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2009-01-07 10:32:07 AM
theflatline: crazyeddie: From TFA, it's all in the South and Southwest, the kings of abstinence-only education.

Congratulations, Christians. You've farked up again.

Did you notice they left out the break down by ethnic group. It ain't the white people in the south and southwest getting knocked up.

nothing to do with religion, but upbringing.


Excuse me? I went to school in the South. It has everything to do with religion.. as well as politics.. which are usually influenced by religion.

/Abstinence Program graduate here..
//Obviously didn't teach me a thing.
 
2009-01-07 10:33:10 AM
Fact Man: AlgertMan: Talon: That's what happens when you keep them ignorant of ways to prevent pregnancy in the naive hope that maybe, just maybe, they won't have sex before marriage even though the vast majority of people do.

Oh well, a few casualties for the sake of "morality" is nothing new.

In this day and age if you think sex ed would have kept about 99% of these girls from getting pregnant you are wrong.

THIS.

Teen pregnancies happen because teens are horny little dumbasses.

I don't think it has anything to do with abstinence vs. safe sex education, either. Any kid knows what a condom is, or what birth control is, whether they learn it in school or from TV or on the street or whatever.

You're not going to shock an abstinence-only ed kid with "this newfangled contraption called a 'con-dom'..."


Many abstinence only education classes never mention birth control in any form. They are taught that you don't have sex until marriage. So these kids are taught that sex is bad, and they know that if they are caught with birth control their parents will know they are having sex, which is especially taboo for the ones that take abstinence pledges. So they forgo birth control for fear of being caught (even though a pregnancy would be the biggest indicator that the precious snowflake is boning down.). There was a recent study, I believe it was posted on Fark last week or so, that concluded that teens that are only taught abstinence only are just as likely to have sex and less likely to use birth control.
And where are the parents in all this? No article or study I have come across has addressed this. Are the parents really involved in their teens' lives, and the kids get pregnant in spite of all the effort or are they parents that want to be their child's friend and let them do whatever they want. Many parent's see their children through rose-colored glasses and refuse to look at the truth even when it is staring them in the face.
 
2009-01-07 10:33:52 AM
people make poor decisions, like 700B$ bailouts and such.
 
2009-01-07 10:34:10 AM
Oh, also, parents should teach their kids about sex, shouldn't be left up to the schools, etc...
 
2009-01-07 10:34:59 AM
While most kids know about the existence of condoms, many of these schools and parents are downplaying the significance and effectiveness of them.

Don't underestimate how much kids actually listen to the people around them. If they are being told that "Abstinence is the only way to go cause those condoms just fail all the time and really aren't good for much of anything at all!" then when they inevitably DO have sex, they aren't going to be all that concerned about having SAFE sex.

The conservative right has dumbed down sex education to complete idiocy within the last 10 years or so and the effects are showing.

Notice that the worsening trends are in southern, highly religious areas. The ones that according to christian/republican logic should have the lowest rates of teen pregnancy since they are so much more likely to get their daily dose of dogma.

Summary: Yes kids know about condoms even if they are being taught only abstinence. Their immediate culture is drastically undercutting the importance and effectiveness of contraceptives however and it's causing more and more sexually active teens to avoid using them.
 
2009-01-07 10:35:52 AM
i_eat_beans: theflatline: crazyeddie: From TFA, it's all in the South and Southwest, the kings of abstinence-only education.

Congratulations, Christians. You've farked up again.

Did you notice they left out the break down by ethnic group. It ain't the white people in the south and southwest getting knocked up.

nothing to do with religion, but upbringing.

Excuse me? I went to school in the South. It has everything to do with religion.. as well as politics.. which are usually influenced by religion.

/Abstinence Program graduate here..
//Obviously didn't teach me a thing.


Where did you go? Did you go to a christian fundie school? I grew up in New Orleans, catholic country, and went to catholic school. They did not teach abstinence. They said if you could refrain, but if you could not, protect yourself.

We are all not bible thumping baptists.
 
2009-01-07 10:36:07 AM
Fact Man: Oh, also, parents should teach their kids about sex, shouldn't be left up to the schools, etc...

That'd be awkward. I learned about it in school, and it was sufficient. We just need to bring it back to the classroom.
 
