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2009-01-08 01:04:44 PM  

ttyymmnn: When did they stop putting side windows on cars and start using gun slits instead?


THIS

American cars look stupid with the "tall body" crap. America is getting fatter, so we need a fatter car? Take look at the profile of the new charger vs the old if you don't know what I'm talking about.

We're loaning the auto industry money to produce crap I wouldn't be seen driving. I'm feeling good about this.
 
2009-01-08 01:04:46 PM  

GymnasiumPants: Not bad overall...
but the dashboard is way too democratic IMO. Putting all those instruments smack dab in the middle of the dashboard will only encourage passengers to interfere with the driver:
"You should slow down"
"You should speed up"
"you should maybe get gas soon"
"You should change gears sooner to lower your revs"
etc.

Toyota Echo is the worst of all:


Why they hell do they do that? I test drove a 2003 Scion xA and it had the same set-up. I could not, for the life of me, figure out the advantage to having the instrument panel in the center of the dashboard.
 
2009-01-08 01:04:47 PM  

factoryconnection: I do like the notched character line running down the side of the car... that's nice sheetmetal.


That's called a sweep spear. This is one of the classic Buick styling cues, also including the waterfall grille and ventiports.

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2009-01-08 01:04:53 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

These new Buicks are going to show up the imports with their top quality design and unparalleled build quality. Can you see the sophistication? Can you feel the excitement?!
 
2009-01-08 01:06:04 PM  

factoryconnection: No kidding... the Malibu is going to suffer the same, rental-fleet fate. Poor GM, they sat on their hands profiting off of trucks and "Buy American" for way too long. Model after model of dog-sh*t, boring designs (Corsica, Beretta, Malibu, Classic, Impala, Cavalier, Lumina) in just the Chevy line alone! Anything bearing these polluted names is going to have the stigma that goes along with them. At least "LaCrosse" is reasonably recent.


I owned a Beretta. Worst piece of shiat I've ever owned or driven. The thing fell apart at 80K miles both cosmetics and mechanically. Needed a complete engine overhaul at 85K miles for $2500.

On the other hand, my SO's had her Accord untilb140K miles with no major repairs, just some maintenance. It's now 19 years old and at an unknown milage and driving perfectly well (in-laws own it) and it still hasn't broken down. Only problem is Nebraska winters caught up to it and it has a tiny bit of rust in the back fenders.
 
2009-01-08 01:06:05 PM  
So GM builds a Buick that looks exactly like a Lexus. There is nothing wrong with the current incarnation of the Lacrosse. My grandfather has one, and I've driven it. It's not a bad car at all.
 
2009-01-08 01:06:18 PM  
Nice Rebadged Opel Insignia there.

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2009-01-08 01:06:23 PM  
Looks like a Camry. A Camry for people who only buy domestics.
 
2009-01-08 01:06:27 PM  

factoryconnection: steklo: Nope...MINI Cooper Dash....

To be fair to MINI, the tach is right in front of the driver... much more useful and you can use the other cars to judge your speed for most driving. The Echo, as I said, has no tach.


Yes I agree. I drive the Cooper and I don't mind the tach right in front and the other gauges to the middle. I've been driving mine since 2002 so i am quite used to it.
 
2009-01-08 01:07:09 PM  

Sybarite: I like the looks of the Roadmaster Coup they've got coming out for 2010.

Now that's going to turn heads.


That will never make it to the street.
 
2009-01-08 01:07:44 PM  

The Hatter: Even better, the rest of the car wasn't such a huge pile of **** it could handle it....as long as you didn't need to slalom.


I've ridden in one, and the term "handling" is relative. 2 things come to mind. You've never ridden in one, or you have no idea what a good handling car is supposed to feel like.

It handled like simply horribly. Mid corner steady state cornering was pitiful, it bobbled around all over the place. It's like the roll center and the CG were in constant war over who was in control of the car and the shocks were just passive bystanders.

And this was on a car with less than 40k miles with new shocks.

The steering is completely numb. You have no idea what the car is going to do once you turn the wheel, you just have to wait and see what happens and hope you got it right.
 
