Perhaps if they had instituted hammertime, she would have known to stop.

Epsilon: Laura's mother Karen Park, 35, and dad Gary Trudgill, 50, of Norwich, fought the case with the backing of the National Deaf Children's Society (NCDS).

I find it odd that the National Deaf Children's Society picked "NCDS" as an acronym for their name. Maybe they should get some help from the NDAS (National Adult's Dyslexia Society).

Don't know. ASL is based of French (not British) sign language so the syntax might be different.

Vanetia: mattyc: From the pic, I'd have guessed she wouldn't have had ANY trouble stopping

Inertia would like to have a word with you.

Rubberband Girl: Reminds me of a story I read years ago about a hearing woman who was president of Gadault (SP?) University, a school specifically for deaf and hard-of-hearing people. One of the reasons the students were eager to get rid of her had to do with this woman using a microphone for a student assembly.

Not a signer, not even some sort of video hook-up...a microphone at an assembly for deaf students.

It's Gallaudet. And I hope that woman was fired for gross incompetence.

I've heard rumors that she had a killer Power Point presentation show for the blind kids as well...

tortilla burger: Perhaps if they had instituted hammertime, she would have known to stop.

They used Vanilla Time.
Stop, collaborate and listen....

As a Deaf student that attended public schools, I'm getting a kick, etc.

stayclassy: As someone with a very severe hearing loss like the girl in the article, this young lady needs to learn to make her eyes do double duty.

You can't rely on the hearing world to do everything for you. It's called being aware of your surroundings.

This 2x.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: What a great lesson. The deaf need to understand that they are fully dependent on the hearing. I think this little example will be a helpful life lesson.

6/10.

/Can say shiat, fark, and different swear words clearly... other stuff, not so much (and doesn't give a fark).
//Yes, that skill has bought me many moments of amusement.
///DEAF POWER!

xuanzhiyouxuan: Vanetia: Memoryalpha:
/Not actually trolling, there are plenty of sickos like that.

No, you're not trolling, I used to work with a couple who were just that scarily sick.

Seriously? You're both trying to say that because a very large group of people has a very small amount of crazies, that the entire culture should be waved off as ludicrous?

Are you both trying to get this thread Godwinned?

WHAT?

LOL, no, what I originally stated was that I was waiting for the bunch who consider that particular disability to be a culture to start sounding off. Admittedly I didn't clarify that I was referring specifically to the crazies who will take a perfectly healthy child and deafen them so they fit in with their insane world view, but someone else made reference to it, so it became unnecessary. Regardless of any claims to 'culturehood' mutilating a child is simply wrong. Be it circumcision (male or female) foot binding, or a quick poke to the eardrums with an ice pick. I won't bother going into catholicism as religion is it's own can of worms and beyond the scope of this conversation.

Johnny Mash: tortilla burger: Perhaps if they had instituted hammertime, she would have known to stop.

They used Vanilla Time.
Stop, collaborate and listen....

This exchange is exactly why I love Fark. Well done.

Pochacco_10: fought the case with the backing of the National Deaf Children's Society (NCDS).

You've got the wrong acronym there, guys.

Sounded right to them.

xuanzhiyouxuan: Memoryalpha: Be it circumcision (male or female) foot binding, or a quick poke to the eardrums with an ice pick. I won't bother going into catholicism as religion is it's own can of worms and beyond the scope of this conversation.

NOTHING IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF ANYTHING

Heh, actually you've got that backwards, Anything being an infinite value is always beyond the scope of Nothing since it's quantitative value is nill.

theMagni
Apparently some parents take offence to the tests; the girl who was doing it was visibly relieved when I told her about how the tests have fixed a problem in my family, and that we love the tests. I could tell that I made her day.

The couple I used to work with would have been the ones who gave the girl; doing those tests; hell. The very idea was enough to start, quite literally, a flurry of gestured profanity when it was brought up in conversation.

Memoryalpha: Heh, actually you've got that backwards, Anything being an infinite value is always beyond the scope of Nothing since it's quantitative value is nill.

okay, you goddamned logic Nazi...H.P. Lovecraft...the bell curve...causality...the eight-bit prime numbers...

Rubberband Girl: Reminds me of a story I read years ago about a hearing woman who was president of Gadault (SP?) University, a school specifically for deaf and hard-of-hearing people. One of the reasons the students were eager to get rid of her had to do with this woman using a microphone for a student assembly.

Not a signer, not even some sort of video hook-up...a microphone at an assembly for deaf students.

Not even close. Zinser was summarily discharged because she didn't know sign language and had no connection to the Deaf community. I King Jordan was not a native deaf man as he was deafened later in life so ASL was not his first language,a requirement for admittance into that capital D Deaf community. But - he was better than zinser so in he went. Pretty good guy, BTW.

/and it's spelled Gallaudet.
//the more you know
//the less you hear
////oh and the fat chick shoulda noticed everyone else stopped running
//she ain't blind

The "Deaf Community" is still torn on the Cochlear implants thing. Some militant deaf folks actually WANT a deaf child.

/very few DEAF folks are non-hearing. The most impressive sound systems for parties at RIT suggested that the hearing folks wear earplugs.

//Crude comment here. Sex with a deaf girl WILL embarrass your roommates.

///Deaf guy that goes with you to a business meeting can read lips from a good distance away. As well as a bar.


////Signing is also a good indicator that a person has spent time in prison.

Kodak in the 70's was a great place to work, I learned a lot from my deaf friends. PS Never ride in a car with a deaf couple when they argue. ie: car swerving because they won't look at each other and smacking each other to get their attention.


