Whoa... only thing that comes to mind.

Oh I get it, if anyone disagrees with you they're trolling. Sign of a closed mind, however I don't wish death upon you despite you clearly being less than human.

I'm enjoying all of the mental health professionals here who say that he is incurable. Psychosis is treatable, and in some cases, cureable. It's not an easy disease, and maybe he will always have symptoms. But eating your own eyeball is a degree of psychosis which is treatable, believe it or not.

/if this is psychosis, that is
//if not, the worst case of malingering i've ever heard of!

Burchill: Any one of us posting here could become schizophrenic, just as easily as we could become otherwise ill. Now the vast majority of schizophrenics are a danger to nobody but themselves, but there are exceptions.

Some of you are happy for your country to kill people for that.

You make me ashamed to be human.

Sorry but we're quickly running out of troll food. You conjur up a different non relevant strawman with each rebuttal. Give it up. I'm sure I speak for a number of Farker's when I say that your an embarrasment to the human race and I'm quite ashamed to be associated at that level.

scottydoesntknow: Burchill: farm machine: age in wars, don't divorce and no pre-marital sex. Your okay with that also? After all, Christians advocate th

I'm not religious, just pointing out that it's odd that among 'first world' nations it's the US who practices capital punishment the most freely, yet despite the separation of church and state it remains massively Christian. Homosexuality is barely mentioned in The Bible, not killing people is far more prominent.

No trolling, trying to understand why an apparently civilised country retains such barbaric punishments.

If you're not religious, then you really should shut the fark up since you have no reason to bring it into the argument. I don't want to pay taxes to keep this guy alive. And I live in Texas, so I will be paying for this sick farker.

Oh,I'm not religious therefore I cannot mention Christianity.

Well shut me up.

Moron.

The_Sponge: Burchill: Any one of us posting here could become schizophrenic, just as easily as we could become otherwise ill. Now the vast majority of schizophrenics are a danger to nobody but themselves, but there are exceptions.

Some of you are happy for your country to kill people for that.

You make me ashamed to be human.


Two things:

1) My younger brother has mental health issues, and if he ever murdered somebody, I would want him on death row.

2) Same goes for me....if I go crazy and become a shell of my former self, I don't want to be alive.

1) Did you ever stop to consider that you're the problem in that situation?
2) Again, "crazy" is treatable and in many cases curable. Are you sure you wouldn't want to be healed? Do you take the same stance if you became diabetic? How about if you broke your leg?

Stigma sucks, seriously. Go educate yourself, especially if you have a brother with mental health issues.

Guess he doesn't have to worry about running with scissors now....

Chewy.

Where's the straw man? It's fairly clear I don't approve of execution full stop, including for the entirely sane. It's the 21st Century FFS, society should have grown up a bit.

farm machine:
Even if he were rehabilitated then the state of Texas would be cleared to execute him. What purpose did his stint in the phychiatric ward serve?

Because execution as practiced by the government on our behalf is not supposed to be for 'our' enjoyment or to make 'us' feel better or to placate 'our' sense of self-righteousness, it is meant to 'punish' the transgressor. If the condemned has no idea why he is going to be executed because he either does not have the mental acuity to understand or the sanity to care, why do it?

A competent, sand person who kills may deserve the ultimate punishment... but how do you justify doing the same to someone who does not or cannot understand the consequences of what they have done?

mikaloyd: ou they're trolling. Sign of a closed mind, however I don't wish death upon you despite you clearly being le

Thought so, closed mind, perhaps an empty one.

Just damn. I bet this poor tortured dude will welcome the sweet moment of death.

Eye'd bite that for a dollar!!!!

swing and a miss.....

/really not impressed

I thought my submit was better...

/...
//need a wknd

rewind2846: farm machine:
Even if he were rehabilitated then the state of Texas would be cleared to execute him. What purpose did his stint in the phychiatric ward serve?

Because execution as practiced by the government on our behalf is not supposed to be for 'our' enjoyment or to make 'us' feel better or to placate 'our' sense of self-righteousness, it is meant to 'punish' the transgressor. If the condemned has no idea why he is going to be executed because he either does not have the mental acuity to understand or the sanity to care, why do it?

A competent, sand person who kills may deserve the ultimate punishment... but how do you justify doing the same to someone who does not or cannot understand the consequences of what they have done?

Because it's been done and is more likely to happen again than accidentally causing someone's death?

scottydoesntknow: , thieves, corrupt CEO's/CFO's/Bureaucrats that exist in every functioning society. They refuse to live

So you think government should act as if they were the most violent and corrupt members of society?

