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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Lawmakers want to make it legal for first cousins to wed in Minnesota   (startribune.com) divider line 101
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2003-01-18 10:40:22 AM
Rep. Marty Seifert, R-Marshall, joked that the bill would appear to conflict with Gov. Tim Pawlenty's oft-stated promise "not to turn us into another Arkansas."

Yeah, leave it to a racist, sexist, homophobic tax-cutter-for-the-rich not to respect the lifestyle choices of the downtrodden.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-01-18 10:40:35 AM
I think the age of consent doesn't apply if you are married. So marry the Olsen twins and you are all set. (But wouldn't it be easier to bring them to a state where 16 is legal? Nevada lowered their age of consent a few years ago.)

New Hampshire considered making marriage between first cousins legal a couple years ago. The state rep. who filed the bill said two of her constituents (cousins) had asked for the change.
 
2003-01-18 10:44:53 AM
I'd wait untill they were of legal age,then I'd be hittin' 'em like a broken screen door.

ITYM a broken screen door in a hurricane. A broken screen door by itself doesn't do much hitting. You're welcome.

They still have butterfaces. Those bags under their eyes they had since they were little kids on that show, when I thought they were some of the fugliest kids on TV, are still there and will probably only get worse with age. Until they have the plastic surgery that is.
 
2003-01-18 10:45:06 AM
So the rest of the country is catching up to Florida. There is nothing wrong with a marriage between first cousin. my parents are first cousins and I have a big advantege with my third ear thats coming out of my ass. I can hear the deep tones that come out of my ass.
 
2003-01-18 10:53:34 AM
I've heard this is legal in NY. I'm not sure how much I believe the source of this info but he seems to really want to marry his first cousin.
 
2003-01-18 11:01:31 AM
 
2003-01-18 11:16:10 AM
A prediction: The Olsen twins will be nasty looking skanks by the time they reach 25... (Rich nasty looking skanks)
 
2003-01-18 11:21:37 AM
And here I thought the political fun was over when Jesse left. I guess I should have known better.

Speaking of Jesse, I'm pretty sure he was the lead singer for a band I saw last night.
 
2003-01-18 11:23:15 AM
Why marriage of first cousins? Sometimes people do not get along with the rest of society and family is the only close outlet they have for breeding purposes. At least for these people, viruses from roaches and rats in the houses they have problems cleaning will help inject their gene pool with a few extra strands of DNA each year. The ability to catch the same diseases easily is exactly how they most often avoid the shallow end of the gene pool.

Inbreeding also begats stunted growth, curled fingernails, weaker immune systems, etc... Joys of inbreeding.
 
2003-01-18 11:30:07 AM
 
2003-01-18 12:03:06 PM
Weren't Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt first cousins? I think it occurs most commonly among the hillbillies and the ultra-wealthy.
 
2003-01-18 12:04:10 PM
 
2003-01-18 12:10:08 PM
Many many years ago
when I was twenty three,
I got married to a widow
who was pretty as could be.

This widow had a grown-up daughter
Who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her,
And soon the two were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law
And changed my very life.
My daughter was my mother,
For she was my father's wife.

To complicate the matters worse,
Although it brought me joy,
I soon became the father
Of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became
A brother-in-law to dad.
And so became my uncle,
Though it made me very sad.

For if he was my uncle,
Then that also made him brother
To the widow's grown-up daughter
Who, of course, was my step-mother.

Father's wife then had a son,
Who kept them on the run.
And he became my grandson,
For he was my daughter's son.

My wife is now my mother's mother
And it makes me blue.
Because, although she is my wife,
She's my grandmother too.

If my wife is my grandmother,
Then I am her grandchild.
And every time I think of it,
It simply drives me wild.

For now I have become
The strangest case you ever saw.
As the husband of my grandmother,
I am my own grandpa
 
2003-01-18 12:17:20 PM
I agree that even the idea of marrying one's own cousin is repulsive, but I completely support this bill for the reason that it shouldn't be the government's job to tell people not to.
 
2003-01-18 12:27:49 PM
Will someone please tell these asshats that arkansas is not the only state where this inbreeding takes place?
 