Hawkeye and Elmgrove Dept 175 and 135

xuanzhiyouxuan: Memoryalpha: Heh, actually you've got that backwards, Anything being an infinite value is always beyond the scope of Nothing since it's quantitative value is nill.

okay, you goddamned logic Nazi...H.P. Lovecraft...the bell curve...causality...the eight-bit prime numbers...

Hmm, actually, I prefer the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search
Though I have to say I liked the Tesla article

washburnmb4: ⠁⠎ ⠁ ⠃⠇⠊⠝⠙ ⠋⠁⠗⠅⠑⠗ ⠊ ⠁⠍ ⠗⠑⠁⠇⠇⠽ ⠛⠑⠞⠞⠊⠝⠛ ⠁ ⠅⠊⠉⠅ ⠕⠥⠞ ⠕⠋ ⠞⠓⠑⠎⠑ ⠗⠑⠏⠇⠊⠑⠎

And I'm getting a kick that you took the time to emulate a Braille font, too.

Memoryalpha: Hmm, actually, I prefer the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search

I'm sick and tired of the rampant mersenne bigotry! You goddamned racists don't accept zeroes in your primes?! Fark you! I bet you are a Eugenecist, aren't you?!

/1011, mofo!

They brought deaf people to see a ventriloquist!

I would love to see a credible source on forced deafening of children of Deaf parents. I certainly familiar with in the wing-job crazies that make up a minority within the Deaf community, but that's a bit much.

Also, a cochlear implant doesn't magically grant hearing. It digitizes sound and shocks it directly into the nerves the real cochlea would stimulate. In some children, it works. In others, it doesn't. The problem arises when severely hard of hearing or profoundly deaf children are given a cochlear implant which ruins what residual hearing they had in the ear, are denied access to signed language for a decade or so, don't pick up English for whatever reason (There are many), and then the doctors who pigeonholed the family into getting the implant at astronomical cost go "Huh. Well. I guess there's nothing we can do."

Actually, you could have taught the kid to sign when he or she was a child, with or without the implant, and drastically increased the chance that the child would develop normally (emotionally, linguistically, educationally). Once you have made sure that a linguistic foundation is in place before the child reaches critical period, you are free to teach the child English or Swahili or Farsi or whatever the fark you have decided is a better language than signed languages, but at least you haven't ruined the kid's future with your vain hope that despite the high rate of failure in cochlear devices, YOUR child will be one of the ones that becomes a "normal" hearing, speaking adult, and placed all your eggs in that basket.

Deaf children who are taught signed languages (Real ones, not signed english) first and then spoken and written languages as secondary languages have higher literacy rates than their peers who are taught exclusively in spoken and written languages (ie, English).

EredarPoet: Deaf children who are taught signed languages (Real ones, not signed english) first and then spoken and written languages as secondary languages have higher literacy rates than their peers who are taught exclusively in spoken and written languages (ie, English).

As a deaf woman in a family of older deaf sisters, and attended both deaf and hearing schools. From my experience, the majority of deaf children taught ASL grow up to have difficulty reading basic English. Many of them can't read past 6th grade level. ASL is based on FSL, so their grammar is very similiar to the French language. Here's some examples from Wikipedia that will show how a sentence might be translated into ASL.

Syntactic word order
In addition to its basic topic-comment structure, ASL typically places an adjective after a noun, though it may occur before the noun for stylistic purposes. Numerals also occur after the noun, a very rare pattern among oral languages.

English: I have a brown dog.
ASL: DOG BROWN I HAVE
Adverbs, however, occur before the verbs. Most of the time adverbs are simple the same sign as an adjective, only it is distinguished by the context of the sentence.

English: I enter the house quietly.
ASL: HOUSE I QUIET ENTER
When the scope of the adverb is the entire clause, as in the case of time, it comes before the topic. This is the only thing which can appear before the topic in ASL: Time-Topic-Comment.

English: I'm going to the store at 9:00AM.
ASL: 9-HOUR MORNING STORE I GO
Modal verbs come after the main verb of the clause:

English: I can go to the store for you.
ASL: FOR YOU, STORE I GO CAN

[edit] Conjunctions
The concept of the conjunction and does not exist in ASL. Instead, two sentences are combined with a short pause between. There are manual conjunctions for or and but, but the latter is often signed with a slight shoulder twist.

English: I have two cats and they are named Billy and Bob.
ASL: CAT TWO I HAVE. NAME B-I-L-L-Y B-O-B.
English: I like to swim, but I don't like to run.
ASL: SWIM I LIKE, BUT RUN I LIKE-NOT

ritalinchild 54: PS Never ride in a car with a deaf couple when they argue. ie: car swerving because they won't look at each other and smacking each other to get their attention.

Now THAT is one of those Cosmic Life Lessons! Have ridden with Deaf people, but not arguing ones, thankfully

Tinker those aren't even good glosses of ASL sentences. "I" hardly exists within ASL for example. Looks like that Wikipedia article is in need of some editing by someone who is actually a fluent signer ;) Even if those were good glosses, all they show is that syntax is not the same in ASL as in English, which by no means means that people who learn ASL can't learn English well.

If you really want I can try and see if any of the articles I was thinking of are online. With all due respect, your experience and personal observation is not quite the same as standardized and normed tests used in academic study of child literacy.

EredarPoet: Tinker those aren't even good glosses of ASL sentences. "I" hardly exists within ASL for example. Looks like that Wikipedia article is in need of some editing by someone who is actually a fluent signer ;) Even if those were good glosses, all they show is that syntax is not the same in ASL as in English, which by no means means that people who learn ASL can't learn English well.

If you really want I can try and see if any of the articles I was thinking of are online. With all due respect, your experience and personal observation is not quite the same as standardized and normed tests used in academic study of child literacy.

You're right "I" isn't used. Just point at yourself on your chest is seen as I. And my personal experience is just that. It's not Fact or god's honest truth. :-)