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(Forbes)   Johnson & Johnson aims to create schizophrenia drug that treats symptoms current drugs don't treat. Like that man with the empty face who is looking over my shoulder STOP LOOKING AT ME I GAVE YOU THE BAG OF DYNAMITE ALREADY   (forbes.com) divider line
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2009-01-10 01:34:04 AM  
Schizophrenic paranoia is one of the most irritating things in the world to deal with.
 
2009-01-10 01:51:59 AM  
I lol'ed
 
2009-01-10 02:44:19 AM  

PoopStain: Schizophrenic paranoia is one of the most irritating things in the world to deal with.


You can't treat someone when they assume that everyone is "one of them," I'm guessing?

I mean, if I thought the whole world was after me, taking pills from authority figures is the last thing I would do.
 
2009-01-10 02:45:05 AM  
I cringed at the headline. Well played.

FTFA:
But Risperdal lost patent protection last summer and generic competition cut sales by 61 percent in 2008's third quarter. A newer, long-acting injected version called Risperdal Consta hasn't picked up much of the slack, and a successor drug called Invega hasn't been a big hit. (emphasis mine)

Is it not a hit because it isn't effective, or the side effects were so awful that it didn't matter that it did work, or because they didn't distribute enough pens to pharmacists and stethoscopes to doctors?
 
2009-01-10 02:48:53 AM  
Paranoid schizophrenics (new window)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2569049600/nm2810287
You might know him as one of the Joker's thugs or the guy hawking 99-cent burgers at Wendy's.
 
2009-01-10 03:10:42 AM  
Any new developments here is pretty damn cool. The existing drugs are pretty horrible, and pretty much any progress in the field of antipsychotics would be a big help to a lot of people. Seeing as one of the big problems with treatment in the field of schizophrenia is "patient compliance", just having another set of options could be huge.

Anybody have any good links to research on this new drug, or other information?

On a side note, the last time I saw the name "Risperdal Consta", as mentioned in the article as the newly-renewed-patent version J&J is pushing, was when I was locked in the psych ward... their idea of "mandatory group therapy" was to show us hour long ads for that damn drug. Dealing with the psych ward is bad enough; forced "infomercial" watching is a new level of insulting... *sigh*
 
2009-01-10 03:34:18 AM  

Jonathan Hohensee: I mean, if I thought the whole world was after me, taking pills from authority figures is the last thing I would do.


That's pretty much the difficulty in treat paranoid schizophrenics. There are a few "high functioning" schizophrenics that know their brains are farking with them. But most of them fall into the "You aren't going to get me with your mind control drugs" category.

Guy here told me that he had to move out of his apartment because the FBI had planted people in the apartment above him to bang on the ceiling and keep him from sleeping. Then he told me he couldn't take his medications because they kept him from seeing what was really happening in the world. Apparently the medications made him think that the earth and it's weather systems caused Katrina when in reality the U.S. government used it's weather control satellites to cause it. He told me that the U.S. government also caused the Indian ocean tsunami in 2004. Something about underwater explosives testing.
 
2009-01-10 03:42:22 AM  
Jonathan Hohensee: You can't treat someone when they assume that everyone is "one of them," I'm guessing?

Pretty much. Imagine someone who views any person who wants to help as a means to make them worse. You can't offer them water without it being a grand conspiracy to make them more detached.

It's difficult.
 
2009-01-10 03:42:31 AM  
PoopStain: Schizophrenic paranoia is one of the most irritating things in the world to deal with.

Yeah. So you should probably keep taking your meds.
 
2009-01-10 04:05:27 AM  
As an older brother to a schizophrenic, I am totally getting a kick out of these replies.

/He seriously needs to take his meds or shiat gets crazy.
 
2009-01-10 05:11:17 AM  
Three out of the four psychiatrists I've had diagnosed me a "High Functioning Schizophrenic", one gave me a diagnosis "you're fine, but you're just different." I follow the latter in my mind, as it was the most recent. Either way, my experiences with "it" have been a hell of a ride.