2009-01-08 01:08:35 PM  

foxbrook78: deebee230: The Icelander: Tastes Like Chicken: Though I'm probably not average.

I can sometimes tell a car's make and model by the shape of the headlights at night. I'm especially good at distingishing late model Saturns from Ford Police cruisers.

This skill has saved me soo many times. The only ones that can be kind of tricky are the VWs.

VWs are easy, they always have a head or tail light out. I just had a rental Beetle while my car was being worked on, had only 5000 miles on it and it had a headlight out.

/64 bug in boxes in the garage so I'm not a vw hater... just saying


Funny, my 2000 Jetta has a headlight go out once in a while. Out of frustration I just smacked the dome once and it came back on. Damn Germans.

/Also good at telling make/model just from the headlights at night. Saves me from highway patrol lots of times. Style of driving, speed of nearby vehicles changing, anything not symmetrical about the lights/body is a good giveaway too. I usually make a game out of trying to tell make/models on the road.
 
2009-01-08 01:08:43 PM  

to the orgazmobile! What? TO THE BUICK CENTURY!!!

\\\cant believe no one said it.

 
2009-01-08 01:10:24 PM  
It does seem like they're trying to make changes in their "old people" image by adding some more curves and some extra shine. I'll count it as progress, but after this bailout nonsense, I really don't care if they start making perfect cars, I have no interest in buying a product from a company that's trying to steal out of my pocket book without asking (yes - I know it's a loan, but I still didn't wanna give it to 'em).

The argument was raised that people wouldn't buy cars from a company in chapter 11, but everyone I've talked to doesn't seem interested in buying cars from companies that are begging congress for taxpayer money.

/just my .02
 
2009-01-08 01:11:00 PM  

inkling79: MaxxLarge

I've long said that if you lined up the flagship mid-size sedan from the new model year of every major maker, and took the emblems off...then took the average person off the street and asked them to match manufacturer with model? There's not a single person who'd do better than half.

How is that any different from the past, oh, 100 years or so?


Huh? Are you The Icelander's wife?
 
2009-01-08 01:11:05 PM  
Its trying to look like my Passat
 
2009-01-08 01:11:17 PM  

fifthhorseman: I bought a used Buick, and I would buy another. It runs well with minimal maintenance, is comfortable for long trips, and it's pratically invisible to cops.


Yes...Important to be invisible to cops. Very important!
 
2009-01-08 01:11:40 PM  
MaxxLarge:
Every year, we get exciting concept designs gleaming away on big turntables at the auto shows, and every year, they cannibalize the features of said concepts, and evenly distribute them over a whole line of cookie-cutter yawn-mobiles. It's the ultimate bait-and-switch tease, and it sucks.

Then they have the gall to wonder why they're failing.
You're right, but lets face it, really fancy looking cars only work for so long until enough people have them, then people start NOT wanting them just because "everyone else" has one. If your car is too unique, everyone takes notice of it and it feels like the market is flooded with them faster than it actually is, and people stop desiring them.
 
2009-01-08 01:11:53 PM  
Not bad at all-im glad Buick keeps trying. Although IMO the nicest Buicks were those 1990s Roadmasters-what beautiful flowing cars. I mean sure, they resembled a whale sort of-but they went all the way with it. Plus they came with some sweet engines and all those luxury parts didnt hide the fact it was fundamentally the same car as the Impala SS.

Damn I want one.
 
2009-01-08 01:12:52 PM  

steklo: What were you saying about grandma's purse?

(pic of buick crashed over a stone wall)


My wife was sitting in her car outside a starbucks maybe a year ago, and a old guy and his wife pulled into a parking spot about 3 spots down the row, then proceeded to drive up over the curb, through the 3 ft. hedge, across the sidewalk bounded by two strips of lawn and back into the road. He then put on his turn signal and turned back into the parking lot pulled back into the SAME parking spot and stopped the car while his wife screamed at him. There still is a noticeable gap in the hedge there but the grass has grown back.
 