2003-01-18 12:43:00 PM
*notes how glad I am NOT to live there*

*also . . . My would be g/f is in kentucky . . . maybe I should accelerate my courtship?*
 
2003-01-18 12:51:59 PM
Spoonfed'sBuddy But dude the guys proposing this were from the Twin Cities! They mentioned Somalians having a problem and the last time I've seen Somalian up here in the Iron Range was, well, never. I think it's those Western MN folk who live near the Dakotas. Them and their farms and crazy accents...
 
2003-01-18 12:58:12 PM


"We don't see anything wrong with that."
 
2003-01-18 12:58:18 PM
I wonder what Mee Moua has to say about this? IIRC, she's the state's (and the nation's) first Hmong state legislator.

She had the coolest campaign motto -- "Mee for Senate!"
 
2003-01-18 12:59:09 PM
Desertfoxg you do realize that by your stats it means that the odds of a birth defect are doubled by breeding with a cousin right? That sounds significant enough to me not to go there.

You can make anything sound more significant than it is by playing with the statistics. An increase of a couple of percentage points is not very significant in practical terms, no matter how you try to fudge the numbers. In comparison, the rate of birth defect when r = .5 (parents and children, brothers and sisters) is around 30%, which is certainly a huge increase in risk.

Rob
 
2003-01-18 01:01:38 PM
I used to fark one of my cousins, and what's the big deal? Good thing I didn't marry him though because he's nuts.

How would anyone know if you were marrying your cousin? you're not required to put your family tree on the marriage license. And if it's illegal--live in sin. Everybody else does.
 
2003-01-18 01:14:01 PM
Cryinoutloud: some people don't regard family planning high on their list and share the same genes.
 
2003-01-18 01:20:07 PM
if the hmong culture wants to, let them be.. they're not hurting anyone.. and their culture is so small right now, it's very hard to get genetic diversity in to the mix until, couple more generations..

one of my friend is actually one for the first hmong born in U.S.. :|

seems like most of the whites don't give a shiate about the hmong culture here in Minneapolis anyways except mormons :P
 
2003-01-18 01:33:41 PM
Libertarian POV: There should be no law preventing cousins from marrying. That said, it's still kind of a dumb idea. That doubly said, have you SEEN my cousin?!? Oh yeah I'd hit it...
 
2003-01-18 01:40:47 PM
Declawing. Yes. That's the solution. Declawing.
 
2003-01-18 01:50:23 PM
Genetically modified? NOOOOOOO

 
2003-01-18 02:03:15 PM
No worse than homosexuality.
 
MB
2003-01-18 02:13:09 PM
there goes the gene pool in Minn.
 
2003-01-18 02:16:59 PM
Two of the most beautiful women I've ever met are my first cousins. Then there's THEIR first cousins on the other side of the family, no relation to me. The older one looks like Natalie Portman, only 25, and her sister the model looks like Milla Jovovitch, when she has brown hair. It was very hard not staring at my uncle's funeral last month!
 
2003-01-18 02:22:35 PM
On the Stern show the other day he had on sisters that are in the internet porn industry who get it on with each other. I think one of them is 19 and the other one is 24 and they have another sister that is 17 who wants to join them so they can all get it on together. That is just horrible.
 
2003-01-18 02:27:14 PM
Didn't Rudy G. marry his cousin, or are we not allowed to say bad things about Sir G any more?
 
2003-01-18 02:31:52 PM
In my genealogy research i have found a few of my relations back in the colonial and post colonial days who married first and second cousins, but then there weren't many other people around.
Seems like we all turned out okay, so far.
 
2003-01-18 02:32:47 PM
That is just horrible.

The only thing horrible is you not providing pictures.
 
2003-01-18 02:34:18 PM
I can't friggin believe what I'm reading! Don't poke your first cousins, people!

I don't care if she is hot. I don't care if the chances of having mutant kids hovers in the 2-3% range. It is NOT good for the gene pool. Have you seen the Royal Family lately? But from what I'm reading, IQ's are already in the dumps if you are seriously arguing to bone your first cousins.