I'm not completely "ready" for the world, after ... many years, eight or so. The medicine took a toll my brain, TD, short term memory loss, large holes in long term memory. However, it could be attributed to the self medicating that was done. Since I have no medical degree, all I can do is trust my instincts.

But now that I am off all medications I have had a lessening in the TD, and "symptoms" as well. After talking with a few of the "Schizo's" I've met I've learned that this disease, if you wish to call it that, is an amazingly complex issue of symptoms to the point where even within each subset the world is totally different (barring any hallucination jokes, obviously).

I understand how "duh" that sounds, but I can't figure out how to narrow it down past that- at least at this hour. Another thing I've found is we don't really attract one another, and tend to steer clear. I've always wondered why others felt this way. I figure that what we've experienced as "schizophrenics" is intensely personal and do not wish to share it with the other's who have had the same path. Not out of embarrassment or contention, but because we don't want to infringe on another's world (for better or worse).
 
2009-01-10 07:00:47 AM  
My husband was recently diagnosed high-functioning SZ. The bizarre paranoia is only a smidgen of fun times. It's the unreasonable sense of superiority and the inability to focus on the simplest task, conversation, etc. are the truly frustrating symptoms. I can deal w/ delusions of the CIA monitoring our phone lines via the microwave -- it's the day-to-day crap when it's tough to decipher whether he's being a smartass or schizo.

Invega done wonders for those symptoms. That and he doesn't wake up in a panic anymore because he believes I've been poisoning and stashing his millions away in a Swiss bank account.

/he doesn't have millions ... of anything
//I wouldn't have the patience for poisoning
 
2009-01-10 07:15:49 AM  

fireandashes36: As an older brother to a schizophrenic, I am totally getting a kick out of these replies.

/He seriously needs to take his meds or shiat gets crazy.


I lived in an apartment below a schizophrenic. I was alone, getting ready to go see family who lived in the same neighborhood when the guy exploded. I have never heard noises like that come out of another human being before. It sounded as though her were attacking everything in his apartment. That he was at least 300 pounds didn't help matters any.

That day was about a hundred degrees and a good section of the complex were outside in the pool with their kids and such. So, he opened all his windows and started screaming a combination of profanity and Bible verse. I was terrified, until he called the on-site manager a 'fornicating biker slut', which was funny.

Eventually the police came and they led him to an ambulance while he flailed around having some kind of seizure.
 
2009-01-10 07:26:11 AM  
"Johnson & Johnson aims to create schizophrenia drug that treats symptoms current drugs don't treat."

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2009-01-10 08:12:05 AM  
And then they'll charge $310 per month for it, and a few years from now add a little cornstarch to the pill and call it extended release, and a few years from then they'll...
 
2009-01-10 09:15:44 AM  
MY LIFE FOR YOU!!!
 
2009-01-10 09:41:11 AM  
M-O-O-N
 
2009-01-10 09:42:35 AM  
Pretty much. Imagine someone who views any person who wants to help as a means to make them worse. You can't offer them water without it being a grand conspiracy to make them more detached.

It's difficult.


Indeed.

A recent technique that is proving quite effective is to video schizophrenics during acute episodes and then to play them the videos when they are in remission.

This increases their drug compliance rate, because they watch the video and go 'yeah I really was batshiat right there', instead of saying 'I said there were aliens in my brain, that doesn't sound like me'*

*greatly simplified.
 
2009-01-10 10:43:06 AM  
My ex should be a guinea pig for this.

Not kidding, she really is one of the nastiest example of how this disease/disorder is.

Life with her was hell, and just got worse.

She was diagnosed after I left.

/the stories I could tell (some I've already, in previous threads)
 
2009-01-10 01:36:03 PM  
+10 to Subby for making the first joke about Schizophrenia that I've ever seen that actually refers to the correct symptoms... as opposed to everybody else who still seems to think that Schizophrenia = Multiple Personality Disorder.
 
2009-01-10 01:43:36 PM  
Joe Bagadynamite?
 
