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(CNN)   Pentagon refuses to award Purple Heart to PTSD victims. Still considering whether or not to award it to UAV pilots who get shot down   (cnn.com) divider line 130
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2009-01-06 08:03:47 PM
They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.
 
2009-01-06 08:09:21 PM
Clearly they should just penalize UAV pilots a set amount of XP.
 
2009-01-06 08:09:21 PM
arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.

Nah, just make sure the PTSD guys get the treatment and disability rating for the VA.
 
2009-01-06 08:16:39 PM
I_Love_Verdi: Clearly they should just penalize UAV pilots a set amount of XP.

At least they get to respawn.
 
2009-01-06 08:23:17 PM
Nice try, Klinger.
 
2009-01-06 08:27:32 PM
ducTape: Nice try, Klinger.

Actually it was Frank who applied for a purple heart for getting a shell fragment in his eye. And I believe it was an egg shell.
 
2009-01-06 08:44:19 PM
I have a purple heart on.
 
2009-01-06 08:49:33 PM
Gilligann: ducTape: Nice try, Klinger.

Actually it was Frank who applied for a purple heart for getting a shell fragment in his eye. And I believe it was an egg shell.


Right and Hawkeye as always did the nice sensitive thing and stole it from him awarding it to a newborn Korean baby whose mother got wounded on her way to the MASH to deliver him. I think she died. What annoyed me about that (other than Alan Alda) is that he placed it on the wrong side of the blanket.
 
2009-01-06 08:54:28 PM
To be fair, you don't get to pilot the UAV until you get 3 kills in a row.
 
2009-01-06 08:57:54 PM
but but but support the troops! No? Yeah, not so much when it counts. Assholes.
 
2009-01-06 09:13:52 PM
PTSD is pretty good, but I'm going to stick with my Nintendo Wii.
 
2009-01-06 09:17:28 PM
Having experienced PTSD myself, I can say that it's as grievous as physical trauma in that you definitely need therapy in order to recover 100%. However, I agree with the Pentagon's reasoning. Physical wounds are visible to any onlooker whereas diagnosing mental trauma is much more of a grey area.

This still saddens me. It's obvious that a big reason the Pentagon nixed the idea of giving the Purple Heart for PTSD is that they'd have to acknowledge such an exponentially greater number of wounded troops than they do now.
 
2009-01-06 09:20:57 PM
Angry Buddha: I have a purple heart on.

I have a purple hard on.

Now where are my wire cutters...
 
2009-01-06 09:54:23 PM
I enjoyed the M*A*S*H chatter in this thread.
 
2009-01-06 09:57:40 PM
Because this screwy war made too many of them.
 
2009-01-06 10:02:04 PM
m0llusk: Because this screwy Any war made too many of them.

Dunno about a Purple Heart but more importantly as Sgt Otter said, make sure they get the help they need.
 
2009-01-06 10:05:26 PM
arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.

How about an invisible medal for "mental wounds"?

I mean c'mon....this is pretty much a medal for every single soldier who has seen combat. I'm not saying in any way that PTSD isn't real, just that a lot of people get screwed up by combat that don't claim to have PTSD. So what they should do is give a medal to every combat soldier? Maybe just hand it to them along with their ammo the first time?
 
2009-01-06 10:14:06 PM
Kickstart UF: Maybe just hand it to them along with their ammo the first time?

No, you have to give it to them on the way out or they won't have anything to fight for.
 
2009-01-06 10:14:15 PM
Look back on the way a few armchair ignoramuses treated John Kerry's Purple Hearts during that election, daring to suggest that minor wounds received in battle were somehow laughable and unworthy of the honor. Now flash forward to an election twenty years in the future, when another veteran candidate running against some right-wing blowhard with conscience-less supporters has a Purple Heart to his or her name awarded for PTSD. What do you think the attacks would look like then?
 
2009-01-06 10:49:08 PM
But I am willing to dress up as Patton so I can slap them across the face with my glove.
 
2009-01-06 10:51:36 PM
lawl subby..... ptsd is real, however and should be treated seriously.
 
2009-01-06 10:56:29 PM
When I got back from "Nam, I went to ny girlfriend's house and knocked on the front door.
Her little sis opened it and looked at me and hollered upstairs, "Hey, sis! There's a guy down here with a purple Heart on!"
and she yelled back down, "I don't care what color it is! Send him up!"
me and lil' sis been married 38 years now.
 
