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2009-01-09 01:00:45 PM
Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: philotech: nemecizer: I frankly would not have a problem if the Israelis killed every living thing in Gaza, down to the lizards. I would also hope they'd add the anti-semitic assholes who post in this thread.fark the Palestinians and fark YOU!

Wow, they don't come more ignorant than you do they?

Why do you hate the Jews, Jason? Did one of them come to your house and knock the dick out of your mouth?

LOOK, Trollzilla is attacking the city!

Good rebuttal you racist piece of shiat. Implying that the man is an anti-semite for being critical of your precious Israel and also teh gay. Very clever. You just love posting intelligent things don't you.

You are assuming I am Jewish or that Israel is precious to me. You were speaking of racism, you imbecilic little twit?

Why do you hate the Jews Grandma, did one of them come to your work and knock the dick out of your mouth?

You got me I hate the Jews. Including my grandfather. You seem to be highly fixated upon dicks in mouths. I notice its a theme that's prevalent in your postings. Now I'm no sodomite if that's what you're implying. Maybe you're not a rabid zionist, maybe your just a little pathetic man who's contribution to a political discussion is limited to dopey rhetorical questions, calls for genocide and an unnatural fixation on men performing oral sex.


Why do you hate sodomites, Grandma? Did one of them come to your house and steal your cookies?
 
2009-01-09 01:01:07 PM
fark right and wrong - those are matters of irreconcilable opinions.

The people who voted for Hamas deserve to suffer because they are stupid.

It doesn't matter how much they believe it is right to kill Israeli civilians they are living in a fantasy land by believing the Israelis will ever agree with that or respond differently than they always have and always will.

If they don't make peace they won't have peace.

where does this wishful thinking, that random revenge rockets help their cause come from?

Do Hamas politicians need to pretend to be tough to maintain their status and power?

Are Gaza residents so consumed with hate they sacrifice their future and the future of their children on the alter of these pathetic attacks?

Do they think the retards who pay lip service in anti-Israeli demonstrations will deliver them?

Does Islam make them hopelessly fatalistic and ineffectual?

They will never get anywhere with the violence game, it is just a selfish expression of childish emotion.
Violence has failed generation after generation, try peace and compromise.
 
2009-01-09 01:03:07 PM
I have known Jews in my time, though true that most of them would drive over their own mothers for a nickel, not all of them are the blood thirsty savages the media makes them out to be. One of my Jewish friends told me he thought that the IDF were being too heavy handed. He then picked my pocket and turned his hooked nose around and ran off laughing with bits of matzo balls flying from his mouth as he laughed. So there you have it.
 
2009-01-09 01:04:42 PM
nemecizer: Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: philotech: nemecizer: I frankly would not have a problem if the Israelis killed every living thing in Gaza, down to the lizards. I would also hope they'd add the anti-semitic assholes who post in this thread.fark the Palestinians and fark YOU!

Wow, they don't come more ignorant than you do they?

Why do you hate the Jews, Jason? Did one of them come to your house and knock the dick out of your mouth?

LOOK, Trollzilla is attacking the city!

Good rebuttal you racist piece of shiat. Implying that the man is an anti-semite for being critical of your precious Israel and also teh gay. Very clever. You just love posting intelligent things don't you.

You are assuming I am Jewish or that Israel is precious to me. You were speaking of racism, you imbecilic little twit?

Why do you hate the Jews Grandma, did one of them come to your work and knock the dick out of your mouth?

You got me I hate the Jews. Including my grandfather. You seem to be highly fixated upon dicks in mouths. I notice its a theme that's prevalent in your postings. Now I'm no sodomite if that's what you're implying. Maybe you're not a rabid zionist, maybe your just a little pathetic man who's contribution to a political discussion is limited to dopey rhetorical questions, calls for genocide and an unnatural fixation on men performing oral sex.

Why do you hate sodomites, Grandma? Did one of them come to your house and steal your cookies?


I'm starting to take a shine to you nemecizer!
 
2009-01-09 01:04:49 PM
Interestingly enough, Israel is now in VIOLATION of a Security Council Resolution.

Wasn't that what allowed the Iraq War to start up? Iraq in violation of Sec Res 1441? Wasn't that what everyone was harping about?

I wish there was some freedom-loving country that could go in and violently overthrow the criminal regime that is directly in violation of international law, like that evil guy Saddam was.

Maybe Russia isn't up to it, but I betcha China needs a good proving ground....
 
2009-01-09 01:05:36 PM
nemecizer: philotech: It is also sickening how no one can see anything on the other side of the fence. Nothing in this world in simply black and white. You are fed lines of shiat from both sides, then you pick a side and eat all the shiat they put on your plate.

