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2009-01-13 07:18:38 PM
Expect the Telecom lobby to fight this one hard, but man, it would be nice to have a clear message that Net Neutrality isn't up for debate by this administration.
 
2009-01-13 07:22:45 PM
"conservative" outrage in aisle 1... C'mon guys, don't fail us.
 
2009-01-13 07:27:58 PM
Hey, I thought America was the land of the free. Let the markets decide. Capitalism unfettered!

/better, Mordant?
 
2009-01-13 07:36:47 PM
I'm hoping for a good dig about change or hope, but it's a start.
 
2009-01-13 08:09:22 PM
Mordant: "conservative" outrage in aisle 1... C'mon guys, don't fail us.

I love it when conservatives argue against net neutrality. It's ideological hilarity.
 
2009-01-13 08:39:08 PM
DamnYankees: I love it when conservatives argue against net neutrality

I love when anyone argues against it. Especially when they argue as it if would be something new.
 
2009-01-13 09:04:12 PM
It's gonna be a damn shame when this guy ends up dead in a 'small boating accident' or his personal aircraft develops 'engine trouble' and he dies in the crash.
 
2009-01-13 09:23:12 PM
This is good news...for us!
 
2009-01-13 09:29:43 PM
And-1: This is good news...for us!

just wait - i'm sure that someone will eventually come along and try to convince us all that somehow net neutrality is bad for us.
 
2009-01-13 09:31:39 PM
Weaver95: And-1: This is good news...for us!

just wait - i'm sure that someone will eventually come along and try to convince us all that somehow net neutrality is bad for us.


Aren't you one of those people? Or am I confusing you with Churchill2004 on this issue.
 
2009-01-13 10:00:31 PM
This is bad news. The free market should decide which packets are more important.
 
2009-01-13 10:04:47 PM
WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: I love it when conservatives argue against net neutrality

I love when anyone argues against it. Especially when they argue as it if would be something new.


Its even funnier when they argue against it online.
 
2009-01-13 10:21:12 PM
DamnYankees: Mordant: "conservative" outrage in aisle 1... C'mon guys, don't fail us.

I love it when conservatives argue against net neutrality. It's ideological hilarity.


I love it even more when they not only argue against it, they also seem to forget the however many billions and billions in tax breaks they gave to the telecoms in '94 on the assurance that we would soon have a fiber optic infrastructure that would be a gleaming gem to the entire world.

/Folks, your utility infrastructure should not be privately owned.
// the more you know
 
2009-01-13 10:48:12 PM
Sarcastrophe, please pick up the red courtesy phone...Sarcastrophe, the red courtesy phone, please.
 
2009-01-13 10:50:23 PM
Aren't we, the people of The Intertubes, required to be in favor of Net Neutrality? I feel that any other position on the matter would be dividing by zero or something.
 
2009-01-13 10:50:29 PM
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
/SO Awesome.
 
2009-01-13 10:50:53 PM
net neutrality is weak. we need red blooded net positivity!
 
2009-01-13 10:52:24 PM
Weaver95: And-1: This is good news...for us!

just wait - i'm sure that someone will eventually come along and try to convince us all that somehow net neutrality is bad for us.


Yeah. Like Ted Stevens.

Oh, right.....
 
2009-01-13 10:53:57 PM
Is it that hot Russian girl with the big tits?
 
2009-01-13 10:57:07 PM
quickdraw: WhyteRaven74: DamnYankees: I love it when conservatives argue against net neutrality

I love when anyone argues against it. Especially when they argue as it if would be something new.

Its even funnier when they argue against it online.


I was going to argue about it but my comment timed out after I attempted it to add.
 
2009-01-13 10:58:00 PM
God, I still remember the original Bolshevikesque confusion around what net neutrality actually WAS. People were SOMEHOW confused and thought NN was a plot to tier the internet and charge more for faster delivery. It was appalling. At least everyone knows what it means now, so we got that going for us.
 
2009-01-13 11:01:46 PM
Weaver95: And-1: This is good news...for us!

just wait - i'm sure that someone will eventually come along and try to convince us all that somehow net neutrality is bad for us.


The farking DISNEY CHANNEL used to run adds at odd times (I babysit my nephews) that tried to paint Net Neutrality as 'a concotion by big business to stifle small startup companies' and 'a ploy the telecoms want to use to hike your rates'. That's the ticket. If you can't legitimately argue a point, convince the gullible youth that your opponent's name/agenda is the opposite of what it really is, and wait while their parents listen to them because kids know more about tech stuff. Stay classy, Disney.
 