Sometimes this is the case sadly.

clownyclownzomby: Well, at least now, since his self-surgery, he is capable of having a four way with Rosie, Courtney Love and Hillary Clinton with the ability to maintain his chubby.

Nah, he'd also have to rip out his olfactory senses and blow out his eardrums.

The_Sponge: Flavivirus: 1) Did you ever stop to consider that you're the problem in that situation?


Bullshiat. Also, he never apologized to me for all the things he did when he had his breakdown.

I don't know the situation, but if the things he did were due to his breakdown, is that fair to him? Why don't you direct the anger to the illness rather than identifying him with it. Maybe your attitude to what mental illness can do to the brain is a little bit archaic?

It just kills me for people in 2009 to be saying things like this. Just like any other organ in the body, the brain can malfunction, and when it does, why do you attribute blame to the patient?

If your brother was driving a car and had his first ever epileptic attack and killed a pedestrian in the crash, should he be held responsible? Or do you say "wow, he has epilepsy, he needs treatment for that and never to drive again" and accept the terrible outcome as an unfortunate coincidence of timing.

Whatever, call it a straw man, doens't matter. The point is, people can get mentally sick, just like people can get physically sick (The only difference is the organ the sickness affects). If you hold someone responsible for their illness, despite that illness taking away their forethought, sense of discretion, and insight, then, I'm sorry, but you are part of the problem.

That's what I love about Texas. When someone here deserves to die, we kill them and sleep soundly at night. Unlike for example, Madoff's judge, most of the judges in Texas use a combination of common sense and the Constitution.

As a result, this guy gets to suck gas instead of taxpayer dollars for the rest of his life.

This person is too sick to live. Its not punishment to kill him at this point - execution is putting him out of his misery. This kind can't be fixed.

Burchill: Yeah, execute the mentally ill.

But why stop there? How about those with learning disabilities? Autism maybe? Bit of a limp? Lethal injection.

Some of you people are simply twisted, I dare say you're all from an especially Christian country as well.

I think I read about you in The Dark Knight Returns.

The_Sponge: Lex Kitten: The bible says "thou shalt not kill" and then gives a list of reasons why people should be put to death, including adultry. It's all bullshiat.


I've heard that the accurate translation from ancient Hebrew really means "thall shall not murder".

It is^

/just cuz I got Christian beliefs and tendencies does not make me a bigot.

"Thomas, 25, was arrested for the fatal stabbings of his estranged wife, their young son and her 13-month-old daughter in March 2004. Their hearts also had been ripped out."

1.) Wow, that's weapons-grade crazy right there

"He was convicted and condemned for the infant's death."

2.) So wait, the jury decided the wife and son had it coming?

scottydoesntknow: Flavivirus: The_Sponge: Flavivirus: 1) Did you ever stop to consider that you're the problem in that situation?


Bullshiat. Also, he never apologized to me for all the things he did when he had his breakdown.

I don't know the situation, but if the things he did were due to his breakdown, is that fair to him? Why don't you direct the anger to the illness rather than identifying him with it. Maybe your attitude to what mental illness can do to the brain is a little bit archaic?

It just kills me for people in 2009 to be saying things like this. Just like any other organ in the body, the brain can malfunction, and when it does, why do you attribute blame to the patient?

If your brother was driving a car and had his first ever epileptic attack and killed a pedestrian in the crash, should he be held responsible? Or do you say "wow, he has epilepsy, he needs treatment for that and never to drive again" and accept the terrible outcome as an unfortunate coincidence of timing.

Whatever, call it a straw man, doens't matter. The point is, people can get mentally sick, just like people can get physically sick (The only difference is the organ the sickness affects). If you hold someone responsible for their illness, despite that illness taking away their forethought, sense of discretion, and insight, then, I'm sorry, but you are part of the problem.

Would you please stop attributing this mentally ill person to someone who accidentally caused a death? An epileptic who has a seizure and crashes, killing someone, is not the same as a person who murders his family, rips their hearts out, bags em, and takes them home. He denied life to three people in a very brutal and twisted fashion. He tore families apart. Hell that little girl was only 13 months.

You just don't get it, and you never will. I blame the schools.

rewind2846: farm machine:
Even if he were rehabilitated then the state of Texas would be cleared to execute him. What purpose did his stint in the phychiatric ward serve?

