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(Sports by Brooks)   The Univ. of Tennessee football coaching staff features a defensive coordinator making $2M , a defensive line coach making $600,000 and a coach without a job description making $150,000   (sportsbybrooks.com) divider line 39
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2009-01-16 04:30:57 PM
And tuition costs are going up...
 
2009-01-16 04:50:41 PM
The numbers are ridiculous outside the immediate family, too. Ed Orgeron, defensive line coach, will make $600,000.

I wonder how much of that is raised by Ole Miss booster clubs to keep him there?
 
2009-01-16 05:05:34 PM
UNC_Samurai: The numbers are ridiculous outside the immediate family, too. Ed Orgeron, defensive line coach, will make $600,000.

I wonder how much of that is raised by Ole Miss booster clubs to keep him there?


Oregeron isn't being hired to call plays. He's being hired to recruit, and if his past recruiting efforts at USC and Ole Miss are any indication, if he can replicate that success at UT, the boosters will be more than happy to pay that salary.
 
2009-01-16 05:12:37 PM
Behind the scenes with Tennessee recruiting. (new window)

Is it September yet? Go Vols!
 
2009-01-16 05:55:00 PM
UNC_Samurai: I wonder how much of that is raised by Ole Miss booster clubs to keep him there?

The Rebels success this year is the direct result of Coach O's recruiting coupled with unique ability of Houston Nutt to know when he can walk into a stacked deck of cards.

If anything, Ole Miss boosters should be praising him.
 
2009-01-16 05:57:55 PM
And every Volunteer fan will be happy as hell they're getting paid that much as long as they win.
 
2009-01-16 06:21:27 PM
Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

I agree. It's sickening. I still can't get over how I keep hearing about players that are signing new multi-million dollar contracts. It's just disappointed. But then again, I am clearly in the wrong line of work.

Hell if they fired all those people and put the money to research, you could make a lot of professors really REALLY happy.
 
2009-01-16 06:47:52 PM
Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

Canadian Canuck: Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

I agree. It's sickening. I still can't get over how I keep hearing about players that are signing new multi-million dollar contracts. It's just disappointed. But then again, I am clearly in the wrong line of work.

Hell if they fired all those people and put the money to research, you could make a lot of professors really REALLY happy.


Does it make you feel any better to know the football program actually contributes monry to the university and not the other way around? When 104,000+ people show up every saturday to watch a team play, the revenue more than pays for the team. The extra goes to academics.

That whole article is silly. Kiffin will be one of the lower-paid head coaches in the conference. I really don't get all the faux outrage.
 
2009-01-16 06:49:11 PM
How much SbB is paying Drew to keep greenlighting these crappy links is what I wanna know...
 
2009-01-16 06:54:14 PM
Dubai Vol: The extra goes to academics the rest of the athletic department.

FTFY.

Football's definitely a cash cow, but the overwhelming majority of that money is spent on Title IX compliance and other non-revenue producing sports. Very little actually gets back to academia.
 
2009-01-16 06:56:00 PM
Can't wait to read this one... anybody got a non-SbB link?
In the meantime, please sign Epiphany's polite petition requesting Drew to hold SbB links to an absolute minimum.
http://www.petitiononline.com/f8f8f8f8/petition.html
 
2009-01-16 07:04:07 PM
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Dubai Vol: The extra goes to academics the rest of the athletic department.

FTFY.

Football's definitely a cash cow, but the overwhelming majority of that money is spent on Title IX compliance and other non-revenue producing sports. Very little actually gets back to academia.


Point is, the football program is a net revenue source. Complaining that tuition is going up or that the money should go elsewhere is an argument based on ignorance of the facts.

The reason UT is spending on new coaching staff is clear to anyone who saw Neyland Stadium in the last half of the 2008 season. People DON'T pay to see a losing team.

They could close the stadium and cancel football, and then tuition WOULD go up to pay for all that Title IX compliance, etc.
 
2009-01-16 07:08:41 PM
arealrascal: Can't wait to read this one... anybody got a non-SbB link?