2009-01-06 10:57:08 PM
Shell shock
Battle fatigue
Operational exhaustion
Post-traumatic stress disorder

I'll betcha...
 
2009-01-06 10:57:32 PM
A friend of mine (who's actually no better a source of information on it than me, so take this for what it's worth) told me that he read that UAV pilots are kind of messed up emotionally, because they live a pretty weird life. They spend their time in this semi-virtual environment that represents a real war zone, where real people are really killed by their actions. Then they hang it up, just like a videogame, and walk away to their 'normal' life. This tends to mess them up over time, and I can understand why.
 
2009-01-06 11:00:27 PM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: A friend of mine (who's actually no better a source of information on it than me, so take this for what it's worth) told me that he read that UAV pilots are kind of messed up emotionally, because they live a pretty weird life. They spend their time in this semi-virtual environment that represents a real war zone, where real people are really killed by their actions. Then they hang it up, just like a videogame, and walk away to their 'normal' life. This tends to mess them up over time, and I can understand why.

Something about a Dissassociative Crisis comes to mind.
 
2009-01-06 11:00:48 PM
Well if you want someone to know you got PTSD from Iraq you just gotta wear this

img213.imageshack.us
 
2009-01-06 11:01:49 PM
arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.

I agree. My grandfather got shot twice, stabbed once, and the ambulance he was riding in got shot by a tank all in one day during WWII. He received one Purple Heart. Giving Purple Hearts for psychological trauma sees to diminish the true meaning of what a Purple Heart is to represent.
 
2009-01-06 11:01:51 PM
EngineerBoy: Shell shock
Battle fatigue
Operational exhaustion
Post-traumatic stress disorder

I'll betcha...


It's amazing how relevant his Gulf War routine still is today. All the names are the same except the country involved.
 
2009-01-06 11:02:43 PM
What medal do you give KBR rape victims?
 
2009-01-06 11:02:43 PM
EngineerBoy: Shell shock
Battle fatigue
Operational exhaustion
Post-traumatic stress disorder

I'll betcha...


Soldier's heart.
 
2009-01-06 11:03:03 PM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: A friend of mine (who's actually no better a source of information on it than me, so take this for what it's worth) told me that he read that UAV pilots are kind of messed up emotionally, because they live a pretty weird life. They spend their time in this semi-virtual environment that represents a real war zone, where real people are really killed by their actions. Then they hang it up, just like a videogame, and walk away to their 'normal' life. This tends to mess them up over time, and I can understand why.


It's like killing the buggers...
 
2009-01-06 11:03:57 PM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: A friend of mine (who's actually no better a source of information on it than me, so take this for what it's worth) told me that he read that UAV pilots are kind of messed up emotionally, because they live a pretty weird life. They spend their time in this semi-virtual environment that represents a real war zone, where real people are really killed by their actions. Then they hang it up, just like a videogame, and walk away to their 'normal' life. This tends to mess them up over time, and I can understand why.

because it more or less IS a video game, until that introspective moment where they realize that real, breathing humans, died while they played their "game". very few people would not be mentally harmed by this. the ones that are not are called "sociopaths".
 
2009-01-06 11:05:22 PM
johnny_vegas: m0llusk: Because this screwy Any war made too many of them.

Dunno about a Purple Heart but more importantly as Sgt Otter said, make sure they get the help they need.


Please THIS. I know a Desert Storm vet that was in the grave digging detail following the "Turkey Shoot" where we blew up their army on the retreat. Highway of Death I think they called it. Bloated bodies left in the sun, as the Iraqis weren't in any position to bury their dead. I've given him help, but he clearly has PTSD and is on disability, yet Tricare doesn't seem to give him medical benefits.

I wish I could do more for people like that. It's one thing to give your life, but another to give the rest of your life.
 
2009-01-06 11:06:27 PM
John Lee Pettimore: Pocket Ninja: Look back on the way a few armchair ignoramuses treated John Kerry's Purple Hearts during that election, daring to suggest that minor self-inflicted wounds received in battle were somehow laughable and unworthy of the honor. Now flash forward to an election twenty years in the future, when another veteran candidate running against some right-wing blowhard with conscience-less supporters has a Purple Heart to his or her name awarded for PTSD. What do you think the attacks would look like then?

