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2009-01-09 09:36:42 AM  

Kongressman Grandma: No, but maybe they wouldn't feel that aggression and racism towards jews if they weren't being militarily occupied, on lock down and getting their homes bulldozed. Also bombing their women and children to death isn't winning over any fans. Don't get me wrong I don't want there to be any violence on either side, and I know and have worked with Israelis that I care about very much. Just like innocent women and children shouldn't be killed because of Hamas, innocent jews shouldn't be killed for the extremist right wing zealots that seem to hold sway in their government. It goes both ways only one extremist group has a state-of-the-art military and nukes.


This is why the U.N. should just act on it's racist impulses and arm the Pali's. This way people will finally be able to see them for what they really are, and wont pity them when they get their terrorist, racist azzes handed to them "fair and square"
 
2009-01-09 09:36:47 AM  

schadenfreudian: If the cancer still exists, you continue to fight it. The brits started this by puting the Jews where they are in the first place. (Read up on the Balfour treaties if you're ignorant). The palestinians take pot shots at the jews causing them to get angry, and rightfully so. Anyone who tries to justify the palestinian aggression has to be a troll. you can compare the deaths and injuries on both sides all day but it's immaterial. If I am attacked, I will retaliate ten fold as a punitive measure and increase my response until the aggression stops.

/not a jew.
//feel that group faith is the cause of most international/interfaith turmoil
///personal faith is the only acceptable faith.


That cartoon makes a lot of sense...a gigantic Hamas stepping on a puny star of David that's supposed to Israel. From that cartoon you'd hardly be able to tell that Gaza is controlled on all sides by Israeli checkpoints restricting the flow of supplies, utilities, humanitarian aid, and news journalists.

You'd also have difficulty guessing that Israel would deny that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza contrary to the observations of UN officials. Heck, they should know about the crisis since it's their military presiding over the Palestinian wounded and denying them aid (new window). What's that? Palestinian propaganda? How about UNRWA observers on the ground reporting directly that it is a humanitarian crisis? Must be a ploy of the gigantic Hamas propaganda machine.

The ceasefire was broken by Israel when they violated the ceasefire by staging military operations WITHIN Gaza and killed 6 Hamas militants. Israel claimed this was somehow in response to tunnels being dug. Unless tunnels are a violation of ceasefire then Israel clearly violated the agreement first. If you want to claim a tunnel is an act of hostility, then you should also consider the month long blockade of the Gaza strip as a hostility of its own as humanitarian aid AND news media were denied access.

If you think that sort of starvation would not be a valid provocation, then perhaps your problem is that you do not consider Palestinians to have human emotion. The fact is, they respond poorly to such blockades as would any human beings.

Just because Israel doesn't always fire weapons does not mean they are not engaging in some form of hostility. At no point in time has their been a period where Israel has not been using some combination of checkpoints, illegal settlements, apartheid policy, military action, targeted assassination, blockades, trade restrictions, utility restriction, etc to degrade or otherwise threaten the independence of the Gaza strip. So, it's difficult to claim that they have ever been innocently minding their own business while big evil Gaza reared its ugly head and struck with their garage crafted Weapons of Poor Construction (new window). Israel has always been involved in Gaza and at no time have they let their guards up completely.

Let me pre-emptively link (new window)the Dov Weisglass interview for any pro-war moron clueless enough to use the 2005 disengagement plan as evidence of Israel's "good intent".

From your point of view, then, your major achievement is to have frozen the political process legitimately?

"That is exactly what happened. You know, the term `political process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The political process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The political process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen."

So you have carried out the maneuver of the century? And all of it with authority and permission?

"When you say `maneuver,' it doesn't sound nice. It sounds like you said one thing and something else came out. But that's the whole point. After all, what have I been shouting for the past year? That I found a device, in cooperation with the management of the world, to ensure that there will be no stopwatch here. That there will be no timetable to implement the settlers' nightmare. I have postponed that nightmare indefinitely. Because what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did. The significance is the freezing of the political process. And when you freeze that process you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state and you prevent a discussion about the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package that is called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed from our agenda indefinitely. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. What more could have been anticipated? What more could have been given to the settlers?"


Actually, the cartoon doesn't make any sense at all. How about that?
 