2009-01-07 10:36:42 AM
katrina_666: Fact Man: AlgertMan: Talon: That's what happens when you keep them ignorant of ways to prevent pregnancy in the naive hope that maybe, just maybe, they won't have sex before marriage even though the vast majority of people do.

Oh well, a few casualties for the sake of "morality" is nothing new.

In this day and age if you think sex ed would have kept about 99% of these girls from getting pregnant you are wrong.

THIS.

Teen pregnancies happen because teens are horny little dumbasses.

I don't think it has anything to do with abstinence vs. safe sex education, either. Any kid knows what a condom is, or what birth control is, whether they learn it in school or from TV or on the street or whatever.

You're not going to shock an abstinence-only ed kid with "this newfangled contraption called a 'con-dom'..."

Many abstinence only education classes never mention birth control in any form. They are taught that you don't have sex until marriage. So these kids are taught that sex is bad, and they know that if they are caught with birth control their parents will know they are having sex, which is especially taboo for the ones that take abstinence pledges. So they forgo birth control for fear of being caught (even though a pregnancy would be the biggest indicator that the precious snowflake is boning down.). There was a recent study, I believe it was posted on Fark last week or so, that concluded that teens that are only taught abstinence only are just as likely to have sex and less likely to use birth control.


And there you go. It's a culture problem, not an education problem. These kids know what birth control is, many are just scared to get it because of social reasons.

And where are the parents in all this? No article or study I have come across has addressed this. Are the parents really involved in their teens' lives, and the kids get pregnant in spite of all the effort or are they parents that want to be their child's friend and let them do whatever they want. Many parent's see their children through rose-colored glasses and refuse to look at the truth even when it is staring them in the face.


True, ideally parents would teach it, not the schools. I'm just refuting the assertion that abstinence only = kids who don't know what a farking condom is.

It's called "the internet." Kids know everything with a quick google search, let alone playground talk.
 
2009-01-07 10:37:09 AM
I saw this article on Yahoo and they actually were asking for theories on how this is happening. My first thought, even a blonde knows that.
 
2009-01-07 10:38:40 AM
i39.tinypic.com
 
2009-01-07 10:39:36 AM
How about poor judgement, laziness? Who carries a condom around all the time.
 
2009-01-07 10:40:28 AM
I took anatomy in High school, my junior year. In said class we actually watched a video of a live birth (after parental consent forms etc etc). After watching that I never wanted to do anything that would put me at risk for getting pregnant. After that I also carried my own condoms just in case. Then freshman year in college, in my human sexuality course, our text book at full on pictures (not diagrams) of what each and every STD looks like. That scared me for life. I think if you show kids those pictures, and a video of an actual birth followed by whatever speach you want. You'd scare those precious little snowflakes so much, they'd not want to have sex at all.
 
2009-01-07 10:40:42 AM
theflatline: i_eat_beans: theflatline: crazyeddie: From TFA, it's all in the South and Southwest, the kings of abstinence-only education.

Congratulations, Christians. You've farked up again.

Did you notice they left out the break down by ethnic group. It ain't the white people in the south and southwest getting knocked up.

nothing to do with religion, but upbringing.

Excuse me? I went to school in the South. It has everything to do with religion.. as well as politics.. which are usually influenced by religion.

/Abstinence Program graduate here..
//Obviously didn't teach me a thing.

Where did you go? Did you go to a christian fundie school? I grew up in New Orleans, catholic country, and went to catholic school. They did not teach abstinence. They said if you could refrain, but if you could not, protect yourself.

We are all not bible thumping baptists.


That's another problem I have with this "regions that teach abstinence-only" stuff. Ho do they know what each individual teacher is teaching? I'd like to see a breakdown of school-by-school, and see if, in one school in a 50 mile radius teaches safe sex, and another school in the same 50 mile radius teaches abstince, one school has dramatically higher teen pregnancies than the other.

And then take a nation-wide survey in the same way.

It's a cultural, regional thing.
 
2009-01-07 10:41:07 AM
Thisbymaster: Right, so them out reproducing you is a failure?

Well, when it comes to having teen pregnancies be the vehicle for this victory, I would say so. Maybe they should teach teens about sex and birth control so they can wait until they're married and of age before they join the Quiverful movement.
 
2009-01-07 10:41:37 AM
RockyMtnMan: Fact Man
AlgertMan



Ya'll aren't from the MidWest are you?

