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2009-01-04 12:09:01 AM  
well of course that sucked. It's missing all the post-processing. they don't give out Emmy's for visual and sound FX for nothing, you know.
 
2009-01-04 12:10:41 AM  
I think he meant the extremely shiatty forced acting. Wow, talk about needing to take a stick out of your ass.
 
2009-01-04 12:12:14 AM  
www.bttfturk.com

Somewhere, Eric Stoltz rolled over in his sleep and smiled.
 
2009-01-04 12:16:11 AM  
Wow. I never realized just how much energy Kate Mulgrew put into that character until I saw Bujold just suck the life out of every scene. Thank God she threw a diva fit and left.

/Voyager had problems, but I don't think Janeway was one of them.
//Neelix, on the other hand...
 
2009-01-04 12:17:26 AM  
I remember the first time I saw that... holy Kreist, that's painful. Why did they cast her in the first place? And I know there are alot of Mulgrew haters out there... but seriously, at last she made the character work. Until they decided to make Janeway an alcoholic crazy woman.

I didn't think the acting sucked on Voyager so much as the farking writers not being able to make up their muthafukcin' minds where they were going. And Braga's "vision" of the whole universe of Trek didn't help either.

Okay - Chakotay. I give you that one. Beltran did suck. The term "cigar-store Indian" comes to mind.
 
2009-01-04 12:20:47 AM  
I am not ashamed to go on the record as being a fan of the show. Most haters only watched the first two seasons before writing it off. It got really good in the 3rd and, especially, the 4th season.

/yeah, 7's outfit was corny, but it was nice to look at and her character was actually well done, for the most part.
 
2009-01-04 12:24:06 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: Okay - Chakotay. I give you that one. Beltran did suck. The term "cigar-store Indian" comes to mind.

You know, I'd completely forgotten about the Chakotay character. This isn't the first time it's happened, either. He's so bland that I have to be reminded he even existed.

I think you're right about the writers, though. Reading Wil's blog about TNG has been pretty illuminating about how good actors can salvage mediocre writing, but bad writing can sink good actors.
 
2009-01-04 12:24:14 AM  
While she probably wasn't right for Janeway, Geneviève Bujold is actually a very good actress. I just watched her in the movie "Last Night" and she was one of the highlights.
 
2009-01-04 12:35:59 AM  
They should've gotten Fran Drescher.
 
2009-01-04 12:37:53 AM  
How actress Kate Mulgrew went from second choice to first rate Captain Kathryn Janeway on the best sci-fi show ever, Star Trek Voyager. Behind the scenes story and interviews.

Subby, turn in your geek badge at your local affiliated geek council hall. Shows that were better than Voyager: Babylon 5, DS 9, Firefly, Battlestar Gallitica (new version). Don't get me wrong, Voyager wasn't BAD, but it's not even near the top list of sci-fi shows.
 
2009-01-04 12:48:22 AM  
Pastor of Muppets: I am not ashamed to go on the record as being a fan of the show. Most haters only watched the first two seasons before writing it off. It got really good in the 3rd and, especially, the 4th season.

/yeah, 7's outfit was corny, but it was nice to look at and her character was actually well done, for the most part.


Preach on brutha-man. I liked Voyager, too - especially Mulgrew, and most especially Seasons 3-4. GAWD I want Season 3 Janeway back. ANd as for 7of9... you know, with all they hype about the T&A coming on board, I was totally prepared to hate her. Then... holy shiat, she could act! After that, it was great watching Janeway and Seven go at it. Until they turned Janeway into a crazy woman and Seven into a teenager.
 
2009-01-04 12:57:30 AM  
I would have liked to see Kelsey Grammer as a Starfleet captain.

Oh Yeah. He had the USS Bozeman. Should have brought him back ;)
 
2009-01-04 01:00:46 AM  
cretinbob: I think he meant the extremely shiatty forced acting. Wow, talk about needing to take a stick out of your ass.

Oh, and I meant the actress, not you xlbrooklyn.
 
2009-01-04 01:08:07 AM  
Suckage totale, eh?
 