FTFY.

/would have respected him had he thrown HIS medals


He also backshot a Vietnamese boy by his own admission.
 
2009-01-06 11:07:16 PM
FarkingYoMindUp: arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.

I agree. My grandfather got shot twice, stabbed once, and the ambulance he was riding in got shot by a tank all in one day during WWII. He received one Purple Heart. Giving Purple Hearts for psychological trauma sees to diminish the true meaning of what a Purple Heart is to represent.


THIS

/Just finished dinner with a guy who has two Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and no feet.
 
2009-01-06 11:07:27 PM
EngineerBoy: Operational exhaustion

Sounds like something that might happen to your car.
 
2009-01-06 11:09:20 PM
Sylvia_Bandersnatch: A friend of mine (who's actually no better a source of information on it than me, so take this for what it's worth) told me that he read that UAV pilots are kind of messed up emotionally, because they live a pretty weird life. They spend their time in this semi-virtual environment that represents a real war zone, where real people are really killed by their actions. Then they hang it up, just like a videogame, and walk away to their 'normal' life. This tends to mess them up over time, and I can understand why.

upload.wikimedia.org

If it gets to be too much trouble, just don't TELL them they're killing real people.
 
2009-01-06 11:11:50 PM
People who have PTSD from the war are no less victims than is the person who gets wounded. I used to have panic attacks which from what i understand are not too different than what a person with PTSD suffers. It's dibilitating, and these people deserve whatever we can do for them.
 
2009-01-06 11:12:22 PM
Mad-n-FL: What medal do you give KBR rape victims?

I like your style
 
2009-01-06 11:13:17 PM
good.
good good good.
the purple heart is for physical injuries. i'm glad they came to this decision. maybe some other alternative will come up later but that's a seperate issue.

/vet now on second tour in Iraq
//diagnosed with PTSD a year ago after Ramadi
///doesn't have or WANT a purple heart for it
 
2009-01-06 11:13:31 PM
arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.


why not a Gray Heart then? since the brain is gray
 
2009-01-06 11:13:36 PM
Man On Fire: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: A friend of mine (who's actually no better a source of information on it than me, so take this for what it's worth) told me that he read that UAV pilots are kind of messed up emotionally, because they live a pretty weird life. They spend their time in this semi-virtual environment that represents a real war zone, where real people are really killed by their actions. Then they hang it up, just like a videogame, and walk away to their 'normal' life. This tends to mess them up over time, and I can understand why.

because it more or less IS a video game, until that introspective moment where they realize that real, breathing humans, died while they played their "game". very few people would not be mentally harmed by this. the ones that are not are called "sociopaths".


Or FPS players. Christ, we've trained a generation of ultimate soldiers.
 
2009-01-06 11:13:46 PM
Well, atleast they don't execute them for cowardice anymore. So they got that going for em.
 
2009-01-06 11:14:00 PM
I bet that somehow, the Air Force will still give out Purple Hearts for knowing someone with PTSD
 
2009-01-06 11:17:50 PM
If they recognize that PTSD is a life-altering injury (which it is in many cases) those casualty numbers will go up, up, up. And that's bad for the war effort.
 
2009-01-06 11:18:13 PM
arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.

Purple Heart for physical wounds, Section 8 for mental!
 
2009-01-06 11:19:18 PM
Gilligann: ducTape: Nice try, Klinger.

Actually it was Frank who applied for a purple heart for getting a shell fragment in his eye. And I believe it was an egg shell.


Yes but those bleeding heart doctors stole it and gave it to a stinking Korean newborn who had been wounded in the womb.
 
2009-01-06 11:21:08 PM
mud_shark: arkansas: They should have one for physical wounds, and one for mental.

Purple Heart for physical wounds, Section 8 for mental!


Those poor people need some kind of recognition for their mental wounds.

I suggest a purple pansy.
 
2009-01-06 11:21:12 PM
Also, I think most veterans would be happy to forgo the whole Purple Heart debate so long as they're wounds, both physical and mental, were given sufficient and prompt treatment.
 
2009-01-06 11:22:20 PM
Purple is the bisexual color
/Why would you want a bisexual colored heart
 
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