2009-01-08 01:13:17 PM  
It seems like there are just too many model lines. Does GM really need to be Chevys, Pontiacs, Buicks, and Cadillacs? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus more on fewer models? (I'm pretty ignorant on the subject, so there may be a good answer I'm not aware of.)
 
2009-01-08 01:13:33 PM  

Megsabelle: Why they hell do they do that? I test drove a 2003 Scion xA and it had the same set-up. I could not, for the life of me, figure out the advantage to having the instrument panel in the center of the dashboard.


It is cost savings so you don't have 2 different dashboards for left and right hand drive iterations of the same car. My wife's quest has the same thing. It is kinda creepy not having instrument lights in front of you at night.
 
2009-01-08 01:13:44 PM  
I once had me a 66 Buick Wildcat with a 454 and a Holley 1250 double pumper.

Sumbiatch'd pass anything but a gas station.

/I lived in it

.
 
2009-01-08 01:14:08 PM  
I wouldn't buy a Mitsubishi either because they might go bankrupt too.

And they are mostly unreliable **** boxes.
 
2009-01-08 01:15:05 PM  
The 2010 Buick LaCrosse isn't your Grandfather's Buick.

no shiat, I think I'd rather have "my Grandfather's Buick"

/grandpa actually had a dodge
//his last car was a Plymouth Fury II
 
2009-01-08 01:15:09 PM  
ScottMpls: Agreed. It just looks like Grandma's ass ... or an Altima

Looks like an altima to me.

A granny version of an altima. With big granny dentures.

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2009-01-08 01:15:55 PM  

we_hates: It seems like there are just too many model lines. Does GM really need to be Chevys, Pontiacs, Buicks, and Cadillacs? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus more on fewer models? (I'm pretty ignorant on the subject, so there may be a good answer I'm not aware of.)


You're forgetting Saab, Opel, Vauxhall, Holden and others too.
 
2009-01-08 01:16:08 PM  
image.motortrend.com

Yum. The "diet" version of my rather overweight car.
 
2009-01-08 01:16:24 PM  

Kreigenstein: The Hatter: Even better, the rest of the car wasn't such a huge pile of **** it could handle it....as long as you didn't need to slalom.

I've ridden in one, and the term "handling" is relative. 2 things come to mind. You've never ridden in one, or you have no idea what a good handling car is supposed to feel like.

It handled like simply horribly. Mid corner steady state cornering was pitiful, it bobbled around all over the place. It's like the roll center and the CG were in constant war over who was in control of the car and the shocks were just passive bystanders.

And this was on a car with less than 40k miles with new shocks.

The steering is completely numb. You have no idea what the car is going to do once you turn the wheel, you just have to wait and see what happens and hope you got it right.


Thanks for agreeing with me but not paying close enough attention to realize it. What did "as long as you didn't need to slalom" possibly refer to in your mind? When I said "handle" I didn't mean "handling". I was referring to things such as the transmission, which wasn't such a shiat-box it could take the power produced by the engine coontil the mods started getting heavy).
/lest we have a repeat, let me say point blank: Concentrated Awesomeness as a STRAIGHT-LINE car
 
2009-01-08 01:17:43 PM  

Birth Control 2 Major Tom: Buicks are extremely reliable. Yes, I know they're the favored car of the walking dead, but they last forever.

Sorry it's not sexy enough for you guys who use your auto as a penis enlarger.


Any car that only is driven to the shop once a week @ 15mph is going to last for ever.
 
2009-01-08 01:17:44 PM  

Megsabelle: Why they hell do they do that? I test drove a 2003 Scion xA and it had the same set-up. I could not, for the life of me, figure out the advantage to having the instrument panel in the center of the dashboard.


My money is on cheaper manufacturing through common parts streams. Pivot that bad boy counter-clockwise by 45 degrees and it is ready for right-hand drive. Besides, if you're speeding in an Echo, you know it and you meant to do it.

kriegfusion: Funny, my 2000 Jetta has a headlight go out once in a while. Out of frustration I just smacked the dome once and it came back on. Damn Germans.


