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2009-01-19 08:33:21 PM  
tjfly: And the Holocaust never happened...

Teach the controversy.
 
2009-01-19 08:33:44 PM  
Obama will make the world love us again just like it used to, so no problem.
 
2009-01-19 08:34:21 PM  
PascalsGhost: Iran was VERY close to an internal revolution right before president cockbrain gave the hardliners an enemy with his "Axis of Evil" tour.

Yeah, they were five years away five years ago.

I think moderates in Iran are the future, I find nothing credible at all about the idea that they were as close as you claim.

Honestly, that's not really a claim that could be made by someone without close knowledge of the internal politics of Iran, so I suppose you could have that kind of information.

Enjoy marginalization dicksmoker.

ME BIG AMERICAN STUDMAN!!!

Go suck a dick loser LOL


However, as you appear to be 8 years old, I don't think you do.

/And you're a homphobe "dicksmoker"? Really?
//What if he enjoys sucking dicks, Mr Homphobe?
 
2009-01-19 08:34:22 PM  
x76: Israel must expect other countries to be lying at least as much as they do regarding nuclear energy and weapons.

Wrong. Israel openly admits to having nukes.
 
2009-01-19 08:34:25 PM  
If the Persian Horde gets Da Bomb between 2009 and 2013, they will be able to use it with no worries of U.S. retaliation. Unless they consider hippies jumping up and down and throwing flowers retaliation.
 
2009-01-19 08:36:07 PM  
Biological Ali: tjfly: And the Holocaust never happened...

Teach the controversy.


Que?
 
2009-01-19 08:36:26 PM  
tjfly: Wrong. Israel openly admits to having nukes.

No, actually they don't. Mainly because under U.S. law they would not be eligible for a lot of the foreign aid we give them if they did, from what I've heard.
 
2009-01-19 08:36:52 PM  
jjorsett: Obama will make the world love us again just like it used to, so no problem.

The world's a screwed up place. I am happier when they don't agree with what we're doing.
 
2009-01-19 08:37:06 PM  
jakomo002: So the second Iran gets the bomb, they're off the table, militarily. I mean, that's discounting the fact that their military is far too powerful for the USA to even consider a face-to-face fight. Because you'd lose. And somebody high up knows it.

By far the stupidest post in the history of FARK. They won't be off the table. The nuclear option on our end, however will be closer to the front.

No one benefits from Iran having nukes. Least of all Iran.
 
2009-01-19 08:38:09 PM  
Mnemia: tjfly: Wrong. Israel openly admits to having nukes.

No, actually they don't. Mainly because under U.S. law they would not be eligible for a lot of the foreign aid we give them if they did, from what I've heard.


eek. you are right.
/stands corrected
 
2009-01-19 08:38:58 PM  
I'm almost going to miss the days when President Cheney would dismiss all the accurate information from the CIA as resulting from the CIA's inherent liberal bias, then blame the CIA for all the inaccurate information he demanded of them.

Nah, I won't really. Soon he'll be dead and the whole world will piss on his grave.
 
2009-01-19 08:39:01 PM  
communistsarestupid: jakomo002: So the second Iran gets the bomb, they're off the table, militarily. I mean, that's discounting the fact that their military is far too powerful for the USA to even consider a face-to-face fight. Because you'd lose. And somebody high up knows it.

By far the stupidest post in the history of FARK. They won't be off the table. The nuclear option on our end, however will be closer to the front.

No one benefits from Iran having nukes. Least of all Iran.


More of this.
 
2009-01-19 08:41:25 PM  
It's time for Israel to test one of those nukes that they deny having.
 
2009-01-19 08:42:49 PM  
tjfly: The world's a screwed up place. I am happier when they don't agree with what we're doing.

This is a really short-sighted attitude. America can't go it alone in this dangerous world. In fact, with international terrorism, we need to cooperate with other countries more than ever.
 
2009-01-19 08:43:07 PM  
tjfly: Biological Ali: tjfly: And the Holocaust never happened...

Teach the controversy.

Que?


I assume that your choice of words was intended as a jab at Ahmedinijad's Holocaust denial shenanigans?
 
2009-01-19 08:43:38 PM  
tjfly: Attention whore.
 
2009-01-19 08:43:38 PM  
tofarkornottofark: Well, that remains to be seen, doesn't it?