Don't bother; it's just one big WHARRRRGARRRRRBLE complaining about what coaches get paid, and ignoring the fact that UT isn't paying anything unusual, and actually pays less than most. Here's a graphic from last summer:
media.knoxnews.com
 
2009-01-16 07:09:10 PM
Volunteer Ticket Prices: Roughly $150 (new window)

Attendance of last game vs. Kentucky: 102,388 (new window)

$150 * 100,000 seats * 6 games a year = $90,000,000

Of course, its quite a bit less than that in reality, but when you also add in TV contracts, jersey sales, booster donations, etc., it can get to a rather high number.
 
2009-01-16 07:29:01 PM
Canadian Canuck: Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

I agree. It's sickening. I still can't get over how I keep hearing about players that are signing new multi-million dollar contracts. It's just disappointed. But then again, I am clearly in the wrong line of work.

Hell if they fired all those people and put the money to research, you could make a lot of professors really REALLY happy.


I don't care for university sports, but this is a really stupid post on many levels. A university doesn't fund research anyway, they would have nowhere close to enough money to be able to do that.
 
2009-01-16 07:41:11 PM
ok, Vols suck, so they nervously spend a ton of money on a complete new group of saps.

It happens every year
 
2009-01-16 07:58:30 PM
Dubai Vol: That whole article is silly. Kiffin will be one of the lower-paid head coaches in the conference. I really don't get all the faux outrage.

because everyone has to be angry about something.

I actually made a list and calculated average salaries by conference for 2007 last year. The average SEC coach made almost $200,000 more in 2007 than the average Big XII coach, around $330,000 more than the average Big 10 coach, around $450,000 more than the average ACC coach, around $530,000 more than the average Pac-10 coach, and over $600,000 more than the average Big East coach. There were 12 coaches making more than $2 million/year and 5 of them were in the SEC. (3 in the Big XII, 1 in the Pac-10, 1 in the ACC, 2 in the Big 10)
 
2009-01-16 09:08:56 PM
Hate Sports by Brooks? Are you a member of Fark.com? Then sign my petition to Drew Curtis to stop excessive SbB links. If enough of us sign it, then maybe we can get a lot less of these bullshiat links. Here's the petition, and if you like it, post it in other SbB threads.

This isn't to get SbB removed from the site by any means. It is just to end the excessive links that could be easily taken from elsewhere. SbB has some things on it sometimes that aren't widely available.

Polite Petition to Drew to end excessive SbB. (new window)
 
2009-01-16 09:37:23 PM
deltabourne:
Hell if they fired all those people and put the money to research, you could make a lot of professors really REALLY happy.

I don't care for university sports, but this is a really stupid post on many levels. A university doesn't fund research anyway, they would have nowhere close to enough money to be able to do that.


Well than my professors have lied to me about where they get funding for their research.

Dubai Vol:
Does it make you feel any better to know the football program actually contributes monry to the university and not the other way around? When 104,000+ people show up every saturday to watch a team play, the revenue more than pays for the team. The extra goes to academics.


Not at all. They are overpaid. Why do they need to make $600,000? Explain that to me.
 
2009-01-16 10:03:31 PM
Canadian Canuck: Well than my professors have lied to me about where they get funding for their research.

Yep, they probably did then. Because I don't know a single professor that gets funding for their research from the department/university.
 
2009-01-16 10:18:15 PM
Dubai Vol: Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

Canadian Canuck: Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

I agree. It's sickening. I still can't get over how I keep hearing about players that are signing new multi-million dollar contracts. It's just disappointed. But then again, I am clearly in the wrong line of work.

Hell if they fired all those people and put the money to research, you could make a lot of professors really REALLY happy.

Does it make you feel any better to know the football program actually contributes monry to the university and not the other way around? When 104,000+ people show up every saturday to watch a team play, the revenue more than pays for the team. The extra goes to academics.

That whole article is silly. Kiffin will be one of the lower-paid head coaches in the conference. I really don't get all the faux outrage.


Because nearly one-hundred college football coaches are paid a higher salary from the government than the President of the United States. That's the outrage.
 