The German automakers built an amazing reputation for engineering... of the mechanical sort. The pneumatic power locks on my friend's '76 (or so) Merc still work having had no maintenance ever, for instance.

But once they got into the business of 'trons, sh*t has gone downhill big time. VW, Mercedes, and even BMW have (in general don't bug me with your anecdotes) well-documented histories of electrical gremlins. Chrysler and Mercedes merging did nothing to solve this, since they had the same problem already.
 
2009-01-08 01:18:07 PM  
Meh, just looks like a car that old people from the future drive.
 
2009-01-08 01:19:06 PM  

ckirchen1: we_hates: It seems like there are just too many model lines. Does GM really need to be Chevys, Pontiacs, Buicks, and Cadillacs? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus more on fewer models? (I'm pretty ignorant on the subject, so there may be a good answer I'm not aware of.)

You're forgetting Saab, Opel, Vauxhall, Holden and others too.


The biggest they need to kill GMC Truck which features a lineup of Chevy trucks with different names. Many of these brands are a legacy of the dealer system. GMC Truck exists so that Buick/Pontiac dealers can sell trucks too.
 
2009-01-08 01:19:36 PM  

factoryconnection: VW, Mercedes, and even BMW have (in general don't bug me with your anecdotes) well-documented histories of electrical gremlins.


Yeah. After 22 years, my Scirocco's tail wiper quit working last month. Damn them.
 
2009-01-08 01:20:01 PM  
ZOMG ITS TEH GM TEH BAILOUT WHORES IS TEH SuCK AS WELL ALL CARS TEHY MAKE SUCK AND NO ONE BUYS THEM AND THIS ONE is NO DIFFERENT IS GRANNY CAR!!!1!!eleventy!11

/not enough venom in this thread
 
2009-01-08 01:20:12 PM  
Buicks will only put me in a buying mood when they come out with a cool looking coupe. GM has a history of making ugly/uncool coupes though:

blogs.cars.com
www.automedia.com
aisle10.net
www.canadiandriver.com
www.automedia.com
www.middleridgemotors.com

My hopes aren't very high that they could pull it off, and the Camaro probably won't be a big seller either.
 
2009-01-08 01:20:17 PM  

Flying Undead Sheep: Yum. The "diet" version of my rather overweight car.


It's a whole 50 pounds lighter than the current Z and will be the same weight as the current once optioned out. A racing battery would almost make up that difference. It's shorter, wider and more powerful, but it isn't lighter.
 
2009-01-08 01:20:23 PM  
$3800.00 for sale

images.autotrader.com
 
2009-01-08 01:20:24 PM  
What a real Buick looks like

www.hobbycar.com

/hotlinked
 
2009-01-08 01:20:37 PM  
ScottMpls2009-01-08 12:44:35 PM
"Buick shocks young people, builds car that doesn't smell like grandma's purse'
Agreed. It just looks like Grandma's ass ... or an Altima or Camry.

Looks like grandmas car also.
We are probably lucky that we can't smell thru the tubes, cuz I bet it still smells like grandmas ass.
 
2009-01-08 01:20:52 PM  
Acura called, they want the rear end of their TL back


/a step in the right direction though for Buick
 
2009-01-08 01:21:36 PM  
Stale perfume, melted lipstick, and urine... am I right?
 
2009-01-08 01:22:03 PM  

Birth Control 2 Major Tom: Buicks are extremely reliable. Yes, I know they're the favored car of the walking dead, but they last forever.

Sorry it's not sexy enough for you guys who use your auto as a penis enlarger.


Out of curiosity, what would it say to you if you saw a 30 something man driving a Mitsu Galant?? You know...hypothetically.
 
2009-01-08 01:22:16 PM  

Whodat?: ZOMG ITS TEH GM TEH BAILOUT WHORES IS TEH SuCK AS WELL ALL CARS TEHY MAKE SUCK AND NO ONE BUYS THEM AND THIS ONE is NO DIFFERENT IS GRANNY CAR!!!1!!eleventy!11

/not enough venom in this thread


Venom? I saw only pity.
 
