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2008-12-28 09:16:15 AM  
i love to hate Tom Cruise
 
2008-12-28 09:23:43 AM  
you know who played a really convincing Nazi?
 
2008-12-28 09:35:07 AM  
In a period piece movie shouldn't the 'actors' at least try to speak with at least maybe the accent of the time and place? I know Americans are too stupid to be able to use subtitles so making an authentic feeling movie like Das Boot is purely for liberal hippie artistic type people who do boring things like 'thinking', but can't they at least do a goddamn accent?

Tom Cruise is such a nauseating waste of biological material (Tom, The Plants want their Nitrogen back) that I will never watch another movie with him in it. But even if this one did tempt me the thought of Tommy strutting about in 1940s Nazi Germany speaking Los Angeles English is enough to make me sure I won't even bother to download it for free when it is available on Usenet in a few weeks.
 
2008-12-28 09:44:14 AM  
BearToy: In a period piece movie shouldn't the 'actors' at least try to speak with at least maybe the accent of the time and place?

I don't know if that's necessarily the case, but mixed accents are jarring; if most of the cast is using RP, but you have one guy with a full-on American accent, it's not going to feel right.

Take Rome as an example. English accents of one sort or another all around, rather than... er... Italian, I guess? And it worked beautifully, IMO.
 
2008-12-28 09:48:48 AM  
Valkyrie was not a bad movie - the event was compelling, so it's difficult to screw-up on the retelling. However, Cruise ruined a good thing; besides the fact he can't act, the continual close-ups of his botoxed face were off-putting. I couldn't get passed the point where I could accept Cruise as anyone other than Cruise playing a Nazi.
 
2008-12-28 10:03:42 AM  
Tom Cruise was awesome in Tropic Thunder (my favorite movie of the last year). Haven't seen Valkyrie yet, but maybe I'll go tonight.
 
2008-12-28 10:05:54 AM  
Tom Cruise was great in Top Gun and that underwear singing movie with the hooker. He was also mildly amusing as Les Grossman. Other then that, meh.

/I said meh.
 
2008-12-28 10:06:05 AM  
So which is worse: an American lead playing a Nazi with an American accent or European costars playing Nazis with British accents?

I'm all for the hatefest on little Tommy but I disagree with the article's view that the other actors were "believable" in their roles.
 
2008-12-28 10:06:11 AM  
Subby, please out yourself so I can farky you as 'complete retard'. All it says is that he didn't do a good job on this occasion.
 
2008-12-28 10:16:11 AM  
clancifer: Tom Cruise was awesome in Tropic Thunder (my favorite movie of the last year). Haven't seen Valkyrie yet, but maybe I'll go tonight.

I wouldn't quite say awesome. He had a fat suit on and played up most of the irritating characteristics from that "show me the money" movie.
 
2008-12-28 10:21:47 AM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

i88.photobucket.com
 
2008-12-28 10:21:54 AM  
nacker: clancifer: Tom Cruise was awesome in Tropic Thunder (my favorite movie of the last year). Haven't seen Valkyrie yet, but maybe I'll go tonight.

I wouldn't quite say awesome. He had a fat suit on and played up most of the irritating characteristics from that "show me the money" movie.


Umm, in case you missed it, the entire movie was a parody and every person on that screen was a different Hollywood characiture. So yeah, an overblown version of Jerry Maguire is an acceptable way to go.

/Loved Tropic Thunder
//Thought Cruise was great
///Can't wait for the DVD to hear Downey do the commentary in character
 
2008-12-28 10:25:35 AM  
brigid_fitch: Umm, in case you missed it, the entire movie was a parody and every person on that screen was a different Hollywood characiture. So yeah, an overblown version of Jerry Maguire is an acceptable way to go.

/Loved Tropic Thunder
//Thought Cruise was great
///Can't wait for the DVD to hear Downey do the commentary in character


I wasn't saying the movie was bad. I was just trying to say that for Cruise it wasn't much of an "acting workout". He basically played a character he has been before.
 
2008-12-28 10:28:24 AM  
BearToy: In a period piece movie shouldn't the 'actors' at least try to speak with at least maybe the accent of the time and place? I know Americans are too stupid to be able to use subtitles so making an authentic feeling movie like Das Boot is purely for liberal hippie artistic type people who do boring things like 'thinking', but can't they at least do a goddamn accent?

I don't think that's necessary. Is anything taken away from a Hamlet production when the actors have English accents? It's probably best that a cast has a uniform, neutral accent in a film that takes place entirely in one country. As for the lack of subtitles, there's nothing unreasonable about English-speaking movie makers making a movie with English-speaking actors. They shouldn't be restricted to telling stories that originally happened with people speaking their language.
 
2008-12-28 10:29:29 AM  
albert71292: Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

i88.photobucket.com

One of my uncles was in a German prison camp after being captured at Kasserine Pass. He swore there was a guard just like "Shultz" while he was there.