I remember one hour of "sex-ed" in school, but it was basically to tell us how our bodies were changing. And I can almost bet 99% of the parents didn't talk about anything to their kids, mine certainly didn't.

Besides, you can't even get a rubber or birth control until you're 18, right? Maybe you can, but no young-teen(boy or girl) wants to go to their parents and ask them for permission.

Also, how does an increase in abortions mean teen pregnancy is going up. This sounds like the conservative bull.


I grew up in the midwest - graduated from high school in 1988. The principal of our high school was also a deacon at my church. Our sex ed classes consisted of everything from learning all about STDs (and seeing pictures) to watching video of a lady giving birth, to rolling out condoms on bananas. We had baskets of condoms we could grab from, so we never had to buy them. You could go to the health department at any age over 15 and get BC pills if you were a chick. Sure, there was a little uproar, but mostly it was ignored. Of my entire class of over 500 people, one girl got pregnant during my entire HS experience.

My parents were very conservative Christians, but had no problems talking to me about sex. My dad walked in on me and my then GF going at it, and all he said later was - "please tell me you're using condoms". I'm very conservative, and it will be the same for my boys.

I'm so sick to death of people blaming 'conservatives' and 'midwesterners' for this bullshiat. Sorry - but it's sounds like your parents were stupid as hell for a) not talking to you about it themselves, and b) not raising hell with your school system when they failed you by not teaching you correctly. You really want to pin the blame on a specific political group for teen pregnancy rates? Maybe you should look at liberal welfare policies that basically reward single poor people for having kids. There's no deterrent for some inner-city kid to have a kid herself, because she knows she's going to be taken care of then. At least in the mid-west and most 'conservative' states, there's a negative social stigma to have a child as a child yourself.

Some of you idiots need to take the blinders off, and quit repeating all that you read on Fark just so you can sound like one of the cool kids.
 
2009-01-07 10:42:36 AM
The Angry Hand of God: How do you give birth to a teen?

Painfully.
 
2009-01-07 10:44:43 AM
theflatline: The majority hispanic and black girls. Which the artile does not explain, nor show a national average, or a state by state average, when in reality the majority is not in the south.

My mother, possibly having felt that she has not been punished enough, does volunteer work at a pregnancy center. The number one story she hears from poor blacks is that their partners simply refuse to wear condoms. And the women just go along with it. I italicized poor to demonstrate that this isn't necessarily a racial phenomenon so much as an economic one. But that's the story she gets, day in, and day out. That they 'refuse.' My mother's advice is, "Fine. Then you refuse to give it up." And a blank stare ensues.

I really believe that those of you who read tfa and immediately jumped on the idea of red state, abstinence education culpability are a little quick to do so. While those policies are asinine and no doubt unhelpful in the overall 'fight' against teen pregnancies, the reality suggests a subculture of extreme irresponsibility. To blame this on hardcore Christianity (as much as I love to blame things on those people) is basically without merit.
 
2009-01-07 10:46:20 AM
Thisbymaster: crazyeddie: From TFA, it's all in the South and Southwest, the kings of abstinence-only education.

Congratulations, Christians. You've farked up again.

Right, so them out reproducing you is a failure?


Exactly. Since when have creationists understood evolution better than liberals?
 
2009-01-07 10:51:58 AM
Talon: That's what happens when you keep them ignorant of ways to prevent pregnancy in the naive hope that maybe, just maybe, they won't have sex before marriage even though the vast majority of people do.

Oh well, a few casualties for the sake of "morality" is nothing new.



Are all the states that have higher birthrates states where birth control is not taught in the schools? TFA makes it sounds like it was a diverse cross-section of our nation experiencing this. If this is happening in states where proper birth control methods are taught, well that makes you kind of stupid.
 
2009-01-07 10:54:46 AM
Synaesthesia: Exactly. Since when have creationists understood evolution better than liberals?

Well, we could argue about r-selection versus K-selection here. Is it better to have many children and not be able to give them individual attention or the best education, or is it better to have a few children and invest time and education on them to make sure they are prepared to compete? Sometimes flooding the environment with slack-jawed idiots is not the best strategy.
 
2009-01-07 10:54:57 AM
RockyMtnMan: Fact Man
AlgertMan



Ya'll aren't from the MidWest are you?

I remember one hour of "sex-ed" in school, but it was basically to tell us how our bodies were changing. And I can almost bet 99% of the parents didn't talk about anything to their kids, mine certainly didn't.