2009-01-04 01:08:58 AM  
Okay, am I high? I've seen these clips before (or others of Bujold), and I don't think she was all that bad. It's like day 1 of filming, and she's kinda understated, but I think it could have worked. Maybe a little more time to get the jargon down, she's hard to understand with that accent.

Bujold was to Mulgrew what expensive dry white wine is to Zima. Neither is all that great but you get used to the former after a while; the latter is always mediocre.
 
2009-01-04 01:12:15 AM  
Pastor of Muppets: I am not ashamed to go on the record as being a fan of the show. Most haters only watched the first two seasons before writing it off. It got really good in the 3rd and, especially, the 4th season.

I suffered through all seven seasons, and Season 4 is still probably the only remotely watchable one.

And I'm not a Kate Mulgrew hater so much as a Captain Janeway hater. If you are going to make a woman on television a cold, frigid biatch, which is what a Startship captain would have to be, you must make her hot. If the actress you've chosen reminds you of a schoolteacher every time she's on the screen, you hurt the show.

And don't get too pissy about double standards, they didn't pick Scott Bakula for his role in Enterprise because he exudes intelligence. Even Kirk was considered hot back in the day.
 
2009-01-04 01:16:03 AM  
Renowned transvestite sexologist: Subby, turn in your geek badge at your local affiliated geek council hall.

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2009-01-04 01:36:46 AM  
Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???
 
2009-01-04 01:52:45 AM  
mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

No, I did. Also my Dad. So that's 3 of us...
 
2009-01-04 01:54:57 AM  
mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

No, I rather liked it. I like the humans not having a magic tech bullet for every problem and being lost and very out-of-their-league aspects of it. The wind-up was a little contrived but they always are.
 
2009-01-04 01:55:21 AM  
I've seen some of Bujold's other work and it isn't too bad, this seems like another person entirely, she had all the personality of my networking instructor in college.

Voyager wasn't too bad of a show but it desperately needed direction and some better writing. Didn't help matters that Brannon Braga and Jeri Ryan were a couple back then, it does explain why every other episode after she came on was either a Janeway, Doctor, or Seven episode. It's as if they forgot about the rest of the characters after a while and only wrote something for them after their agents sent them a note reminding them of their existance.
 
2009-01-04 01:57:10 AM  
And yes, Enterprise wasn't too bad once they got out of the first two seasons and Archer got kidnapped in every other episode. Seeing them screw up and learn things the hard way was fun. Wish it had lasted as season 4 was good - with the sole exception of the final episode, Berman and Braga can burn for that travesty.
 
2009-01-04 02:19:53 AM  
I enjoyed Voyager. Yes, all of it.

What?
 
2009-01-04 02:21:46 AM  
mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

I enjoyed it...

i54.photobucket.com
 
2009-01-04 02:26:23 AM  
Ambient engine sound saves all Treks from... well... THAT.

*shudder*
 
2009-01-04 02:31:01 AM  
mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

Am I the only one who appeared on Star Trek Enterprise?

True confession time - I was a Tellarite ambassador in the third- and second-to-last episodes. A non-speaking extra role, but I did get a closeup of my very own, plus I got away with loads of shameless overacting in the background.

The latex appliance didn't fit well and hurt like hell around the eyes, but otherwise, good times.

/Yes, I wore a space-pig costume on TV
//and I enjoyed it
///out-geek that if you can
////you can't, don't even try
 
2009-01-04 02:32:04 AM  
Casanova.Frankensteir: mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

Am I the only one who appeared on Star Trek Enterprise?

True confession time - I was a Tellarite ambassador in the third- and second-to-last episodes. A non-speaking extra role, but I did get a closeup of my very own, plus I got away with loads of shameless overacting in the background.

The latex appliance didn't fit well and hurt like hell around the eyes, but otherwise, good times.

/Yes, I wore a space-pig costume on TV
//and I enjoyed it
///out-geek that if you can
////you can't, don't even try


I demand video proof.
 
2009-01-04 02:32:16 AM  
I watched TNG in college with a group of geeks (ok, they weren't geeks, they were improvisational comedians) every Sunday. I loved that show, probably because of all the drinking games and running commentary (oh the subplots we created around Wil's character).

I watched DS9 once or twice and just couldn't get into it. I don't think I made it through an entire episode of Voyager.