Maybe Tom Cruise should try playing a part about a space alien that is being held prisoner in a volcano somewhere.
 
2008-12-28 10:32:07 AM  
Dufus: Maybe Tom Cruise should try playing a part about a space alien that is being held prisoner in a volcano somewhere.


Maybe he should lay off the docudramas after this poor performance?
 
2008-12-28 10:35:54 AM  
I saw the movie. Frankly, Tom Cruise was fine. He did not ruin the movie. The movie wasn't ruined at all - it wasn't bad. It was just pretty meh.

Cruise was perfectly fine as Stauffenberg.
 
2008-12-28 10:45:34 AM  
DamnYankees: I saw the movie. Frankly, Tom Cruise was fine. He did not ruin the movie. The movie wasn't ruined at all - it wasn't bad. It was just pretty meh.

Cruise was perfectly fine as Stauffenberg.


I agree with everything but the "meh" part. I actually liked the movie and loved the fact it was pretty historically accurate. That's pretty rare in Hollywood.
 
2008-12-28 10:45:42 AM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

img258.imageshack.us
 
2008-12-28 11:10:45 AM  
JerseyTim: I don't think that's necessary. Is anything taken away from a Hamlet production when the actors have English accents? It's probably best that a cast has a uniform, neutral accent in a film that takes place entirely in one country. As for the lack of subtitles, there's nothing unreasonable about English-speaking movie makers making a movie with English-speaking actors. They shouldn't be restricted to telling stories that originally happened with people speaking their language.

I think his point was more that if you're going to make a period piece movie, all the characters should be at least speaking with the locale's accent. Barring that, they should all at least be speaking with the same accent to have at least some semblance of continuity.


I haven't seen Valkyrie, nor do I really care to. I don't hate Tom Cruise, but I think he's an otherwise mediocre actor who has an inexplicably huge career.
 
2008-12-28 11:23:54 AM  
FeedTheCollapse: I don't hate Tom Cruise, but I think he's an otherwise mediocre actor who has an inexplicably huge career.

He wasn't a mediocre actor 20 years ago (see A Few Good Men). He has been for the past maybe 8 or so.
 
2008-12-28 11:25:21 AM  
This thread gave me a great idea: A Ben Stiller Nazi movie
 
2008-12-28 11:28:26 AM  
Tr0mBoNe: Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

Damn you, now I'm gonna go to hell for laughing at that.

/still chuckling
 
2008-12-28 11:31:30 AM  
FeedTheCollapse: I think his point was more that if you're going to make a period piece movie, all the characters should be at least speaking with the locale's accent. Barring that, they should all at least be speaking with the same accent to have at least some semblance of continuity.

Yeah, I know. I said I disagreed with that first point and proposed the second point. My example was that there's nothing wrong with a Hamlet with an English accent.
 
2008-12-28 11:34:39 AM  
BearToy: In a period piece movie shouldn't the 'actors' at least try to speak with at least maybe the accent of the time and place? I know Americans are too stupid to be able to use subtitles so making an authentic feeling movie like Das Boot is purely for liberal hippie artistic type people who do boring things like 'thinking', but can't they at least do a goddamn accent?


The point is that speaking English with a German accent wouldn't be any more realistic, so what's the point?

And it was quite snarky what you said about Americans and subtitles but movies are a visual medium and having to read the dialog takes you out of the movie and is distracting. It's preferable to dubbing for foreign films but the Mel Gibson thing of doing it when you don't have to sucks.
 
2008-12-28 11:34:47 AM  
Tom Cruise had some good films

Taps, The Outsiders, Risky Business, Far and Away, A few good men, and interview with a vampire,
 
2008-12-28 11:36:43 AM  
Tom Cruise sucks a bowl of donkey nuggets. But I have to admit, I did like him in Tropic Thunder.
 
2008-12-28 11:38:32 AM  
cameroncrazy1984: FeedTheCollapse: I don't hate Tom Cruise, but I think he's an otherwise mediocre actor who has an inexplicably huge career.

He wasn't a mediocre actor 20 years ago (see A Few Good Men). He has been for the past maybe 8 or so.


I wouldn't go that far. One of the side effects of Cruise's 'coming out' of the cult is that it makes his trademark intense look turn into sheer raving madness. Watch any movie knowing he's a higher-up in a cult and he looks like he's barely keeping himself from ripping out someone's throat with his teeth. His old agent did him some massive favors because with the foreknowledge of his 'religious beliefs,' he looks batshiat insane in any movie he does. That thousand year stare is spooky at best.
 
2008-12-28 11:46:23 AM  
Cruise is only 4'11" tall.
 
2008-12-28 11:51:54 AM  
Mugato: The point is that speaking English with a German accent wouldn't be any more realistic, so what's the point?