Besides, you can't even get a rubber or birth control until you're 18, right? Maybe you can, but no young-teen(boy or girl) wants to go to their parents and ask them for permission.

Also, how does an increase in abortions mean teen pregnancy is going up. This sounds like the conservative bull.


This was what is considered Sex-Ed in conservative Midwestern schools. I went to school in a small town and this was it; the talk about how girls and boys "change". There was nothing covered about sex in our health classes and the only time we got even close to that subject was in our AP Biology course where there was only eight kids in the class (that topic also came too late in the course but I read ahead). Yet people are perplexed as to why all these kids in small towns get pregnant. Perhaps because he/she who gets the condoms at the convenience store knows the clerk and feels embarrassed about it? The girl who gets birth control at 16 happens to knows the pharmacist who will probably blab about it to his co-workers...people talk in small towns. When a teenager doesn't have the option of getting birth control or condoms in a larger town where they can remain anonymous to an extent, it's very hard to get birth control without your neighbor knowing. It's a bit of both worlds: the embarrassment of actually obtaining birth control and having someone find out as well as the lack of knowledge about it. A kid can get the talk from his mom or dad but if they are unable to obtain birth control without scrutiny then how effective is birth control?

/yes people in small towns can be huge dicks when it comes to gossip
//yet they are dumb enough to wonder why the quarterback of the football team is going to be a father
 
2009-01-07 10:55:27 AM
Giving birth to a teenager has to be painful
 
2009-01-07 10:56:08 AM
crazyeddie: From TFA, it's all in the South and Southwest, the kings of abstinence-only education.

Congratulations, Christians. You've farked up again.


Did you read TFA? The first paragraph even?

The latest data on teen birth rates shows significant increases in 26 states, according to government data out today, which suggests that the rise in teens having babies is geographically broad-based and represents most regions of the USA.


Tell us again how smart you are.
 
2009-01-07 10:56:41 AM
To add to my last post - there is also a dumb culture of machismo to blame. Some guys just won't wear condoms, and the women are dumb enough to go along with it. And then everyone sits back and wonders why HIV rates and pregnancies soar among certain groups...

I've definitely slipped up and gone bareback. But it was out of severe drunkenness and never a outright refusal. It just slipped in without broaching the subject, so to speak. Thankfully, I'm either remarkably disciplined with my jock, or remarkably sterile. Either way, I came out a winner. But where I made mistakes, some people have a bareback policy. I've never understood that. In this farking day and age, with no shortage of terrible, crotch-related news, some people still consider condoms beneath them.
 
2009-01-07 10:56:52 AM
Whaddya know...highest rates in Jesusland.

Somehow I'm sure it's the fault of the blue states.
 
2009-01-07 10:57:48 AM
I wonder how many of these are illegals.
 
2009-01-07 10:59:27 AM
Talon: That's what happens when you keep them ignorant of ways to prevent pregnancy in the naive hope that maybe, just maybe, they won't have sex before marriage even though the vast majority of people do.

Oh well, a few casualties for the sake of "morality" is nothing new.


You summed it up perfectly. Nothing more needs to be said.

Shrugging Atlas: Kids, let this be a lesson to you. Always go anal.

Except anal without a condom is more likely to cause pregnancy than vaginal with a condom used correctly.

Thisbymaster: Higher rates or better reporting?

Higher rates. You really think there are substantial numbers of unreported births???Fact Man: Talon: That's what happens when you keep them ignorant of ways to prevent pregnancy in the naive hope that maybe, just maybe, they won't have sex before marriage even though the vast majority of people do.

Oh well, a few casualties for the sake of "morality" is nothing new.

That wouldn't explain why teh rates are up, though. It's not like we used to teach safe sex and we're just now teaching abstinence.

If anything, rates should be going down, because kids actually know what condoms are and how to get them, unlike back in the '50s.


What in the world are you talking about? The religious right has been gutting sex-ed programs for years. Now we are seeing the results.

Fact Man: AlgertMan: Talon: That's what happens when you keep them ignorant of ways to prevent pregnancy in the naive hope that maybe, just maybe, they won't have sex before marriage even though the vast majority of people do.

Oh well, a few casualties for the sake of "morality" is nothing new.

In this day and age if you think sex ed would have kept about 99% of these girls from getting pregnant you are wrong.

THIS.