I don't understand how anyone can label themselves Democrat, Republican, Convervative, Libral, etc... Are you really so simple minded that you need to pick a label and follow it to death?

I know fark is all about trolling, and I do admit, flame wars are fun. I just hope for the sake of this planet that most of you actually realize that both sides of every dispute good points and bad points, and that you do not have to stay on one side. There is middle ground where intelligent people meet to finally resolve their issues.

Fag.


You're that guy from idiocracy right?

Right, kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a di_k or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're furked up. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shiat's all retarded. What I'd do, is just like... like... you know, like, you know what I mean, like...
 
2009-01-09 01:05:45 PM
The Saint of Killers: I was waiting for GoodasGold or HOwlingFrog to blame this latest attack on the SEVEN JEW BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD but Fernt beat them to it.

/Neocons vs. TINFOIL Hats
//I miss Tatsuma


I guess that would be fair if I ever said "SEVEN JEW BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD"

In reality, what I have suggested a number of times is that Jews of good faith work to do 2 things.

1) Dismantle the Israeli Lobby
2) Divest in the American Media

More and more gentiles are talking angrily about these these 2 problems. Who knows what the future may hold.

If in your mind that comes out as "SEVEN JEW BANKERS CONTROL THE WORLD", thats not my problem.
 
2009-01-09 01:06:39 PM
Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: Kongressman Grandma: nemecizer: philotech: nemecizer: I frankly would not have a problem if the Israelis killed every living thing in Gaza, down to the lizards. I would also hope they'd add the anti-semitic assholes who post in this thread.fark the Palestinians and fark YOU!

Wow, they don't come more ignorant than you do they?

Why do you hate the Jews, Jason? Did one of them come to your house and knock the dick out of your mouth?

LOOK, Trollzilla is attacking the city!

Good rebuttal you racist piece of shiat. Implying that the man is an anti-semite for being critical of your precious Israel and also teh gay. Very clever. You just love posting intelligent things don't you.

You are assuming I am Jewish or that Israel is precious to me. You were speaking of racism, you imbecilic little twit?

Why do you hate the Jews Grandma, did one of them come to your work and knock the dick out of your mouth?

You got me I hate the Jews. Including my grandfather. You seem to be highly fixated upon dicks in mouths. I notice its a theme that's prevalent in your postings. Now I'm no sodomite if that's what you're implying. Maybe you're not a rabid zionist, maybe your just a little pathetic man who's contribution to a political discussion is limited to dopey rhetorical questions, calls for genocide and an unnatural fixation on men performing oral sex.

Why do you hate sodomites, Grandma? Did one of them come to your house and steal your cookies?

I'm starting to take a shine to you nemecizer!


Why do you hate shines, Grandma? Did one of them steal your white woman?
 
2009-01-09 01:07:52 PM
I have a personal story proving im an expert on the subject matter also!

My great grandfather, a jewish pastafarian black somoali christian, once married a muslim native american and they had a peace loving pagan boy. He married a hindu woman, and they had my mother who was a buddhist, she married a Bushido warrior named kip, and they had me, so im the expert on every religion and race ever due to personal relationships that are completely pointless in this discussion.
 
2009-01-09 01:10:18 PM
Plan D is almost complete.
 
2009-01-09 01:12:47 PM
We're gonna take you back, to the year 1939 when Charlie Chaplin and his nazi Israelistine regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world...
...But then an even greater force emerged, the un and the un un-naziedIsraelistined the world - forever.
 
2009-01-09 01:13:09 PM
sewiusproductions: TeddyBallGame: And Maria was a hawttie

Why wouldn't Natalie Wood take a bath on the boat?

Because she'd rather wash up on shore.

/Window seat please


Gee, aren't you edgy.

What's the only kind of wood that doesn't float?
 
2009-01-09 01:15:10 PM
Deevolution Complete, Thread Over.
 
F42
2009-01-09 01:16:59 PM
schadenfreudian: The brits started this by puting the Jews where they are in the first place. (Read up on the Balfour treaties if you're ignorant). The palestinians take pot shots at the jews causing them to get angry, and rightfully so. Anyone who tries to justify the palestinian aggression has to be a troll. you can compare the deaths and injuries on both sides all day but it's immaterial. If I am attacked, I will retaliate ten fold as a punitive measure and increase my response until the aggression stops.

you JUST SAID that the palestinians had the jews dumped on them, and then you turn around and say they are the agressors.
And your cartoon makes it look like palestinians are in a position of power over israel...

Black is white! Up is down! Wrong is right!
 
2009-01-09 01:17:25 PM
atomicmask: Clearly that wasnt a response to the slaughter of monks in sicily, or the butcher of christians in spain and the balkans, nor a response to the actual slaughter or christians in the holy land itself.

