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(JSOnline)   You've been stealing natural gas for 32 years without getting caught? Wow. I'm not even mad. That's amazing   (jsonline.com) divider line 109
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2009-01-08 05:21:00 PM  
BikerRay: If he bypassed the meter, how do they know how much he stole?

/estimated by the same guys who set the value of weed from a drug bust?


That's actually a very good question.....


Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?
 
2009-01-08 05:24:42 PM  
clancifer: Wish I could steal it -- my ATMOS bill for last month was $587. God damn.

I keep my house at 50. My PSE bill was $70 last month.

But, free would have been even better..........
 
2009-01-08 05:25:01 PM  
mattknows: BikerRay: If he bypassed the meter, how do they know how much he stole?

/estimated by the same guys who set the value of weed from a drug bust?

That's actually a very good question.....


Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?


In my case they calculated what the average was for the other homes in the area. I only had to pay 3 months worth, spread out over 6 months, so I got lucky. (I guess)
 
2009-01-08 05:25:06 PM  
Ashrams: clancifer: Wish I could steal it -- my ATMOS bill for last month was $587. God damn.

Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.


Yeah, be careful with that. A guy my dad works with lost nearly everything he had wife, house, not his job amazingly doing that exact same thing. To make a long story short, girl brought booze over and friends, guy got mad, girl retaliated with a false claim. Legally he was exonerated. Tread carefully dude.
 
2009-01-08 05:28:10 PM  
Ashrams: Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.

Good thing none of them have sharp knees!!!
 
2009-01-08 05:31:53 PM  
Ashrams: clancifer: Wish I could steal it -- my ATMOS bill for last month was $587. God damn.

Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.


so blow-up kiddie pools are called hot tubs now? Those girls were all good looking enough where you'd thing they'd have higher standards.
 
2009-01-08 05:32:49 PM  
Wow. Did anyone read the archived stories on the left on this guy?

It began in 1976 with a two-day birthday bash at his home, where an estimated 2,000 party-goers listened to rock music while reportedly downing 52 half-barrels of beer, 600 pounds of bratwurst and three truckloads of sweet corn.

That alone could make him Fark legend but it keeps going...


In 1979, he was convicted of trying to entice an undercover state agent to set up a prostitution business in his bar, reasoning that having her around would keep customers drinking.

That same year, a woman died in the parking lot of his rough-and-tumble bar when another woman plowed a car into a group of people milling around after a fight.

There was a bulk mailing for his tavern, deemed objectionable in 1980; municipal court allegations in 1982 that he was serving minors in his bar and keeping it open after hours; a federal tax fraud conviction in 1984; a phone threat to an assistant city attorney in 1991; a four-year fight beginning that year in and out of court over building code complaints; and a felony conviction in 1992 for holding a knife to the throat of a pizza delivery man because Huebner didn't like the way he parked his car to make the delivery.


Holy crap.
 
2009-01-08 05:32:56 PM  
bonefish: Ashrams: clancifer: Wish I could steal it -- my ATMOS bill for last month was $587. God damn.

Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.

Yeah, be careful with that. A guy my dad works with lost nearly everything he had wife, house, not his job amazingly doing that exact same thing. To make a long story short, girl brought booze over and friends, guy got mad, girl retaliated with a false claim. Legally he was exonerated. Tread carefully dude.


I am too old to use the hot tub now. I just use the water to make lemonade. It is sweet but a little tart.
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/;)
 
2009-01-08 05:33:08 PM  
First I was jealous. Then I read he has to go to prison for 4 years because he tampered with the line. I thought maybe it was just one of those "accidents"..
 
2009-01-08 05:43:49 PM  
I have been producing natural gas for 24 years.
 
2009-01-08 05:45:00 PM  
www.yeslizzysloaded.com
 
2009-01-08 05:46:59 PM  
Ashrams: clancifer: Wish I could steal it -- my ATMOS bill for last month was $587. God damn.

Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.



Don't get me wrong, I'm envious, but the looks on their faces seem to be more creeped out than turned on.
 
