hyperspacemonkey: Anesthesiologist and lawyer, huh? Muslims have a higher rate of graduate degrees, professional degrees, and college degrees than atheists or Christians (in Canada anyhow). Significantly higher than the national education levels in fact. Islam makes science and other learning a religious necessity. It is basically the most scientific religion in the world, with the Prophet M and other scriptures praising learning, science and the study of nature, logic and math.

I wonder if their educated culture has anything to do with their persecution? The lower the level of education, the more prejudices appear (according to studies). Muslims are separated not only by religion but by learning. The culture they mix with is the educated, usually. No doubt that must account for some of the misconceptions and distrust they have to deal with every day on this continent.


Yet, throw one piece of bacon at them and they go all jihad.

May I recommend..



Travelling by any means in the U.S. these days carries the risk of exposure to all sorts of idiots and slow-witted authorities, but air travel is surely the worst option of all if you look even vaguely foreign. (An Irish guy I know is especially big and swarthy, and always gets pulled out of line - 'randomly' of course. Randomly always.) Amtrak is an entirely federal transit authority, but they're a lot less paranoid, stupid, arrogant, and abusive than TSA and failing airlines. I ride all the time. Perfect? No, of course not. But so much better than flying.

Flying only makes sense nowadays if you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry. And only if it's a good distance. A lawyer I used to work with was a former Washington lobbyist who worked in energy and travel and had collected many interesting facts about such things (some of which were a little unsettling). He told me that taking into consideration all the other activities related directly to flying, on both ends, the net travel time point to point for a typical U.S. airliner was around 65 mph for any distance under 500 miles. Meaning that you make about the same time driving, busing, or taking a train, unless you travel more than that.

me texan: America Conservatives need to get the fark over itself their selves and quit being a bunch of pussies. There is nothing inherent in Muslims that causes them to be terrorists.

Fixitated.

give me doughnuts:
This is why the best and brightest from Europe and the US have been flocking to their universities and colleges for decades.

just have to:

Nocens: Dumle: ladyway905: Fearmongering at its best. Gotta love the states, where we're in constant "threat" of terrorism, but we never seem to have justification. Except that everyone is in a constant state of terror. Hmm... maybe that's the justification.

You know who else asserted their power by creating an atmosphere in society based on fear and terror?

/low hanging fruit


Stephen King?

Damn you, Nocens!

hyperspacemonkey: Anesthesiologist and lawyer, huh? Muslims have a higher rate of graduate degrees, professional degrees, and college degrees than atheists or Christians (in Canada anyhow). Significantly higher than the national education levels in fact. Islam makes science and other learning a religious necessity. It is basically the most scientific religion in the world, with the Prophet M and other scriptures praising learning, science and the study of nature, logic and math.

I wonder if their educated culture has anything to do with their persecution? The lower the level of education, the more prejudices appear (according to studies). Muslims are separated not only by religion but by learning. The culture they mix with is the educated, usually. No doubt that must account for some of the misconceptions and distrust they have to deal with every day on this continent.

I suspect these figures are distorted by the fact that we only see the best and brightest and most ambitious here; and most of them would have to have already scored some success to get here at all.

Procedural Texture:
Racism is almost a guaranteed factor, and that's shameful, but one thing you do not discuss while in an airport or plane is the security. You just don't, unless you want to get hassled, regardless of your race.

You, the passenger who reported them, and the pilot are all equally wrong. And by "wrong", I mean a lot of things which I can't say without getting a moderator angry with me. Cowardly, contemptible, and stupid don't even begin to cover it.

You know those despicable people who say a woman who got raped "was asking for it" because she wore something more revealing that a burqa? This is worse.

Congrats.
Meet the countries newest multi-millionares.

/why can't we get someone to bribe make a campaign donation to some congresscritters and fix the TSA.

SilentStrider: why must the people of my country be so goddamned paranoid and stupid?

