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(Breitbart.com)   "Starbuck -- Lost in Castration": Dirk Benedict reveals how he fought the network suits and finally pulled off one of the finest character portrayals in history. With a straight face, no less   (bighollywood.breitbart.com) divider line 154
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2009-01-19 05:40:46 PM
DamnYankees: .

Do you know why Richard Hatch did this?

You should go look it up..

Quick version: He tried to get Galactica back on it's feet... whipe the crappy sequel (Galactica 1980) from existance, and continue the saga. He wasn't able to and got kicked around so badly that he was left with no self respect. When they did the "new" show, someone wanted from the old show so to bring in the old crowd. He accepted because while he knew that the shark had been jumped over the moon with this show, there would never be a chance to do it right, that this would be the only way that he would maybe get some of the original storylines to be brought in within this new show... as far as I know, he didn't much of this done if any of it.
 
2009-01-19 05:41:38 PM
Mugato: Yeah, the kid from Home Alone has C-cups. You homo.

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2009-01-19 05:44:07 PM
imfallen_angel: It was not a Star Wars ripoff either

Are you serious?
 
2009-01-19 05:46:56 PM
imfallen_angel: Sorry, but I just can't get into the new version because it is NOT Battlestar Galactica... they should have just called it something else, it's a whiny soap/war opera.

The REAL BG had heart and points to made.

It was not a Star Wars ripoff either, it just came out during the same time frame, but had been in development way before the SW movies came out. Sure they used the special effects technology that was available at the time, that's like today with CGI, of course you'll get movies that have similar special effects. Heck, Star Trek hired the Babylon 5 guys to do their CGI, so would you say that Star Trek was a B5 ripoff?

For me Starbuck will always be "male", and this new show, if you like it, good for you, but what they call a "re-imagining" is not, it's a soap opera that could have been set in just about any space setting, or even planet bought (using boats or submarines, etc...)

The fact remains, this thing called Galactica, is not what the REAL story is.

Go read the books, etc. about what the real BG is about before you think that you need to defend your fapping material so hard.

But today's generation won't get this, so flame away.

/yeah yeah, the lawn thing... off of it.


I'm 40 years old, and I think you're nuts. The original BSG was cheesy 70s claptrap. I find it amusing on a B-movie level, but it is embarrassing in comparison to the new one.

In 20 years, when people refer to "Battlestar Galactica," they'll be talking about the 2000s version, not the one-year 1970s show.
 
2009-01-19 05:48:33 PM
imfallen_angel: The REAL BG had heart and points to made.

Er... yeah... because the new BSG is completely soulless and never touches on serious issues.
 
2009-01-19 05:53:59 PM
Confabulat: I'm 40 years old, and I think you're nuts. The original BSG was cheesy 70s claptrap.

And in 20 years from now, probably the same will be said of the 2000 version.
 
2009-01-19 05:56:42 PM
imfallen_angel: Confabulat: I'm 40 years old, and I think you're nuts. The original BSG was cheesy 70s claptrap.

And in 20 years from now, probably the same will be said of the 2000 version.


Not at all. Lots of 60s and 70s shows still hold up as serious sci-fi today, including "The Prisoner," "Twilight Zone," and the better episodes of the original "Star Trek."

The 70s "BSG" was just silly from beginning to end. Casino planet? Robot doggie?

That was silly even in the 1970s.
 
2009-01-19 05:58:07 PM
Fish in a Barrel: imfallen_angel: The REAL BG had heart and points to made.

Er... yeah... because the new BSG is completely soulless and never touches on serious issues.


It tries to take today's issues and subject them to you via a soap script.

I tried watching it a few times and I just don't like it, it's so freaking cheesy that insist upon itself.

Just like "Lost" and such shows... they aren't dramas, they are soap operas, where each week they try to pull something more "extreme" to shock you.... the whole "Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! I never saw THAT coming (for the umpteen time)" has already jumped the shark... the moment I see this instead of good writing of a good story, I flip the channel or put in a DVD.
 