Because execution as practiced by the government on our behalf is not supposed to be for 'our' enjoyment or to make 'us' feel better or to placate 'our' sense of self-righteousness, it is meant to 'punish' the transgressor. If the condemned has no idea why he is going to be executed because he either does not have the mental acuity to understand or the sanity to care, why do it?

A competent, sand person who kills may deserve the ultimate punishment... but how do you justify doing the same to someone who does not or cannot understand the consequences of what they have done?

As stated before, if the person that committed the crime does not understand that their actions were wrong then what are the chances they will understand being executed. Just tell them their invited to a party, their the guest of honor and we developed a neat new game for them to play.

People that commit crimes and are judged to be incompetent due to mental defect seem to be even more dangerous to me than criminals that are sane. You can't reason with them and prevent them from repeating their transgressions.

Killing your ex-wife and your own kids. Then defiling their bodies. That's a kind of darkness I can't even imagine.

A man comes up against that kind of [darkness], the only way to deal with it, I suspect, is to become it.


/not even remotely obscure.
//or relevant.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...tastes like Chicken!

The_Sponge: Flavivirus: I don't know the situation, but if the things he did were due to his breakdown, is that fair to him?


In my past, I had to apologize for the stupid things I did while drunk. Going by that standard, he should apologize....especially since my Mom says that "he's much better now".

I'm doing my part by staying away from him.

You chose to get drunk, he did not choose to be mentally ill. Again, I'm speaking of a situation where I do not know the details of his illness or what he did. But there is a difference between getting drunk and having a mental illness, and that difference is called "volition."

scottydoesntknow
Why do you think that mental illness can not make someone do a horrible thing? I have treated mothers who wanted to kill their babies, once the depression was resolved and the psychosis subsided, were 100% loving, caring mothers. Most people with mental illness are safe to be around, and not at all dangerous. I don't know this guy's diagnosis, but it would suggest psychosis (or extreme intoxication), and that can actually affect the brain enough to do a terrible thing. People who are afflicted with mental illness do not choose it, it happens to them (Genetics, environment, etc).

I'm not saying every criminal needs an excuse, and I'm not saying that he shouldn't be institutionalized for life for the public's safety... but why on earth do you insist on treating mental illness different from any other illness. Do you perceive the brain and it's functions to be invulnerable, unlike every other organ in our body?

Approves.

/linked like Hot In The City Tonight.

Burchill: s
You just don't get it, and you never will. I blame the schools.

Dude...why?
Maybe you should look at this from someone else's point of view, like maybe the people who would be in direct contact with this dude if he ever got out...get your head out of fantasy perfect utopialand where no one is held accountable for thier actions.
This is the real world. People murder others for little/no reason. These people must be punished.

jennovaZombie:

/just cuz I got Christian beliefs and tendencies does not make me a bigot.

I didn't think anyone was accusing you of that...

jennovaZombie: one else's point of view, like maybe the people who would be in direct contact with this dude if he ever got out...get your head out of fantasy perfect utopialand where no one is held accountable for thier actions.
This is the real world. People murder others for little/no r

Yeah, I'm sure this blind bloke is a huge threat.

farm machine: People that commit crimes and are judged to be incompetent due to mental defect seem to be even more dangerous to me than criminals that are sane. You can't reason with them and prevent them from repeating their transgressions.

This is one of the most naive statements I've ever heard. Or, I guess, read.

Lex Kitten: jennovaZombie:

/just cuz I got Christian beliefs and tendencies does not make me a bigot.

I didn't think anyone was accusing you of that...

sorry, I was just trying to clear up the "christians are bigots" thing before it started.

I'm scared to leave my house for fear of having my heart ripped out by blind people, any reasonable person would be.

scottydoesntknow:
You still don't get it. Find a way to keep him alive without people having to pay for it AND in complete safety so he can't hurt/MURDER anyone else, and I'll accept it. Why should the burden be on the taxpayer? Like I said again, e-mail the psych ward and offer to take him in. You can be his seeing-eye dog.

I'm not involved with your discussion with this person, but I'd just like to point out that there is a social responsibility that the government takes on to take care of the sick, to house the criminal, and to spend oodles and oodles of dollars helping those who can't help themselves. Why is your anger directed at a sick person who is (i think at this point quite obviously) psychotic, vs the thousands of people who the jails house who chose to be that way.

I guess what I'm saying is that your whole "I shouldn't have to pay for it" is rather like complaining about a drop in the ocean... you're paying for a hell of a lot with people who actually CHOSE to do what they did.