To rational people with a clue? No. We will never leave Iraq a democracy. In fact, those in power have already accepeted that.

No one knows the outcome, so please don't respond with something negative or claim some rational argument that you can't prove.

LOL, dumbass.

But by your argument you are suggesting that it was ok for these three countries to send money to Iraq and keep Saddam in power, to break the UN charter, and protect their interests? They can't be considered "right" now, can they?

Those aren't the only two options. Saddam was completely contained. Totally. You can't deny it. He was helpless. No power to project any force, terrorism,. nothing.


Also, here's a great statistic:
During the last 5 years of war in Iraq somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 Americans died (just deaths, not injuries).

From automobile accidents.

Staggering, isn't it?

What does it mean? Nothing.


LOL, if that is the best arguemnet you got for going into Iraq, well, you're an idiot.
 
2009-01-19 08:43:39 PM  
tjfly: It's time for Israel to test one of those nukes that they deny having.

You are an anti-Semite for publicly referring to the Mysterious Thing That Protects Israel.
 
2009-01-19 08:43:57 PM  
tjfly: It's time for Israel to test one of those nukes that they deny having.

Test it where, exactly?
 
2009-01-19 08:44:42 PM  
sseye: tjfly: jjorsett: Obama will make the world love us again just like it used to, so no problem.

The world's a screwed up place. I am happier when they don't agree with what we're doing.

the agree worlds you.

/thank god the likes of you didn't wear the big boy underwear until the Cold War was over or we might have managed to lose it


ouch. soviet filter pwned?
 
2009-01-19 08:45:56 PM  
Mnemia:
This is a really short-sighted attitude. America can't go it alone in this dangerous world. In fact, with international terrorism, we need to cooperate with other countries more than ever.


We've never been going it alone. A lot of populist douche rockets would like you to think we are, but we're not.

So you have to ask yourself what strategic goal those other nations achieve.

This is called "thinking."

Try it. It's a little scary at first, but with practice you get used to it.
 
2009-01-19 08:46:07 PM  
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2009-01-19 08:46:15 PM  
communistsarestupid:

No one benefits from Iran having nukes. Least of all Iran.


Y'know I think the Iranians actually realize this. I think one of the fears of an Iranian citizen is the United States "Iraqing" the hell out of them, and I'm sure American cable news doesn't do anything to reassure them. It's like the mainstream of America is all like "gee, Iraq is over, what do we do now?" and what is scary to me is that "pack our shiat up and bring everybody home" is not an option given serious consideration. We are being controlled by fear. And newsmax does not help.
 
2009-01-19 08:46:20 PM  
Slightly above average: PascalsGhost: Iran was VERY close to an internal revolution right before president cockbrain gave the hardliners an enemy with his "Axis of Evil" tour.

Yeah, they were five years away five years ago.

I think moderates in Iran are the future, I find nothing credible at all about the idea that they were as close as you claim.


Then you haven't looked.

Honestly, that's not really a claim that could be made by someone without close basic knowledge of the internal politics of Iran, so I suppose you could have that kind of information.

FTFY

Enjoy marginalization dicksmoker.

ME BIG AMERICAN STUDMAN!!!

Go suck a dick loser LOL

However, as you appear to be 8 years old, I don't think you do.

/And you're a homphobe "dicksmoker"? Really?
//What if he enjoys sucking dicks, Mr Homphobe?



Not a homophobe, balllicker.
 
2009-01-19 08:47:36 PM  
Biological Ali: tjfly: It's time for Israel to test one of those nukes that they deny having.

Test it where, exactly?


Anywhere at all, as long as the weather reports guarantee prevailing winds wash the fallout away from Israel.

So, in other words, Mars.

/on a globe it always washes towards you, dummies
 
2009-01-19 08:47:36 PM  
Persepolis: havaniceday: which the people drink to remember what it was like.

Bwahahahhaha.

You know how most Iranians remember what alcohol was like? By drinking bootleg alcohol that was either smuggled in the country (russian vodak ftw) or brewed out in the boonies.

/I can't wait for reform so I can have some real Shiraz again.


Persian wine was something Iranians used to be proud of. Great grapes, or something.
 