See your problem is that you are using examples from a time when everybody was killing everyone. The middle ages in Europe were filled with Christians killing jews for secretly bringing about plagues. You are selectively choosing 1 line here and 1 there to make your arguments. There is no context. You don't see people condemning all of Christendom for the evils done by the spanish during the inquisition. You don't see people condemning Jews for the time they slew the Amalekites or the Moabites and with good reason because its old news from bronze age. Yet you are implying that all muslims a substantially large portion of the world's population rabidly hate jews based on a quote from a war-like tribe in the 1400 years ago?
 
2009-01-09 01:23:05 PM
There will never be peace in the middle east.

Get used to it.
 
2009-01-09 01:24:24 PM
philotech: We're gonna take you back, to the year 1939 when Charlie Chaplin and his nazi Israelistine regime enslaved Europe and tried to take over the world...
...But then an even greater force emerged, the un and the un un-naziedIsraelistined the world - forever.


FAG!!!
 
2009-01-09 01:24:54 PM
Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Clearly that wasnt a response to the slaughter of monks in sicily, or the butcher of christians in spain and the balkans, nor a response to the actual slaughter or christians in the holy land itself.

See your problem is that you are using examples from a time when everybody was killing everyone. The middle ages in Europe were filled with Christians killing jews for secretly bringing about plagues. You are selectively choosing 1 line here and 1 there to make your arguments. There is no context. You don't see people condemning all of Christendom for the evils done by the spanish during the inquisition. You don't see people condemning Jews for the time they slew the Amalekites or the Moabites and with good reason because its old news from bronze age. Yet you are implying that all muslims a substantially large portion of the world's population rabidly hate jews based on a quote from a war-like tribe in the 1400 years ago?


No, as the world grew out of this phase, islam did not.

Islam continues age old traditions of murder and violence, while most of the world has grown out of it.
 
2009-01-09 01:29:09 PM
Facetious_Speciest:

I see what you're getting at, but the positions are not the same. Germany and jews in WWII, are similiar to the roles of Israel and Palestine now, in that the resources, organization, troops, etc are clearly on one side and lacking on the other.

However, it'd be more apt to point out the ideologies for similarities instead of comparing their larders and seeing that they both contain large relative amounts of sauerbrauten.

In which case, as the aggressors clamoring for genocide of the Jews, it would seem that Palestine has quite a bit in common with the Nazis. The Jews seem to have the same sort of 'Leave us alone!' viewpoint, with an update, 'If you screw with us, we will now try to actively protect ourselves'.

So to continue the allusion, it seems like you're suggesting that the Allied powers (UN?) should sweep into gaza, wipe out any military resistance provided by the Palestinians, force a surrender, and set up a new government on their behalf? Perhaps with clean-up operations on isolated areas in the future.

I can't say it sounds bad in theory, but practically you'll have a lot of hurdles to overcome.
 
F42
2009-01-09 01:29:34 PM
DancingJester: In context the symbols are not religious.

The very reason why there's a crescent and a diamond is because the muslims saw the red cross and said "not again! I though the Templars were dead!", so they gave them a crescent to calm them down, then the jews were all "hey! mememememe! ME! MEEEE!" so the UN had to put a stop to that before soldiers had to memorize a 600 page books of red symbols you can't shoot at, hence the diamond.

Eventually they agreed to allow symbols in the diamond.

/Switzerland FTW!
 
2009-01-09 01:29:45 PM
What do you call an Arab Israeli citizen?
A palestinian who has a clue. --There are approximately 1 million arabs who live in Israel not in the territories. Most are muslims

Who do you call an Arab who keeps launching rockets and does not care if they hit a fellow arab?
A Palestinian. --Hezbollah and Hamas attacks have killed arab muslims in Israel.

What do you call a Palestinian who keeps declaring war on Israel for decades, losing said wars and but repeatedly calling for the extermination of the Jews on any Middle East soil?
The hero of the left and those too young to understand (like the millenials) evidently considering the responses here at at various campus rallies.
 
2009-01-09 01:29:47 PM
AnEvilGuest

The people who voted for Hamas the Zionist government and their puppet, the American government deserve to suffer because they are stupid.

It doesn't matter how much they believe it is right to kill Israeli civilians
the ummah they are living in a fantasy land by believing the Israelis brave mugahidin will ever agree with that or respond differently than they always have and always will.

Where have I heard this before?

People don't deserve to die for a vote you don't care for, and the people around them that didn't even cast that vote certainly don't.
 
2009-01-09 01:31:46 PM
atomicmask: Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Clearly that wasnt a response to the slaughter of monks in sicily, or the butcher of christians in spain and the balkans, nor a response to the actual slaughter or christians in the holy land itself.

