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(Boston Herald)   Yankees may have won the free agent battle but Red Sox win the free agent war. Sign Brad Penny   (bostonherald.com) divider line 34
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2008-12-29 07:13:51 AM  
Ooh, they added a losing pitcher to their staff. Way to go, Red Sox! I'm sure the rest of the league is quaking in their boots.
 
2008-12-29 07:49:51 AM  
Yeah, I don't think they won anything other than an inflated contract.
 
2008-12-29 07:51:52 AM  
It's not the greatest signing, but it helps. They've got Dice-K, Beckett, and Lester for the front-end. Him and Wake can hold the back end while Masterson and Bucholz get ready.

And Bard is a damn good signing for them.

/Penny for $5 mil isn't bad
 
2008-12-29 07:57:58 AM  
Who and what? They are going where? I'm more concerned that in the article, they have tossed up their hands on Varitek.
 
2008-12-29 08:12:39 AM  
Just shut him down after the all-star break.
 
2008-12-29 08:39:32 AM  
This article is full of "meh"
 
2008-12-29 09:16:28 AM  
I don't mind the Penny signing. He could, if healthy, fill up the 5 spot the Sox had so much trouble filling last year. The Bard signing is a bit weird. He's not going to start, and he sucks donkey balls catching Wake. Eh.
 
2008-12-29 09:33:48 AM  
If they were going to take a chance on an injury risk, why not take Sheets instead? I think Sheets has more upside.
 
2008-12-29 09:33:49 AM  
Sox are having a fairly underwhelming off season.
 
2008-12-29 09:34:38 AM  
GimpyNip: Sox are having a fairly underwhelming off season.

That's OK, the Yankees will have the underwhelming season.
 
2008-12-29 09:34:47 AM  
ThrnPhl: I don't mind the Penny signing. He could, if healthy, fill up the 5 spot the Sox had so much trouble filling last year. The Bard signing is a bit weird. He's not going to start, and he sucks donkey balls catching Wake. Eh.

Wasn't Bard the guy they panicked and shipped back to San Diego to get Mirabelli back, complete with private jet and police escort back to Fenway?
 
2008-12-29 09:36:04 AM  
Wasn't Bard the guy they panicked and shipped back to San Diego to get Mirabelli back, complete with private jet and police escort back to Fenway?

That's the one!
 
2008-12-29 09:37:17 AM  
Sox 2009 catcher:

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Just remember, if the runner is going, throw a low fastball.
 
2008-12-29 09:39:08 AM  
Sheets would have cost double what Penny did. And Sheets wants multiple years. As a baseball fan, I think it's a good signing. As a Yankees fan, I can only hope that he sucks as bad as he did last year and Teix hits a gazillion HR's off of him this year.
 
2008-12-29 09:40:22 AM  
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2008-12-29 09:43:50 AM  
azkaevolution: Sheets would have cost double what Penny did. And Sheets wants multiple years.

Well I want to be an astronaut, but that's not going to happen either.

I don't see anyone signing Sheets to multiple years unless the contract is full of incentive clauses.
 
2008-12-29 09:46:20 AM  
I don't get this. Headline.
 
2008-12-29 09:47:22 AM  
2009::Brad Penny as 2008::____________

a. Matt Young
b. Danny Darwin
c. Bartolo Colon
d. Frank Viola

/the answer is always c
 
2008-12-29 09:53:50 AM  
This is a pretty good site to look up injuries: link.
 
2008-12-29 10:32:25 AM  
Wise_Guy: Sox 2009 catcher:

Just remember, if the runner is going, throw a low fastball.


That thing is relentless with a knuckleball though.
 
2008-12-29 10:47:18 AM  
beantowndog: That thing is relentless with a knuckleball though.

That's the beauty of it--if Wake is having trouble locating, you can always turn it sideways.
 
2008-12-29 11:04:33 AM  
Wise_Guy: Just remember, if the runner is going, throw a low fastball.

Nice.

It's not a bad move by the Sox. Low risk, and maybe Penny has a good contract season.

Of course, it's also possible he'll be at Dunkin Donuts until five minutes before he takes the ball and has Boston creme all over his hands.
 
2008-12-29 11:11:03 AM  
Yanks_RSJ: Of course, it's also possible he'll be at Dunkin Donuts until five minutes before he takes the ball and has Boston creme all over his hands.