2009-01-10 01:48:43 PM  

Timmaay: +10 to Subby for making the first joke about Schizophrenia that I've ever seen that actually refers to the correct symptoms... as opposed to everybody else who still seems to think that Schizophrenia = Multiple Personality Disorder.


Thank you for actually noticing that I took the time to do that, because that bothers the absolute hell out of me as well.

/subby
 
2009-01-10 08:34:55 PM  
Schizophrenia is mostly known for its positive symptoms, namely delusions, paranoia, hallucinations, etc. These are somewhat treated by the current drugs called anti-psychotics, but these drugs have terrible side effects. The most common one is tardive dyskinesia, which involves involuntary movements in people's hands and lips. Some drugs rarely cause really nasty stuff like permanent bone marrow suppression. What's not well known is that schizophrenics also have negative symptoms, which include defects in memory, learning, and concentration. No drugs on the market can treat those. Even worse, schizophrenics very often have comorbid depression and substance abuse; the rates of suicide attempts among schizophrenics exceeds 40%.

Schizophrenia is a depressing disease. It's hard for me to laugh at them because everyone I know who is schizophrenic has led nothing but a life of suffering and pain. One of my good friends' mother was an undiagnosed schizophrenic for many, many years. Her mother ended up being manipulated by men taking advantage of her illness, which resulted in her beating the crap of her children (they were spies for the CIA) or the guys sexually molesting her children. Many of my friend's siblings ended up in jail, joining gangs, or having babies at the age of 12. It's an absolutely farking tragedy.
 
2009-01-10 10:04:46 PM  

Perspicaciously Apathetic: My husband was recently diagnosed high-functioning SZ. The bizarre paranoia is only a smidgen of fun times. It's the unreasonable sense of superiority and the inability to focus on the simplest task, conversation, etc. are the truly frustrating symptoms. I can deal w/ delusions of the CIA monitoring our phone lines via the microwave -- it's the day-to-day crap when it's tough to decipher whether he's being a smartass or schizo.


How the hell did he get married? Any of those symptoms when courting/dating/single is a sentence to die alone! How?
 
2009-01-10 11:14:53 PM  
I know one paranoid schizo and one other person that almost certainly has it. I want to say they can lead normal lives but some of them just can't. One had her children taken away, and for damn good reason. She left them in a running car and ran around in the snow barefoot until the cops found her. She had written something on the car about people trying to get her. She called the cops on her husband and other random men for stalking her and it was all made up. She called me from the psych ward and talked for ever about how I had to help get her out because they think she's crazy and she's not crazy. I was young and didn't know she was nuts so I wrote down all the names of people that could help her and people out to get her. They can be very persuasive and convincing because it's all real to them.
 
2009-01-11 02:50:11 AM  

anonwums: Even worse, schizophrenics very often have comorbid depression and substance abuse; the rates of suicide attempts among schizophrenics exceeds 40%.

Schizophrenia is a depressing disease. It's hard for me to laugh at them because everyone I know who is schizophrenic has led nothing but a life of suffering and pain.


Can you tell me where you got your numbers on suicide rate? 'Cause I'm leaning towards media hype to either suppress medication or amp it up, as I've seen those numbers used on both sides of the fence for either agenda. In my research it was no where near this... at all.... even close.

Schizo's can lead productive, stable-ish lives. I'm aiming to set myself up with one. Undiagnosed schizophrenics are simply that- undiagnosed. I won't fight this war, least of all online, anymore. I won't speak as to your friend's situations but when someone tells me they're schizophrenic, but have never been treated or diagnosed? Yeah, they're usually brandishing their self-imposed oddities while on lunch break from Hot Topic.

Everyone throws a hiz-shiat-fizzy over the positive symptoms and pretty much ignore the negative ones, as they are not the ones that "visible" affect the lives of the "ill". But it is the avolition, the memory holes, the cognitive misalignment that really is the damning nails. A lot of people, who've I met (myself included) could deal with what they saw up until the point where the confusion and memory lapses added to a sense of total loss of reality (or fragmented in high functioning cases). It was like a constant insomnia of the higher functions of the brain, leading to withering atrophy of capacity.