2009-01-16 10:23:36 PM
Mike_LowELL: Because nearly one-hundred college football coaches are paid a higher salary from the government than the President of the United States. That's the outrage.

This is your argument? Seriously? Why is the President's salary an arbitrary cap on salary for whatever professions you (again) arbitrarily choose?
 
2009-01-16 10:25:35 PM
studleystudstutterson: Volunteer Ticket Prices: Roughly $150 (new window)

Attendance of last game vs. Kentucky: 102,388 (new window)

$150 * 100,000 seats * 6 games a year = $90,000,000

Of course, its quite a bit less than that in reality, but when you also add in TV contracts, jersey sales, booster donations, etc., it can get to a rather high number.


You forgot the thousands of $$$ they make on moonshine every year. They don't call it East Tennessee Chemistry for nothing.
 
2009-01-16 10:28:20 PM
Dubai Vol: arealrascal: Can't wait to read this one... anybody got a non-SbB link?


Don't bother; it's just one big WHARRRRGARRRRRBLE complaining about what coaches get paid, and ignoring the fact that UT isn't paying anything unusual, and actually pays less than most. Here's a graphic from last summer:


I have it on good authority that Coach Bobby 'Steve Martin' Johnson's yearly pay is lower than all of those coaches. In 2006, Coach Stallings (men's basketball) was the highest paid employee at Vanderbilt in any department, followed by the guy that ran the endowment, followed by ex-Chancellor Gee. All three of their salaries are below $1.6kk.
 
2009-01-16 10:42:40 PM
They're paying a lot of money for these people but every name is a stud.

Every defensive player in the world is going to want to play for Monte Kiffin. He's a top DC in the NFL and if anyone is going to prepare you for the next level, he will. Ed Orgeron is also highly respected even if he didn't generate W's at Ole Miss. Lane is a good offensive mind with unproven head coaching credentials, but with Orgeron a previous HC and Monte one of the best minds in the game, I'm sure they'll be okay.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tennessee generates a stout defense to compete against the rise of the spread/spreadoption in the SEC. Kiffins been running the Tampa 2 for a long time and that is the perfect defense to cover it.

/not an sec fan by a longshot, but hoping that Tennessee proves successful against hacks like Saban and Miles
 
2009-01-16 11:28:26 PM
deltabourne: Mike_LowELL: Because nearly one-hundred college football coaches are paid a higher salary from the government than the President of the United States. That's the outrage.

This is your argument? Seriously? Why is the President's salary an arbitrary cap on salary for whatever professions you (again) arbitrarily choose?


If none of that strikes you as farked-up, then it does a heck of a job in explaining why this country's on the verge of falling apart. The University of Florida has the money to pay Urban Meyer 3.25 million dollars to coach football. Urban Meyer is the highest-paid government employee in my state. Meanwhile, the school board of the county I live in is planning to cut 400 jobs. The government can afford to pay a football coach seven-figures while it's hemorrhaging money everywhere else? Good thing Fark rails against the everyman getting farked by big business interests and then passes a blind eye to the NCAA.
 
2009-01-16 11:30:47 PM
bhcompy: They're paying a lot of money for these people but every name is a stud.

Exactly. You've got a former NFL head coach as the head coach. You've got a former NFL defensive coordinator as the defensive coordinator. You've got a former college coach from the conference as the O-line coordinator. C'mon, they're going to have that place up and kicking ass in no time.
 
2009-01-16 11:48:31 PM
Mike_LowELL: deltabourne: Mike_LowELL: Because nearly one-hundred college football coaches are paid a higher salary from the government than the President of the United States. That's the outrage.

This is your argument? Seriously? Why is the President's salary an arbitrary cap on salary for whatever professions you (again) arbitrarily choose?

If none of that strikes you as farked-up, then it does a heck of a job in explaining why this country's on the verge of falling apart. The University of Florida has the money to pay Urban Meyer 3.25 million dollars to coach football. Urban Meyer is the highest-paid government employee in my state. Meanwhile, the school board of the county I live in is planning to cut 400 jobs. The government can afford to pay a football coach seven-figures while it's hemorrhaging money everywhere else? Good thing Fark rails against the everyman getting farked by big business interests and then passes a blind eye to the NCAA.