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder.

hyperspacemonkey: Anesthesiologist and lawyer, huh? Muslims have a higher rate of graduate degrees, professional degrees, and college degrees than atheists or Christians (in Canada anyhow). Significantly higher than the national education levels in fact. Islam makes science and other learning a religious necessity. It is basically the most scientific religion in the world, with the Prophet M and other scriptures praising learning, science and the study of nature, logic and math.

I wonder if their educated culture has anything to do with their persecution? The lower the level of education, the more prejudices appear (according to studies). Muslims are separated not only by religion but by learning. The culture they mix with is the educated, usually. No doubt that must account for some of the misconceptions and distrust they have to deal with every day on this continent.

I will need citation for that one, but I will say that, at least in Canada, muslims will remain muslims in university because they want to remain close to their culture, or they couldn't make friends other than the Society of Islam ____Chapter.

/Do it by nationality, and the Chinese and Indians would dominate. At least in Engineering, Comp. Sci and Medical. Yet, the home countries will need to learn the ultimate rule of the West: advanced technology does not make an advanced society; let some of your kids come here to study Social Sciences or Arts.

This is the first time I find myself rooting for the lawyer.

Party Boy: Some Americans of Mid East descent

You forgot this guy:



So you can just point to some random person and say "that guy made inapropriate comments" and get them thrown out of the plane? I'm sure some paranoid asshole will back you up.

They should relax now that their own president is muslim.

hyperspacemonkey: I wonder if their educated culture has anything to do with their persecution? The lower the level of education, the more prejudices appear (according to studies). Muslims are separated not only by religion but by learning. The culture they mix with is the educated, usually. No doubt that must account for some of the misconceptions and distrust they have to deal with every day on this continent.

Well, there is a good argument that the Muslims ended the dark ages in Europe.

OgreMagi: SilentStrider: why must the people of my country be so goddamned paranoid and stupid?

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder.



coxinha: The comment was "Wow, the jets are right next to my window".


Putting those posts together gets me an upgrade to a window seat.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: May I recommend..



Travelling by any means in the U.S. these days carries the risk of exposure to all sorts of idiots and slow-witted authorities, but air travel is surely the worst option of all if you look even vaguely foreign. (An Irish guy I know is especially big and swarthy, and always gets pulled out of line - 'randomly' of course. Randomly always.) Amtrak is an entirely federal transit authority, but they're a lot less paranoid, stupid, arrogant, and abusive than TSA and failing airlines. I ride all the time. Perfect? No, of course not. But so much better than flying.

Flying only makes sense nowadays if you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry. And only if it's a good distance. A lawyer I used to work with was a former Washington lobbyist who worked in energy and travel and had collected many interesting facts about such things (some of which were a little unsettling). He told me that taking into consideration all the other activities related directly to flying, on both ends, the net travel time point to point for a typical U.S. airliner was around 65 mph for any distance under 500 miles. Meaning that you make about the same time driving, busing, or taking a train, unless you travel more than that.

AmTrak can suck my balls. I've never been treated so rudely as everyone who worked on that train. They refused my ticket going back from Penn Station to Atlanta because it didn't have a "receipt" and made me buy another ticket. I got my refund, but after I threatened legal action.

/Also, it smells like the inside of an asshole.

"OgreMagi Quote 2009-01-02 05:49:17 AM
SilentStrider: why must the people of my country be so goddamned paranoid and stupid?

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder."

Of why you're such an idiot?....

FlippityFlap: Of why you're such an idiot?....

That comming from someone who cannot work out how to press the quote button.

FlippityFlap: "OgreMagi Quote 2009-01-02 05:49:17 AM
SilentStrider: why must the people of my country be so goddamned paranoid and stupid?

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder."

Of why you're such an idiot?....