But, in defense of all of those with the illness, fark you for even insinuating that their lives are constant pain and a tragedy. It's that "boo hoo you're damaged and ruined" mentality that puts people on the slow boat to uncontrollable body movements, complete chemical lobotomy, and a hundred and fifty extra pounds. It's the same exact damaged one that keeps the Welfare line long, and the employment office line short.

Further, everyone I know that have had 'successful' treatments and thus greatly diminished, or complete 'cured', hallucinations, delusion, etc. mis them in oddly massive degrees. While their lives may not be normal, or "pleasant" by any stretch of the status quo's imagination, the worlds fabricated in their/our minds are essentially pleasant in the after glow. And, honestly, there are times where I wish I'd slip right back into the whole world I designed in my head.

Hey, on the plus side I missed most of Dubbya's presidency in a cognitive haze. If only the guy coming in as I get my facilities back wasn't gonna do the same job a grander scale.
 
2009-01-11 08:08:26 AM  
Quantum Apostrophe: Because SZ is a progressive disease. When we were dating he would've been in the early stages. The first symptoms are not that unusual -- disorganization, rudeness, selfishness -- in other words, MALEness. It was several years into our marriage (and after children) that he had his fisrt full scale paranoid delusion. He was institutionlized briefly and, even then, misdiagnosed as bipolar. It took several years, another major episode (between countless mini ones) and a few doctors to finally correctly diagnose and treat his illness.
The thing that threw the doctors and everyone else off is the 'high functioning' part. He has maintained several lifetime relationships/friendships, a successful business, community activism, etc. Only w/in the past few years has the disease begun to effect any of these.
Unlike most Hollywood portrayals, a lot of (most?) schizos are married, have children and lead pretty 'normal' lives. Not all can work, which is a deciding factor for many spouses to leave. Fortunately, my husband can, although that becomes more limited as time passes. When the day comes that he can no longer work on his own, I, a close friend or family member will employ him in some capacity because he needs that sense of accomplishment to deal w/ his illness and life in general.
 
2009-01-11 09:19:40 AM  

Perspicaciously Apathetic: Quantum Apostrophe: Because SZ is a progressive disease. When we were dating he would've been in the early stages. The first symptoms are not that unusual -- disorganization, rudeness, selfishness -- in other words, MALEness.


And with that, you became a TROLL...

My ex is female and probably ten times worse than any of you whiners have ever seen... and most of her siblings have it, and it's not a pretty sight.

It's a sad and very destructive ailment.

If your hubby has it in a slight level, count yourself lucky, but you seriously don't have a clue to what a full blow SZ person is like.

I hope you never do and that your husband does keep it under control, but you should seriously go spend some time in a mental ward and observe some that are with it before you shot your mouth off about crap you really don't have a clue about.
 
2009-01-11 09:52:44 AM  
So they'll have a treatment for poor troubled Jon then?

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2009-01-11 11:52:27 AM  
 
2009-01-11 03:53:37 PM  
imafallenangel: Excuse me? Troll? Shooting my mouth off about things I don't know anything about? So your ex has the disease? Your ex what? Wife? Girlfriend? SO? How many years did you stick out w/ your ex and her disease? Did you support her financially, take her to appt after appt after appt to just be shuffled to yet another 'expert' while your ex was getting progressively worse., purchase her meds and make sure she took them day after day after day? Did you disarm guns before the police arrived, hold her back when she wanted to fight off doctors, officers and anyone who came close? Did you try to calm her as they wrestled her to the ground, schackled her and took her kicking and screaming to the institution? All in front of your children? Did you sit w/ her while she cried softly begging you not to leave her there?

My 'male' crack was just that -- a crack. I didn't fall in love w/ a schizo. I fell in love w/ an amazing and intelligent man ... who in the beginning had a few quirks that could easily be mistaken for differences of the sexes.