2009-01-19 08:49:38 PM  
i303.photobucket.com
 
2009-01-19 08:49:55 PM  
Zednought: Just stepped in to say that I really appreciate and admire most of Persepolis' posts. When I lived in Japan I had a dozen or so Iranians I could call 'friend' and a few were and have been pretty close buddies. Most were expats due to their 'rulers' and some were just out to make some cash, but we in America seriously underrate them as possible allies and pretty cool people all around. I imagine going to war with Iran would be a bigger fark up than Iraq, and that a bit of patience, and true state-craft, could earn us some real friends in the region, and the Iranians would be some great friends to have again. We just need to get rid of the mindset as portrayed in 'Confessions of an Economic Hitman' and the collective resentments concerning the hostage situation there nearly 30 years ago. Their system will collapse eventually, the mullahs will be removed, and life will go on.

This.
 
2009-01-19 08:50:12 PM  
so we have a large military prescence in countries on either side of iran, and like american leaders iranian leaders always have to have something to campaign on. im not losing sleep over this.
 
2009-01-19 08:52:17 PM  
havaniceday: communistsarestupid:

No one benefits from Iran having nukes. Least of all Iran.

Y'know I think the Iranians actually realize this. I think one of the fears of an Iranian citizen is the United States "Iraqing" the hell out of them, and I'm sure American cable news doesn't do anything to reassure them. It's like the mainstream of America is all like "gee, Iraq is over, what do we do now?" and what is scary to me is that "pack our shiat up and bring everybody home" is not an option given serious consideration. We are being controlled by fear. And newsmax does not help.


Maybe the Iranians realize this. But their government of Zealots is the one in control. The fear is not of what the Iranians might do with that power. It's what the Ayatollahs which will have that power will do with it. Even though the consequences are clear what will happen. Sometimes I even think that their Anti-American Sentiment is directly due to the fact that we are perhaps the only thing keeping them from nuking israel. It's hard to tell.
 
2009-01-19 08:54:46 PM  
wolvernova: I imagine going to war with Iran would be a bigger fark up than Iraq, and that a bit of patience, and true state-craft, could earn us some real friends in the region, and the Iranians would be some great friends to have again.

Going to war with Iran would come with it's own set of consequences but you're just going to have to go ahead and face reality that there's a lot of people that simply are not interested in being our friend. Nor should we change our ideological bent in order to win them.
 
2009-01-19 08:57:44 PM  
YouPeopleAreCrazy: Silovik: Who cares, Israel will take out Iran's nuclear capability when it is needed.

They can't do that without full, complete, and most importantly, public support of the US.

You can't get from Israel to Iran and back without crossing either Iraq, or various Arab countries.
And it is too far for an unrefueled F-16 mission, so they'd have to use their KC-130 tankers.

F-16 strike, F-15 air cover, KC-130 tankers...maybe some SAR assets. Impossible to hide.

You cannot take a full strike force across Iraq without the US knowing, and allowing.


No argument here, America has complete coverage of the ME airspace. Israel would either take the Saudi/Jordan border or around Turkey and America would be aware, as would the other arab countries. The arab states would easily allow this and cry murder afterwords, America might go for it.

America would also be aware of the dolphin class subs in gulf if they were used to hit targets in southern Iran.

f-15s have the range and ordnance to hit the targets and some limited engagement with Iranian MiG-29s et al. They would probably people able to go into American air bases in Iraq if needed.

retaliation would be immediate and be directed at America as well.

But if anyone would do it under these conditions, Israel would.
 
2009-01-19 09:01:57 PM  
communistsarestupid: We've never been going it alone. A lot of populist douche rockets would like you to think we are, but we're not.

So you have to ask yourself what strategic goal those other nations achieve.

This is called "thinking."

Try it. It's a little scary at first, but with practice you get used to it.


I was just taking issue with his asinine statement: "The world's a screwed up place. I am happier when they don't agree with what we're doing." I wasn't saying we're "going it alone".
 
2009-01-19 09:03:03 PM  
communistsarestupid: wolvernova: I imagine going to war with Iran would be a bigger fark up than Iraq, and that a bit of patience, and true state-craft, could earn us some real friends in the region, and the Iranians would be some great friends to have again.

Going to war with Iran would come with it's own set of consequences but you're just going to have to go ahead and face reality that there's a lot of people that simply are not interested in being our friend. Nor should we change our ideological bent in order to win them.