2009-01-08 05:50:02 PM  
A clarification:

He hooked up the by-pass when the pool was installed and used it to heat some out-buildings on his property.

I live in WI and read about the trial when it was going on, that's why I know

Here's the REAL question: Any one thing that Bernie Madoff will spent any time in jail?
 
2009-01-08 05:53:13 PM  
itdood: so blow-up kiddie pools are called hot tubs now? Those girls were all good looking enough where you'd thing they'd have higher standards.

I think someone's a little jealous they don't have someone borrowing their hot tub.

Since when was being a good neighbor a crime?
 
2009-01-08 05:54:03 PM  
barefoot in the head: He owes money, so the answer is "put him in a cage". Yes, that's logical and civil.

Take his money and be done with your misguided spite.


Has to do with the government monopoly on the courts and a couple other things. The government has no interest in people recovering for stolen property. Like when the police 'recover' a stolen car by destroying it. Government's interest is in putting people in cages. As has been said before, "Don't steal, the government hates competition."
 
2009-01-08 05:59:19 PM  
I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: MBooda: But when a whole country does it...

Ukraine is weak!


I came for the Seinfeld. disappointed: not.
 
2009-01-08 06:00:20 PM  
clancifer: Wish I could steal it -- my ATMOS bill for last month was $587. God damn.

That would pay my energy bill for a year. Are you heating an uninsulated loading bay or something?
 
2009-01-08 06:02:35 PM  
Stupid neighbor should have charged a fee for his silence instead of snitching.
 
2009-01-08 06:02:43 PM  
My father is a water superintendent in a small town where the water department consists of him and another guy. For one billing cycle, he had a customer's water meter that appeared to be broken because the dial on the outside of the house was reading less total water used than it had for the month before so they estimated the bill. The customer complained so they inspected the meter in the basement and it was obvious to my dad that the customer had taken the meter out and installed it in reverse, which ran it backwards and broke it (protip: don't use vice grips on brass fittings). The water/repair bill got a lot bigger after that, but they didn't have him charged with any crime for trying to steal water or damaging water department property.

For the small town angle: The customer gave some BS story about "the meter was always like that", not knowing that the house had formerly belonged to my father's grandparents and it wasn't my father's first time in that particular basement.
 
2009-01-08 06:04:35 PM  
I always love it how when you rip of a utility company, you go to trial. When the utility company rips you off, there is no criminal recourse.

I also find it interesting that the utility company wants 31 years worth of payment. Anyone know the law regarding the statute of limitations for civil suits?
 
2009-01-08 06:09:09 PM  
Subby: Wow. I'm not even mad. That's amazing


I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now. Even though you broke my heart and killed me. And tore me to pieces. And threw every piece into a fire.

/first thing I thought of when I read the headline.
//The cake is a lie. :(
 
2009-01-08 06:10:39 PM  
Baby Diego: So I can defraud you and I shouldn't go to jail, because it's just some owed money? Sounds like a great deterrent for white collar criminals.

Doesn't make sense to cage him, because the opportunity cost of doing so is the lost tax revenue from his wages as well as the even higher cost of caging him.

His theft is now going to cost taxpayers many times the value of what he stole.
 
2009-01-08 06:14:36 PM  
Ashrams:
Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.


For your sake, I hope they're into people who can't spell.
;)
 
2009-01-08 06:15:00 PM  
JoeBagadonutz: Lesson one: Do not piss off or confide in your neighbors.

Damn, straight. More people would get away with their crimes if they just STFU. Don't try and impress your neighbors, just smile and keep that info to yourself. Be happy with the fact that nobody knows you did it.
 
2009-01-08 06:15:37 PM  
Oldiron_79: Stupid neighbor should have charged a fee for his silence instead of snitching.

What's more despicable: a snitch or a black mailer?
 
2009-01-08 06:26:43 PM  
Chagrin

Doesn't make sense to cage him, because the opportunity cost of doing so is the lost tax revenue from his wages as well as the even higher cost of caging him.

