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2008-12-31 10:40:23 AM  
Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom: Get ready for "Purple" to become the new synonym for "Good".

/Get it, Democrats are blue, Republicans are red, so "Purple" means unity and peace and harmony and all that crap.

//Already sick of it.


i hate purple, it's a color that stinks in my eyes, a festering pustule of a shade

what, i'm color blind, and it really doesn't look good to me
 
2008-12-31 10:41:02 AM  
iron_city_ap: I think I'll join you on that. I also decided to yell "Battle Stations !!!!" more often at work.

You should get a siren also. Gotta do the complete thing.
 
2008-12-31 10:42:07 AM  
"As a long standing environmentalist I have to... "

What is funny is that I stopped reading right at that point...
 
2008-12-31 10:42:33 AM  
Somewhere, Al Gore and Manbearpig are banging supermodels on huge piles of money.
 
2008-12-31 10:44:02 AM  
The new LEEDs certification building in Houston (which is an organization based around being green) just chopped down a whole bunch of trees and leveled a plot of land in order to build their building with tons of vehicles and machines working diligently with giant exhaust systems. At least they are sort of green because they are near a park...
 
2008-12-31 10:45:52 AM  
At this point in time, I'm a maverick code monkey who only writes green code, so I'm getting a kick....
 
2008-12-31 10:49:45 AM  
Kazuya: As a long standing environmentalist...

Ha! And what is that, a "long standing environmentalist"? Holier-than-thou prick guage is in the red. You don't do jack-squat more or less than anyone else to "save the planet", and whatever you think you're doing won't change squat, even if we all believed in this religion. al gore, king of pricks, and doofus lord, is your preacher - the biggest scamming moron on the planet: your religion, your discipleship, is source of the problem.
 
2008-12-31 10:51:12 AM  
chaos731: The company for which I work just declared itself "green" a few weeks ago. From what I can tell, this amounted to the following:

1. Removing most of Styrofoam coffee cups from the lunchroom cabinets. Not all, but most.

2. Putting a laminated 8.5x11" sign on the back door instructing people to break down cardboard boxes/shipping cartons before throwing them in the dumpster.

3. Having literally thousands of custom-printed and highly-elaborate oversized coffee mugs and cold-beverage (insulated) cups made and emblazoned with our company logo superimposed over the silhouette of a tree. Distributing said materials in paper gift bags with "we're going green" printed on them.

4. Sending out dozens of graphics-intensive emails to the entire 6000+ employee company stating that we're going green, thus throttling down our mail server bandwidth and throughput to a crawl, and breaking everybody's mail clients with their sheer size when everybody decided to "reply to all with attachments".

So, yeah...we're doing great things for the environment, and we feel good about it, too.



I have a sneaking suspicion we work for the same company, or at least their marketing departments are in contact. My company? had people change their email signatures to say something to the effect of "be green! Do you really need to print this email?" all the while distributing flashy new color laser printers to managers/directors.

I care about the environment and all but this green shiat has just gone way too far.
 
2008-12-31 10:52:07 AM  
Danger Mouse: PJ_the_Barbarian: Danger Mouse: What do they mean "Monkey names"?

I think they mean labels of the form "______ monkey"

but the only ones I can think of are "surrender monkey" and "code monkey"

Ah. Thanks. Of course, understanding the differnence between prefix and sufix would have also helped me out too. Duh.


I still plan to use "monkey whore" at every available opportunity.



Actually "Whore" works better than "monkey".

Code Whore
Surrender Whore
Powder Whore.

whore works!

Monkey whore, and whore monkey are doubley good. USe at your own discretion!
 
2008-12-31 10:55:59 AM  
I love how, in America, anything that occurs as a trend is instantly hated by everyone with a chip on their shoulder.
Everyone SHOULD farking go green. The suspicion that those telling you to do so are hypocrites and aren't really going green is farking stupid. So what if they say and don't do. If you don't do anything you're just as bad as them.

I'm the kind of guy who will start a fight if people leave trash at the beach, and I live in a country where lots of people carry guns and don't give a fark about my white ass. Grow a pair and start taking care of our world assholes.
 
2008-12-31 10:57:05 AM  
the money is in the banana stand: The new LEEDs certification building in Houston (which is an organization based around being green) just chopped down a whole bunch of trees and leveled a plot of land in order to build their building with tons of vehicles and machines working diligently with giant exhaust systems. At least they are sort of green because they are near a park...