See your problem is that you are using examples from a time when everybody was killing everyone. The middle ages in Europe were filled with Christians killing jews for secretly bringing about plagues. You are selectively choosing 1 line here and 1 there to make your arguments. There is no context. You don't see people condemning all of Christendom for the evils done by the spanish during the inquisition. You don't see people condemning Jews for the time they slew the Amalekites or the Moabites and with good reason because its old news from bronze age. Yet you are implying that all muslims a substantially large portion of the world's population rabidly hate jews based on a quote from a war-like tribe in the 1400 years ago?

No, as the world grew out of this phase, islam did not.

Islam continues age old traditions of murder and violence, while most of the world has grown out of it.


HAHAHAHA. Most of the world has grown out of violence and murder? Do you realize how incredibly stupid you just made yourself sound? Ok lets see...um WWI, WWII, Korea, Soviets crush rebellion in Czechoslovakia, Vietnam, virtually non-stop warfare in most of South America. Pol Pot, Mao, Violence in Sri Lanka, Rape of Nanking, The Congo, South Africa, Tibet, Columbine school shootings. That's just recent stuff.
 
F42
2009-01-09 01:31:58 PM
atomicmask: Islam continues age old traditions of murder and violence, while most of the world has grown out of it.

Most of the world except China, the USA, Russia...

Yeah... it's islams fault!
 
2009-01-09 01:32:27 PM
studebaker hoch: 1) Israel seems to be using a whole lot of "smoke", dontcha think? You could just wait for nightfall and get the same effect? You use smoke for heat-of-the-moment emergencies, not as a sustained bombing campaign. In this context, the WP is being used as a terror weapon. Nobody will dare go outside with that stuff raining down.

2) the girl in VietNam was hit by a napalm strike, not WP.



Addressing point #2 first: Let it be said for the record that you are correct - the girl in Vietnam was hit during a napalm strike. My mistake, but I think you can see it was an honest mistake. Both napalm and WP, when employed as ground attack weapons, create sustained burning through a chemical process... and that poor girl would have probably looked the same even if WP was used.

As to your first point: Smoke is used as necessary to effectively conceal troop movements. It is not used only for "heat-of-the-moment emergencies"; it is a standard operational procedure. The idea that any military should halt daylight operations for the sake of not employing smoke is ludicrous (any military FARKers wish to comment on this?).

There is no shred of evidence to suggest that Israel is using WP as a "terror weapon" - in fact, your picture directly refutes that. If WP was being used as an offensive weapon, it would have been aimed and detonated on a ground target. The photo clearly shows that this was an airbursting smoke shell.

The word "phosphorus" is a scary word, and you're using it to try and frighten people into thinking that Israel is doing something unlawful, when they're really not.

I've seen anti-Israel activists use this tactic before - taking advantage of most people's lack of knowledge concerning military technologies. I met one protester who was screaming "Israel is using nerve gas on the Palestinians!" I called bullshiat. He said "well, it's poison gas!" I called bullshiat again. His smarter colleague said "it's not poison gas, but the Israeli's have been employing CS Agents against Palestinians." CS Agents? That sounds terrible. Until you realize that "CS Agents" are commonly referred to as "tear gas". I asked "the same CS Agents that US police departments use against World Bank protesters, right here in the US?" He admitted yes.

I also remember a Mid-East conflict class, where the topic was the '67 war. Someone was arguing that Israel was the aggressor, because they "placed rockets at the border of Egypt". What she didn't say was that those "rockets" were actually Hawk air defense missiles, a US short-range anti-aircraft weapon, a defensive weapon. The term "rockets" implied an offensive weapon targeting Egypt.

So let's drop "WP" and "phosphorus" from our discussion, since the Israelis are NOT using that as an offensive weapon.
 
2009-01-09 01:34:48 PM
quietwalker

So to continue the allusion, it seems like you're suggesting that the Allied powers (UN?) should sweep into gaza, wipe out any military resistance provided by the Palestinians, force a surrender, and set up a new government on their behalf?

No, I'm suggesting that both sides are full of hate and guilty of crimes against the other. I was just having fun with the analogy.

Really, you can't take any direct correlation like that too seriously. I do think there's a certain amount of irony in a nation of Jews sending people to walled ghettos and cutting off supplies until they nearly self-destruct, but that's about as far as it goes.
 
2009-01-09 01:36:05 PM
VultureTX: What do you call a Palestinian who keeps declaring war on Israel for decades, losing said wars and but repeatedly calling for the extermination of the Jews on any Middle East soil?
The hero of the left and those too young to understand (like the millenials) evidently considering the responses here at at various campus rallies.


Are you retarded or something? The left is divided between liberal Jews who support Israel and the usual NYU "Free Palestine" crowd.

But you go on believing in those evil liberals destroying things if it makes you sleep better at night.
 