2009-01-13 11:02:33 PM
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2009-01-13 11:03:21 PM
Good, I applaud him sticking to his guns. I wonder if this choice was made over Mr. Biden's objection?
 
2009-01-13 11:08:07 PM
Shaggy_C: Good, I applaud him sticking to his guns. I wonder if this choice was made over Mr. Biden's objection?

Biden has dropped his original stance on Net Neutrality and now supports it. That may have been due to some arm twisting by Obama - I obviously have no idea. But since people Biden's age tend to get everything wrong about digital media I'm not all that surprised by his earlier stance.
 
2009-01-13 11:08:34 PM
Ahhhhh.
 
2009-01-13 11:08:35 PM
Well played good sir.
 
2009-01-13 11:12:53 PM
I've never figured out where the spin ends or begins with Net Neutrality discussions.
 
2009-01-13 11:14:36 PM
Anyone who is net neutral would understand the best way to attach that is through no government interference AT ALL.


All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

The internet is extremely self-regulating and only getting better, the worst thing that could happen is a un-elected government busy body come by and try to make things better but in reality then will just make things worst as this will give corporations red meat to use to clobber the customer with. All I have to do is point to the ICC (no more passenger rail traffic) and the FCC (extreme restrictions on radio wave usage).

Net Neutral=No Government

Only government creates monopolies not the market.
 
2009-01-13 11:17:23 PM
Eowunyth: Only government creates monopolies not the market.

Thats just silly. There were monopolies long before there were governments.
 
2009-01-13 11:18:37 PM
Eowunyth: Anyone who is net neutral would understand the best way to attach that is through no government interference AT ALL.


All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

The internet is extremely self-regulating and only getting better, the worst thing that could happen is a un-elected government busy body come by and try to make things better but in reality then will just make things worst as this will give corporations red meat to use to clobber the customer with. All I have to do is point to the ICC (no more passenger rail traffic) and the FCC (extreme restrictions on radio wave usage).

Net Neutral=No Government

Only government creates monopolies not the market.


God, what has the deal been with fark this week? Every thread is full of people who support what I believe in by saying the dumbest things possible.
The market DOES create monopolies, the issue is how much a threat a monopoly creates.
 
2009-01-13 11:19:07 PM
Eowunyth: Net Neutral=No Government

Great. As long as big hulking corporations don't take its place.
 
2009-01-13 11:19:30 PM
Eowunyth: The internet is extremely self-regulating and only getting better, the worst thing that could happen is a un-elected government busy body come by and

Also you do realize that the internet was created by un-elected government busy bodies? Hard as it is to believe occasionally even the US military does something right.
 
2009-01-13 11:21:47 PM
quickdraw: Biden has dropped his original stance on Net Neutrality and now supports it. That may have been due to some arm twisting by Obama - I obviously have no idea

I'm sure it had something to do with it. I remember a lot of supporters, myself included, were a little despondent over Biden's selection precisely for that reason.
 
2009-01-13 11:22:05 PM
yeah faster porn!
 
2009-01-13 11:22:46 PM
Eowunyth: All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

Yeah, um ... you know that the FCC made Comcast stop throttling bandwidth^, not consumer activism? Cause, your post really makes no sense in light of this fact. Am I missing something?
 
2009-01-13 11:23:42 PM
Eowunyth: Anyone who is net neutral would understand the best way to attach that is through no government interference AT ALL.


All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

The internet is extremely self-regulating and only getting better, the worst thing that could happen is a un-elected government busy body come by and try to make things better but in reality then will just make things worst as this will give corporations red meat to use to clobber the customer with. All I have to do is point to the ICC (no more passenger rail traffic) and the FCC (extreme restrictions on radio wave usage).

Net Neutral=No Government

Only government creates monopolies not the market.


Someone failed that late 19th century history quiz. Or didn't read the book.
 
2009-01-13 11:23:47 PM
Feltonl: yeah faster porn!

Also, this. :)
 
2009-01-13 11:25:49 PM
quickdraw: Eowunyth: The internet is extremely self-regulating and only getting better, the worst thing that could happen is a un-elected government busy body come by and

Also you do realize that the Internet was created by un-elected government busy bodies? Hard as it is to believe occasionally even the US military does something right.


The difference was was that they didn't create it looking to the make the Internet the way it is today. They created something, the civilian market took and ran with it. The best way to stop growth, make monoplies and control one of the last bastions of individual freedoms is to get a un-elected busy body with to much power and to little brains trying to "protect" the little man.
 
2009-01-13 11:26:15 PM
Eowunyth: Anyone who is net neutral would understand the best way to attach that is through no government interference AT ALL.