I've accepted that my husband has an illness. I listen to his tales of being the Highlander, being able to travel thru space and time in his mind. I deal with waking up to all the appliances being wrapped in towels because 'they' can hear us. I encourage him to write down his many 'inventions' so I can better understand them. And -- unlike you -- I continue to support him. In every way. For 12 years and counting. This is not the marriage I hoped for, but he deserves the love and respect I vowed to give him. And a chemical imbalance will never change what I feel for and about him.

I truly don't know a whole lot about this illness but I spend a lot of time w/ professionals trying to learn how to care for my husband and my family. I have a lot of concern for the other patients but frankly I have my hands full. So. puhlese. Find something else to biatch about today. Let it go, man, it's your past. Just allow me deal w/ my present and STFU.
 
2009-01-11 04:25:55 PM  
Oh god -- I forgot the best part -- did your ex ever pop her head in the door one Friday evening to say she was going to run and errand and then about Mon you finally learn that she wiped out your joint bank accounts, bought a boat and moved to FL -- all because she felt like you were stealing from her and, hell, she didn't want to be married anymore? Cause, dude, THAT rocks! omg. If she didn't do that you habe totally got to hook back up w/ her. Cause the conversations w/ the mortgage folks and the auto financial -- and best of all Uncle Sam -- as to why you can't pay them and where all that money suddenly went to is comedy GOLD. And then the legal wrangling -- oh the lawyers and all their fun stuff is not to be missed. Everyone advising you to institutionlize/not institutionlize (again), press charges, get POA'S, get appointed as trustee, set up this account and that account, open P.O. boxes, buy a safe, keep an emergency bag packed in my car, make sure all firearms are gone (duh), get a firearm and learn how to use it, fail safe words. Oy!
 
2009-01-11 05:33:03 PM  

anonwums: :"Ten percent to 13% of individuals with schizophrenia commit suicide, and 20% to 40% make suicide attempts."


Bah, I'll admit I jumped the gun reading that part. Read it as you were saying 40% go Nirvana on us, my mistake. Missed the whole minorly important word "attempts". Hopefully you were just sensationalizing it, but I didn't read attempts passed the 40% marker. Rest still stands.

Imfallen_angle, go back to your corner, read some more Poe, put on Disintegration, and pull out the midnight dye. This whole "no one knows what it's like" garbage get's no sympathy from anyone, least of all in this magic internet box. ExSOs have no sway on your intimate knowledge past their preference between boycut or thong, Christina or Britney. But, if you truly want to talk about what no one can understand, let me know if you've ever slammed the toilet seat down on your nuts... I always wondered what that would be like and from the sound of things, you've yours bandaged too tight.
 
2009-01-11 06:47:17 PM  
I can not imagine if my husband attempted suicide. That has not been part of his experience, thankfully. He doesn't have noticeable lows or depression. It's just normal/meds ... normal/counseling ... normal/meds ... !!! M-A-N-I-A !!! ... treatment/treatment/treatment ... normal/meds ...

Is it confusion? frustration? that makes suicide a risk? Or do other patients experience depression? Without creating a dustup -- in the throes of his mania, my husband has such an elevated sense of superiority I can't imagine his attempting suicide. And in the non-manic times he has no idea that he was anything other than a bit stressed. I suppose I could imagine his hurting/killing himself by believing he could fly or some other delusion, but not suicide.

/please say those stats are lies
 
2009-01-11 10:58:01 PM  

Perspicaciously Apathetic: I have a lot of concern for the other patients but frankly I have my hands full. So. puhlese. Find something else to biatch about today. Let it go, man, it's your past. Just allow me deal w/ my present and STFU.


Sorry, but if that's ALL you've dealt with, you've got NOTHING that "special" going on... it's all typical SZ stuff that I've seen.

Your "male crack" was pathetic and an insult that wasn't called for... I think that you should get checked to, it doesn't sound that it' only your husband that's got problems.

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I'm not usually this blunt, I'm usually the most supportive person in here, but you really crossed the line... so how about you STFU or go see a therapist over this instead of acting like this in a public forum.
 