I'm not sure what you mean by "ideological bent", if you mean initiating a military campaign without sufficient evidence, like was done in Iraq, then I have to disagree. I really think that the entire U.S. foreign policy as a whole could stand for a new injection of ideals.
 
2009-01-19 09:04:34 PM  
Mnemia:
Iran will never nuke Israel. Never. They care about their own self-preservation, and there is no reason to believe that MAD will not apply to them somehow.

The scary thing about nukes is that a small set of people make the decisions about using them, and MAD assumes that those people act rationally.

From reading the news, it seems that there is a clear penchant for personal martyrdom in this crowd, and also a willingness to sacrifice fairly large numbers of innocents in attacks.

I see no reason to believe that this does not extend to the scale of accepting city-wide martyrdom. I can see why you think this, but in my mind, no, MAD does not necessarily apply.

On the one hand, people have the right to provide themselves with elecricity, but I dearly hope the world is doing everything it can to stop / delay wacky theocracies from getting nukes, hypocrisy be damned.
 
2009-01-19 09:05:38 PM  
havaniceday:
I'm not sure what you mean by "ideological bent", if you mean initiating a military campaign without sufficient evidence, like was done in Iraq, then I have to disagree. I really think that the entire U.S. foreign policy as a whole could stand for a new injection of ideals.


WMD were not the whole of the argument for invading Iraq. While I agree there was a degree of misdirection, Iraq was neccesary. and had been put off for far too long.
 
2009-01-19 09:06:29 PM  
PascalsGhost: tofarkornottofark: Well, that remains to be seen, doesn't it?

To rational people with a clue? No. We will never leave Iraq a democracy. In fact, those in power have already accepeted that.


Which people? You mean the Iraqi government?


No one knows the outcome, so please don't respond with something negative or claim some rational argument that you can't prove.

LOL, dumbass.


Good response! Makes you seem really intelligent!


But by your argument you are suggesting that it was ok for these three countries to send money to Iraq and keep Saddam in power, to break the UN charter, and protect their interests? They can't be considered "right" now, can they?

Those aren't the only two options. Saddam was completely contained. Totally. You can't deny it. He was helpless. No power to project any force, terrorism,. nothing.


Well, you keep on avoiding answers. The question was: how can these countries be right when they are doing wrong by the rest of the world's standards? If it's ok for you that this is what they were doing then doesn't that further debase the UN? The point is: had they not been hypocritical thieves what do you think their voting resolution would have been? I would hazard a guess that they would have voted YES! because they would reap the benefits later. Funny how the world works. Thanks for answering the question, though.


Also, here's a great statistic:
During the last 5 years of war in Iraq somewhere in the neighborhood of 200,000 Americans died (just deaths, not injuries).

From automobile accidents.

Staggering, isn't it?

What does it mean? Nothing.

LOL, if that is the best arguemnet you got for going into Iraq, well, you're an idiot.


Well, it isn't really, but the value of life is always an interesting topic. We can't stop 40,000 people a year dying in our own country from car crashes. It's amazing, isn't it?
 
2009-01-19 09:11:58 PM  
These guys are doing a bang up job.
 
2009-01-19 09:13:39 PM  
i75.photobucket.com
 
2009-01-19 09:14:10 PM  
communistsarestupid: havaniceday:
I'm not sure what you mean by "ideological bent", if you mean initiating a military campaign without sufficient evidence, like was done in Iraq, then I have to disagree. I really think that the entire U.S. foreign policy as a whole could stand for a new injection of ideals.

WMD were not the whole of the argument for invading Iraq. While I agree there was a degree of misdirection, Iraq was neccesary. and had been put off for far too long.


how did the Bush administration garner enough support to invade Iraq? It took a huge degree of misdirection toward the American people to get enough support to follow through. If we hadn't been "misdirected" i.e. lied to, that support wouldn't have been there. It is not ok that the government did this.
 
2009-01-19 09:21:51 PM  
havaniceday:
how did the Bush administration garner enough support to invade Iraq? It took a huge degree of misdirection toward the American people to get enough support to follow through. If we hadn't been "misdirected" i.e. lied to, that support wouldn't have been there. It is not ok that the government did this.


The government is not obliged to provide full disclosure to the public. The removal of hussein was deemed nessisary by previous administrations and the use of force authorized and carried out. Is the best you can come up with that a politician lied?