And here we have a perfect example of a person jumping to conclusions. Because I posted a reason why people are paranoid, you automatically assume I think it was perfectly ok to toss the family off of the plane. In reality, I don't think it was right to toss them off. What you fail to grasp is some people, such as myself, try to understand what motivates people. When you understand why they do something, it makes it easier to rectify problems.

Now go back to school and try to learn something useful.

OgreMagi

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder.

Nice photoshop. We know the buildings were really brought down by high explosives.

I like where this thread is going.

I'm about to go toss something off....

The father of the family:



Airline travel is not a right. And if Mohommedans didn't have such a proclivity to go boom, they wouldn't get thrown off planes.

studebaker hoch: I like where this thread is going.

you sure are a different person here than in a certain other thread....

Reminder?

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: May I recommend..



Travelling by any means in the U.S. these days carries the risk of exposure to all sorts of idiots and slow-witted authorities, but air travel is surely the worst option of all if you look even vaguely foreign. (An Irish guy I know is especially big and swarthy, and always gets pulled out of line - 'randomly' of course. Randomly always.) Amtrak is an entirely federal transit authority, but they're a lot less paranoid, stupid, arrogant, and abusive than TSA and failing airlines. I ride all the time. Perfect? No, of course not. But so much better than flying.

Flying only makes sense nowadays if you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry. And only if it's a good distance. A lawyer I used to work with was a former Washington lobbyist who worked in energy and travel and had collected many interesting facts about such things (some of which were a little unsettling). He told me that taking into consideration all the other activities related directly to flying, on both ends, the net travel time point to point for a typical U.S. airliner was around 65 mph for any distance under 500 miles. Meaning that you make about the same time driving, busing, or taking a train, unless you travel more than that.

AmTrak can suck my balls. I've never been treated so rudely as everyone who worked on that train. They refused my ticket going back from Penn Station to Atlanta because it didn't have a "receipt" and made me buy another ticket. I got my refund, but after I threatened legal action.

/Also, it smells like the inside of an asshole.

I've never taken Amtrak but I have checked their prices several times and I would primarily attribute their low popularity to their ridiculously high prices. When the price of a train ticket is the same as an airplane ticket, nobody is going to take the train, especially when its much slower. I'm pulling these figures out of my ass, but for me at least, train tickets would have to be at least a quarter the cost of a plane ticket before it would be worth it.

On the original subject, my female friend who is Indian gets searched every time she goes through security. Randomly. And if you Americans think you've got it bad, you should see the racism in places like Hong Kong airport.

I do hear what y'all are saying...
...but
I'd rather have a hundred inconvenienced travellers than one plane bomber.

/Maybe I'm old fashioned
//or just plain old

Spatty: I do hear what y'all are saying...
...but
I'd rather have a hundred inconvenienced travellers than one plane bomber.

/Maybe I'm old fashioned
//or just plain old

Or just plain stupid.

H_is_for_Heretic: Reminder?

Awesome.
Guess it'll be a while before there's a country song written about that.

Airline travel is not a right. And if Mohommedans didn't have such a proclivity to go boom, they wouldn't get thrown off planes.

Since you're begging for attention and replies with your clearly incendiary remarks, here ya go. Now get back to work, son. All of that kneejerk profiling of American citizens isn't just gonna do itself.

I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies because (shakes Magic 8-Ball) one of the detainees is my ex-resident. And yes, he "looks Muslim".

Spatty: I do hear what y'all are saying...
...but
I'd rather have a hundred inconvenienced travellers than one plane bomber.

/Maybe I'm old fashioned
//or just plain old

You'd have a point if a terrorist plot had actually been foiled,
instead of Ugly Americans™ just rearing their heads once again.

AirForceVet: Next time I fly out from some Southeaster airport like Atlanta, if any white person makes any comment about engines, I'm reporting it as a suspicious remark made by white supremacist terrorists.
Good idea! See how far that gets you ... most likely it will land you on the TSA's no-fly list.