Teen pregnancies happen because teens are horny little dumbasses.

I don't think it has anything to do with abstinence vs. safe sex education, either. Any kid knows what a condom is, or what birth control is, whether they learn it in school or from TV or on the street or whatever.

You're not going to shock an abstinence-only ed kid with "this newfangled contraption called a 'con-dom'..."


The places that teach it right have 1/10th the problem we do.

When you have the anti-sex people teaching that condoms have extremely high failure rates is it any wonder they don't get used?

DarkSkyForever: I think that is an urban legend. I've heard the same about a couple in China.

I could certainly imagine it happening there in the past. My wife did have to explain to her sister how to do the deed--the sister & husband didn't realize how the anatomy worked to actually get it in.
 
2009-01-07 11:00:04 AM
For those too lazy to follow the links to the breakout by ethnic group. Looks more like socio-economic than regional or religious:

U.S. total Birthrate per 1000 15-19 year old (Year 2000 data):
White: 32
Black: 77
Hispanic: 87
 
2009-01-07 11:01:07 AM
Hat Madder: For those too lazy to follow the links to the breakout by ethnic group. Looks more like socio-economic than regional or religious:

U.S. total Birthrate per 1000 15-19 year old (Year 2000 data):
White: 32
Black: 77
Hispanic: 87


That is racist!
 
2009-01-07 11:01:58 AM
Stay Cool Babylon: To add to my last post - there is also a dumb culture of machismo to blame. Some guys just won't wear condoms, and the women are dumb enough to go along with it. And then everyone sits back and wonders why HIV rates and pregnancies soar among certain groups...

I've definitely slipped up and gone bareback. But it was out of severe drunkenness and never a outright refusal. It just slipped in without broaching the subject, so to speak. Thankfully, I'm either remarkably disciplined with my jock, or remarkably sterile. Either way, I came out a winner. But where I made mistakes, some people have a bareback policy. I've never understood that. In this farking day and age, with no shortage of terrible, crotch-related news, some people still consider condoms beneath them.


I was never much of a ladies man, so it was never too much of an issue for me but I HATE condoms. Not because of any macho thing, just because they are annoying as hell. Don't get me wrong, I see their value and have used them on occasion but I have found that for me serial monogmy is just preferable to the annoyance of using condoms.

Then again I am an ugly chud who isn't into one night stands anyway. Well, I had one once, but I did it wrong. We ended up married with two kids.


/hope my son is more of a player than I was
//he will have access to condoms and the information needed before he needs it
 
2009-01-07 11:02:42 AM
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2009-01-07 11:03:23 AM
Hat Madder: For those too lazy to follow the links to the breakout by ethnic group. Looks more like socio-economic than regional or religious:

U.S. total Birthrate per 1000 15-19 year old (Year 2000 data):
White: 32
Black: 77
Hispanic: 87


So free Wii's and iPods for the poor so they have something else to do other then frak?
 
2009-01-07 11:03:48 AM
P.S. One thing I forgot:

I work with a bunch of *VERY* conservative people. In 20 years here I have seen a total of *ONE* marriage not due to pregnancy and they weren't nearly so conservative people--both had drug convictions. To make up for it I've seen one oops without a marriage, also.
 
2009-01-07 11:07:37 AM
Loren

Except anal without a condom is more likely to cause pregnancy than vaginal with a condom used correctly.

Okay, I'm calling shenanigans. Please show me information that this is true and not being pulled out of your ass (is that a pun?)
 
2009-01-07 11:14:28 AM
I can tell you that if you have a daughter she will bring so much joy into your life it is unbelievable. Listening to her sing while she plays with her dolls can make even the worst day shine.

That said, you also realize that she is the one who will get knocked up if she screws her boyfriend in x number of years.

There are two tracks a father can take, the first and most popular is denial. "My daughter will never do such-and-such". I know a couple of these. The second is to admit that you'll need to have the talk (!) with your daughter likely at a much younger age than your son (if you have both), and that allowing your daughter to go on the pill might be a smart thing to do...just in case she ignores the talk about marriage and family and cost of a kid etc:

As much as you might hate thinking of your little girl doing the nasty, you should love her enough to want to ensure that you always do what you can to help, even if it hurts you.

As for you farkers you have sons; I have a knife, a boat, and I live near a deep part of lake Ontario and watch Dexter.
 