It would be far more distracting to have the role played with an American accent than a German one. Personally, I prefer war movies where the Germans speak German, I don't find subtitles distracting at all.
 
2008-12-28 11:52:38 AM  
FredaDeStilleto: Valkyrie was not a bad movie - the event was compelling, so it's difficult to screw-up on the retelling. However, Cruise ruined a good thing; besides the fact he can't act, the continual close-ups of his botoxed face were off-putting. I couldn't get passed the point where I could accept Cruise as anyone other than Cruise playing a Nazi.

Tom Cruise is incapable of doing anybody but Tom Cruise. When he is in a movie that allows him to do that - he is not bad. When he wants to do anything else its painful to watch.

/the sad part is that Katie Holms-Cruise isn't much better
 
2008-12-28 11:56:12 AM  
JerseyTim:
My example was that there's nothing wrong with a Hamlet with an English accent.

Of course there is.

If you're going to do an accurate production of Hamlet, the actors should perform with the correct Danish accents.
 
2008-12-28 11:58:50 AM  
"Very well, Mr. Hitler... you Nazi shiathead."

Dear Tom-
You're outclassed by Eddy Izzard. Give it up already.

Love,
Kiribub

/Love Izzard, by the way
 
2008-12-28 12:14:41 PM  
Valkyrie =
www.oldskool.org
 
2008-12-28 12:19:07 PM  
Mugato:
And it was quite snarky what you said about Americans and subtitles but movies are a visual medium and having to read the dialog takes you out of the movie and is distracting. It's preferable to dubbing for foreign films but the Mel Gibson thing of doing it when you don't have to sucks.


I thought it was snarky too, but for different reasons.

I use closed captioning on any television I watch and subtitles on all movies I watch at home. I'm hearing impaired, so I can hear the music and gunshots, etc., but I cannot make out a lot of dialogue. It just takes practice to read, watch and listen all at once. Just my preference. :)
 
2008-12-28 12:19:34 PM  
Haven't seen it yet, but does he kick bac a chair while standing up in it in this one, too?
 
2008-12-28 12:28:37 PM  
BearToy: In a period piece movie shouldn't the 'actors' at least try to speak with at least maybe the accent of the time and place? I know Americans are too stupid to be able to use subtitles so making an authentic feeling movie like Das Boot is purely for liberal hippie artistic type people who do boring things like 'thinking', but can't they at least do a goddamn accent?

No.

The accents don't need to be accurate. Like JerseyTim said they just need to be consistent. Here's an example:
 
2008-12-28 12:41:19 PM  
Tom Cruise HIMSELF is pretty meh, but he always makes people around him really good and by corrolary, his movies are typically great as well because of it.

But he looks like Tom Hanks in DaVinci Code in this movie. Great actor but just totally doesn't fit the part.
 
2008-12-28 12:46:13 PM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

www.trilobite.org
 
2008-12-28 12:51:40 PM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

www.trilobite.org
 
2008-12-28 12:54:57 PM  
BearToy:
In a period piece movie shouldn't the 'actors' at least try to speak with at least maybe the accent of the time and place? I know Americans are too stupid to be able to use subtitles so making an authentic feeling movie like Das Boot is purely for liberal hippie artistic type people who do boring things like 'thinking', but can't they at least do a goddamn accent?

The story is that he tried to do a German accent and was so bad, they had to redo the voice work and delayed the movie release.
 
2008-12-28 12:56:01 PM  
I knew it would be bad, which is why I saw this better film instead:
www.post-gazette.com

/yet again Brad Pitt gives masturbation fantasies to post-menopausal women.
//great movie though.
 
2008-12-28 12:57:35 PM  
tudorgurl: I agree with everything but the "meh" part. I actually liked the movie and loved the fact it was pretty historically accurate. That's pretty rare in Hollywood.

I'm with you. I'm usually not a big Cruise fan, but I thought it was a decent movie. Could they have a found a better Stauffenberg, acting-wise? Maybe. But Cruise bears a damn good resemblance to Stauffenberg, so I think it works out.

Not every war movie has to have massive explosions and gratuitous nudity, people. Or have British actors portraying each character.
 
2008-12-28 01:00:31 PM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

Jews?
 
2008-12-28 01:02:05 PM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

Jim Brown?
Charles Bronson?
Donald Sutherland ?
 
2008-12-28 01:03:23 PM  
Cruise is a good actor, but only when he plays dicks and douchebags.

upload.wikimedia.org

www.rowthree.com
 
2008-12-28 01:08:31 PM  
I loved him in A Few Good Men.

And Tropic Thunder.

He's icky, though, for serious.
 
2008-12-28 01:08:41 PM  
www.nerve.com

Forgot one.
 
2008-12-28 01:14:11 PM  
Hobodeluxe: you know who played a really convincing Nazi?

www.horror-wood.com
 
2008-12-28 01:31:50 PM  
Brad_Will: RP

Had to look that up. Interesting.
 
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