I suppose that they are using tons of concrete as well. Cement production is a source of green house gases.

All they need to do now is go find some endangered species and hack them up.
 
2008-12-31 10:57:39 AM  
Remember the thread yesterday about the super volcano in Wyoming? Maybe while everyone's "going green" the Earth is gonna go black on us.
 
2008-12-31 10:59:43 AM  
Zafler:
Or global dimming, something that has been on the decline since many countries enacted emissions restrictions to curtail particulate matter?


Ha, is that how you're rationalizing it now. I think all the environmentalists are collectively crapping their pants because the average temperature is not increasing like they all warned us about. I guess that's the answer, just say "Look, all the countries have laws, and now global warming has stopped! See, told you so!"

It could never be the fact that the planet warms, and cools as it's done for billions of years. No, not at all...
 
2008-12-31 11:00:21 AM  
sandinista!: I love how, in America, anything that occurs as a trend is instantly hated by everyone with a chip on their shoulder.
Everyone SHOULD farking go green. The suspicion that those telling you to do so are hypocrites and aren't really going green is farking stupid. So what if they say and don't do. If you don't do anything you're just as bad as them.

I'm the kind of guy who will start a fight if people leave trash at the beach, and I live in a country where lots of people carry guns and don't give a fark about my white ass. Grow a pair and start taking care of our world assholes.


bit radical aren't you?? Yours is the type that the global warming people are looking for - energetic and naive.
 
2008-12-31 11:03:07 AM  
Zafler: littleray42: Xerxes99: Only arrogant people think they can affect the climate. Leave it to the over inflated egos of the left to blame mankind for the cyclical nature of weather patterns on this planet. Leave it to the bloated self absorbed idealogues to think that mankind can control the cycles of the sun. Leave it to the elitist carbon assprint sheeple crowd to preach to the rest of us.. the whole do as I say not as I do crap! Fark em! Screw burning tires... I say we stack up the environmental wackjobs out there like cords of wood and burn them!

YYYYYYYYYYYes! I think I just blew a load reading that!

I was going to just let this pass, but someone agreeing with it means it should probably be addressed.

Tell me either of you 2: how is pumping many millions of tons of excess greenhouse gases into the atmosphere NOT affecting the climate? What mechanism is there for counteracting the effect of us burning fossil fuels and emitting all those gases? Have you ever even heard of acid rain, a climate affecting result of dirty industry? Or global dimming, something that has been on the decline since many countries enacted emissions restrictions to curtail particulate matter?

I will await answers, these are all well known and documented results of human activity.


And how is it you are not aware that less than 3% of carbon emissions are "man made" and amount to squat? How is it you have missed the global cold snap for the last couple years, statistically erasing a warming trend attributed to solar activity, which is now on the wane? How is it you're not aware carbon dioxide makes up jack-squat in percentage of our atmosphere? It's because you are being "played". We all want a nice planet to live on, so when an idiot like Al Gore comes along saying, "we're all going to die, floods are coming, New York will be under water...", we give them our attention, out of legitimate concern. The problem is: this "well documented data, and computer models" are jacked, and guess who profited from this? Follow the money trail, not the CO2 dispersion. It's a religion and you're a follower.
 
2008-12-31 11:05:26 AM  
Zafler: iron_city_ap: I think I'll join you on that. I also decided to yell "Battle Stations !!!!" more often at work.

You should get a siren also. Gotta do the complete thing.


A sired wouldn't be practical, but I have something just as good already that I'll use.
 
2008-12-31 11:06:04 AM  
jaymze69

Err, no, it has been DECREASING, meaning that the dimming effect has gotten less. The coolness of the previous year is mostly due to the La Nina effect and a solar minimum. The trend is still increasing pretty much in line with the projections. In some areas it is actually exceeding the predicted values from the IPCC. Most of the IPCC predictions were conservative to begin with however.
 
2008-12-31 11:07:52 AM  
forfarkonly: Zafler: littleray42: Xerxes99: Only arrogant people think they can affect the climate. Leave it to the over inflated egos of the left to blame mankind for the cyclical nature of weather patterns on this planet. Leave it to the bloated self absorbed idealogues to think that mankind can control the cycles of the sun. Leave it to the elitist carbon assprint sheeple crowd to preach to the rest of us.. the whole do as I say not as I do crap! Fark em! Screw burning tires... I say we stack up the environmental wackjobs out there like cords of wood and burn them!

