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(CNN)   After trailing the entire game, the sixth best team in the Big 12 decides to stop screwing around and just beat the third best Big 11 team with good defense   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 61
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2008-12-30 09:48:29 AM  
Chase Daniel is not a god.
 
2008-12-30 11:44:40 AM  
HappyFarker: Chase Daniel is not a god.

Chase Daniels eats boogers
 
2008-12-30 12:31:34 PM  
Nice misleading headline. It was the 5th best Big 12 team vs. the 4th best Big 10 team, but thanks for trolling Subby.
 
2008-12-30 12:32:20 PM  
Northwestern seemed to be dominating that entire game except for two plays: the punt return for a touchdown to end the second half and the forced fumble in overtime. Oh, and the abysmal, unforced missed extra point. Take away any of those and it looks like the Wildcats win.

Actually, thinking back, Missouri dominated special teams play... my point still generally stands.
 
2008-12-30 12:32:37 PM  
Northwestern beat themselves. Good defense didn't cause the missed field goal, or the missed extra point.
 
2008-12-30 12:33:48 PM  
You mean 5th best Big 12 team beating the fourth or more likely fifth best Big 10 team (anyone actually think Northwestern, right now, is better than Iowa? Didn't think so.)? And that defense allowed more points to N'western than Michigan's crap-ass defense?

Congratulations. You'll understand if everyone laughs at you now.
 
2008-12-30 12:36:02 PM  
 
2008-12-30 12:41:18 PM  
Subby - nothing's worse than posting in a sports section with the wrong stats. FAIL.
 
2008-12-30 12:43:30 PM  
I'd also rip subby - but my Boilers were the 10th best team in the big10, so I have no room to gloat, unless subby went to IU
 
2008-12-30 12:58:48 PM  
Chase Daniels has never beaten Oklahoma. Ever. Fifth, Sixth it doesnt matter. It's the Big 12 South that makes the Big 12 the most dominant division. Yes I'm looking at you SEC.
 
2008-12-30 12:59:53 PM  
I do not understand "conference pride". I don't think I ever will.
 
2008-12-30 01:00:44 PM  
...excuse me, Subby? Captial One Bowl's not until tomorrow.

/Was anyone else looking up basketball scores to figure out when Michigan State played a Big 12 team?
 
2008-12-30 01:09:24 PM  
Clonod
I do not understand "conference pride". I don't think I ever will.

In sports, above all other things, you are judged by your opponents abilities.
 
2008-12-30 01:13:55 PM  
IlGreven: ...excuse me, Subby? Captial One Bowl's not until tomorrow.

/Was anyone else looking up basketball scores to figure out when Michigan State played a Big 12 team?


I was thinking BBall at first - and to your point, MSU is in 7th right now (I think) - Minnie ILL and OSU all have 1 loss or less, then come the two loss teams and out of them MSU has played less total games then all butnoocbr>At the end I think MSU will be third, maybe second - but not first ;)
 
2008-12-30 01:27:01 PM  
to bad Missouri couldnt beat the top 4 teams in the Big 12...now that would be something to brag about...

SUBBY must be a Missouri fan...hey little guy , how's it going, oh what you have a football team...how cute.
 
2008-12-30 01:34:15 PM  
Which conference is the Big 12 and which is the Big 11? I can't keep track of that crap any more. One of them should find a decent name.
 
2008-12-30 01:36:09 PM  
p the boiler: I'd also rip subby - but my Boilers were the 10th best team in the big10, so I have no room to gloat, unless subby went to IU

I would love to rip stupid Purdue, but I'm too busy trying to tell myself the Sampson era was just an awful nightmare. Northeastern and Lipscomb? I think I'm going to go cry now.
 
2008-12-30 01:39:40 PM  
Kenthehillwilliam: SUBBY must be a Missouri fan...hey little guy , how's it going, oh what you have a football team...how cute.

Mizery sucks and all, but you're from Indiana- not exactly a college football hotbed. Unless you're a Wildcat fan, and then your favorite team still hasn't won a bowl game since 1949. In summation, STFU, noob.

HappyFarker: Chase Daniel is not a god.

Seriously, WTF happened to taihs guy? His draft stock has just plummeted. And it seems like he just doesn't even care- terrible body language, terrible body in general, and terrible decision making.

/Summon Mentat
 
2008-12-30 01:42:18 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: taihs

HA! Now that's a funny filter pwn. taihs = misspelled "this."
 
2008-12-30 01:44:41 PM  
Is someone really bragging about their team's performance in the Alamo bowl?
 