A biatchildish don't you think?
 
2009-01-19 09:29:33 PM  
I think N. Korea would be more of a threat. Sure both leaders are batshait crazy, but Kim Jong-Il is also senile...and a zombie so has little to loose while Ahmadinejad is a politician of an oil rich nation and will have problems lining his pockets with oil money if he starts nuking people.
 
2009-01-19 09:37:42 PM  
PascalsGhost: Slightly above average: PascalsGhost: Iran was VERY close to an internal revolution right before president cockbrain gave the hardliners an enemy with his "Axis of Evil" tour.

Yeah, they were five years away five years ago.

I think moderates in Iran are the future, I find nothing credible at all about the idea that they were as close as you claim.

Then you haven't looked.

Honestly, that's not really a claim that could be made by someone without close basic knowledge of the internal politics of Iran, so I suppose you could have that kind of information.

FTFY

Enjoy marginalization dicksmoker.

ME BIG AMERICAN STUDMAN!!!

Go suck a dick loser LOL

However, as you appear to be 8 years old, I don't think you do.

/And you're a homphobe "dicksmoker"? Really?
//What if he enjoys sucking dicks, Mr Homphobe?


Not a homophobe, balllicker.


You're pathetic.

Not in a "online troll" way, but a "I just advertised that I'm a bigot and am too stupid to realize it" way.

It's only an insult because you're a homphobe, you moron.

/ignored so I am spared your stupid response
//self hatred is disgusting, just come out already guy
 
2009-01-19 09:37:42 PM  
rodeofrog: Shaggy_C: At least our new president will try to talk to them before sadly continuing our policy of 'blow up the brown people' if they step out of line.

Yes. Talk to the crazies before we do all that stuff.


If nothing else, it gives us credibility.
 
2009-01-19 09:40:41 PM  
OH NOES! IT'S THE END OF THE REPUBLIC! COLLECT AMMO AND CANNED GOODS AND HEAD FOR A BUNKER IN OREGON!
 
2009-01-19 09:41:06 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus: maxwellhauser: What does IKEA have to do with nuclear arms?

Well luck for us they never ship the tool need to put together the nuke!


Or else it will have too many of Screw #3 and not enough of Part A.

So Iran will have "A NUKE". B-F-D.
 
2009-01-19 09:44:51 PM  
Stuff your lies you ignant crakas

Obama's arrivin tomarry!

/oooo you gonna be so sad, little chickenhawks
 
2009-01-19 09:45:18 PM  
Slightly above average: You're pathetic.

Not in a "online troll" way, but a "I just advertised that I'm a bigot and am too stupid to realize it" way.

It's only an insult because you're a homphobe, you moron.

/ignored so I am spared your stupid response
//self hatred is disgusting, just come out already guy.



LOL, I love little fairies who think their gayness makes them too special to pick on. I happily live, play, and work around teh gheys daily. I love em. I just avoid the ones without a sense fo humor.

Notice I said nothing about teh gheys, you just extrapolated it. You're a special little gay guy and daddy is sorry honey.


tofarkornottofark
Which people? You mean the Iraqi government?

LOL, are you suggesting Iraq has a functional, free, democractic government? cause you need to doa littel reading son.

Well, you keep on avoiding answers. The question was: how can these countries be right when they are doing wrong by the rest of the world's standards? If it's ok for you that this is what they were doing then doesn't that further debase the UN? The point is: had they not been hypocritical thieves what do you think their voting resolution would have been? I would hazard a guess that they would have voted YES! because they would reap the benefits later. Funny how the world works. Thanks for answering the question, though.

And the answer is pretty simple unless you have a morons black and white mindset, which I think you might.

They can be wrong about milking the sanctions for money, and be totally correct in warning us not to invade.

In fact, history has proven this to everybody but a few remaining idiots. Even the half intelligent right wingers realize that Iraq was a horrible mistake. Its not over either.
 
2009-01-19 09:46:14 PM  
Can we get an EPICFAIL tag?
 
2009-01-19 09:48:13 PM  
PascalsGhost: Enjoy marginalization dicksmoker.

Wow. You must be kinda new here. Name calling sets your credibility rating to 0. Homophobic name calling confirms your first gay experience was enjoyable, but you're too embarrassed to admit it.
 
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