2009-01-09 09:36:57 AM  

beoswulf: DarnoKonrad: pd771: Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war

That's just a flat lie. Anyone can look up the circumstances that caused the 6 day war. I suggest people do -- but it's not your over simplistic false assertion.

What's incorrect about it?


He doesn't think that amassing 1,000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on a nations borders or blockading other countries ships are considered hostile actions
 
2009-01-09 09:37:20 AM  

FlashHarry: pd771: Mekongcola: Perhaps Israel should GTFO Palestine's lawn...

Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war, or have attacked Israel with an average of seven rockets per week for the last year.

On June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack (new window)

pre-emptive.


Yah, they should have let the massive armoured divisions just roll in....
 
2009-01-09 09:37:42 AM  

pd771: HotWingConspiracy: pd771: HotWingConspiracy: I guess it's just an accident that things are the way they are. Yeah.

If you are talking about in Palestine, that's due to ineffectual leadership from their own Government. If you're talking about in Israel, I want some evidence.

Right right. The Palestinians choose to live like this. Israel had no hand in shaping any of it. Just victims of circumstance.

well, you still haven't shown evidence of a policy, so obviously you're full of shiat.


Oh yes, allow me to access Israeli government archives to bring you the truth and the light.

Open your eyes and look at the evidence before you. Every single aspect of Palestinian life is controlled by Israel. It's much easier to manage cattle when they're corralled.
 
2009-01-09 09:37:44 AM  

FlashHarry: pd771: Mekongcola: Perhaps Israel should GTFO Palestine's lawn...

Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war, or have attacked Israel with an average of seven rockets per week for the last year.

On June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack (new window)

pre-emptive.


Did that happen before or after Egypt blockaded Israel's ports, banished the UN peacekeepers from the buffer zone and moved troops into the Sinai demilitarized zone?
 
2009-01-09 09:37:56 AM  
Sure 50 targets, but how many interceptions.
 
2009-01-09 09:38:02 AM  

TheChemist: rikkitikkitavi: drjekel_mrhyde: Well we supply joo's with the lastest and greatset hardware for free
/without us they would be firing homemade rockets

So not true. The Israelis are quite capable of developing their own missile defense/offense. Google IAI or Arrow or ugh, so stupid...

Now read what you Google. Try looking for how much American tax dollars got sunk into the Arrow.


I'm very aware of what we collaborate on. Many things. And we do supply Israel with quite a bit. I'm also aware that Israel is a major developer and distributor of missile technology. Their 'latest and greatest' is not only supplied by the US as drjekel_mrhyde insinuates. Israel is more than capable of developing their own missiles. Good ones, too.
 
2009-01-09 09:38:14 AM  

FlashHarry: pd771: Mekongcola: Perhaps Israel should GTFO Palestine's lawn...

Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war, or have attacked Israel with an average of seven rockets per week for the last year.

On June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack (new window)

pre-emptive.



You're making it sound like it was GWB-style "pre-emptiveness". It was "pre-emptive" in response to this:

"Egypt amassed 1,000 tanks and nearly 100,000 soldiers on the Israeli border and closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, receiving strong support from other Arab countries."
 
2009-01-09 09:38:55 AM  

Xenomech: Shush! By looking back at history to see how things got the way they are now, you're shifting blame away from the Jooz!


People really should read the history of Israel's establishment -- to help mitigate race baiting posts like yours.

Israel's founding is sloppy, and by no means a moral bludgeoning tool for either side in this conflict.
 
2009-01-09 09:39:37 AM  

Edsel: schadenfreudian: Anyone who tries to justify the palestinian aggression has to be a troll.

Even though the Israelis are the one who broke the ceasefire that led to this?

No, I'm not a troll, and I'm not justifying "palestinian aggression". But unlike some I recognize that Israel is as much an aggressor.


Meh. Israel attacked first to destroy smuggling tunnels that were funneling weapons into Gaza. Hard to feel sorry for the terrorist organization on that one.
 
2009-01-09 09:40:23 AM  

philotech: I think you have that backwards... Whose land was that prior to WWII? Your protip fails.


Whose land was it before Islam existed?

How much history do you want to discuss here? I doubt if any Hamas militant firing rockets was alive when any of the land belonged to "Palestine."