Procedural Texture: Talk about the weather or quantum physics or porn or sports. Have the conversation about security after you land. Same reason you save your bomb jokes for later. Same reason you don't yell fire in a crowded theatre.
Is that reason a hatred of free speech?
On the one hand, we as Americans have the right to free speech.
On the other hand, the airline owns the airline and you are a customer under their rules.
On the gripping hand, however, the airlines get federal bailouts and have federally supplied security in the form of the TSA and air marshals, so how about some free speech, RKBA, and all the other rights we are entitled to as citizens?

On a completely unrelated note, I preferred my headline on this one ... first time I haven't recognized the superiority of the winning headline as compared to mine.

Spatty: I do hear what y'all are saying...
...but
I'd rather have a hundred inconvenienced travellers than one plane bomber.

/Maybe I'm old fashioned
//or just plain old

I agree with Spatty. Is it really too much to ask for, for everyone to get a barcode tattoo that links them to a database of records? Why not just ban clothes and all bags in airports as well? Heck, why don't we just turn airliners into jails in the sky to make sure that no funny business can happen.

Yeah, you would never be a good businessman spatty. thats the problem with this country right now, old people and there old ways. they are so out of touch with the generation Rx.

SobrietyFighter: Pic of said family (new window)

You rickrolling little twat. If you say "new window," it had better be a new window, farkwad. The rickroll is fine, if trite, but the lie about it being in a new window is unforgivable.

Learn how to do it properly, or don't bother.

Idiot.

TFA: "the passengers said AirTran refused to rebook them, and they had to pay for seats on another carrier secured with help from the FBI."

That was completely wrong as well. What excuse could Airtran have for refusing to rebook these people? Did Airtran refuse to rebook the passengers who made the complaint and caused so much delay and stupidity?
Further, Airtran should have at least covered whatever extra costs they may have incurred when forced to rebook on another airline. Simply refunding the cost of their original tickets is a completely jerky thing to do.

Last time I flew to Europe (post 9/11), I missed my flight. The airline I originally booked with got me on another flight with a different airline, and I flew out within an hour. No added expense, no hassling me. Didn't even comment that I was at fault for missing my own flight. I had planned on just sitting in the airport or even going home again depending on when they had their next scheduled flight to London. I wished I'd taken more care to remember which airline it was, especially given the bad experiences I have since with both Airtran and Delta.

Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
Flying only makes sense nowadays if you're trying to get somewhere in a hurry.

Please glance at my profile and tell me to where, outside of my U.S. state of residence, I might take a train.

sloppy shoes: Well they should have known better to born brown and brought up in a religious system that has become unpopular in North America. Perhaps, they will rethink their life plans and choose to live in the desert and provide us with unlimited free oil since that is what they are best at. However, this is unlikely due to the fact they are biologically inferior and incapable of making such an intelligent position.

Instead, let's make up a reason to berate them with our missiles, occupy their land forcibly, and embark on a never ending mission to create America Two: Color-Inverted Santa Boogaloo

while admiring that you are total fark, (i can't seem to get there). I think your comment on this story is inflammatory and out of line. If you have flown commercially in the past 8 years or so, you have seen the signs that say ANY comment, no matter how trivial or incredible WILL be taken seriously if it has anything to do with the security of a passenger jetliner. This does not seem to me to be about racial profiling, but in fact seems to me to be a really stupid ass comment made by a smirking teenager, with the result of inconvienence and imposition on everyone.

Fark them--- there are some things you simply DO NOT say on an airplane. And if you want to turn that into a racial card playing incident, then, you sir, are a troll.

MadAzza: SobrietyFighter: Pic of said family (new window)

You rickrolling little twat. If you say "new window," it had better be a new window, farkwad. The rickroll is fine, if trite, but the lie about it being in a new window is unforgivable.

Learn how to do it properly, or don't bother.

Idiot.

Or you could just hover your mouse of the link and look down at the bottom of your screen to see where the link goes before clicking it.