F42
2009-01-09 01:36:46 PM
joshik72: Addressing point #2 first: Let it be said for the record that you are correct - the girl in Vietnam was hit during a napalm strike. My mistake, but I think you can see it was an honest mistake. Both napalm and WP, when employed as ground attack weapons, create sustained burning through a chemical process... and that poor girl would have probably looked the same even if WP was used.

Phosphorous burns to the bone, she'd have been much worse off.

BTW, the official DoD line on her was, for the longest time, that she had cooking oil dropped on her in a panic caused by the sound of fighting.

/plausible deniability, in 100% of cases.
 
2009-01-09 01:40:13 PM
Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Clearly that wasnt a response to the slaughter of monks in sicily, or the butcher of christians in spain and the balkans, nor a response to the actual slaughter or christians in the holy land itself.

See your problem is that you are using examples from a time when everybody was killing everyone. The middle ages in Europe were filled with Christians killing jews for secretly bringing about plagues. You are selectively choosing 1 line here and 1 there to make your arguments. There is no context. You don't see people condemning all of Christendom for the evils done by the spanish during the inquisition. You don't see people condemning Jews for the time they slew the Amalekites or the Moabites and with good reason because its old news from bronze age. Yet you are implying that all muslims a substantially large portion of the world's population rabidly hate jews based on a quote from a war-like tribe in the 1400 years ago?

No, as the world grew out of this phase, islam did not.

Islam continues age old traditions of murder and violence, while most of the world has grown out of it.

HAHAHAHA. Most of the world has grown out of violence and murder? Do you realize how incredibly stupid you just made yourself sound? Ok lets see...um WWI, WWII, Korea, Soviets crush rebellion in Czechoslovakia, Vietnam, virtually non-stop warfare in most of South America. Pol Pot, Mao, Violence in Sri Lanka, Rape of Nanking, The Congo, South Africa, Tibet, Columbine school shootings. That's just recent stuff.


DURP, when talking about religions and religious wars "aka the crusades" it is good to follow the thought process that when I say "rest of the world" I refer to "rest of the worlds religions"

I know, you seem a little slow, and I like to help the children.
 
2009-01-09 01:43:17 PM
joshik72: I've seen anti-Israel activists use this tactic before - taking advantage of most people's lack of knowledge concerning military technologies. I met one protester who was screaming "Israel is using nerve gas on the Palestinians!" I called bullshiat. He said "well, it's poison gas!" I called bullshiat again. His smarter colleague said "it's not poison gas, but the Israeli's have been employing CS Agents against Palestinians." CS Agents? That sounds terrible. Until you realize that "CS Agents" are commonly referred to as "tear gas".

You're not very smart.

Use of CS in war is prohibited under the terms of the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention. That includes tear gas.

Police use it sometimes during protests, but you're not allowed using it in war-time and ESPECIALLY not in tight civilian quarter.

So let's drop "WP" and "phosphorus" from our discussion, since the Israelis are NOT using that as an offensive weapon.

I see. The problem is not with your use of defensive and offensive, it is the word WEAPON. Article 2, protocol III of the 1980 UN Convention on Certain Weapons bans their use against civilians.

Here's where you explain how the white phosporus bombs differentiate themselves between militants and civilians...

Nice pic that shows the IDF using a prohibited weapon, we can file that away for future use in court.
 
2009-01-09 01:46:11 PM
joshik72: I've seen anti-Israel activists...

And your telling opening phrase makes it crystal clear where your blind allegiances lie.

Pro-Palestinian doesn't equate to anti-Israel.
 
2009-01-09 01:48:02 PM
DarnoKonrad: Farking Canuck: Hypothetical situation:

Native North Americans start firing rockets into American towns and cities (intentionally targeting civilians). The more extreme members of this (fictional) Native group feel that all Americans (who are not natives) should be "wiped off the face of the earth". These Natives hide their weapons caches in their schools and ceremonial tepees and they themselves launch their attacks from within their own civilian areas (making sure that any reprisals will have maximum civilian casualties).

What would be the American response??

Hypothetical situation:

Radical Texans and Minnesotans invade and build settlements in Mexico and Canada. Mexicans and Canadians get pissed and fire rockets in the United States.

What would be the American response??


Still too many missing variables from the analogy, though it is better.

I'll go ahead and answer both questions anyway though; the American response would be effective.

The "injuns" would be arrested, stuffed into jails, and prosecuted for their crimes, the remaining people would continue to have infrastructure and law enforcement instead of constant power vacuums and shut downs of food, water and power.

The "Radical Texans and Minnesotans" would be left to the local authorities (and summarily imprisoned, because Mexico and Canadia don't have the Death Penalty) or forcibly removed "for their own protection" while the military sites that attacked the US would be destroyed if the rocket and mortar fire did not stop immediately.