2009-01-07 11:15:27 AM
Lollipop165: Loren

Except anal without a condom is more likely to cause pregnancy than vaginal with a condom used correctly.

Okay, I'm calling shenanigans. Please show me information that this is true and not being pulled out of your ass (is that a pun?)


It's shenanigans. I remember seeing this "myth" on some MTV show or something.

Sorry for the crude visual, but it's technically possible that there will be "leakage" from the back that reaches the front, but the chances of that happening and happening sufficiently enough to cause pregnancy are nowhere near the chances of a condom breaking/leaking.
 
2009-01-07 11:17:04 AM
Lollipop165: Loren

Except anal without a condom is more likely to cause pregnancy than vaginal with a condom used correctly.

Okay, I'm calling shenanigans. Please show me information that this is true and not being pulled out of your ass (is that a pun?)


When I was in HS Doc Sue Johansen (sp?) gave us a talk. She told us that you don't need to have penetration to have a pregnancy.

The little farkers will swim, all they need to do is get near the opening. In theory that means you could have a virgin birth.

True? Scare Tactic? Who knows...but man...I wouldn't risk it.
 
2009-01-07 11:17:15 AM
DarkSkyForever: Fact Man: Oh, also, parents should teach their kids about sex, shouldn't be left up to the schools, etc...

That'd be awkward. I learned about it in school, and it was sufficient. We just need to bring it back to the classroom.


Any parent who leaves their child's education in ANY area completely to public school deserves the retarded pregnant teen they get.
 
2009-01-07 11:18:40 AM
rob.d: I can tell you that if you have a daughter she will bring so much joy into your life it is unbelievable. Listening to her sing while she plays with her dolls can make even the worst day shine.

That said, you also realize that she is the one who will get knocked up if she screws her boyfriend in x number of years.

There are two tracks a father can take, the first and most popular is denial. "My daughter will never do such-and-such". I know a couple of these. The second is to admit that you'll need to have the talk (!) with your daughter likely at a much younger age than your son (if you have both), and that allowing your daughter to go on the pill might be a smart thing to do...just in case she ignores the talk about marriage and family and cost of a kid etc:

As much as you might hate thinking of your little girl doing the nasty, you should love her enough to want to ensure that you always do what you can to help, even if it hurts you.

As for you farkers you have sons; I have a knife, a boat, and I live near a deep part of lake Ontario and watch Dexter.


Here's what I'm thinking. I've got a son, he's nice and polite and we could just arrange a betrothing now so neither of us has to worry about what our respective podlings will drag in in 20 years.
 
2009-01-07 11:19:15 AM
i say let us put birth control in the water

we are no longer in a fuedal or early industrial era we don't need the poor to breed at a high rate to produce a work force

we could reinstate the draft to solve the whole army thing (though if we got rid of every out of the country army base we might not even need to do that)

and we have "guest workers" to take care of the shiat jobs

i am still working on the criteria for being allowed to breed but i will take suggestions along those lines
 
2009-01-07 11:21:35 AM
RockyMtnMan: Fact Man
AlgertMan



Ya'll aren't from the MidWest are you?

I remember one hour of "sex-ed" in school, but it was basically to tell us how our bodies were changing. And I can almost bet 99% of the parents didn't talk about anything to their kids, mine certainly didn't.

Besides, you can't even get a rubber or birth control until you're 18, right? Maybe you can, but no young-teen(boy or girl) wants to go to their parents and ask them for permission.

Also, how does an increase in abortions mean teen pregnancy is going up. This sounds like the conservative bull.


Seriously? I grew up in the Midwest, and our education started in the 4th grade telling us how our bodies were going to change (pretty basic, but it didn't need to be much more than that then), and they repeated this in the 5th grade as well. In the 6th grade, they explained what was going to happen with the opposite sex, as well as a more in depth discussion about secondary sex characteristics.

In the 8th grade we learned about different birth control methods and about different STDs. This was repeated in high school in our junior year, but we were now shown graphic pictures of STDs and shown a video of a live birth.

This was definitely more in depth than any talks my parents had with me, but I guess they didn't really need to or could be any more specific than what I learned in school.
 