YYYYYYYYYYYes! I think I just blew a load reading that!

I was going to just let this pass, but someone agreeing with it means it should probably be addressed.

Tell me either of you 2: how is pumping many millions of tons of excess greenhouse gases into the atmosphere NOT affecting the climate? What mechanism is there for counteracting the effect of us burning fossil fuels and emitting all those gases? Have you ever even heard of acid rain, a climate affecting result of dirty industry? Or global dimming, something that has been on the decline since many countries enacted emissions restrictions to curtail particulate matter?

I will await answers, these are all well known and documented results of human activity.

And how is it you are not aware that less than 3% of carbon emissions are "man made" and amount to squat? How is it you have missed the global cold snap for the last couple years, statistically erasing a warming trend attributed to solar activity, which is now on the wane? How is it you're not aware carbon dioxide makes up jack-squat in percentage of our atmosphere? It's because you are being "played". We all want a nice planet to live on, so when an idiot like Al Gore comes along saying, "we're all going to die, floods are coming, New York will be under water...", we give them our attention, out of legitimate concern. The problem is: this "well documented data, and computer models" are jacked, and guess who profited from this? Follow the money trail, not the CO2 dispersion. It's a religion and you're a follower.


You are not going to get through to them. It IS a religion and they are so devote that they don't listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs. There was an article posted a few days ago that stated that many fundamentalist religious type believe in the global warming scam. Maybe it is a gullible gene that has not been discovered yet.
 
2008-12-31 11:08:48 AM  
OH good, we've got full-fledged devolution into a flame war

//flame wars contribute to global warming, shame on all of you.
 
2008-12-31 11:12:38 AM  
I'm really not about global warming. I'm just sick of people trashing everything they come into contact with.
Half my Island lives downwind of an oil refinery, they're all too poor to move elsewhere. It's certainly the diseased end of the island. Lot's of stillborn babies and cancer and whatnot.shiat like that is just farked up.
I'm pretty far from radical though. I'm not particularly worried about the earth dying. It won't, we will.

I've hiked miles and miles out into the middle of nowhere and still found trash lying around. These things piss me off. That's all.
It really is sad that going green seems to amount to a catchphrase only. It's even more sad that because it seems to amount to only a catchphrase no one takes actual conservation seriously.
Ever hike to the top of a mountain only to find a trash pile left behind by everyone else who made it to the top? Why does no one pickup after themselves? Is my mom the only one who taught her kids manners?
 
2008-12-31 11:13:42 AM  
I'm all for cleaning up this place; I don't know anyone who's against cleaner air, water, etc.

HOWEVER: the 'green' insanity has to stop. NBC showed it for the stunt it really is when they turned off the studio lights for a minute or so.

Mandatory light bulbs with mercury in them (didn't we decide a few years ago how bad that was for us?), cars with batteries that use more energy to build and transport than will ever be saved by a few mpg's higher, algore riding around in a private jet while telling us how evil we are for driving a necessary-for-work truck? Makes me mad.

/rant over, thanks for listening!
 
2008-12-31 11:14:50 AM  
My law office officially went "Green" this year.

Here is what I did to accomplish this:

1. I instituted a policy that all paper we use must contain at least .01% recycled content. Lucky for me the paper I have been using for years contains "not less than 3% recycled content".
2. I file all my pleadings with the federal court, online, via pdf files, as required by the federal court. (All state court pleadings are file via good old fashioned paper.)
3. I always pitch all my aluminum cans into the recycle bin, so long as I am standing next to the recycle bin when I finish said can. I estimate that I have recycles 3 cans in 2008! Yeah me!

See going "Green" is not hard at all. All you have to do is continue doing the same things you have always done, while noting to others how responsible you have become. If all the corporations can declare themselves Green without changing their actions or policies, than so can I.
 
2008-12-31 11:18:53 AM  
forfarkonly: And how is it you are not aware that less than 3% of carbon emissions are "man made" and amount to squat?

