You know, the politico-religionists will try their agenda anywhere they think they can sneak it in. Really, since Kitzmiller v Dover, all they've got is lawyers, money, and the sure and certain ope of an ignorant populace.

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Sun God: The Bible IS the layman's definition of "theory."

I doubt that.

They forgot to add the part where they explain why this particular theory has to be treated differently than other, equally accepted theories in science.

CanisNoir: "Ahh, gotta love Atheists..."

Oh, as if we're such an unreasonable lot! :P

If you suddenly became one as well I think you'd mysteriously stop finding fault with atheists as a group, despite being essentially the same person as before. Most of the distaste for atheists I've experienced as really been rooted in anger with ones own ability to defend theism from their arguments. So you shift the focus, make it about them, rather than your position, and make atheists out to be a bunch of angsty obnoxious teenagers rebelling against their parents.

I'm 25 by the by, and I was raised by liberal quakers, whose only inviolable rule is that I could never join the army or own a gun. The more you know. :P

Whoops, I mangled that (Mac keyboard, keys like goddamn chiclets). Here's my second attempt:

"If you suddenly became one as well I think you'd mysteriously stop finding fault with atheists as a group, despite being essentially the same person as before. Most of the distaste for atheists I've experienced has really been rooted in anger with ones own inability to defend theism from their arguments. So you shift the focus, make it about them, rather than your position, and make atheists out to be a bunch of angsty obnoxious teenagers rebelling against their parents."

Solon Isonomia: As you may have noticed, these always crap out long before they hit the main page. You get your creationist/anti-evolution trolling up front and the extensive counter-arguments fill the rest.

The pattern I've found is that you get your Bevets, and subsequent debunking, then it goes green, then there is a large amount of mockery by normal farkers, then near the end, someone decides they want to express how horrid us debunkers are for attacking Bevets (or whomever), and then we come back to debunk them.

YOU'RE a theory.

"No one was present when life first appeared on earth. Therefore, any statement about life's origins should be considered a theory,"

Doesn't that statement negate Creationism right there?

ninjakirby: Solon Isonomia: As you may have noticed, these always crap out long before they hit the main page. You get your creationist/anti-evolution trolling up front and the extensive counter-arguments fill the rest.

The pattern I've found is that you get your Bevets, and subsequent debunking, then it goes green, then there is a large amount of mockery by normal farkers, then near the end, someone decides they want to express how horrid us debunkers are for attacking Bevets (or whomever), and then we come back to debunk them.

And if SkinnyHead shows up, we get to riff on the "GED in law".

OH MY farkING GOD! OH MY farkING GOD!

The goddamn creationists are going to ruin the farking Republican party. Creationists: you're farking retarded. Go fark yourselves, and get the hell out of my political party so some good old-fashioned economic conservatives can start undoing the farking damage you've wrought over the past 20 years. If you want a Jesus party then form a farking Jesus party. Don't bogart mine.

This is so goddamn stupid I get stabby just thinking about it.

PoopStain: OH MY farkING GOD! OH MY farkING GOD!

The goddamn creationists are going to ruin the farking Republican party. Creationists: you're farking retarded. Go fark yourselves, and get the hell out of my political party so some good old-fashioned economic conservatives can start undoing the farking damage you've wrought over the past 20 years. If you want a Jesus party then form a farking Jesus party. Don't bogart mine.

This is so goddamn stupid I get stabby just thinking about it.

You and Weaver95 help me hold onto the hope that America might not be as farked as she appears sometimes.

mamoru: Which would be why I suggested "allegory" or "myth" over "Theory"... you could also just say "baseless conjecture".

Point of info: neither science nor it's theories ever attempt to prove anything. A theory cannot be proven, it can only ever be supported or refuted. Hence the need for falsifiability.

Jewish people (the people who wrote the Old Testament) universally believe The Bible is metaphor and allegory. For example, a Jew does not know how long one of G-d's "7 days" is. It might be 500 million years, or it might have happened while you were asleep last night for 7 hours.

Much like the Vishnu writings, which people in India believe to have been written 800,000 years ago. And, I guess if someone believes in reincarnation, that would be possible.

This word "theory"...I do not think it means what you think it means.

Interesting that their little disclaimer explicitly contradicts the literal fundamentalist interpretation of creation. Is that a double fail?

TripSixes: YOU'RE a theory.

Your MOM'S a theory.

And just at this start of the inevitable parade of retards, let's also clarify that despite what the disclaimer implies, the theory of evolution makes no assertions about the origin of life on earth, only how it has changed over time. The theory in fact is not equipped to address the question of the origin of life, any more than the science of meteorology is prepared to consider the origin of weather.

Andyr2120: Let us now read a passage from the Book of the Theory of Genesis...

brilliant.

Also, let me ask an open question: Why is the Deep South so keen on validating our most negative stereotypes?

Bevets: ...Its pretty obvious why atheists would have a problem with that last part.

And yet you would have a problem with putting a mythology disclaimer in front of all Bibles.

Again, evolution DOES NOT explain the origin on life.

doyner: Well, so long as bibles get stamped with a disclaimer of the "Theory of Christianity" I guess it's fair.

No way does christianity qualify as a theory. A (failed) hypothesis would be far more appropriate.

Well, I remember in school they taught us the geocentric theory of the solar system. And then they blasted it into tiny pieces. If we teach "creation science" expect it to be weighed in the balance, and found wanting.

Bevets: "This textbook discusses evolution, a controversial theory some scientists present as a scientific explanation for the origin of living things. No one was present when life first appeared on earth. Therefore, any statement about life's origins should be considered a theory," the proposal continues...

The textbook disclaimer would end with the following advice: "Study hard and keep an open mind."

Its pretty obvious why atheists would have a problem with that last part.


I've missed you, Bevets.

Bevets, I want you to know that I love and respect you. I may not agree with everything you say, but I know that you desire in your heart to be a Godly man, and anyone who criticizes you for it simply doesn't "get it". Keep on following your beliefs, good sir.

That being said, people seem to keep confusing theories with a hypothesis. Until people learn the difference, arguing with them is pointless. Mississippi did a good thing here. They are appeasing the angry right, and also allowing the teaching of an important scientific idea. I fail to see what the problem is here.

does not the fact that these morons are still around provide evidence against evolution ?

Why does so much stupidity exist in the South? Is it something in the water?

CDP:
Kent Hovind is in prison BTW. His appeal was denied.

//Click the link, it is a beautiful thing to behold.

Daraymann: Again, evolution DOES NOT explain the origin on of life.

Fark it's late.

Solon Isonomia: SpaceyCat: Cool! An evolution thread to keep me entertained tonight while at work. This is perfect!

As you may have noticed, these always crap out long before they hit the main page. You get your creationist/anti-evolution trolling up front and the extensive counter-arguments fill the rest.

So you're saying that the people who can afford an extra $5 a month are the Christians? Interesting ...

hey guys, thanks for starting ANOTHER evolution thread right before I go to bed.

/farking east coast
//needs to evolve into California

Man On Pink Corner: Wah, wah, wah. Won't the evangelical-activist atheists ever stop whining?

I don't understand why you don't believe that people can believe in God, and simultaneously hold that God could have set in place a process of evolution that we may better ourselves as we go forth and multiply? Are you of the mind that people cannot believe in God and science concurrently? Why must it be that so many ask us to either believe our hearts OR our eyes, as though we lack the imbued capacity to do both? Is it because you fear what would become of us were we to be true to our faith, or because you fear what would become of us if we were to actually become smart enough to understand some fraction of the world we live in?

I dunno whether you're anti-science or anti-religion, but either way, I'm anti-you.