Of course to be TRUE to the analogy the Americans would have to have stolen most of the land in living memory, the Native Americans would have to number 54 million or so, they would have to be shoved into Utah and Nevada, but those two states modified so they were separated. The Injuns would have to constantly have their leadership and/or law enforcement types removed so that only thug-rule could exist without any real social order. The 'Muricans would have to be regularly raiding across the border, and "punishing" the criminals with token wrist-slaps. Also add in foreign interventions like Iran, general stupidity, much more active "x supremacist" movements on both sides, etc. etc.

There's more nuances to add, but I'm bored now. So let's talk about Babylon 5.

Good show? or Great show?
 
2009-01-09 01:51:15 PM
joshik72

There is no shred of evidence to suggest that Israel is using WP as a "terror weapon" - in fact, your picture directly refutes that.


www.venusproject.com

This guy doesn't look scared at all. Probably just out for his morning jog.


If WP was being used as an offensive weapon, it would have been aimed and detonated on a ground target. The photo clearly shows that this was an airbursting smoke shell.

imgs.sfgate.com

Sometimes the Israelis miss the sky and accidentally the ground.


/*EVERYBODY* who uses WP claims "it's just a harmless bunny rabbit".
 
2009-01-09 01:53:35 PM
atomicmask: Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Clearly that wasnt a response to the slaughter of monks in sicily, or the butcher of christians in spain and the balkans, nor a response to the actual slaughter or christians in the holy land itself.

See your problem is that you are using examples from a time when everybody was killing everyone. The middle ages in Europe were filled with Christians killing jews for secretly bringing about plagues. You are selectively choosing 1 line here and 1 there to make your arguments. There is no context. You don't see people condemning all of Christendom for the evils done by the spanish during the inquisition. You don't see people condemning Jews for the time they slew the Amalekites or the Moabites and with good reason because its old news from bronze age. Yet you are implying that all muslims a substantially large portion of the world's population rabidly hate jews based on a quote from a war-like tribe in the 1400 years ago?

No, as the world grew out of this phase, islam did not.

Islam continues age old traditions of murder and violence, while most of the world has grown out of it.

HAHAHAHA. Most of the world has grown out of violence and murder? Do you realize how incredibly stupid you just made yourself sound? Ok lets see...um WWI, WWII, Korea, Soviets crush rebellion in Czechoslovakia, Vietnam, virtually non-stop warfare in most of South America. Pol Pot, Mao, Violence in Sri Lanka, Rape of Nanking, The Congo, South Africa, Tibet, Columbine school shootings. That's just recent stuff.

DURP, when talking about religions and religious wars "aka the crusades" it is good to follow the thought process that when I say "rest of the world" I refer to "rest of the worlds religions"

I know, you seem a little slow, and I like to help the children.


Actually I believe it is you who is slow. You're saying no other religious groups have been involved in violence at all lately? What about the evangelical groups who pedal war to their drooling followers. Its partly how Bush got middle America on board for the senseless invasion of Iraq, who, may I add, was a secular country w/ no ties to 9/11 or Bin Ladin. Or what about those lovely Christians who blow up abortion clinics. If you were Christian would you wanna be lumped in with them? What about all that Catholic vs. Protestant violence in Ireland? Didn't they leave that back in the 17th century? How about rabbis blessing missiles in Israel?

Granted there's a more primitive nature to their violence, I ask you whats the difference between cutting off a contractors head with a sword or dropping a guided missile and killing a house full of civilians?

As for me I think its all BS except the golden rule.
 
2009-01-09 01:56:08 PM
Herunar: joshik72: GavinTheAlmighty: The death of 800 civilians is tragic and regrettable


Pardon me - 800 civilians? Citation, please.

This one here mentioned it (first one I found).




The Kiev Post isn't a great source. That number represents the overall number of casualties, failing to discern between combatant and civilian. About 75%-80% of the fatalities have been Hamas combatants. Of course 20%-25% civilian deaths are terrible, but considering that the Hamas strategy is to purposely launch attacks from within the civilian areas, 75% accuracy ends up being a pretty damn impressive rate.

Since my grandmother was from Byelaya Tserkov, I won't be mean...
 
2009-01-09 01:56:42 PM
PC LOAD LETTER
Are you retarded or something? The left is divided between liberal Jews who support Israel and the usual NYU "Free Palestine" crowd.
But you go on believing in those evil liberals destroying things if it makes you sleep better at night.


So you are saying that at most 3 million liberal jews(AIPAC has about 2 mil paying supporters) counter the tens of millions of leftists here in the US. Or are the Left just lying about their membership/support maybe? Whatever an ill informed mob is still a nuisance.