Idiot.

Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: SilentStrider: why must the people of my country be so goddamned paranoid and stupid?

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder.



coxinha: The comment was "Wow, the jets are right next to my window".


Putting those posts together gets me an upgrade to a window seat.

Combined with your Fark handle? I'd give you total fark for that if I had a way of making the payment conveniently.

OgreMagi: FlippityFlap: "OgreMagi Quote 2009-01-02 05:49:17 AM
SilentStrider: why must the people of my country be so goddamned paranoid and stupid?

Perhaps this can serve as a reminder."

Of why you're such an idiot?....

And here we have a perfect example of a person jumping to conclusions. Because I posted a reason why people are paranoid, you automatically assume I think it was perfectly ok to toss the family off of the plane. In reality, I don't think it was right to toss them off. What you fail to grasp is some people, such as myself, try to understand what motivates people. When you understand why they do something, it makes it easier to rectify problems.

Now go back to school and try to learn something useful.

Bravo

Well handled and informative.

me texan: America needs to get the fark over itself and quit being a bunch of pussies. There is nothing inherent in muslims that causes them to be terrorists.

Not saying more then a minuscule percentage of Muslims are terrorists, but their religion does seem to promote martyrdom more so then other religions, at least for those that do become terrorists..

Procedural Texture: FTFA:
"My brother and his wife were discussing some aspect of airport security," Irfan said.

We'll never know, but engine location and safety don't sound like the only things that were discussed.
Racism is almost a guaranteed factor, and that's shameful, but one thing you do not discuss while in an airport or plane is the security. You just don't, unless you want to get hassled, regardless of your race.
Talk about the weather or quantum physics or porn or sports. Have the conversation about security after you land. Same reason you save your bomb jokes for later. Same reason you don't yell fire in a crowded theatre.
The other passengers and the air marshals overreacted, and quite likely racism biased that overreaction, but two wrongs don't make a right.

I don't think that is the cliche moral you were looking for.

Party Boy: Some Americans of Mid East descent

/Being Jewish does not make you "Of middle eastern descent" What a moron!

SobrietyFighter: MadAzza: SobrietyFighter: Pic of said family (new window)

You rickrolling little twat. If you say "new window," it had better be a new window, farkwad. The rickroll is fine, if trite, but the lie about it being in a new window is unforgivable.

Learn how to do it properly, or don't bother.

Idiot.

Or you could just hover your mouse of the link and look down at the bottom of your screen to see where the link goes before clicking it.

Idiot.

I knew where the link went. That was the point, no? If you post something as appearing in a "new window" and it doesn't, you should own up to your error and move on, rather than trying to deflect your idiocy onto someone else.

Isn't it past your bedtime?

give me doughnuts: hyperspacemonkey: Anesthesiologist and lawyer, huh? Muslims have a higher rate of graduate degrees, professional degrees, and college degrees than atheists or Christians (in Canada anyhow). Significantly higher than the national education levels in fact. Islam makes science and other learning a religious necessity. It is basically the most scientific religion in the world, with the Prophet M and other scriptures praising learning, science and the study of nature, logic and math.

I wonder if their educated culture has anything to do with their persecution? The lower the level of education, the more prejudices appear (according to studies). Muslims are separated not only by religion but by learning. The culture they mix with is the educated, usually. No doubt that must account for some of the misconceptions and distrust they have to deal with every day on this continent.

Yes, because if there is a bastion of science and learning anywhere in the world it is the Islamic world. Just look at the high-tech utopias of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, and all the others.
This is why the best and brightest from Europe and the US have been flocking to their universities and colleges for decades.

The middle east was at one point an intellectual mecca. These things are cyclical.

But the passengers said AirTran refused to rebook them, and they had to pay for seats on another carrier secured with help from the FBI.

Well sure... They weren't terrorists when they first got on the plane, but I bet they're at least thinking about it now.