2009-01-12 03:54:55 AM  

imfallen_angel:
Sorry, but if that's ALL you've dealt with, you've got NOTHING that "special" going on... it's all typical SZ stuff that I've seen.


Here, you need this after all the paint you must have ingested as kid...

Holy farking hell, where did she even state she wanted your sympathy? As far as I read it, the amount you blew up on her she owes you a clean fifty.

Perspicaciously Apathetic: This is Fark, so the rules aren't apparently clear all the time.. Some guy joking about sleeping with a twelve year old? Fine. Someone posting pictures of a nude elderly woman? Kosher. Bigoted, racist remakes? Keep 'em coming! A wisecrack generalizing a whole gender? Whooa, man, whoa. Not cool. When said gender has a disease? You need serious help.

But, to your questions. I haven't got a clue. When I pondered it in my situations, it was simply because I was constantly confused and I could tell how my affliction affected my family. In my mind it was die or get better. I'm getting better (after a lot of attempts), not every does. Most don't, actually. In all my research, those are high numbers. Statistics can change.

When I read the article that gave the numbers, when the people did kill themselves it was quick and often without a chance of rescue. When they didn't, it read to me like a lot of "I need attention", which is the case in most (you know this, you took a high school health class). Although, most of the failed cases were requiring of serious medical attention.

You know your husband, or what he was before it got to this point. Remember his actions and words there, and find out what's to come. It is easier than it seems to spot a serious problem about to burst if you clue into the personal signs.
 
2009-01-12 07:29:59 AM  
Many of these comments have been educational for me. None of the doctors have mentioned the side-effects discussed here. TD's, long term memory lapses, etc. Although, in the beginning, I'd have to admit I was begging for anything to make it stop, damned the consequences.

Something said earlier reminded me of realizing my husband actually missed his delusions. I would've thought it would anger me to realize that (don't you WANT to get better?) -- but it was really sad. For quite a while I was ready to say to hell w/ the meds -- he likes his world and we'll just make it work w/ ours. But, of course, that's impossible because his world is great until it's not. And when it's not, it's frightening and confusing to him more than anyone.

The side-effects mentioned and suicide stats will be discussed w/ his drs. asap. As I said, Invega is doing wonders for him so far -- but at the expense of what other health issues?

Speaking of expense -- someone else mentioned the ridiculous cost of the meds. His meds, including the Invega ($370-ish) were approaching $1k per month. After refusing to fill one prescription that was over $500 per month, I've learned to speak up. Now I have the doc weigh cost vs. benefit and get coupons for us. I don't question the cost of Invega because the benefit has been near miraculous -- but, come on -- we have to eat too! The doc's been able to give us coupons to cut the more expensive drugs in half (or get freebies), and tweak brands on others. I'm not too proud to ask -- and I hope others do too instead of ending meds due to cost.
 
2009-01-12 10:31:14 AM  

ag-ghm: ? As far as I read it, the amount you blew up on her she owes you a clean fifty.


I just didn't appreciate her "man" joke, and if she really has been to hell over this disease and actually leaned about it, she wouldn't have made a tasteless joke about it.... As much as she, the mighty queen, thinks that she's got it bad, some had it worse. This is not about some pissing contest, but about being tasteless.

I'll even answer a few of her question;

I was nine years with my ex, and had 3 children.

I supported her financially as she never could hold a job. Financially, she destroyed us, we lived from paycheck to paycheck, barely making it for the rent every month. We had very few worthwhile items, including my 35mm camera that she sold one day for 1/10th of what it was worth, just so that she could buy food... don't ask, the food purchase was questionable.

She refused going to doctors/therapy until a judge ordered it, and when the time prescribed by this judge ran out, her visits stopped.

She'd attack anywhere, anytime, always trying to put on a show if others were present. The police was so familiar with us that they'd recognize us from previous years. She played "victim" and made so much stuff up that your head would probably start spinning. Even when she punched me across the face in front of people, the police refused to help.

I tried again and again going to "therapy" to help, but nothing did, hell, she fell "in love" with one of the therapist, no kidding, she really believed that he sent her "signals".