You do realize that leaving the vast majority of the internet to be tended to by multi-billion dollar corporations has lead to the US having an internet service on par with a well equipped third world country, yes?
 
2009-01-13 11:26:19 PM
Learned Louisianian: Weaver95: And-1: This is good news...for us!

just wait - i'm sure that someone will eventually come along and try to convince us all that somehow net neutrality is bad for us.

The farking DISNEY CHANNEL used to run adds at odd times (I babysit my nephews) that tried to paint Net Neutrality as 'a concotion by big business to stifle small startup companies' and 'a ploy the telecoms want to use to hike your rates'. That's the ticket. If you can't legitimately argue a point, convince the gullible youth that your opponent's name/agenda is the opposite of what it really is, and wait while their parents listen to them because kids know more about tech stuff. Stay classy, Disney.


Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Scarey shiat.
 
2009-01-13 11:26:46 PM
This is good news - for Internet users. I now consider my campaign contributions money well spent.

/Any Farkers at the California bash in the Air and Space museum?
 
2009-01-13 11:27:37 PM
And-1: Eowunyth: All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

Yeah, um ... you know that the FCC made Comcast stop throttling bandwidth^, not consumer activism? Cause, your post really makes no sense in light of this fact. Am I missing something?


Wait, does this precedent mean that all ISPs must allow BitTorrents? I honestly have no idea, but it is relevant to my interests, because apparently our provider has threatened to cut off our service based upon torrent usage I may or may not have participated in.

At least according to my roommate.
 
2009-01-13 11:28:30 PM
Jaakobi: Eowunyth: Anyone who is net neutral would understand the best way to attach that is through no government interference AT ALL.


All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

The internet is extremely self-regulating and only getting better, the worst thing that could happen is a un-elected government busy body come by and try to make things better but in reality then will just make things worst as this will give corporations red meat to use to clobber the customer with. All I have to do is point to the ICC (no more passenger rail traffic) and the FCC (extreme restrictions on radio wave usage).

Net Neutral=No Government

Only government creates monopolies not the market.

Someone failed that late 19th century history quiz. Or didn't read the book.


Someone failed to read also that Standard Oil and other "Barons" only managed to pull off what they did through manipulating the government officials. Again monopolies only come from the protection of government.
 
2009-01-13 11:29:02 PM
Eowunyth: The best way to stop growth, make monoplies and control one of the last bastions of individual freedoms is to get a un-elected busy body with to much power and to little brains trying to "protect" the little man.

Europe and Japan would like to have a word with you, but your crappy internet connection timed out.
 
2009-01-13 11:30:01 PM
Shaggy_C: quickdraw: Biden has dropped his original stance on Net Neutrality and now supports it. That may have been due to some arm twisting by Obama - I obviously have no idea

I'm sure it had something to do with it. I remember a lot of supporters, myself included, were a little despondent over Biden's selection precisely for that reason.


I'm far more concerned about Hillary's stance on video games but figure theres not much she can do about it as sect of state.

In general Obama seems to be putting people who are genuinely tech savvy in tech related positions. I only wish the rest of the country would follow suit.
 
2009-01-13 11:31:37 PM
Net Neutrality via legislation....

How can we restrict people in order to make them free. That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. Net neutrality people need to eat a bag of dicks.
 
2009-01-13 11:31:42 PM
net neutrality.
Better known as fark off comcast.


/ok not really.
//i just wanted to say fark off comcast
 
2009-01-13 11:32:05 PM
Car_Ramrod: And-1: Eowunyth: All i have to do is point to Comcast and show you idiots that YOU can change their behavior with no help from the Government, AT ALL.

Yeah, um ... you know that the FCC made Comcast stop throttling bandwidth^, not consumer activism? Cause, your post really makes no sense in light of this fact. Am I missing something?

Wait, does this precedent mean that all ISPs must allow BitTorrents? I honestly have no idea, but it is relevant to my interests, because apparently our provider has threatened to cut off our service based upon torrent usage I may or may not have participated in.

At least according to my roommate.


FCC never even had a chance to touch the Comcast case since it was technically legal. It was a mix of customer activism and other businesses seeing a chance to under cut Comcast that forced them to change their policy. It also forced Bit torrent to now encrypt all their traffic so that no one can do this again.
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And no my post make sense its the fact that I choice to actually read about the stuff and analyze it verse going with "conventional wisdom" which most people do.
 
2009-01-13 11:32:52 PM
sarcastrophe: How can we restrict people in order to make them free. That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard of.

and yet, its just crazy enough to work. the only "freedom" to be restricted by net neutrality is the "freedom" of the powerful to be dicks.
 
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