2009-01-19 05:59:27 PM
Confabulat: That was silly even in the 1970s.

Silly enough the be given a "reboot"?

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2009-01-19 06:00:58 PM
The word "soap opera."

I don't think you know what it means.
 
2009-01-19 06:02:26 PM
Which part of that teddy bear was serious, insightful, and non-cheesy?
 
2009-01-19 06:03:50 PM
i've tried to watch this show. can't get into it. but jebus...dirk...bitter much? just 'cause starbuck has a innie instead of an outie?
 
2009-01-19 06:04:00 PM
fark me - is fark greenlighting articles and postings from something written OVER 5 YEARS AGO!?!?!?!111!
 
2009-01-19 06:05:30 PM
So, to sum up:
*Women should only play damsels in distress with no courage or toughness or inner life at all (just like real women.)

*Benedict playing a hacky, cliched character in one show after another is somehow good acting.

* Moral ambiguity in art and literature is like, totatlly lame. White hats should shoot the black hats and win at the end of every hour long show, just like the scenarios little boys play-out when they're eight and playing with their toys.

* Dirk Benedict is terried of hot chicks who don't say "yes sir" and "no sir".



Also, this:

One thing is certain. In the new un-imagined, re-imagined world of "Battlestar Galactica" everything is female driven. The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak and wracked with indecision, while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp!) and not about to take it any more

is just flat-out untrue. Both the men and women are equal parts bold, decisive, confused, weak and angry as well. I'm seriously wondering if he's ever even seen the show before.
 
2009-01-19 06:06:24 PM
EvilEgg: SpinStopper: In the spirit of such soft-core, sci-fi porn I think a more re-imaginative title would have been "F**cked by A Cylon." - Dirk Benedict

At least three of the Cylons would be great sexbots.


Really I see potential for 4 the Tori S&M bot could be brought out for special occasions
 
2009-01-19 06:07:50 PM
imfallen_angel: Sorry, but I just can't get into the new version because it is NOT Battlestar Galactica... they should have just called it something else, it's a whiny soap/war opera.

The REAL BG had heart and points to made.

It was not a Star Wars ripoff either, it just came out during the same time frame, but had been in development way before the SW movies came out. Sure they used the special effects technology that was available at the time, that's like today with CGI, of course you'll get movies that have similar special effects. Heck, Star Trek hired the Babylon 5 guys to do their CGI, so would you say that Star Trek was a B5 ripoff?

For me Starbuck will always be "male", and this new show, if you like it, good for you, but what they call a "re-imagining" is not, it's a soap opera that could have been set in just about any space setting, or even planet bought (using boats or submarines, etc...)

The fact remains, this thing called Galactica, is not what the REAL story is.

Go read the books, etc. about what the real BG is about before you think that you need to defend your fapping material so hard.

But today's generation won't get this, so flame away.

/yeah yeah, the lawn thing... off of it.


Tell, me more about the good old days, grandpa! We kids have no concept of "good" and "evil", we need to have our lessons taught to us in the most simplistic ways possible! (You know, like we're all eight years old.)
 
2009-01-19 06:08:54 PM
Again - before you guys go off bashing Dirk Benedict with "OMFG KaTee IZ teh AweSome!!!1 DirK iz teh cRYbabeee suXXorz!!!"- rants, PLEASE keep in mind that this was written around the time of the miniseries (2003) and even before he had even seen an episode, IIRC. In fact, as a previous poster had pointed out, his own website gives the show ridiculously high praise.

So - keep it in context, and remember, this is just Breitbart.com going for linkbait by posting something about a poplar show, BSG.
 
2009-01-19 06:09:32 PM
Confabulat: In 20 years, when people refer to "Battlestar Galactica," they'll be talking about the 2000s version, not the one-year 1970s show.