False. (new window)

From the sourced link: "Carbon dioxide (CO2) concentrations in the atmosphere increased from approximately 280 parts per million (ppm) in pre-industrial times to 382 ppm in 2006 according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Earth Systems Research Laboratory, a 36 percent increase. Almost all of the increase is due to human activities (IPCC, 2007). The current rate of increase in CO2 concentrations is about 1.9 ppmv/year. Present CO2 concentrations are higher than any time in at least the last 650,000 years (IPCC, 2007). See Figure 1 for a record of CO2 concentrations from about 420,000 years ago to present."

How is it you have missed the global cold snap for the last couple years, statistically erasing a warming trend attributed to solar activity, which is now on the wane?

Solar activitity is at a low, and 2008 is still the 10th warmest on record, at a time when the Earth is warmer than at any time since the last ice age ended. (new window)

How is it you're not aware carbon dioxide makes up jack-squat in percentage of our atmosphere?

It's not the absolute concentration, it's the near ifrared absorption properties and the increase in relative concentration that is the trouble.

Follow the money trail, not the CO2 dispersion.

Exxon alone accounts for over 19million dollars of funding to the denialists. (new window)
The money trail says that people denying our impact on climate are making out like bandits, not the scientists doing the work and coming to the conclusion that we need to clean our shiat up.

Also, I don't care about what Al Gore has said, have never seen his movie, and only know that actual climatologists and a judge in England have said it is broadly accurate. (new window)

So, yeah, you're pretty much wrong on all counts. Good job.

If you want to learn, realclimate.org, royalsociety.org, NOAA.gov, NASA.gov, and IPCC.CH all have good information on the subject.
 
2008-12-31 11:19:08 AM  
X_ray_dude: I'm all for cleaning up this place; I don't know anyone who's against cleaner air, water, etc.

HOWEVER: the 'green' insanity has to stop. NBC showed it for the stunt it really is when they turned off the studio lights for a minute or so.

Mandatory light bulbs with mercury in them (didn't we decide a few years ago how bad that was for us?), cars with batteries that use more energy to build and transport than will ever be saved by a few mpg's higher, algore riding around in a private jet while telling us how evil we are for driving a necessary-for-work truck? Makes me mad.

/rant over, thanks for listening!


I have a co-worker whose daughter lives in London. She works for some big conglomerate that is all over the global warming crap. They were a big player in the "global warming" concerts held around the world a few years back.

Her daughter told me that Al had suggested that he fly (at somebody else's expensive) to each concert and make a speech. With the time zone differences he would be able to make it to most of the sites.

It took a long time to convince him that he would be sending the wrong message by going around the world in a private jet to attend each concert.
 
2008-12-31 11:19:31 AM  
sandinista!
I love how, in America, anything that occurs as a trend is instantly hated by everyone with a chip on their shoulder.
Everyone SHOULD farking go green. The suspicion that those telling you to do so are hypocrites and aren't really going green is farking stupid. So what if they say and don't do. If you don't do anything you're just as bad as them.

I'm the kind of guy who will start a fight if people leave trash at the beach, and I live in a country where lots of people carry guns and don't give a fark about my white ass. Grow a pair and start taking care of our world assholes.


Hey, I'm as capitalist as they come, but even I am on cynicism overload with the corporate green pronouncements. It is a marketing project not much else.

The recycling industry is now (at least in Tampa)losing money and recycling collections may soon stop because it costs too much to process the trash versus revenue that the finished product would generate.

By the way, on a global level we are spotless. The former communist countries in Europe are a true mess. China is filthy and who knows what's going on south of the equator. So let's call the extreme US green movment what it is: a leftist anti-business group of nuts who wan to tell the rest of us how to live our lives and weaken our economy.
 
2008-12-31 11:21:19 AM  
X_ray_dude: I'm all for cleaning up this place; I don't know anyone who's against cleaner air, water, etc.

I am, if it costs billions of dollars to improve the "cleanliness" of that air or water by 0.000001% (or less, if it is just a feel-good measure to assuage the eco-religious types).

More often than not, many of the "clean" initiatives make things WORSE than before. Ethanol, anyone?
 
2008-12-31 11:22:27 AM  
take it from this "guy". It's not easy being green.

www.gadgetell.com
 
2008-12-31 11:23:06 AM  
lhinds

I live in Tampa, and have not heard anything about them no longer accepting recycling. They'e still picking up my bins every week at any rate.

Also, just because someone else is worse does not mean it's good for us to not clean up our act. If we can develop the green technology first, we can sell it to the other countries, and probably at a cheaper rate than what they're currently doing.
 