Urban Meyer's salary is paid by the Florida University Athletic Association which gets its money from licensing and tickets sales (among other things), but not taxes. The University of Florida has that money because people like watching the football games, and are willing to pay to do so. Their financial statements are here Link (new window) if you're curious or unconvinced.
 
2009-01-16 11:55:34 PM
Mike_LowELL: If none of that strikes you as farked-up, then it does a heck of a job in explaining why this country's on the verge of falling apart. The University of Florida has the money to pay Urban Meyer 3.25 million dollars to coach football. Urban Meyer is the highest-paid government employee in my state. Meanwhile, the school board of the county I live in is planning to cut 400 jobs. The government can afford to pay a football coach seven-figures while it's hemorrhaging money everywhere else? Good thing Fark rails against the everyman getting farked by big business interests and then passes a blind eye to the NCAA.

So just to be clear, your claim is that the country is "falling apart" because football coaches for a handful of universities are paying them 2 million dollars to manage a team that brings in 50 times that in revenue for the school? Mortgages, wars, none of that factors into your little equation? THAT'S THE ARGUMENT YOU WANT TO MAKE? And here I thought the last one was stupid.
 
2009-01-17 12:06:35 AM
IAmRight: And every Volunteer fan will be happy as hell they're getting paid that much as long as they win. can't even count that high.

Ooooh, sick burn, IAmRight!
 
2009-01-17 12:14:28 AM
If schools are making that much money, then why aren't they paying the student-athletes for a product that only their participation makes possible? And no, scholarships are not just compensation.
 
2009-01-17 02:31:12 AM
You guys are funny. A successful football progra, pays its own way and even contributes money to the school. It might as well be considered a separate, profitable, business.

The government does not pay these salaries. The paying customers, the footbll fans, do. The salaries are determined by supply and demand. Why is that so hard to understand?

Next you'll be screaming about the 8-figure salaries of racing drivers.


Don't like the system? Hey, that's cool, don't buy a ticket. But don't come in here pretending that the money for this comes out of YOUR pocket. It doesn't. Want it spent elsewhere? Convince people not to buy tickets and do something else instead. Telling people they CAN'T spend money on football? No, that's not your right.
 
2009-01-17 03:24:28 AM
I don't. I don't care for college football because it's a joke of a product compared to the pro version. Same goes for college basketball. The "yay cheer for your school" bullshiat can't hide that a good D-League team would run the table in the NCAA Tournament. I'd just like to know why, if these programs are making the schools filthy rich, the student-athletes should be shut out from the pie.
 
2009-01-17 08:50:47 AM
Mike_LowELL: I don't. I don't care for college football because it's a joke of a product compared to the pro version. Same goes for college basketball. The "yay cheer for your school" bullshiat can't hide that a good D-League team would run the table in the NCAA Tournament. I'd just like to know why, if these programs are making the schools filthy rich, the student-athletes should be shut out from the pie.

I don't care for pro football because it's a joke of a product compared to the college version. Same goes for pro basketball. The soulless coporate sponsors and thug athletes can't hide that all the teams play the same standard offense against the same standard defense, and there is no variation because the NFL is a copycat league.
Also, addressing your concern for the student athletes, it's only a double handfull of schools that earn significant revenue from football. You were just complaining about coaches' salaries taking away money that could be used for better things. Well, if they started paying student-athletes, 100 schools would have to start raiding funds that would otherwise go to academics just to pay athletes so they have some chance of attracting players that would want to cash a paycheck. College football already has a tacit split between haves and have-nots, paying players would exacerbate it.
 
2009-01-17 09:59:17 AM
Canadian Canuck: deltabourne:
Hell if they fired all those people and put the money to research, you could make a lot of professors really REALLY happy.

I don't care for university sports, but this is a really stupid post on many levels. A university doesn't fund research anyway, they would have nowhere close to enough money to be able to do that.

Well than my professors have lied to me about where they get funding for their research.