I've been curious to see Enterprise, but they don't carry it at my local video store and I haven't been able to track down a decent set of torrents.

BSG, on the other hand, is like crack.
 
2009-01-04 02:35:29 AM  
And-1: I enjoyed Voyager. Yes, all of it.

What?


I feel the same way.

OK, if pressed I guess some of the episodes were insanely retarded (Tom and Harry trapped in a space prison that somehow makes them irritable jackasses among irritable jackasses? LAME!) (B'elana feels bad that her friends died so goes on a crazy rampage of idiotic dangerous stunts? No thanks.) There were some really good ones, and if I was a lazier person I'd just say "everything revolving around The Doctor" and hit the add comment button, but I feel that wouldn't do it justice. The bits with Captain Proton were always nice to see, if only for the pseudo-self-referential humor, and while a lot of the show was kinda preachy, that's fine for me. I like to think a bit when being entertained.
 
2009-01-04 02:43:25 AM  
I would have posted here earlier but I was stuck, in, a, time,, loop. You.,.,,see.
 
2009-01-04 02:47:57 AM  
As I understood it, Bujold walked -- she wasn't fired.
You don't go that far into the process (especially after two other series) and then realize it isn't going to work out.
Pretty sleazy to air these scenes without involving her in the process.

My guess is she didn't realize she was on the S.S. Rick Berman failboat until she got her first script, then jumped off as soon as she could see the shore.
 
2009-01-04 02:49:23 AM  
Bujold seems seriously vulcan dry and way out of her league in this video, and the accent is a little much. My mom started out as a Janeway hater, but warmed up to her eventually. Plus I had never heard of Bujold before.

Now Kate Mulgrew on the other hand, I saw her in the Remo Williams movie, and a few times on Murder she wrote, heard her on Gargoyles, so I liked her immediately.

Most shows seem to need two to three seasons to stop stumbling around, hit their pace and start cranking out good stories, this was no exception. I doubt there would've been a season 3 with Bujold, not without a character assassination along the line.
 
2009-01-04 02:50:16 AM  
fark you, Berman.

That is all.
 
2009-01-04 03:02:44 AM  
PlNG: Most shows seem to need two to three seasons to stop stumbling around, hit their pace and start cranking out good stories, this was no exception.

No, they don't. This is a lie that sci-fi fans tell themselves because there is an awful lot of terrible writing in most sci-fi tv shows. That is why I tend to watch series on dvd. You can slog through a lot of crap and never find gold.
 
2009-01-04 03:44:57 AM  
Casanova.Frankensteir: mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

Am I the only one who appeared on Star Trek Enterprise?

True confession time - I was a Tellarite ambassador in the third- and second-to-last episodes. A non-speaking extra role, but I did get a closeup of my very own, plus I got away with loads of shameless overacting in the background.

The latex appliance didn't fit well and hurt like hell around the eyes, but otherwise, good times.

/Yes, I wore a space-pig costume on TV
//and I enjoyed it
///out-geek that if you can
////you can't, don't even try


Jaffa in two episodes (one live, one dead and smoldering), Air Force guard at the Alpha site in one episode of SG-1
 
2009-01-04 04:12:44 AM  
wejash: mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

Eh. I watched it. It was better than no Trek on TV. Season 3 was actually pretty good. But there were a few "are you shiatting me" bits, like the "decontamination" scenes which always seemed to have either Count Bakula or Tripp paired with Hoshi and T'Pol. And the whole bit after the Xindi plot is resolved in season 3 with "Hey! They won, it's over! Awesome! Wait.. Nazis? WTF?!" was certainly unusual, I'll give it that...

/What is it with early Trek and Nazis?
 
2009-01-04 04:17:57 AM  
Casanova.Frankensteir
True confession time - I was a Tellarite ambassador in the third- and second-to-last episodes. A non-speaking extra role, but I did get a closeup of my very own, plus I got away with loads of shameless overacting in the background.


Dammit, man, get back to work on Return of Pink Five.
 
2009-01-04 04:23:27 AM  
I always wondered if a single scrap of this footage would see the light of day. To be fair, this is pre-post-production footage. The audio and lighting probably make a lot of difference. I'll bet the Mulgrew version with the same setup would suck almost equally.