2008-12-31 11:23:20 AM  
This post is made from 75% recycled baby pandas.
 
2008-12-31 11:23:27 AM  
Pimple: As an IT Director at my company, I love the "green" mantra.

It gives me the added boost to my paperless projects so I don't have to argue with people about why we don't need to keep three years of paperwork when we could easily store them electronically.

/I can't tell you the hours I've cut of our office personnel


So much this. I freaking hate paper, unless it's in a book (educational or for entertainment), has naked chicks on it, or tells me about food. Everything else can be scanned. Thankfully, the hospital I work at started scanning patient files last year.
 
2008-12-31 11:24:01 AM  
Dick Schittlippz: This post is made from 75% recycled baby pandas.

that's putting it in black and white!!
 
2008-12-31 11:24:46 AM  
phones.webhostingoverview.com
 
2008-12-31 11:25:31 AM  
Zafler: Solar activitity is at a low, and 2008 is still the 10th warmest on record, at a time when the Earth is warmer than at any time since the last ice age ended. (new window)

oh well, might as well jump in:

the ice age hasn't ended because we still have ice in the summer. The last glacial period was 10000 years ago or so, but this is still the ice age.
 
2008-12-31 11:27:11 AM  
PJ_the_Barbarian

Err, what? Most interglacials still have ice at the poles. All indications of the Milankovitch Cycle are saying we should be either leveling off, or entering a cooling phase at this point.
 
2008-12-31 11:28:13 AM  
nicksteel: forfarkonly: Zafler: littleray42: Xerxes99: Only arrogant people think they can affect the climate. Leave it to the over inflated egos of the left to blame mankind for the cyclical nature of weather patterns on this planet. Leave it to the bloated self absorbed idealogues to think that mankind can control the cycles of the sun. Leave it to the elitist carbon assprint sheeple crowd to preach to the rest of us.. the whole do as I say not as I do crap! Fark em! Screw burning tires... I say we stack up the environmental wackjobs out there like cords of wood and burn them!

YYYYYYYYYYYes! I think I just blew a load reading that!

I was going to just let this pass, but someone agreeing with it means it should probably be addressed.

Tell me either of you 2: how is pumping many millions of tons of excess greenhouse gases into the atmosphere NOT affecting the climate? What mechanism is there for counteracting the effect of us burning fossil fuels and emitting all those gases? Have you ever even heard of acid rain, a climate affecting result of dirty industry? Or global dimming, something that has been on the decline since many countries enacted emissions restrictions to curtail particulate matter?

I will await answers, these are all well known and documented results of human activity.

And how is it you are not aware that less than 3% of carbon emissions are "man made" and amount to squat? How is it you have missed the global cold snap for the last couple years, statistically erasing a warming trend attributed to solar activity, which is now on the wane? How is it you're not aware carbon dioxide makes up jack-squat in percentage of our atmosphere? It's because you are being "played". We all want a nice planet to live on, so when an idiot like Al Gore comes along saying, "we're all going to die, floods are coming, New York will be under water...", we give them our attention, out of legitimate concern. The problem is: this "well documented data, and computer models" are jacked, and guess who profited from this? Follow the money trail, not the CO2 dispersion. It's a religion and you're a follower.

You are not going to get through to them. It IS a religion and they are so devote that they don't listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs. There was an article posted a few days ago that stated that many fundamentalist religious type believe in the global warming scam. Maybe it is a gullible gene that has not been discovered yet.


Well, most here would call me a "funde", but here are at least two things that should surprise most: global warming is a monster scam, an attack on capitalism/market driven economy, and algore is the herald of fools; 2nd, George W. - after voting for him twice, I am extremely ashamed, because he's acted like a liberal - he spent crazy, he's pro-bail out (anti-market), and stomped on the constitution. He is NOT what he claimed to be, he is NOT a republican/conservative based on his actions, he IS a Democrat/liberal in action as far as I'm concerned. He's done squat to protect our borders. And finally, I believe 9/11 was a false flag attack, to create motive to go to the Middle-East to help his Saudi friends out by getting rid of Sadam, it was about oil, but about Saudi ties also. That's right - I believe our fellow Americans were murdered, that he's an all-out liar, and hell is waiting. I also believe McCain would have been a pathetic prez, but am convinced Obama will be worse; if he follows through on DNC plans, he will drive our economy down terribly. Socialism always, always fails. Must have competition and incentive to work and create.
 