Dubai Vol:
Does it make you feel any better to know the football program actually contributes monry to the university and not the other way around? When 104,000+ people show up every saturday to watch a team play, the revenue more than pays for the team. The extra goes to academics.


Not at all. They are overpaid. Why do they need to make $600,000? Explain that to me.


Because someone else would pay $600,000. Do you think that the money is just a gift and has nothing to do with skill and demand?

Bobby Bowden made over $2,000,000 last year, with only $200,000 paid by the state. The boosters pick up most of the remainder. I don't know about UT but, I would imagine that public universities all pay their coaches like that.

If you think that without football, the boosters would still give money, you are mistaken. My wife and I are athletic boosters and she gives money to the FSU law school every year. Without football, the money she gives to the law school wouldn't increase, we'd just have more money in our pockets.
 
2009-01-17 10:04:13 AM
Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

Take away the football program and the costs would go up even more.

The costs are going up because they insist on "renovating" a different new building every year, and because of the failed Exchange (Tmail) migration, and because of administrative overhead.

In the engineering department, time and time again I saw otherwise intelligent people who didn't give a damn about football complain about how much money is put into football while tuition goes up.

It takes 10 seconds of research, max, to determine that your tuition has nothing to do with the football program. There is a sport fee, but it has remained fairly constant and instead gives you access to all the gym equipment, pool facilities, etc.
 
2009-01-17 11:04:59 AM
Tourney3p0: Redwing: And tuition costs are going up...

Take away the football program and the costs would go up even more.

The costs are going up because they insist on "renovating" a different new building every year, and because of the failed Exchange (Tmail) migration, and because of administrative overhead.

In the engineering department, time and time again I saw otherwise intelligent people who didn't give a damn about football complain about how much money is put into football while tuition goes up.

It takes 10 seconds of research, max, to determine that your tuition has nothing to do with the football program. There is a sport fee, but it has remained fairly constant and instead gives you access to all the gym equipment, pool facilities, etc.



THIS.

I can't wait to graduate.....
 
2009-01-17 04:02:23 PM
Jomigero: I don't care for pro football because it's a joke of a product compared to the college version. Same goes for pro basketball. The soulless coporate sponsors and thug athletes can't hide that all the teams play the same standard offense against the same standard defense, and there is no variation because the NFL is a copycat league.

"And we'll be right back with the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl"? I prefer the pro game because no matter how bad the Detroit Lions are, they will beat any good college team by six or seven touchdowns. Difference in talent is way too large.

Also, addressing your concern for the student athletes, it's only a double handfull of schools that earn significant revenue from football. You were just complaining about coaches' salaries taking away money that could be used for better things. Well, if they started paying student-athletes, 100 schools would have to start raiding funds that would otherwise go to academics just to pay athletes so they have some chance of attracting players that would want to cash a paycheck. College football already has a tacit split between haves and have-nots, paying players would exacerbate it.

Then if there's not enough money to pay the players, then there is no reason that Steve Fairchild should be getting paid 800,000 dollars to coach at Colorado State.
 
2009-01-19 11:32:42 AM
Mike_LowELL: Jomigero: I don't care for pro football because it's a joke of a product compared to the college version. Same goes for pro basketball. The soulless coporate sponsors and thug athletes can't hide that all the teams play the same standard offense against the same standard defense, and there is no variation because the NFL is a copycat league.

"And we'll be right back with the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl"? I prefer the pro game because no matter how bad the Detroit Lions are, they will beat any good college team by six or seven touchdowns. Difference in talent is way too large.

Also, addressing your concern for the student athletes, it's only a double handfull of schools that earn significant revenue from football. You were just complaining about coaches' salaries taking away money that could be used for better things. Well, if they started paying student-athletes, 100 schools would have to start raiding funds that would otherwise go to academics just to pay athletes so they have some chance of attracting players that would want to cash a paycheck. College football already has a tacit split between haves and have-nots, paying players would exacerbate it.

Then if there's not enough money to pay the players, then there is no reason that Steve Fairchild should be getting paid 800,000 dollars to coach at Colorado State.


Economics isn't your strong suit, is it?
 
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