2009-01-08 01:22:25 PM  

steklo: GymnasiumPants: Not bad overall...
but the dashboard is way too democratic IMO. Putting all those instruments smack dab in the middle of the dashboard will only encourage passengers to interfere with the driver:
"You should slow down"
"You should speed up"
"you should maybe get gas soon"
"You should change gears sooner to lower your revs"
etc.

Toyota Echo is the worst of all:

Nope...MINI Cooper Dash....


That's the classic dash though! You can't build a Mini without that awesome bit of legacy.
 
2009-01-08 01:24:08 PM  

Kar98: Whodat?: ZOMG ITS TEH GM TEH BAILOUT WHORES IS TEH SuCK AS WELL ALL CARS TEHY MAKE SUCK AND NO ONE BUYS THEM AND THIS ONE is NO DIFFERENT IS GRANNY CAR!!!1!!eleventy!11

/not enough venom in this thread

Venom? I saw only pity.


Pity eh? You're slacking off, Fark. Where's the deep personal offense that GM didn't consult *you* before they designed this? Huh? HUH!?!?!
 
2009-01-08 01:24:35 PM  

The Hatter:

Thanks for agreeing with me but not paying close enough attention to realize it. What did "as long as you didn't need to slalom" possibly refer to in your mind?


Steady state cornering, one of the other major aspect of a cars handling.

You can't say the car handles well as long as you're going in a straight line. It's like saying poop doesn't smell bad as long as you keep it in a bag and don't smell it.
 
2009-01-08 01:25:00 PM  

Megsabelle: GymnasiumPants: Not bad overall...
but the dashboard is way too democratic IMO. Putting all those instruments smack dab in the middle of the dashboard will only encourage passengers to interfere with the driver:
"You should slow down"
"You should speed up"
"you should maybe get gas soon"
"You should change gears sooner to lower your revs"
etc.

Toyota Echo is the worst of all:

Why they hell do they do that? I test drove a 2003 Scion xA and it had the same set-up. I could not, for the life of me, figure out the advantage to having the instrument panel in the center of the dashboard.



The instrument panel in the middle is a HUGE advantage for auto makers who don't have to design 2 completely different dashboards for Left-hand drive and Right-hand Drive models.

/Had a '92 Tercel 4-speed Manual without a tach, not really needed if you know how to drive a stick or aren't racing.
 
2009-01-08 01:25:07 PM  

we_hates: It seems like there are just too many model lines. Does GM really need to be Chevys, Pontiacs, Buicks, and Cadillacs? Wouldn't it make more sense to focus more on fewer models? (I'm pretty ignorant on the subject, so there may be a good answer I'm not aware of.)


There can be logic in it, but they have failed for decades to make use of it. Chevy's should take up the low-to-middle range with some sporty cars (plus the Corvette) and the trucks. Cadillac is the top-end, finally competitive with Lexus, Mercedes, and the like. Saturn is being positioned as mid-luxury. Sounds like a complete range, so why do you need Pontiac's duplicate Chevy's (the G8 is a very nice Holden but could easily be a Saturn or Chevy), and Buicks are just Grandma versions of Chevy or Saturn cars. Their products could easily be dispersed to the other marques. GMC Truck? A waste of advertising. Either all the trucks should be GMCs or Chevys but not both.

Why do they keep them? A ridiculously expensive dealer network covering all the different brands. It was hard enough getting rid of Buick- and Chevy-clone-only Oldsmobile!
 
2009-01-08 01:25:26 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: steklo: GymnasiumPants: Not bad overall...
but the dashboard is way too democratic IMO. Putting all those instruments smack dab in the middle of the dashboard will only encourage passengers to interfere with the driver:
"You should slow down"
"You should speed up"
"you should maybe get gas soon"
"You should change gears sooner to lower your revs"
etc.

Toyota Echo is the worst of all:

Nope...MINI Cooper Dash....

That's the classic dash though! You can't build a Mini without that awesome bit of legacy.


Phil, I love my MINI, but I don't want to threadjack so let me mention that my dad owned a few Buicks.
 
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