2008-12-30 01:49:08 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: taihs

HA! Now that's a funny filter pwn. taihs = misspelled "this."


Misspelled "this" = "shiat" backwards.
 
2008-12-30 01:50:51 PM  
Daniel was more efficient last year because he could work Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman underneath the whole game and teams couldn't just defend the deep pass on Maclin and Will Franklin. Rucker was hugely underrated and helped Chase move the chains.

Losing two NFL caliber receivers will hurt any QB, especially at Missouri though, where we can't just reload.

When he gets it going, he's one of the best, but he was off the entire last half of the season, even in a couple of our blowout wins.

As a Mizzou fan, the thing that really disappointed me this year was our defensive secondary. Ugh. How they went from being above average last year to putrid this year, I'll never know.

/Maclin needs to stay because...uh, can't really think of a reason, he just needs to
 
2008-12-30 01:53:28 PM  
ToddMU03: I would love to rip stupid Purdue, but I'm too busy trying to tell myself the Sampson era was just an awful nightmare. Northeastern and Lipscomb? I think I'm going to go cry now.

I hope you get better soon - I love Purdue v IU when both teams are good - which hasn't happened in a looong time - it will be no fun to stomp the Hoosiers this year.

ok, I'm kidding - it is going to be great fun to kick them in the teeth - but only one game this year, the big10 needs a punch in the nuts for that
 
2008-12-30 01:55:45 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Mizery sucks and all, but you're from Indiana- not exactly a college football hotbed. Unless you're a Wildcat fan, and then your favorite team still hasn't won a bowl game since 1949. In summation, STFU, noob.

never said it was...but Mizzu fans are acting like Purdue fans did after Drew Mole lead them to a Rose Bowl loss. They acted like they had been on the college football seen for 50 years and their program mattered...Yeah Indiana is not hotbed for college football
but you won't see me bragging when Notre Dame beats Hawaii or Purdue wins the Motor City Bowl. Congrats it took you till overtime to beat Northwestern...I repeat it took you till overtime to beat NORTHWESTERN
 
2008-12-30 01:59:13 PM  
So, Missouri's #1?
 
2008-12-30 02:04:42 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Mizery sucks and all, but you're from Indiana- not exactly a college football hotbed. Unless you're a Wildcat fan, and then your favorite team still hasn't won a bowl game since 1949. In summation, STFU, noob.

wait... you called him noob? Indiana has the most storied team in college football - ever hear of Notre Dame- if not, then you are the noob.

It hurts me to type this as I hate ND almost as much as IU, but I do know that ND's history in college football surpasses all others.

/going to puke now
 
2008-12-30 02:05:43 PM  
p the boiler: Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Mizery sucks and all, but you're from Indiana- not exactly a college football hotbed. Unless you're a Wildcat fan, and then your favorite team still hasn't won a bowl game since 1949. In summation, STFU, noob.

oh and - the Widcats, Northwestern... that is in Evanston, Illinois.
 
2008-12-30 02:14:02 PM  
I still don't see why people get all bent out of shape over college football. The level of talent in the pro game is so much better.

/then again, I suppose its expected when you grow up in Big Ten country
//more specifically, the "hotbed" of college football known as Illinois
///SEC fans are most likely to get bent out of shape by my statement
 
2008-12-30 02:19:34 PM  
chuggernaught: Clonod
I do not understand "conference pride". I don't think I ever will.

In sports, above all other things, you are judged by your opponents abilities.


That simply isn't true. It's a factor, but it doesn't explain the shiatting contests that take place on Fark every week on this issue.
 
2008-12-30 02:47:48 PM  
Has there ever been a QB that has killed his draft status more coming down the wire than Daniels? I know he wasn't going to be an overall #1 anyway, but seriously, he'll be lucky to be someone's 5th round flyer the rate he's going. Reesing has looked better at QB than Daniels since about late October.

I kind of had to laugh when they were comparing him to Drew Brees last night, then he threw another pick like 5 plays later.
 
2008-12-30 02:59:07 PM  
jayhawk88: Has there ever been a QB that has killed his draft status more coming down the wire than Daniels? I know he wasn't going to be an overall #1 anyway, but seriously, he'll be lucky to be someone's 5th round flyer the rate he's going.

I present you with Curtis Painter this year - Heisman talk, top QB taken talk and then he crapped himself all year - now not even considered draft worthy
 
2008-12-30 03:15:00 PM  
jayhawk88: Has there ever been a QB that has killed his draft status more coming down the wire than Daniels? I know he wasn't going to be an overall #1 anyway, but seriously, he'll be lucky to be someone's 5th round flyer the rate he's going. Reesing has looked better at QB than Daniels since about late October.