Kongressman Grandma: ZachF81: Here's a protip, If your country gives you a piece of land and independance, don't let your fellow citizens turn around and launch rockets at them, especially out of your neighberhoods.

Do you know what the hell are you talking about?
Also, here's a protip, learn to spell. Its independence and neighborhoods not independance and neighberhoods.


Thanks for correcting my spelling, as well as having no real argument against what I said. Gaza was granted Palestinian control after negotiations with Israel. After 10 years or so, every Israeli settler and soldier left the territory. Soon after, rockets began raining down on Israel. Soon after, missiles and tanks began raining down on wherever those rockets were launched from.
 
2009-01-09 09:40:37 AM  

pd771: He doesn't think that amassing 1,000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on a nations borders or blockading other countries ships are considered hostile actions


No, you're just a liar for saying something that's isn't true. It was preemptive strike by Israel for an Egyptian amassing Army. That's true. You're post wasn't.
 
2009-01-09 09:40:50 AM  

DarnoKonrad: People really should read the history of Israel's establishment -- to help mitigate race baiting posts like yours.


How is it race baiting when they are all the same race? The Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, etc... they are all Semites. Same race.
 
2009-01-09 09:40:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: I guess it's just an accident that things are the way they are. Yeah.


Logical fallacy: excluded middle. The only two possibilities you're willing to accept are "accident" and "those mean mean jews are just mean." There's a third possibility, as pd771 pointed out: ineffectual leadership from their own Government

Of course, there's also a 4th possibility. You know, yassir arrafat was richer than shiat. His wife and kids lived in some posh european country. That should be your first clue that this is, in part, a scam. People get rich stirring hatred.
 
2009-01-09 09:41:38 AM  
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2009-01-09 09:41:39 AM  

pd771: beoswulf: DarnoKonrad: pd771: Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war

That's just a flat lie. Anyone can look up the circumstances that caused the 6 day war. I suggest people do -- but it's not your over simplistic false assertion.

What's incorrect about it?

He doesn't think that amassing 1,000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on a nations borders or blockading other countries ships are considered hostile actions


Maybe they were just out for a stroll and got lost.


Simultaneously.


With tanks.
 
2009-01-09 09:42:09 AM  

DarnoKonrad: TheGreatGildersleeve: the crescent is a Muslim religious symbol

No it's not. It's a Turkish symbol and the Red Cross is the Swiss flag inverted.



I know the Red Cross flag is the Swiss one inverted. It's still a cross. The crescent is a Turkish symbol, yes. That's because it is a symbol of Islam. Most mosques are topped with them.

From the big W: "During the Russo-Turkish War from 1876 to 1878, the Ottoman Empire used a Red Crescent instead of the Red Cross because its government believed that the cross would alienate its Muslim soldiers.... From its official recognition to today, the Red Crescent became the organizational emblem of nearly every national society in countries with majority Muslim populations."

Don't be disingenuous.
 
2009-01-09 09:42:11 AM  

Xenomech: pd771: Mekongcola: Perhaps Israel should GTFO Palestine's lawn...

Did anyone forget mention the reason for the change in borders on this graph was due to Plaestine declaring war on Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War


Shush! By looking back at history to see how things got the way they are now, you're shifting blame away from the Jooz!


Umm... Look back a few more year...
\\baaaahhh baaahhh
 
2009-01-09 09:42:38 AM  

that_other_internet: schadenfreudian: If the cancer still exists, you continue to fight it. The brits started this by puting the Jews where they are in the first place. (Read up on the Balfour treaties if you're ignorant). The palestinians take pot shots at the jews causing them to get angry, and rightfully so. Anyone who tries to justify the palestinian aggression has to be a troll. you can compare the deaths and injuries on both sides all day but it's immaterial. If I am attacked, I will retaliate ten fold as a punitive measure and increase my response until the aggression stops.

/not a jew.
//feel that group faith is the cause of most international/interfaith turmoil
///personal faith is the only acceptable faith.

That cartoon makes a lot of sense...a gigantic Hamas stepping on a puny star of David that's supposed to Israel. From that cartoon you'd hardly be able to tell that Gaza is controlled on all sides by Israeli checkpoints restricting the flow of supplies, utilities, humanitarian aid, and news journalists.