The rumors I heard indicated it was mutual separation. She biatched about the dialog, the uniforms, etc..
 
2009-01-04 04:49:23 AM  
Sorry, but voyager sucked, and I watched most of them. Not so much the casting (although Janeway's voice made me have convulsions), but the entire concept execution and writing. In other words, I pray Berman has a slow and painful death.
 
2009-01-04 04:56:45 AM  
I hated the first few episodes for comic-book-store-guy reasons, but I very much warmed to it as time went on, and The Doctor remains my favourite SciFi character of the 90s.

As for Mulgrew, I enjoyed her in the role. She was a touch Shatnerian but I wouldn't object to that -- I felt that TNG-world was rather clumsy with Enterprise as flagship (talk about waxing your own pole!) and I liked the energy she brought to the part.
 
2009-01-04 11:17:54 AM  
Hey Casanova, is this you in the background?


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2009-01-04 11:38:38 AM  
Casanova.Frankensteir: mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

Am I the only one who appeared on Star Trek Enterprise?

True confession time - I was a Tellarite ambassador in the third- and second-to-last episodes. A non-speaking extra role, but I did get a closeup of my very own, plus I got away with loads of shameless overacting in the background.

The latex appliance didn't fit well and hurt like hell around the eyes, but otherwise, good times.

/Yes, I wore a space-pig costume on TV
//and I enjoyed it
///out-geek that if you can
////you can't, don't even try

I demand proof on Memory-Alpha (new window)
 
2009-01-04 11:40:04 AM  
mandingueiro: Am I the only one who enjoyed Star trek enterprise???

Third season was ok. By the 4th season the show really found its footing. Oh well.

As to Voyager, they should've made Voyager lost much closer to Earth so they could contact Starfleet sooner (say 2nd or 3rd season) and then basically become Star Trek: TOS. In the original series, the Enterprise seemed to be on its own a lot, out of range and out of luck if they needed backup in the next week or month. That feeling was lost in the later shows.

Instead, Voyager was this wandering ship, no one home knew about, already written off. It would've had more purpose if the shows began: "Captain's Log. Stardate something, Starfleet wants us to explore this while we're here. Meanwhile, supplies won't meet us for another year, we're still on our own and the ship is slowly falling apart and ... oh shiat."
 
2009-01-04 11:53:19 AM  
This bujold is horrible. Dry line reading. Hard to hear(but that might be due to no post-processing)
 
2009-01-04 01:18:58 PM  
Enterprise had a great cast, a great concept, decent writing, and not a single shred of vision.
 
2009-01-04 01:33:50 PM  
ck1938: Hey Casanova, is this you in the background?

That specific pic is not me, but that was the costume I wore, and I'm pretty sure that face appliance is the one they recycled and used on me too. That pic must be from a different episode, but that is exactly what I looked like. So I guess I could have said that was me, who'd know the difference?

PlNG:
I demand proof on Memory-Alpha (new window)


Uncredited co-stars, "Tellarite delegate" (opens new wormhole)

irving47: Dammit, man, get back to work on Return of Pink Five.

The internet scares me sometimes. And I am working on it, darn you.

il Dottore:

///out-geek that if you can

Jaffa in two episodes (one live, one dead and smoldering), Air Force guard at the Alpha site in one episode of SG-1


Damn... well played, sir!
 
2009-01-04 01:46:23 PM  
That was painful
 
2009-01-04 02:31:00 PM  
I would like to take some time in this Voyager thread to thank:

bp0.blogger.com

for giving us:

blog.spout.com
 
2009-01-04 02:35:49 PM  
PacManDreaming [TotalFark]
They should've gotten Fran Drescher


Yeah..........YEEAAHH!!!

/I really do apologize...
 
2009-01-04 03:28:22 PM  
Casanova.Frankensteir:
irving47: Dammit, man, get back to work on Return of Pink Five.

The internet scares me sometimes. And I am working on it, darn you.


Sorry, man. Couldn't resist. Take solace in that you were only peripherally of interest, considering who was playing your Vulcan friend. That SHOULD make you feel better.
 
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