2009-01-07 11:22:24 AM
wojaq: i say let us put birth control in the water

we are no longer in a fuedal or early industrial era we don't need the poor to breed at a high rate to produce a work force

we could reinstate the draft to solve the whole army thing (though if we got rid of every out of the country army base we might not even need to do that)

and we have "guest workers" to take care of the shiat jobs

i am still working on the criteria for being allowed to breed but i will take suggestions along those lines



I believe the ability to us the "Shift" key should be one of the qualifications.
 
2009-01-07 11:22:31 AM
In my high school we were taught "abstinence is the only way to be 100% safe, but if that isn't for you, here are some other effective methods, here are methods that are not effective (pulling out, etc.)"

You would not believe the friends that I have that went to the same high school as me that are so misguided about contraception. I'm not talking teens here, I'm talking 21, 22 year olds. They all had the same sex ed as I did. A ridiculous amount of the conservative or religious type got pregnant in the first couple years (or months) out of high school. While some of them would not qualify as "teen" pregnancies, all involved were still young and the pregnancies were unplanned. So even with a good sex-ed education, people still ended up making poor choices. I know that the planned parenthood around here would prescribe birth control to any girl over 15 without notifiying parents. (I think it was like 10 bucks a month for the pill) Individual condoms are available there for free or you can get a whole box at a really discounted price. They don't exactly make it hard to make responsible choices around here.

I know some of the pregnancies resulted from the "sex before marriage is bad, but I want to do it and I can't let ANYONE know I'm doing it" crowd. That and I know people that refuse to wear condoms and for some reason the chick was okay with it. So I really think a lot of it comes down to personal responsibility.
 
2009-01-07 11:23:34 AM
jst3p: wojaq: i say let us put birth control in the water

we are no longer in a fuedal or early industrial era we don't need the poor to breed at a high rate to produce a work force

we could reinstate the draft to solve the whole army thing (though if we got rid of every out of the country army base we might not even need to do that)

and we have "guest workers" to take care of the shiat jobs

i am still working on the criteria for being allowed to breed but i will take suggestions along those lines


I believe the ability to us the "Shift" key should be one of the qualifications.


USE damn it! USE!


/self pwnage is the BESTEST!
 
2009-01-07 11:25:12 AM
hockeychick: rob.d: I can tell you that if you have a daughter she will bring so much joy into your life it is unbelievable. Listening to her sing while she plays with her dolls can make even the worst day shine.

That said, you also realize that she is the one who will get knocked up if she screws her boyfriend in x number of years.

There are two tracks a father can take, the first and most popular is denial. "My daughter will never do such-and-such". I know a couple of these. The second is to admit that you'll need to have the talk (!) with your daughter likely at a much younger age than your son (if you have both), and that allowing your daughter to go on the pill might be a smart thing to do...just in case she ignores the talk about marriage and family and cost of a kid etc:

As much as you might hate thinking of your little girl doing the nasty, you should love her enough to want to ensure that you always do what you can to help, even if it hurts you.

As for you farkers you have sons; I have a knife, a boat, and I live near a deep part of lake Ontario and watch Dexter.

Here's what I'm thinking. I've got a son, he's nice and polite and we could just arrange a betrothing now so neither of us has to worry about what our respective podlings will drag in in 20 years.


My daughter is pretty strong minded, if your son is too polite he'll be whipped.

Do you think he'll like Eurasian girls? My daughter is a fine mix! She sings in the Toronto Choir, and is only 5!

Do you expect a dowry? I have two cats and some half dead plants.
 
2009-01-07 11:26:24 AM
My dad taught me to ALWAYS use protection:

Fake name and phone number never fails!
 
2009-01-07 11:27:43 AM
I would like to see a combined rate of teen birth + teen abortion. Probably would help non-Bible Belt areas at least catch up a bit...
 
2009-01-07 11:28:52 AM
Yay Mississippi! We're No. 1 once more.

I just couldn't see how the teen birth rate here could have gotten any higher. Unless the young ladies were taking fertility pills and started having twins or triplets.

/Mississippi, home of the teen CCV (clown car vagina)
//would be out there doing my part except we also lead the nation in teen STD's
 
2009-01-07 11:29:01 AM
rob.d:
My daughter is pretty strong minded, if your son is too polite he'll be whipped.

Do you think he'll like Eurasian girls? My daughter is a fine mix! She sings in the Toronto Choir, and is only 5!

Do you expect a dowry? I have two cats and some half dead plants.


What kind of cats?
 
2009-01-07 11:37:04 AM
i came here for teens and will leave thoroughly disappointed.
 
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