That'd tend to help with his movement, I'd expect. Not his mobility on the mound, mind you, but ball movement.
 
2008-12-29 11:16:01 AM  
Yanks_RSJ: It's not a bad move by the Sox. Low risk, and maybe Penny has a good contract season.

Of course, it's also possible he'll be at Dunkin Donuts until five minutes before he takes the ball and has Boston creme all over his hands.


Really good or really bad, it seems the outcome is Boston creme on his hands.
 
2008-12-29 12:14:22 PM  
$5 mil for Penny is a steal
 
2008-12-29 12:16:01 PM  
Brad Penny is this year's Bartolo Colon/Wade Miller reclamation project. Not a major signing, but he might give them a few solid starts when they really need one before going down with a season ending injury.

Now the Bard signing, THAT I like. Bye Varitek, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
2008-12-29 12:40:04 PM  
notmtwain: Ooh, they added a losing pitcher to their staff. Way to go, Red Sox! I'm sure the rest of the league is quaking in their boots.

Brad Penny isn't a bad pitcher at all, even once you include the park effects from his stay with the Dodgers. From 2003-2007 he was significantly better than the average pitcher, and in 2007 he was a Cy Young candidate. He's 30 years old, and shouldn't decline appreciably for a couple years.

He got hurt last year, and in 2004. This is why they got him relatively cheap.

Going to the AL (especially Fenway) will raise his raw stats a bit, but he's a good bet to be a little better than league-average, which is all the Red Sox need him to be. His goals: Eat 180 innings, put up a 4.25 ERA or so, and be much better than their current #5. And if you get lucky and end up with 2007 Brad Penny, you probably have the best signing of the off-season.

Roethlisberger Helmet Company: Now the Bard signing, THAT I like. Bye Varitek, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Yup. He should retire before his production falls from "declining" to "embarrassing". Catchers do not age well, and he doesn't have the bat to move to 1B or DH.
 
2008-12-29 01:05:55 PM  
As an aside on Varitek, I've only found two projections on him so far for 2009:

Bill James: ~450 PA, .238/.334/.392
Marcel: 493 PA, .233/.325/.385

Varitek's defense hasn't been great either-- he threw out only 23% of base stealers over the last three years, but he is good at preventing PB/E.

And yet, Bard is worse. He has an abysmal arm (12% CS for 2006-2008), and the league knows it. Against Josh Bard, runners attempted 13.7 steals per 100 innings from 2006-2008, compared to the 2008 NL average of 8.7. (The Rays are going to have a lot of fun against him.) He'll almost certainly outhit Varitek, but there's a reason Bard has rarely been full-time, even after a season where he hit .333/.404/.522 in 285 PA.
 
2008-12-29 03:21:07 PM  
Penny is not going to win much for you and won't burn up many innings either. Boston made a bad deal.

Good riddance

Dodgers Fan.
 
2008-12-29 04:31:30 PM  
penny is what a year removed from starting in the allstar game for the nl and was in serious cy young contention? his year last year could EASILY happen to burnett this year, burnett has had like what, like 2 good seasons? getting a pitcher like penny is a great deal for the price.
 
2008-12-29 05:04:17 PM  
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Penny is not going to win much for you and won't burn up many innings either. Boston made a bad deal.

Good riddance

Dodgers Fan.


This isn't a bad deal at all. People above me pointed out, it's up to 1 year/8 mil with incentives. If he stays hurt, they're only out 5 million for a season, and he's got the upside to be league average or better. It's low risk with potential for high reward, and for a team with the financial resources of the Red Sox, 5 million is nothing.

Nobody's expecting amazing things, but this is far from a bad signing.
 
2008-12-29 06:34:11 PM  
Hrmmm... granted, Bard only had 178 ABs last year (compared to 423 for 'Tek), but his offensive numbers (.202 BA, .279 OBP) were worse than Varitek's (.220 BA, .313 OBP).

/Disclaimer: I'm not very good with stats
//waiting for someone to ream me a new one for not interpreting the numbers properly
 
2008-12-29 08:59:05 PM  
This is likely a good signing for the Red Sox.

After all, as the saying goes "a Brad Penny always turns up".

/Here all week
//Try the veal
 
2008-12-29 10:28:08 PM  
Lets just hope they signed the 2008 Brad Penny, not the 2003 one.

/Yankee fan
//Painful memories
///Oh god, not again.
 
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