I kind of had to laugh when they were comparing him to Drew Brees last night, then he threw another pick like 5 plays later.


I think Daniel was always looked at as a 2nd day pick. His stock is defnitely down, but he was never going to be a 1st rounder, let a lone a #1 overall.

I'm interested to see if Reesing ends up anywhere when he graduates. He kind of reminds me of Jeff Garcia.
 
2008-12-30 03:19:44 PM  
p the boiler: I present you with Curtis Painter this year - Heisman talk, top QB taken talk and then he crapped himself all year - now not even considered draft worthy

Indeed. If he had been the QB in the Michigan game instead of Siller, Purdue would have lost that game by 20 instead of winning. The guy completely fell apart this season, completely inexplicably too.
 
2008-12-30 03:23:10 PM  
What do you mean Indiana isn't a hotbed for football? Ever heard of Indiana State University?
Huh?
 
2008-12-30 03:35:25 PM  
kind of had to laugh when they were comparing him to Drew Brees last night, then he threw another pick like 5 plays later.

thus proving his comparison correct.
 
2008-12-30 03:57:49 PM  
p the boiler: I present you with Curtis Painter this year - Heisman talk, top QB taken talk and then he crapped himself all year - now not even considered draft worthy

Hellernot: What do you mean Indiana isn't a hotbed for football? Ever heard of Indiana State University?
Huh?


Curtis Painter was NEVER good. Ever. Under any circumstances. He was just less of a total failure than Brandon Kirsch.
 
2008-12-30 04:01:15 PM  
You mean 5th best Big 12 team beating the fourth or more likely fifth best Big 10 team (anyone actually think Northwestern, right now, is better than Iowa? Didn't think so.)? And that defense allowed more points to N'western than Michigan's crap-ass defense?

Congratulations. You'll understand if everyone laughs at you now.


Well, for lack of an accurate way of comparing the two teams at this moment, you'll just have to rely on the fact that NU beat a heavily favored Iowa in Iowa, and it wasn't that close a game.
 
2008-12-30 04:03:42 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Mizery sucks and all, but you're from Indiana- not exactly a college football hotbed. Unless you're a Wildcat fan, and then your favorite team still hasn't won a bowl game since 1949.

That whole "having to recruit actual students" thing gets in the way.

/just ask Vandy
//and Duke.
 
2008-12-30 04:05:20 PM  
Psychohazard: Is someone really bragging about their team's performance in the Alamo bowl?

Wow, what BCS bowl game did you play in?
 
2008-12-30 04:10:36 PM  
Clonod: I think Daniel was always looked at as a 2nd day pick. His stock is defnitely down, but he was never going to be a 1st rounder, let a lone a #1 overall.

He was at least a second rounder at the beginning of the year though, and through Oct 11 when they were still scoring 50 a game and looked unstoppable. Be interesting to see where he ends up. Like I say, he's probably a 4th or 5th round flyer at best now, but still, that spread seems to be pretty popular with a lot of NFL teams these days. I could see him landing on a team as a backup and getting a shot at a starting job, ala Seneca Wallace.
 
2008-12-30 04:19:48 PM  
rga184: Well, for lack of an accurate way of comparing the two teams at this moment, you'll just have to rely on the fact that NU beat a heavily favored Iowa in Iowa, and it wasn't that close a game.

Not close? It was a 5 point game and N'western was down 17-3 at one point. They were fortunate that Iowa weirdly couldn't catch kicks that day and kept turning it over. And Shonn Greene missed most of the 4th quarter. And they still only won by 5.
 
2008-12-30 04:35:39 PM  
Damn Northwestern. They were the Big Tenorso team I was least sick to root for during the Bowl Season. And it took 12 full regulation games to remember they're Northwestern.

/Enjoy middling around the bottom next year.
 
2008-12-30 04:37:15 PM  
The Great EZE: it took 12 13 full regulation games to remember they're Northwestern.

FTFM
 
2008-12-30 04:52:27 PM  
GQueue: Not close? It was a 5 point game and N'western was down 17-3 at one point. They were fortunate that Iowa weirdly couldn't catch kicks that day and kept turning it over. And Shonn Greene missed most of the 4th quarter. And they still only won by 5.

It was a five point game, but I think the score was closer than what the performance showed. I don't think it was that close a game the way both teams played on either side of the ball. I guess that's a matter of opinion though, and yours and mine happen to differ.

The Great EZE: Damn Northwestern. They were the Big Tenorso team I was least sick to root for during the Bowl Season. And it took 12 full regulation games to remember they're Northwestern.