You'd also have difficulty guessing that Israel would deny that there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza contrary to the observations of UN officials. Heck, they should know about the crisis since it's their military presiding over the Palestinian wounded and denying them aid (new window). What's that? Palestinian propaganda? How about UNRWA observers on the ground reporting directly that it is a humanitarian crisis? Must be a ploy of the gigantic Hamas propaganda machine.

The ceasefire was broken by Israel when they violated the ceasefire by staging military operations WITHIN Gaza and killed 6 Hamas militants. Israel claimed this was somehow in response to tunnels being dug. Unless tunnels are a violation of ceasefire then Israel clearly violated the agreement first. If you want to claim a tunnel is an act of hostility, then you should also consider the month long blockade of the Gaza strip as a hostility of its own as humanitarian aid AND news media were denied access.

If you think that sort of starvation would not be a valid provocation, then perhaps your problem is that you do not consider Palestinians to have human emotion. The fact is, they respond poorly to such blockades as would any human beings.

Just because Israel doesn't always fire weapons does not mean they are not engaging in some form of hostility. At no point in time has their been a period where Israel has not been using some combination of checkpoints, illegal settlements, apartheid policy, military action, targeted assassination, blockades, trade restrictions, utility restriction, etc to degrade or otherwise threaten the independence of the Gaza strip. So, it's difficult to claim that they have ever been innocently minding their own business while big evil Gaza reared its ugly head and struck with their garage crafted Weapons of Poor Construction (new window). Israel has always been involved in Gaza and at no time have they let their guards up completely.

Let me pre-emptively link (new window)the Dov Weisglass interview for any pro-war moron clueless enough to use the 2005 disengagement plan as evidence of Israel's "good intent".

From your point of view, then, your major achievement is to have frozen the political process legitimately?

"That is exactly what happened. You know, the term `political process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The political process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The political process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen."

So you have carried out the maneuver of the century? And all of it with authority and permission?

"When you say `maneuver,' it doesn't sound nice. It sounds like you said one thing and something else came out. But that's the whole point. After all, what have I been shouting for the past year? That I found a device, in cooperation with the management of the world, to ensure that there will be no stopwatch here. That there will be n ...


When the intent of the tunnel is for a staging base for a future attack, then yes, it is a violation of the ceasefire.

If it was used for smuggling, it would have been on the Egyptian side of the border.

The fact Hamas admits it's guys were killed kinda reveals the military nature of the construction.
 
2009-01-09 09:42:43 AM  

Tofu: People get rich stirring hatred.


It's a lucrative market for sure.

I'm going to go punch my boss in the face.
 
2009-01-09 09:43:10 AM  

beoswulf: Did that happen before or after Egypt blockaded Israel's ports, banished the UN peacekeepers from the buffer zone and moved troops into the Sinai demilitarized zone?


So you admit pd771 was mischaracterizing the war? Don't oversimplify complicated things. Israel started that war. Now argue if it's justified, but don't flat out lie they didn't start it.
 
2009-01-09 09:43:50 AM  

beoswulf: DarnoKonrad: pd771: Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war

That's just a flat lie. Anyone can look up the circumstances that caused the 6 day war. I suggest people do -- but it's not your over simplistic false assertion.

What's incorrect about it?


Er, obvious to anyone but you. Israel broke the ceasefire with a military incursion into Gaza leading to the targeted assassination of 1 Hamas militant. I guess you think that's cool and shouldn't be considered a violation because...it was just Hamas. Maybe you'll be stupid enough to cite the tunnel as a violation of the ceasefire and not the actual gunning down of Hamas militants.

Sorry to cut you short on the tunnel thing...I'm sure you were just itching to mention it.
 
2009-01-09 09:44:38 AM  

Swampthing in Korea: When the intent of the tunnel is for a staging base for a future attack, then yes, it is a violation of the ceasefire.


That's stupid. You're saying that preparations for future attack are grounds for violation?

You sure about that? Maybe you want to be clear.
 
2009-01-09 09:45:11 AM  

Raskolnikov's Angst: Phil Moskowitz: Why don't they just drop all pretense and back a human sized wood chipper into Gaza and turn all the Palestinians into fertilizer.

At least they'd be farking honest, for once.