Exactly. Unfortunately, stupid people prefer velveeta to gouda.
 
2009-01-19 06:11:01 PM
Walt_Jizzney: PLEASE keep in mind that this was written around the time of the miniseries (2003) and even before he had even seen an episode, IIRC.

Then why would he tell us what the female characters are like or what the stories are like if he's never even seen the show? What a douche.
 
2009-01-19 06:19:54 PM
it's been 20+ years since Dirk Benedict had a part anyone talked about
 
2009-01-19 06:20:58 PM
Walt_Jizzney: Again - before you guys go off bashing Dirk Benedict with "OMFG KaTee IZ teh AweSome!!!1 DirK iz teh cRYbabeee suXXorz!!!"- rants, PLEASE keep in mind that this was written around the time of the miniseries (2003) and even before he had even seen an episode, IIRC. In fact, as a previous poster had pointed out, his own website gives the show ridiculously high praise.

So - keep it in context, and remember, this is just Breitbart.com going for linkbait by posting something about a poplar show, BSG.


OK, now that you mention it I think I remember hearing about this rant. It's dated May 2004 at the bottom of his site. So it was a couple months before season 1. Lame Breitbart. Lame.
 
2009-01-19 06:23:07 PM
Douche Benedict.

Why the frak would he complain about something he had only heard of, and hadn't actually seen?

Is he a farker or something?
 
2009-01-19 06:23:15 PM
Remember that great episode from the classic show, where these kids riding unicorns and wearing feather armor, were kicking the cylons ass?
How was this show ever canceled?
 
2009-01-19 06:24:10 PM
I am at an impasse.


I liked the old Starbuck.
I like the new Starbuck.
I liked the old BSG.
I like the new BSG.



Wait.

Actually, life is good. Hooray!
 
2009-01-19 06:24:44 PM
He got one thing right:

FTFA: "Men hand out cigars. Women "hand out" babies."

I KEEED I KEEED!!!
 
2009-01-19 06:25:57 PM
imfallen_angel: DamnYankees: .

Do you know why Richard Hatch did this?

You should go look it up..

Quick version: He tried to get Galactica back on it's feet... whipe the crappy sequel (Galactica 1980) from existance, and continue the saga. He wasn't able to and got kicked around so badly that he was left with no self respect. When they did the "new" show, someone wanted from the old show so to bring in the old crowd. He accepted because while he knew that the shark had been jumped over the moon with this show, there would never be a chance to do it right, that this would be the only way that he would maybe get some of the original storylines to be brought in within this new show... as far as I know, he didn't much of this done if any of it.


I'd say [citation needed] but I doubted that you'd reply, so I did a bit of lurking around on richardhatch.com to see what he thought of the new BSG, only to run across what he said about the original BSG:

Battlestar Galactica was cancelled after just one season. What was your reaction to this? Why do you think it was killed off so swiftly?

Believe it or not, as much as I loved the Battlestar Story and the actors, producers and writers who worked on it I was still extremely frustrated with where the series seemed to be heading. I truly believed we had a incredible cast and wonderfully moving storyline. But I just felt we didn't get enough into the core journey or survival and finding a new homeland. I now know that this was the fault of the networks for the most part and not the producers and writers of our show.


So no... not everyone shared the opinion that the original BSG was all that great.

When asked about the new BSG and his Tom Zarek role:

Complex multi leveled conflicted characters are and actors delight. So often characters are written one-dimensionally, but in the new Battlestar series every character is given a lot to work with. I believe that's why the new series is doing so well so quickly. Whether you're a fan of the original series, re-imagined version or both you can't deny that this new series is quality science fiction! That's why so many dedicated fans to the original are reluctant converts to the new series. And I'm the same way I truly love the original series and back story, but this new re-imagined version is so well acted, written and produced that you can't help but fall in love with it. And yes, I do believe my character is coming back in the upcoming second series.