His theft is now going to cost taxpayers many times the value of what he stole.


And if the punishment never goes beyond "give it back, shake hands and make friends again" then the cost-benefit analysis promotes fraud. When the worse thing that can happen is breaking even then what's to deter you from becoming a fraudster?

While obviously not the perfect solution, deterrence is a well established part of the justice system.
 
2009-01-08 06:27:19 PM  
We Energies is seeking $31,566 in restitution

so he's going to jail and paying sh*t back? Man f*ck that.
 
2009-01-08 06:35:50 PM  
tedbundee: We Energies is seeking $31,566 in restitution

so he's going to jail and paying sh*t back? Man f*ck that.


Statute of limitations on theft is how long? 10 years... 20...
 
2009-01-08 06:35:56 PM  
I thought I was being ignorant of the law in thinking it was between him and the gas company until he failed to pay for the gas he used.

It could have gone like this:

"Pay what you should have paid us plus interest
and no one else need hear of this.
It will cost you many times what you owe
us if you are charged with stealing".


But nooooo!

Tax money goes to bringing him to trial and putting him in jail.
I bet the gas company is out of the loss revenue, and now has one less customer.
 
2009-01-08 06:37:43 PM  
After the BS I dealt with from AmeriGas filling my propane tank, me paying the bill, then deciding to turn off the gas at the tank and heat my house with portable electric oil heaters to save $600 a month during the winter of 2001, AND them, because I wasn't paying for any more gas with the tank still full, charging me rent on the tank of $100 a month, I will never, EVAH, use any type of gas to heat my home.

All electric for me baby. $250 a month in the winter and $125 a month in the summer. Fark 'em all.
 
2009-01-08 06:42:10 PM  
jayessell

But nooooo!

Tax money goes to bringing him to trial and putting him in jail.


Apparently today I woke up in a Bizzaro world where white collar criminals shouldn't be pursued by law enforcement. What a senseless waste, trying to deter criminals and punishing those that broke the law!

Reminds me of something a friend of mine used to say before he grew up: It's OK to steal from corporations, just not people.

"Pay what you should have paid us plus interest
and no one else need hear of this.
It will cost you many times what you owe
us if you are charged with stealing".


Yes, solve your problems with more white collar crime. That's the ticket!
 
2009-01-08 06:43:44 PM  
Going to prison for free gas stinks!

/got nothing
 
2009-01-08 06:46:25 PM  
Hold on here. The gas company doesn't notice for 32 years, but they are able to come to a very specific $31,566 figure? Would that be from the out-of-our-ass calculation method?
 
2009-01-08 06:50:38 PM  
Ashrams:

Mine too, but only because I let my neibors daughters use my hot tub. Yeah I am a nice guy.


I'd say your investment is paying off wonderfully.
 
2009-01-08 06:54:00 PM  
I would guess he just did a half ass install. When he put in his pool he hooked the boiler up to the wrong side of the meter.
/Used to install gas pipe.
//Saw it happen at least twice a month.
///Meter reader should have noticed it within a month.
 
2009-01-08 06:54:25 PM  
But does his apartment smell of rich mahogany?

/I'm Ron Burgundy?
 
2009-01-08 06:56:13 PM  
So we're going to have to pay our tax dollars to keep this guy in prison for 4 years? This legal system sucks.
 
2009-01-08 06:59:51 PM  
Tumunga: After the BS I dealt with from AmeriGas filling my propane tank, me paying the bill, then deciding to turn off the gas at the tank and heat my house with portable electric oil heaters to save $600 a month during the winter of 2001, AND them, because I wasn't paying for any more gas with the tank still full, charging me rent on the tank of $100 a month, I will never, EVAH, use any type of gas to heat my home.

All electric for me baby. $250 a month in the winter and $125 a month in the summer. Fark 'em all.