I know I shouldn't feed trolls, but:



I don't think it's trolling to suggest that Palestinian civilians are getting butchered.
There's a reported 770 Palestinian dead. Many of them children.
Support services, hospitals and utilities are near collapse. International media are completely blacked out and the 3 hours that the red cross and other aid agencies get is a sick joke.
Schools and apartment buildings have been targeted, flattened with people still inside of them.
This report of "Israeli forces [shelling] a house in the Gaza Strip which they had moved around 110 Palestinians into 24 hours earlier" (new window) has (reportedly) killed 30 civilians.

This is a heavily militarised, first world country with immense financial support and more nukes than the UK pummeling a 3rd world country.
Outside some of the US and Israel most of the world would condemn Israeli actions (as well as the actions of Hamas) and see it as being completely disproportionate to the provocation that triggered it.

I don't want to get into an argument of who's right and wrong because there's no answer to that question and to discuss it properly would require a historian's life's work. Whats wrong is that these innocent people (if you view Palestinians as people, if you don't then I don't know what kind of person you are) are being slaughtered.
 
2009-01-09 09:45:14 AM  

DarnoKonrad:
Israel's founding is sloppy, and by no means a moral bludgeoning tool for either side in this conflict.


I'll tell you what's sloppy (besides your mental condition, that is) - what's sloppy is that Mohammadens had the GAUL to build a f*&$ing mosque on one of the most holy sites for Jews, and then claim it as their own holy site. Of course this is nothing new for Mohammadens, as they have done the same to Christian icons (Hagia Sofia) and Hindu icons (the Birthplace of Ram). The Hindus did the right thing and demolished the Babri mosque and were condemned for it, but I suppose no one wants to address these issues, right? Why the f&^% is it that Muslims are perpetually the "victims" in all the conflicts they cause around the world, when it is they THEMSELVES who initiate a conflict and then cry about it when they start to get their asses handed to them?

Mohammadens - kings of the sloppy.
 
2009-01-09 09:45:25 AM  

DarnoKonrad: TheGreatGildersleeve: the crescent is a Muslim religious symbol

No it's not. It's a Turkish symbol and the Red Cross is the Swiss flag inverted.


You can say with a straight face that Arabs and Muslim nations all over the world choose the Red Crescent because it's a Turkish symbol?
 
2009-01-09 09:45:47 AM  

rikkitikkitavi: DarnoKonrad: People really should read the history of Israel's establishment -- to help mitigate race baiting posts like yours.

How is it race baiting when they are all the same race? The Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, etc... they are all Semites. Same race.


Any argument that is met with "you're blaming the joos" as a catch all is bullshiat, an oversimplification, and inherently political language to shift rhetorical focus from the causes and solutions to pure divisiveness.
 
2009-01-09 09:45:48 AM  

DarnoKonrad: People really should read the history of Israel's establishment -- to help mitigate race baiting posts like yours.


Race-baiting? lol!

But you're right that people need to read up on the history of the establishment of Israel. It's amazing how many people think "Palestine" was a nation and that it was invaded by Israel.
 
2009-01-09 09:46:15 AM  

Tofu: Edsel: Even though the Israelis are the one who broke the ceasefire that led to this?

lol. I call bullshiat.
list of qassam rocket attacks...


I call bullshiat! That list is totally flawed. If I'm to believe those numbers then show me where the ceasefire began - you're chart doesn't even show them - on you're chart it's as if the ceasefire never happened.
 
2009-01-09 09:46:19 AM  
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"OWIE! Mom! He hit me!!!!!!"
 
2009-01-09 09:46:24 AM  

Swampthing in Korea: TheChemist: Swampthing in Korea: And again I ask the Farkers here.

How is Israel Gaza meant to respond to attacks upon it's territory the blockade?

FTFY.

All this whining that Hamas broke the ceasefire by firing rockets. I got news for you: Israel was supposed to lift the blockade, and they continued to carry out raids against Hamas. Hamas in turn continued to fire rockets. Truce? What truce? The single biggest myth about the present conflict is that it is a renewed conflict rather than an escalation of one. It's not a myth that's serving the Palestinians by the way.

The blockade will be lifted onced Hamas and other militant groups stop smuggling in weapons.