Just a FYI.
 
2009-01-19 06:27:50 PM
BTW, Benedict is from BFE, Montana, and lives on a ranch or something up there still. Also, for the guy who was asking if he was near death, he had prostate cancer but did some crazy homeo-stupid magic thing and cured it himself, supposedly.

IOW, Face is all kinds of weird. He just wants women to be women, men to be men, and the sheep to be scared.
 
2009-01-19 06:43:49 PM
Walt_Jizzney: . In fact, as a previous poster had pointed out, his own website gives the show ridiculously high praise.

Link to said praise?
 
2009-01-19 06:44:14 PM
Walt_Jizzney: Again - before you guys go off bashing Dirk Benedict with "OMFG KaTee IZ teh AweSome!!!1 DirK iz teh cRYbabeee suXXorz!!!"- rants, PLEASE keep in mind that this was written around the time of the miniseries (2003) and even before he had even seen an episode, IIRC. In fact, as a previous poster had pointed out, his own website gives the show ridiculously high praise.

So - keep it in context, and remember, this is just Breitbart.com going for linkbait by posting something about a poplar show, BSG.




Thanks for the heads up. I was wondering why he was acting like such a huge Wentz even though he was in the new series.

/BSG - best show on TV
 
2009-01-19 06:47:41 PM
Ooops, got him mixed up with Richard Hatch as far as being in the new series. Frak.
 
2009-01-19 06:49:35 PM
Walt_Jizzney: Again - before you guys go off bashing Dirk Benedict with "OMFG KaTee IZ teh AweSome!!!1 DirK iz teh cRYbabeee suXXorz!!!"- rants, PLEASE keep in mind that this was written around the time of the miniseries (2003) and even before he had even seen an episode, IIRC. In fact, as a previous poster had pointed out, his own website gives the show ridiculously high praise.

Ok, I won't rip on him for that. Can I rip on him for things like this?

Dirk Benedict: Men hand out cigars. Women "hand out" babies. And thus the world for thousands of years has gone' round.

Or how about:

Dirk Benedict: Poor old Starbuck, you were imagined too early. Think of the fun you could have had 'fighting' with these thong-clad aliens!) In the spirit of such soft-core, sci-fi porn I think a more re-imaginative title would have been "F**cked by A Cylon." (Apologies to "Touched by an Angel.")

Or, knowing that his own website later raves about the show, what does that say about this little passage:

Dirk Benedict: So grab a Coke from the fridge (not the Classic Coke, but the re-imagined kind with fewer calories) and send out for a McDonald's hamburger (the re-imagined one with fewer carbs), and tune in to Stardoe and Cylon #6 (or was it #69?) and Enjoy the Show.

And if you don't enjoy the show, or the hamburger and coke, it's not the fault of those re-imaginative technocrats that brought them to you. It is your fault. You and your individual instincts, tastes and judgment - your refusal to let go of the memory of the show that once was. You just don't know what is good for you. But stay tuned. After another 13 episodes (and millions of dollars of marketing), you will see the light. You, your instincts, your judgment, are wrong.


So does that mean that in the end, he fell victim to the same feminized, mob mentality that he assures us is RUINING everything?
 
2009-01-19 06:52:15 PM
Eh. Whether the result is good or bad, its hard not to be cynical about the whole "But *our* Starbuck is a sexy girl! Watch our show!" thing.
 
2009-01-19 07:12:08 PM
Nuuu: Or, knowing that his own website later raves about the show, what does that say about this little passage:


I can't find ANYTHING on his site that praises the new show, or even mentions it (apart from the 2002 article, which he reposted in 2006 and still links to on the main page).
 
2009-01-19 07:28:30 PM
Dirk was part of the original promotion of the new Galactica. It was supposed to be funny that he and Katie were at a Starbucks. He even laid a cheesy line on us about a Starbuck buying a Starbuck's for a Starbuck no less. He didn't seem to have any problem with the new Galactica until his mortal enemy Richard Hatch got a role on the new show. Then it's all about emasculating Starbuck, the new show is crap, etc.