In college, we had a vivarium where rats are housed for research. The offspring of the breeding pairs were tracked closely to ensure that interbreeding did not occur, because that could mess up the entire gene pool of the vivarium we had. And these were just rats!

If you can't find a girl that *isn't* your cousin, leave your house occasionally. You can do it! There is a hell of a lot of people that aren't your first cousins in this world.
 
2003-01-18 02:38:40 PM
Stoke
"No worse than homosexuality."

What the heck are you trying to say? That inbreeding is on par with a non-reproductive relationship? Or are you just a homophobe?
 
2003-01-18 02:42:16 PM
hah. i know several first cousins who have married and have children. those kids would be quite above average.. especially compared to farkers =)
 
2003-01-18 02:43:56 PM
That title is all wrong...

"Racist Minnesota politicians try to encourage Hmong and Somali people to inbreed in an attempt at genetic degradation of those peoples races over time. Acting as a long term, indirect form of genocide"
 
2003-01-18 02:48:51 PM
when i was in kindergarden i fell in love with my second cousin Donny, and we planned a big wedding. His stupid brother Gary told us that we couldn't get married cause we would go to jail and have two headed babies.
I was willing to take the risk, but Donny chickened out.
I guess it's not too late for us, but we both married other people it'd be hard to get rid of.
Damn.
 
2003-01-18 02:49:20 PM
you have to be from minnesota to understand, we are swarming with somalis and hmong, and many of the things they do don't exactly conform with things such as western morals and laws.

why they are cowtowing to that would probably just be reflected in the numbers of them living here, and hopes that they will vote in one of these sleezy politician's favor.
 
2003-01-18 02:54:27 PM
Three words: House of Windsor.
 
2003-01-18 03:09:23 PM
In MN, you might be able to marry your cousin, but not if your cousin is of the same sex...

Still waiting for my AFSCME contract to be ratified. Only thing holding it up is same sex partner benefits that 85 people in the whole entire state have claimed, yet the jackass in the governors mansion seems to have a problem with it. oh well, I am sure by next year I will be laid off anyway...

...but free to marry my cousin!
 
2003-01-18 03:44:40 PM
makes more sense than wanting man-butt.
 
2003-01-18 04:06:06 PM
There's an answer for people who think their cousins are real hot but don't want to take a chance on messed-up kids. Actually two answers- one is "Birth Control". The other is genetic screening.
 
2003-01-18 04:10:30 PM
There is a few great mental hospitals in minnesota. I bet the population is decreasing, so we have to make some more tards for the tard-guards.

One of my homies worked with high functioning violent females in a 'home'. they could really pack a punch.

The tards will hump almost anything, cousin or otherwise. Maybe the rest of us should follow suit.
 
2003-01-18 04:19:06 PM
"you have to be from minnesota to understand, we are swarming with somalis and hmong, and many of the things they do don't exactly conform with things such as western morals and laws."--Bad_CRC

I agree. These groups have their own values and traditions. However, the Somalis in particular, have readily adapted to the good ol' American "tradition" of whining and adopting a "victim" mentality.
 
2003-01-19 01:08:19 AM
Genetically speaking its not a good thing to start a line in your family tree of cousins mating...bad idea. Where the first couple of offspring may not seem to have too many problems the damage has been done. The recessive genes, bad and good are there and aren't going anywhere.

Not to mention that it is just plain icky.
 
2003-01-19 02:19:52 AM
Crotchrocket_Slim: Just saying, it's odd. Not trying to generalize all Republicans as inbreeding supporters. Well, except for maybe the loser Repubs we have in Minnesota.

Actually, it's members of the DFL who are pushing this bill, and the GOP folks there are making fun of it as the "hillbilly bill".

For once in a long time, I have to agree with the Republicans.
 
2003-01-19 02:32:07 AM
If you can't marry someone from outside of your family, you don't need anyone.
 
2003-01-19 02:33:38 AM
This whole story is just icky. Next thing, you'll see folks sitting in trees playing "Dueling banjos" up in Minnesota.
 
2003-01-19 08:14:21 AM
It is very hard to play a banjo while wearing a parka and heavy mittens.
 
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