And no I sleep soundly because 99.999% of the Left can't argue outside the Web, much less actually affect change through physical action. As noted by the present situation and congress'(and eventually Obama's) response to the present Gaza raid. But thanks for caring ;)
 
2009-01-09 01:57:35 PM
fernt: Noam Chimpsky: The US started the war with Japan because they sunk a Japanese submarine an hour before Japan countered with their famous aerial attack.

And FDR knew it was coming and issued no warning - in order to get the American people behind a war they didn't want anything to do with:


Just like your father knew what was coming, and failed to warn your mother, resulting in utter disaster about 9 months later.
 
2009-01-09 02:04:13 PM
GoodasGold: The Saint of Killers: I was waiting for GoodasGold or HOwlingFrog to blame this latest attack on the SEVEN JEW BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD but Fernt beat them to it.

/Neocons vs. TINFOIL Hats
//I miss Tatsuma

I guess that would be fair if I ever said "SEVEN JEW BANKERS WHO CONTROL THE WORLD"

In reality, what I have suggested a number of times is that Jews of good faith work to do 2 things.

1) Dismantle the Israeli Lobby
2) Divest in the American Media

More and more gentiles are talking angrily about these these 2 problems. Who knows what the future may hold.

If in your mind that comes out as "SEVEN JEW BANKERS CONTROL THE WORLD", thats not my problem.


mysite.verizon.net

Zee bihrds!! I must inform zee bihrds!!
 
2009-01-09 02:06:35 PM
Can someone find one war/genocide currently going on that doesn't involve Muslims on one side or both?
 
2009-01-09 02:17:25 PM
Facetious_Speciest: EvilG
People don't deserve to die for a vote you don't care for, and the people around them that didn't even cast that vote certainly don't.



Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it.

In a more current thread regarding Hamas there is an article suggesting Hamas isn't monolithic in irrationality and the people in Gaza are getting tired of the fruitless violence so there is some hope for them.
Not what they "deserve" what they make.
 
2009-01-09 02:20:12 PM
AnEvilGuest

Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it.

"The people who voted for Hamas deserve to suffer because they are stupid."
 
2009-01-09 02:30:03 PM
Good lord,

Dear Hamas,

We respectfully recommend to you, the individuals belonging to the organization that alls for the destruction of Israel and who have been breaking the cease-fire left, right and center, to listen carefully, inbetween your unintelegable ramblings.

Stop firing rockets, and you wont get bombed (See: Killed)

Stop hiding in schools and hospitals and using them as launch points for rockets and mortars (See: Killed while hiding behind women and children)

Stop using the painfully naive and uninformed people who put you into power as scape-goats for your insanity.

Be brave soldiers for Allah and face the JOOS from Israeli Defense Forces in open combat away from civilians.

Oh and..why dont you not try and overthrow the legitimate palestinian authority that actually is trying to help the people and work with Israel. Other Arab countries can, why cant you? Oh thats right, because you arent a legitimate culture or people, you're just what Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan dont want.

Signed,

A concerned citizen of the human race.
 
2009-01-09 02:32:58 PM
Darconix: Can someone find one war/genocide currently going on that doesn't involve Muslims religion on one side or both?
 
2009-01-09 02:33:30 PM
Any UN resolution is worthless unless it calls for the dismantling of Hamas.

/A better old musical
 
2009-01-09 02:34:32 PM
ViperTomcat: Good lord,

Dear Hamas,

We respectfully recommend to you, the individuals belonging to the organization that alls for the destruction of Israel and who have been breaking the cease-fire left, right and center, to listen carefully, inbetween your unintelegable ramblings.

Stop firing rockets, and you wont get bombed (See: Killed)

Stop hiding in schools and hospitals and using them as launch points for rockets and mortars (See: Killed while hiding behind women and children)

Stop using the painfully naive and uninformed people who put you into power as scape-goats for your insanity.

Be brave soldiers for Allah and face the JOOS from Israeli Defense Forces in open combat away from civilians.

Oh and..why dont you not try and overthrow the legitimate palestinian authority that actually is trying to help the people and work with Israel. Other Arab countries can, why cant you? Oh thats right, because you arent a legitimate culture or people, you're just what Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan dont want.

Signed,

A concerned citizen of the human race.



You aren't concerned. Don't pretend you are.
 
2009-01-09 02:36:20 PM
Oh and the next time the Farkers who say that Israel is illegally occupying legitimate Palestinian land?

Have a talk with the British, they managed that area for decades, didnt let the "palestinians" govern themselves, and they're the ones who put European and middle-eastern Jews there. The UN created Israel, which the "palestinians" refused to recognize, the same UN who they cry to now.