I think his big freakout is/was just a more venomous version of what Shatner has been doing recently. They rebooted the old show, gave a role to a rival and wouldn't give one to him.

I like the new show. Dark as hell though.
 
2009-01-19 07:28:52 PM
Mayhem_2006: Eh. Whether the result is good or bad, its hard not to be cynical about the whole "But *our* Starbuck is a sexy girl! Watch our show!" thing.

You actually think Starbuck's characterization had anything to do with sex in the new series?

She has it. That's about as far as it goes. She's a stronger persona/more manly then most of the men on the show. That's not what your typical audience wants in a sexy female character.

And that site... was pretty disgusting. The bigotry, hate and most of all fear in a lot of those comments and the article were mind blowing.
 
2009-01-19 07:43:07 PM
Bryseeayo:
And that site... was pretty disgusting. The bigotry, hate and most of all fear in a lot of those comments and the article were mind blowing.


Here's a quote from a more recent interview, found here. He seems to be kind of a dick.

"Re-make the A-Team? Well, you certainly couldn't make the same show today. It will have to be re-imagined. And you'd better be sitting down 'cuz I'm sure it will be very different from the original series. It will be as unrecognisable from the original as the BSG redux is from the old show. Re-imagination is a wonderful thing. Probably be four girls. Hannah-bull. Facial Girl, Howling Mad Mary Duque and ..Big Ass Baracus. One of the A-Team members will probably be the bad guy.I mean girl. And I'm sure it won't be humorous. Re-imagination will require it be violent. Violence is in. As is swearing. Lots of expletives. They certainly can't do what they did with Starsky and Hutch though, because you can't make fun of a show that made fun of itself. I just hope they offer me a cameo."
 
2009-01-19 07:55:18 PM
"The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak and wracked with indecision, while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp!) and not about to take it any more."

What's funny about this quote is that he's describing almost every action movie/tv show for the last 18 years or so. Kinda started in '79 with Ripley in Alien, and went into high gear with Ripley again in Aliens (and Sarah Connor in T2). Started to become a cliché around Xena and Buffy. The reason I think it's funny is because I think every director/producer/writer of the hot chick as superhero babe was and still is convinced they're the only one clever enough to come up with the idea of a 98lb hot model single-handedly beating up all the 200lb guys in the bar. Yeah, the audience will never see that coming. I guess my point is DIRK, the formula you're biatching about has been around almost as long as some of the actors on the BSG. Where've you been?
 
2009-01-19 08:18:28 PM
One thing is certain. In the new un-imagined, re-imagined world of "Battlestar Galactica" everything is female driven. The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak and wracked with indecision, while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp!) and not about to take it any more

Wait, I forget, who decided to try against all odds to save the people lost on New Caprica and pulled off one of the most amazing battle scenes I ever saw that had me jumping on the couch going "YES YES YES HOLY SHIAT I CAN'T BELIEVE HE JUST DID THAT!"

Oh, yeah, it was Bill Adama. Sorry, Dirk, but you are nothing but a C-List, bad Sci-Fi actor. Enjoy the fact that you still have a job on the convention circuit and try not to speak up too much.
 
2009-01-19 08:19:01 PM
FTFA:

"Hans Solo."

Yes, he said Hans. And he wonders how he could possibly be out of touch with things...

Who is this Dick Benedict anyway?
 
2009-01-19 08:21:08 PM
I remember seeing the original BSG pilot once. It was incredibly campy and lame. Then again most 70's and 80's was like that.
 
2009-01-19 08:22:39 PM
Sybarite: One thing is certain. In the new un-imagined, re-imagined world of "Battlestar Galactica" everything is female driven. The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak and wracked with indecision, while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp!) and not about to take it any more.