/Enjoy middling around the bottom next year.


Look at it this way, NU was picked at the bottom of the big ten this year. The few people who gave them some credit picked them in the middle or lower third at best. Mizzou was a natl title contender at the beginning of the season, and still had one of the most potent offenses in the nation.

I think NU did well at the Alamo Bowl. Yeah, they made some dumb mistakes in the second half, but to be honest, they didn't have a lot to work with. They seldom have a lot to work with, to be honest. The only year I remember thinking they were a potent team that could play against anybody on whatever day was the rose bowl year and the year after. That's when they had an experienced line, an experienced QB and experienced receivers. Ever since then, they make do with what athletes (students) they can recruit, and they do pretty well considering.

As for "enjoy hanging out at the bottom of the big ten next year", I wouldn't be so sure. The whole cliche of picking NU to be the automatic last place finisher in the big ten hasn't been true in a number of years. Save the year Randy Walker died, they've improved each year.

Next year they return a darn good running QB. A QB that in my opinion is better than their starter (you live by the Bacher, you die by the Bacher). I was hoping Kafka (backup guy) would get some playing time because Bacher is inconsistent and prone to bad decisions oftentimes (when he's good, he's great though, but I prefer consistency).

They return all but one player in their line, and keep in mind that every single guy on that line is a first year starter save for that lone senior they're losing. The O-line is nice and deep.

Their linebackers are mostly coming back, and while not superstars, they're quite good. Wootton is returning, and hopefully won't go pro after Junior year. He's got all-american written all over him. Most of all, Pat Fitzgerald is returning, and he's improving as a coach each year. He was atrocious his first year out, and he's calmed down and become more conservative lately.

But hey, if it's easier for you to be lazy and just assume NU will finish last every year out, that's fine.

They won't win a big ten title next year or anytime soon, but they'll be just as good next year as this year. This will be true for the Big Ten as a whole. Michigan will definitely improve, MSU is starting to believe in itself again, Penn State is flirting with its glory days, OSU is probably going to stick around as long as their QB remains a consistently good player.
 
2008-12-30 05:11:55 PM  
rga184: GQueue: Not close? It was a 5 point game and N'western was down 17-3 at one point. They were fortunate that Iowa weirdly couldn't catch kicks that day and kept turning it over. And Shonn Greene missed most of the 4th quarter. And they still only won by 5.

It was a five point game, but I think the score was closer than what the performance showed. I don't think it was that close a game the way both teams played on either side of the ball. I guess that's a matter of opinion though, and yours and mine happen to differ.


Not to mention that Iowa had 5 turnovers in that game and it was still only a 5 point game that Iowa could have won if they actually had a O-Coordinator with half a brain and would have had Greene run it a couple times inside the 10 yard line with plenty of time on the clock to do that safely.

Northwestern didn't beat Iowa that game... Iowa beat Iowa that game.
 
2008-12-30 05:15:04 PM  
Hold on! I think they just showed Chase Daniel's family again!!!

/for the eleventy-millionth time!
 
2008-12-30 05:45:30 PM  
Ardilla: Hold on! I think they just showed Chase Daniel's family again!!!

/for the eleventy-millionth time!


THIS

I wanted one of the chicks to start flashing the camera just to make it worth the airtime they were wasting.
 
2008-12-30 05:50:40 PM  
Debbie Phelps thought Chase Daniels' family was getting too much run.
 
2008-12-30 05:52:03 PM  
rga184: GQueue: Not close? It was a 5 point game and N'western was down 17-3 at one point. They were fortunate that Iowa weirdly couldn't catch kicks that day and kept turning it over. And Shonn Greene missed most of the 4th quarter. And they still only won by 5.

It was a five point game, but I think the score was closer than what the performance showed. I don't think it was that close a game the way both teams played on either side of the ball. I guess that's a matter of opinion though, and yours and mine happen to differ.

The Great EZE: Damn Northwestern. They were the Big Tenorso team I was least sick to root for during the Bowl Season. And it took 12 full regulation games to remember they're Northwestern.

/Enjoy middling around the bottom next year.

Look at it this way, NU was picked at the bottom of the big ten this year. The few people who gave them some credit picked them in the middle or lower third at best. Mizzou was a natl title contender at the beginning of the season, and still had one of the most potent offenses in the nation.

I think NU did well at the Alamo Bowl. Yeah, they made some dumb mistakes in the second half, but to be honest, they didn't have a lot to work with. They seldom have a lot to work with, to be honest. The only year I remember thinking they were a potent team that could play against anybody on whatever day was the rose bowl year and the year after. That's when they had an experienced line, an experienced QB and experienced receivers. Ever since then, they make do with what athletes (students) they can recruit, and they do pretty well considering.