The whole point of Hamas is to wipe out Israel. It's in their farking charter. Their ideaological foundation means they will never seek peace, which means as long as they are in power there will be a blockade.

Can you understand that? The ideological underpinnings of the group in power mean weapons will continute to be brought in.


So the fact that the ceasefire agreement had, as one of its terms, a condition that Israel refused to comply with- means that Hamas is still wrong. Yes, Hamas would continue bringing in weapons during the cease-fire, and you know what- Israel would continue collecting intelligence on Hamas. That's why its called a cease-fire- not a peace.

Also, another news flash: Hamas has no obligation to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, primarily because it doesn't have one. They took a whole lot of land that wasn't theirs in 1948- period. What makes you think the Palestinians will stop until they get it back? If someone took my home 60 years ago, and I still don't have it back- why is it wrong for me to keep fighting- how do I cede the moral high ground by refusing to back down? To quote David Ben Gurion:

If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?
 
2009-01-09 09:46:26 AM  

Xenomech: FlashHarry: pd771: Mekongcola: Perhaps Israel should GTFO Palestine's lawn...

Perhaps Palestine and Egypt shouldn't have started the six day war, or have attacked Israel with an average of seven rockets per week for the last year.

On June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack (new window)

pre-emptive.

You're making it sound like it was GWB-style "pre-emptiveness". It was "pre-emptive" in response to this:

"Egypt amassed 1,000 tanks and nearly 100,000 soldiers on the Israeli border and closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, receiving strong support from other Arab countries."


Not to mention Egypt, despite the prevailing myth had far more advanced fighters and bombers than Israel. If Israel doesn't destroy 75% of Egypt's air support they would have had really no means of countering the four massive armoured divisions. I know Israel had 6 divisions, but read closely, they had less tanks and tank destroyers.

This was also the case with Syria and Iraq.
 
2009-01-09 09:46:51 AM  

philotech: ZachF81: Magruda: It's a good thing all of those innocent
....

I think you have that backwards... Whose land was that prior to WWII? Your protip fails.


Strictly speaking, it was Britain's land.
 
2009-01-09 09:47:06 AM  

that_other_internet: Maybe you'll be stupid enough to cite the tunnel as a violation of the ceasefire and not the actual gunning down of Hamas militants.


So the tunnel was digging itself?
 
2009-01-09 09:47:25 AM  

Raskolnikov's Angst: what's sloppy is that Mohammadens had the GAUL


What's Roman France got to do with anything. Mohammadens classy.
 
2009-01-09 09:48:18 AM  

DarnoKonrad: rikkitikkitavi: DarnoKonrad: People really should read the history of Israel's establishment -- to help mitigate race baiting posts like yours.

How is it race baiting when they are all the same race? The Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, etc... they are all Semites. Same race.

Any argument that is met with "you're blaming the joos" as a catch all is bullshiat, an oversimplification, and inherently political language to shift rhetorical focus from the causes and solutions to pure divisiveness.


Agreed. But stop calling it 'race baiting' or racial hatred or anything associated with race. It's not. They are the same race.
It's religious.
 
2009-01-09 09:48:30 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Link (new window)


Maybe she should stand in front of a Qassam launcher?
 
2009-01-09 09:48:52 AM  

Xenomech: But you're right that people need to read up on the history of the establishment of Israel. It's amazing how many people think "Palestine" was a nation and that it was invaded by Israel.


Fine strawman. Yes, I encourage people to read history. Clearly you haven't. Or you're intentionally being obtuse.
 
2009-01-09 09:48:57 AM  
The way Israel defends itself, it's just so...I don't know. It's almost like their people suffered a collective trauma on the level of genocide, that's how hard they fight now to protect themselves.

All this religion-fueled bullshiat is gonna plunge the world into darkness, or worse. We still haven't learned that the here and now is all that's certain.
 
2009-01-09 09:49:45 AM  

FlashHarry: here's a hint - if you're making a chart to illustrate a point, it helps to spell "mortar" right.


Hey, thanks for pointing out a simple spelling mistake, thinking that makes you look smart, but instead, giving me a great opening to repost the same exact chart, so now, even more people will see it!