Yes, none of the female characters in BSG suffer from any kind of intellectual, spiritual or emotional crises.


That's a particularly funny statement considering that in the last episode, Rosalyn burned her holy book and sank into suicidal despair, Dee blew her brains out so that she would never have to feel despair again, Starbuck was traumatized by discovering her own corpse, and Deana demanded to remain on a destroyed earth so she could "die with her ancestors.

In the end, it was Saul Tigh, the most beaten down character on the show, who pulled it all together by dragging Adama out of his despair.
 
2009-01-19 08:35:56 PM
So, in fact, the original series was a work of art and the new series is the hack attempt to capitalize on a pro-sci-fi entertainment climate... the reality distortion field is strong with this one.
 
2009-01-19 08:38:48 PM
limboslam: "The male characters, from Adama on down, are confused, weak and wracked with indecision, while the female characters are decisive, bold, angry as hell, puffing cigars (gasp!) and not about to take it any more."


I've heard that about BSG before and isn't completely without merit. But just now it occurred to me that the exact opposite occurred in last weeks episode, The Adama boys are pulling together, Bill militarily and Lee politically meanwhile Laura's locked in her room literally burning her bible and Dee put a gun to her head. Deanna's planted her ass on the beach and is waiting to die and Kara's getting ready to become an even bigger drama queen than she usually is... and that's saying something.
 
2009-01-19 09:00:25 PM
Sparkimus Prime: Hell, I'd be upset to if the recast my role with Macaulay Culkin.


This is that boy from Home Alone, right?


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2009-01-19 09:22:32 PM
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2009-01-19 09:29:51 PM
Meh. I was neutral to BG in its original incarnation (it was ok, but I was only about 4-5 years old, so anything other than cartoons on Saturday morning was just ok)

Personally? I think the new BG, minus some of the Baltar-as-Jesus and whinging, rocks. It's deep, has a complex-ish story, and it's not (as someone mentioned) a black/white good guy vs. bad guy story. I'm curious about how they tie the series up, with all of the chaos they introduced in the last two episodes (the last of 4.0, and first of 4.5)
 
2009-01-19 09:41:34 PM
Walt_Jizzney: fark me - is fark greenlighting articles and postings from something written OVER 5 YEARS AGO!?!?!?!111!

THIS!

My God, this was quite the controversy during Bush's first term.


/amateurs
 
2009-01-19 10:04:20 PM
bobug: Baltar-as-Jesus

I always thought he had more of an Abraham vibe.
 
2009-01-19 10:19:42 PM
Walt_Jizzney: fark me - is fark greenlighting articles and postings from something written OVER 5 YEARS AGO!?!?!?!111!

THIS
 
2009-01-19 10:22:52 PM
BlackPete: Just a FYI.

Hey, it's easy to see why he said those things...

I actually followed BG and what followed, most articles and interviews I've read and seen aren't online.

And you paid attention, the first part you pasted is very close to what I said: He didn't like the direction the show was taking, and he later realized that it had to do with the network exec. It's one thing to attempt to flame me, but did you find the part where he might have mentioned how much he worked on trying to revive the show, changing the way it ended so to get back to the real storyline it was supposed to have?

The guy lobbied for years, attempted everything he could, but the networks didn't budge.

And for his opinion for the new show... again, as I've stated, it was the ONLY way that he'd get to be part of it, and after everything he's been through, who can blame him to say whatever it takes to stay on board.

All I'm saying is that for years, he had a vision for the show... he couldn't make it happen, someone else did, so he's making the most of it.

I'm not going to say that he sold out, but that he settled, as he didn't have any other choice... aside just not being part of it.

Like I said, flame me all you want, but the fact remains, this story/version is NOT Battlestar Galactica, it could be just any other space story, the ships and everyone could have different names and it would be the same show.

Similar to what I'd say they did with Macross and Robotech, but at least, that one actually works fairly well.
 
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