While it isn't hard to believe that the gas company can be dicks I kind of see their point. I take it that they spent quite a bit of money to purchase and install a tank and lines on your property. They need to sell you propane to make money on their investment. If you don't want to buy propane from them anymore then I hope they would work out a deal and pick up the tank sell it to you. It seems like a tank of propane would be a good back up if the power failed for an extended period.
 
2009-01-08 07:17:56 PM  
Baby Diego: So I can defraud you and I shouldn't go to jail, because it's just some owed money?

Sounds fine to me, just pay me back 50-100% more than what you stole.

/but do it twice and you get tossed into the clink
 
2009-01-08 07:29:22 PM  
Chagrin: Baby Diego: So I can defraud you and I shouldn't go to jail, because it's just some owed money? Sounds like a great deterrent for white collar criminals.

Doesn't make sense to cage him, because the opportunity cost of doing so is the lost tax revenue from his wages as well as the even higher cost of caging him.

His theft is now going to cost taxpayers many times the value of what he stole.


Sorry, but that is the most retarded thing I have heard this week, and I work with a bunch of jackasses.

The point is to make it clear that you are going to do time if you break the law. It's about the stability of society and making sure that people follow the rules as much as possible and prosecuting the perps when they are caught.
 
2009-01-08 07:30:02 PM  
Psycoholic_Slag: I called PG&E to let them know the meter was jacked up and my wife overheard the conversation and was making all kinds of signals trying to get me to STFU. Bottom line is, the nimrod meter reader has been getting banged monthly by my wife to ignore the obviously broken meter, and now my wife will need a new excuse to continue the relationship.
 
2009-01-08 07:33:44 PM  
nuclear_asshat: I think someone's a little jealous they don't have someone borrowing their hot tub.

I think more than a few of us have never seen a blow-up hot tub before. I am curious how the jets are engineered.
 
2009-01-08 07:43:52 PM  
EbolaNYC: The point is to make it clear that you are going to do time if you break the law.

The point is that the punishment should fit the crime.

IMO, armed robbery, murder, burgulary, etc. That sort of thing should result in jail time.

Stuff like this, not so much for the first offense.

He stole about $32k, make him pay back $48k or even $64k. Dock his paycheck, seize assets, make him take out a second mortgage, etc.

Then, put him on probation, if he does anything dumb like that again, then throw him in jail.
 
2009-01-08 07:45:48 PM  
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2009-01-08 07:46:14 PM  
ScotterOtter: I also find it interesting that the utility company wants 31 years worth of payment. Anyone know the law regarding the statute of limitations for civil suits?

Theft statute of limitations is usually 7 years.
 
2009-01-08 07:48:10 PM  
greaser_77: So how is he going to be able to repay them if he is in jail? How about some community service, probation, fines, and restitution instead?

Nah, let's go back to this. It worked so well the last time.
 
2009-01-08 08:12:53 PM  
When we moved in to this unit we had the gas meter removed 9 years ago, and have never once run heat. We have ~25 servers, 10 workstations and at any given time about 16 repairs running diagnostics/repairs. Therefore, we have to run the air conditioning 365 days a year. When the AC unit fails, it takes less than an hour to reach 80degrees, and only about 3 hours to reach 95 degrees in here. (2900 sq ft)
 
2009-01-08 08:24:39 PM  
Back in the 70s a Plumber in Enid OK ( yes Enid just like in Jurassic Park 3) A Plumber I know hooked up his pool heater this way, The metereader chaght him when the heater srarted when he was next to it and the meter did not speed up./ Cost him 3000.00 and that was a lot of money then
 
2009-01-08 08:32:15 PM  
LOCNAR69: --

That's some seriously "progressive" punctuation you're using there, buddy. Periods and commas not good enough for you?
 
2009-01-08 08:32:54 PM  
GoldDude Hold on here. The gas company doesn't notice for 32 years, but they are able to come to a very specific $31,566 figure? Would that be from the out-of-our-ass calculation method?


Nope. In Detroit (DTE) when you are found guilty of energy theft they charge 4x the usual amount for all unauthourized usage. I'm not sure what its like in Wisconsin but I'm sure its something similar.
 
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