This is why israel invaded. If they'd stop shooting shiat at them, there'd be peace in the re-jan*
upload.wikimedia.org

* that spelling mistake is for you FlashHarry. Let's see if you give me a chance to post the chart again.
 
2009-01-09 09:49:59 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Raskolnikov's Angst: what's sloppy is that Mohammadens had the GAUL

What's Roman France got to do with anything. Mohammadens classy.


Spelling mistake. My bad.

Now how about addressing what I actually said, retard?
 
2009-01-09 09:50:14 AM  

Mekongcola: Perhaps Israel should GTFO Palestine's lawn...


Hmmm, let's see. You're leaving out the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, and as usual, it was started by the Arabs. To the victor goes the spoils.
 
2009-01-09 09:50:21 AM  
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2009-01-09 09:50:23 AM  

ZachF81: philotech: I think you have that backwards... Whose land was that prior to WWII? Your protip fails.

Whose land was it before Islam existed?

How much history do you want to discuss here? I doubt if any Hamas militant firing rockets was alive when any of the land belonged to "Palestine."

Kongressman Grandma: ZachF81: Here's a protip, If your country gives you a piece of land and independance, don't let your fellow citizens turn around and launch rockets at them, especially out of your neighberhoods.

Do you know what the hell are you talking about?
Also, here's a protip, learn to spell. Its independence and neighborhoods not independance and neighberhoods.

Thanks for correcting my spelling, as well as having no real argument against what I said. Gaza was granted Palestinian control after negotiations with Israel. After 10 years or so, every Israeli settler and soldier left the territory. Soon after, rockets began raining down on Israel. Soon after, missiles and tanks began raining down on wherever those rockets were launched from.


You can only go back so far in history to declare ownership. There is a point in history where the world could be considered settled or established where maps could be made defining what countries own what land, etc... and that time would be somewhere aound WWI.
 
2009-01-09 09:50:40 AM  

that_other_internet: Er, obvious to anyone but you. Israel broke the ceasefire with a military incursion into Gaza leading to the targeted assassination of 1 Hamas militant. I guess you think that's cool and shouldn't be considered a violation because...it was just Hamas. Maybe you'll be stupid enough to cite the tunnel as a violation of the ceasefire and not the actual gunning down of Hamas militants.

Sorry to cut you short on the tunnel thing...I'm sure you were just itching to mention it.


Was that before or after they were still firing rockets into Israel?

DarnoKonrad: So you admit pd771 was mischaracterizing the war? Don't oversimplify complicated things. Israel started that war. Now argue if it's justified, but don't flat out lie they didn't start it.


I didn't say the started the military action. I said they started the war. Which is true by their actions. And everyone would agree if it wasn't Israel. However, somehow is still ok to be racist against jews.
 
2009-01-09 09:51:50 AM  

DarnoKonrad: beoswulf: Did that happen before or after Egypt blockaded Israel's ports, banished the UN peacekeepers from the buffer zone and moved troops into the Sinai demilitarized zone?

So you admit pd771 was mischaracterizing the war? Don't oversimplify complicated things. Israel started that war. Now argue if it's justified, but don't flat out lie they didn't start it.


And Germany invaded Poland in 1939 because of all those provocative border incidents, right?
 
2009-01-09 09:51:51 AM  
I enjoy the righteous indignation of people who bomb the crap out of sovereign nations at will.

Milkbeer: ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR. Sorry muslims, you're on darwin's check list. In the future, here may be some guiding principles.

1) Raise your family to be successful
2) Have children out of love, not to have a bigger army,
3) Coexist.


Ahhh, that's the stuff. Sweet, sweet hypocrisy. Yummy!
 
2009-01-09 09:51:59 AM  

DarnoKonrad: SingerWang: Stop biatching and give us realistic solution...

End segregation and give Palestinians in the occupied territories the right to vote.

Hamas is a symptom of a political vacuum.


So your solution is the de facto destruction of Israel. Awesome!
 
2009-01-09 09:52:15 AM  

Degree Absolute: DarnoKonrad: Link (new window)

Maybe she should stand in front of a Qassam launcher?


Who says she wouldn't?

Or are you implying you'd like to see her dead? Any criticism of Israel, legitimate or not burns you alive doesn't it?

Qassam's are murder.

So is what Israel is doing.
 
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