As for "enjoy hanging out at the bottom of the big ten next year", I wouldn't be so sure. The whole cliche of picking NU to be the automatic last place finisher in the big ten hasn't been true in a number of years. Save the year Randy Walker died, they've improved each year.

Next year they return a darn good running QB. A QB that in my opinion is better than their starter (you live by the Bacher, you die by the Bacher). I was hoping Kafka (backup guy) would get some playing time because Bacher is inconsistent and prone to bad decisions oftentimes (when he's good, he's great though, but I prefer consistency).

They return all but one player in their line, and keep in mind that every single guy on that line is a first year starter save for that lone senior they're losing. The O-line is nice and deep.

Their linebackers are mostly coming back, and while not superstars, they're quite good. Wootton is returning, and hopefully won't go pro after Junior year. He's got all-american written all over him. Most of all, Pat Fitzgerald is returning, and he's improving as a coach each year. He was atrocious his first year out, and he's calmed down and become more conservative lately.

But hey, if it's easier for you to be lazy and just assume NU will finish last every year out, that's fine.

They won't win a big ten title next year or anytime soon, but they'll be just as good next year as this year. This will be true for the Big Ten as a whole. Michigan will definitely improve, MSU is starting to believe in itself again, Penn State is flirting with its glory days, OSU is probably going to stick around as long as their QB remains a consistently good player.


I was impressed with NW last night in the game. They were obviously the less talented team, but came out with a lot more fire and almost pulled the upset. Fitzgerald has a chance to build something really nice at NW, and the Big 10 is so down right now that he's in a great position to challenge some of the second-tier teams like Illinois, Iowa and Michigan St.
 
2008-12-30 06:04:10 PM  
rga184: GQueue: Not close? It was a 5 point game and N'western was down 17-3 at one point. They were fortunate that Iowa weirdly couldn't catch kicks that day and kept turning it over. And Shonn Greene missed most of the 4th quarter. And they still only won by 5.

It was a five point game, but I think the score was closer than what the performance showed. I don't think it was that close a game the way both teams played on either side of the ball. I guess that's a matter of opinion though, and yours and mine happen to differ.

The Great EZE: Damn Northwestern. They were the Big Tenorso team I was least sick to root for during the Bowl Season. And it took 12 full regulation games to remember they're Northwestern.

/Enjoy middling around the bottom next year.

Look at it this way, NU was picked at the bottom of the big ten this year. The few people who gave them some credit picked them in the middle or lower third at best. Mizzou was a natl title contender at the beginning of the season, and still had one of the most potent offenses in the nation.

I think NU did well at the Alamo Bowl. Yeah, they made some dumb mistakes in the second half, but to be honest, they didn't have a lot to work with. They seldom have a lot to work with, to be honest. The only year I remember thinking they were a potent team that could play against anybody on whatever day was the rose bowl year and the year after. That's when they had an experienced line, an experienced QB and experienced receivers. Ever since then, they make do with what athletes (students) they can recruit, and they do pretty well considering.

As for "enjoy hanging out at the bottom of the big ten next year", I wouldn't be so sure. The whole cliche of picking NU to be the automatic last place finisher in the big ten hasn't been true in a number of years. Save the year Randy Walker died, they've improved each year.

Next year they return a darn good running QB. A QB that in my opinion is better than their starter (you live by the Bacher, you die by the Bacher). I was hoping Kafka (backup guy) would get some playing time because Bacher is inconsistent and prone to bad decisions oftentimes (when he's good, he's great though, but I prefer consistency).

They return all but one player in their line, and keep in mind that every single guy on that line is a first year starter save for that lone senior they're losing. The O-line is nice and deep.

Their linebackers are mostly coming back, and while not superstars, they're quite good. Wootton is returning, and hopefully won't go pro after Junior year. He's got all-american written all over him. Most of all, Pat Fitzgerald is returning, and he's improving as a coach each year. He was atrocious his first year out, and he's calmed down and become more conservative lately.

But hey, if it's easier for you to be lazy and just assume NU will finish last every year out, that's fine.

They won't win a big ten title next year or anytime soon, but they'll be just as good next year as this year. This will be true for the Big Ten as a whole. Michigan will definitely improve, MSU is starting to believe in itself again, Penn State is flirting with its glory days, OSU is probably going to stick around as long as their QB remains a consistently good player.


Want to know the one word argument on why NW won't be last in the Big Ten next year?

Indiana.
 
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