2008-12-31 11:32:54 AM  
Oznog

WTH is that?
 
2008-12-31 11:33:16 AM  
We all want to be wise and careful stewards of the beautiful planet we call home. However, many aspects of the modern green movement that is permeating every segment of our society are not about saving the environment. You don't have to dig very deep to discover the true beliefs and agenda of the influential leaders who are attempting to impose their vision of a New Green Order on the world. Please carefully consider the implications of the opinions that they so openly and freely express:

"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ...All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

- Club of Rome,
The First Global Revolution,
consultants to the UN.

"...we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination.... So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts.... Each of us has to decide what the right balance
is between being effective and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology
lead Author of many IPCC reports

"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment

And from Maurice Strong - Mr. Kyoto himself

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"
- Maurice Strong, former Secretary General of UNEP
 
2008-12-31 11:34:26 AM  
lhinds: weaken our economy.

I know right? It's all about the Benjamins. Fark green.
 
2008-12-31 11:35:26 AM  
Zafler: PJ_the_Barbarian

Err, what? Most interglacials still have ice at the poles. All indications of the Milankovitch Cycle are saying we should be either leveling off, or entering a cooling phase at this point.


I was basically arguing semantics. The "interglacials" you're referencing are just the colder parts of the Quaternary glaciation, which has been going on for ~2.5 million years. That's the ice age we're still in.
 
2008-12-31 11:36:05 AM  
PJ_the_Barbarian:
I was basically arguing semantics. The "interglacials" you're referencing are just the colder parts of the Quaternary glaciation, which has been going on for ~2.5 million years. That's the ice age we're still in.


and by colder I mean warmer.
 
2008-12-31 11:36:26 AM  
scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam


"We've got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy."
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
 
2008-12-31 11:37:52 AM  
PJ_the_Barbarian

Ahh, I'm a layman, so I'm using that definition of ice age. It works well enough to demonstrate what's going on without going into a time period where the continents themselves were in significantly different positions.
 
2008-12-31 11:38:16 AM  
"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen."
- Sir John Houghton,
first chairman of IPCC



These guys need to understand that people write down the stuff that they say.
 
2008-12-31 11:38:37 AM  
The worst word to come up this year: melty

It's sad when people use a word created by Taco-Bell. Anyone who uses it should be shot through the head.

/Melted
//Molten
///but never melty
 
2008-12-31 11:39:28 AM  
Zafler: forfarkonly: And how is it you are not aware that less than 3% of carbon emissions are "man made" and amount to squat?

Zafler, there's hope for you - read http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

You've been duped. Who's running the NASA numbers? Oh, it's al gore's buddy. Oh, and guess who has had to retract erroneous data because other organizations are slapping him on the wrist? Do you see a pattern?
Look, I fish, enjoy the outdoors, get pissed off at people that leave trash, and pick up after them as much as anyone, but al gore is a politician, he's sold lies for years, and it's catching up with him - finally!
 
2008-12-31 11:41:48 AM  
"In my view, after fifty years of service in the United Nations system,
I perceive the utmost urgency and absolute necessity for proper
Earth government. There is no shadow of a doubt that the present
political and economic systems are no longer appropriate
and will lead to the end of life evolution on this planet.
We must therefore absolutely and urgently look for new ways."
- Dr Robert Muller,
UN Assistant Secretary General,
 
2008-12-31 11:43:48 AM  
"A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the
United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of
ecology and the world resource situation."
- Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another
United States. We can't let other countries have the same
number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the US.
We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are."
- Michael Oppenheimer,
Environmental Defense Fund
 
2008-12-31 11:45:32 AM  
Wow, you're citing a website run by a non-climatologist, not even a scientist as near as I can tell. A site run by a fundy group that believes kids are being indoctrinated into being gay?

Get your science from scientists, that entire sight is woefully mis-sourced.
 
2008-12-31 11:45:37 AM  
the truth will set you free. This entire scam is about organizing one global governing body. It is about dismantling the United States.

And incredibly naive people who live in the USA are trying to help overthrow our government and our economy.
 
2008-12-31 11:50:38 AM  
nicksteel stop doing a copy-pasta job from a website whose author doesn't even identify himself, and whose quotes don't seem to be found anywhere else.
 
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