Then she started sneaking out at night to go drink (no money, so do the math).

All this in front of the kids, I even got the kid's birthdays on tape where she does this stuff.

I feared for the kid's lives more and more, got sitters and still she'd go fight with them to the point where they were afraid to take the kids.

I'd come home to the place, barely livable, regardless how much I'd clean, she'd make a mess the very next day. She'd waste the food we had, to the point that I'd have to try and figure out how to feed the kids... I'd barely eat myself, and she'd wait until I get something done to feed the kids to jump on anything that I didn't take (for the kids).

And thanks to her being a women, as a man I had NO support, I was demonized automatically.

I had to leave before she killed me or the kids. It took me about 5 years to recover financially from the mess she made, to gain full custody, etc.

And this story just kept going on for years after and she did put the kids through hell over and over.

This was over 10 years ago (already), I've rebuilt myself, made a new life for me and the kids, married, etc, but somehow, it still goes on as she still contacts me at times and it's still the same crap again and again.

I skipped a LOT, but as I said, it's no pissing contest, but the fact is, this illness is nasty and anyone dealing with it (recognized) should get all the information about it instead of being whining shooting their mouth off. On my side, she wasn't recognized with her ailments until much later, so I didn't have a single chance, or support to get through it.

Yes, it appears that she's been through a lot, but dang, just from reading her posts, she needs to grow the hell up about some things.
 
2009-01-12 10:51:33 AM  

ag-ghm: As far as I read it, the amount you blew up on her she owes you a clean fifty.


BTW, if you read how this started with her post, maybe you'd see why I was harsh:

Perspicaciously Apathetic: Quantum Apostrophe: Because SZ is a progressive disease. When we were dating he would've been in the early stages. The first symptoms are not that unusual -- disorganization, rudeness, selfishness -- in other words, MALEness. It was several years into our marriage (and after children) that he had his fisrt full scale paranoid delusion. He was institutionlized briefly and, even then, misdiagnosed as bipolar. It took several years, another major episode (between countless mini ones) and a few doctors to finally correctly diagnose and treat his illness.
The thing that threw the doctors and everyone else off is the 'high functioning' part. He has maintained several lifetime relationships/friendships, a successful business, community activism, etc. Only w/in the past few years has the disease begun to effect any of these.
Unlike most Hollywood portrayals, a lot of (most?) schizos are married, have children and lead pretty 'normal' lives. Not all can work, which is a deciding factor for many spouses to leave. Fortunately, my husband can, although that becomes more limited as time passes. When the day comes that he can no longer work on his own, I, a close friend or family member will employ him in some capacity because he needs that sense of accomplishment to deal w/ his illness and life in general.



So;

1) she insulted males in general

2) institutionlized briefly; that doesn't come out as "that serious" compared to most I've seen

3) It took several years; Hell, if she had a "normal" life before it started, and then slowly got worse, she had time to learn about it and learn how to work with it. That's a LOT more than most people get.

4) He has maintained; again, if he did have most of his faculties for most of the time (and still appears to in part), she should consider herself LUCKY.

5) Unlike most Hollywood portrayals; her we have the smart-arse know-it-all attitude, where she judges others. Sorry, but LIKE SOME of these portrayal, MANY people with this ailment are NOT functional. Many get worse quite fast, and many, and I mean MANY of people with this, are the streetwalkers, the bums, the people in the streets, in shelters, in jails, etc. If anything, the "hollywood portrayals" don't come close to showing the truth, but in the opposite way that missy here believes, no matter how bad they've showed it (as she claims) I've rarely seen a movie that comes close to show how bad it truly is.

6) When the day comes ... ; Holy crap, how whiny is this... when the day comes... employment, poor freaking baby... What about those that have never been able to deal with it, those that can NEVER be employable.

So yes, her post pissed me off because she's whining about how hard it was for her and hubby, while spewing this stuff, admitting that she hasn't even looked into information about this ailment, and thinking that SHE had it rough.

She needs a reality check that from what she's said in here, she's got it damn good compared to a LOT of others.
 
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