This entire situation was created, is agrivated and prolonged by European arrogance thinking that THEY have to control the middle east because "its just too unstable to govern itself". People say the European Concert system is dead, but we're still living with its remnants now.

Let events in the middle east unfold as they would naturally do, and if that means Israel has to bomb Hamas into puddles of red goo, then so be it.

It worked for Jordan where they had to kill 20,000 PLO members before they had peace, maybe Israel should kill 20,000 Hamas members and supporters? The only thing Hamas, Hezbollah and other Arab militant groups understand is a maled, closed iron fist breaking their body and spirits. Usually after that they are more willing to live and let live.

Think I'm being a bigot? read history.
 
rpl
2009-01-09 02:49:26 PM
joonyer

You have nothing to say. Don't pretend you do.
 
2009-01-09 02:49:54 PM
Facetious_Speciest: AnEvilGuest

Deserve ain't got nothing to do with it.

"The people who voted for Hamas deserve to suffer because they are stupid."



That was poorly written and worked against the point I was trying to make.

I'm just not sure how to phrase the difference between deserve in the sense of getting justice vs deserve in the sense of getting an inevitable result.
 
2009-01-09 02:50:14 PM
Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Kongressman Grandma: atomicmask: Clearly that wasnt a response to the slaughter of monks in sicily, or the butcher of christians in spain and the balkans, nor a response to the actual slaughter or christians in the holy land itself.

See your problem is that you are using examples from a time when everybody was killing everyone. The middle ages in Europe were filled with Christians killing jews for secretly bringing about plagues. You are selectively choosing 1 line here and 1 there to make your arguments. There is no context. You don't see people condemning all of Christendom for the evils done by the spanish during the inquisition. You don't see people condemning Jews for the time they slew the Amalekites or the Moabites and with good reason because its old news from bronze age. Yet you are implying that all muslims a substantially large portion of the world's population rabidly hate jews based on a quote from a war-like tribe in the 1400 years ago?

No, as the world grew out of this phase, islam did not.

Islam continues age old traditions of murder and violence, while most of the world has grown out of it.

HAHAHAHA. Most of the world has grown out of violence and murder? Do you realize how incredibly stupid you just made yourself sound? Ok lets see...um WWI, WWII, Korea, Soviets crush rebellion in Czechoslovakia, Vietnam, virtually non-stop warfare in most of South America. Pol Pot, Mao, Violence in Sri Lanka, Rape of Nanking, The Congo, South Africa, Tibet, Columbine school shootings. That's just recent stuff.

DURP, when talking about religions and religious wars "aka the crusades" it is good to follow the thought process that when I say "rest of the world" I refer to "rest of the worlds religions"

I know, you seem a little slow, and I like to help the children.

Actually I believe it is you who is slow. You're saying no other religious groups have been involved in violence at all lately? What about the evangelical groups who pedal war to their drooling followers. Its partly how Bush got middle America on board for the senseless invasion of Iraq, who, may I add, was a secular country w/ no ties to 9/11 or Bin Ladin. Or what about those lovely Christians who blow up abortion clinics. If you were Christian would you wanna be lumped in with them? What about all that Catholic vs. Protestant violence in Ireland? Didn't they leave that back in the 17th century? How about rabbis blessing missiles in Israel?

Granted there's a more primitive nature to their violence, I ask you whats the difference between cutting off a contractors head with a sword or dropping a guided missile and killing a house full of civilians?

As for me I think its all BS except the golden rule.


Listen, im not lover of evangelicals, they are treasonous scum in my eyes, but I hardly equate "peddling" war with "commiting" war. I can sit here and request death of muslims all day (Something I have yet to do) but until I actually go out and start butchering them, im only guilty of requesting evil. Which in any reasonable persons eyes, is far less then actually doing the crime itself.

The lovely christians who blew up abortion clinics are in jail and condemned. The lovely muslims who blow up jewish temples and civilian centers are hailed as heroes and celebrated. When america begins its preamble to the constitution with "death to all muslims, death to all non christians" and the bible says "the only way to heaven is to die killing an non-christan" we can equate the two. Palestine exists to destroy israel, just as islam exists to convert or destroy. Please tell me you see the difference.

I worked in the air force, and wrote funny messages on missles about to be droped on Iraq, this again is completely different then holy commandments declaring it the duty of every muslim to kill infidels. At its very core islam is fundamentally violent. If you can argue against this please try, but again I will back my side up with verses taken directly from the koran.

/I wrote "If found please return to USAF for relaunching"
//less of a hate message, more of a joke.
 
2009-01-09 03:00:41 PM
planes Opens a new window, so you can see what is really going on over there, not what ABC, CBS, NBC, and the cable channels that are controlled by Jewish interests in the United States are telling you.

Al Jazeera - your only source for unbiased news

/are you farking kidding me?
 
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