It's a terrible missile. it suffered from premature detonation...


_{/Of course it's hot...}

Ha-Ha!

Russia is dumb and can't make anything work!

Russian missle touted


Heh - "missle-to".

10/10 use of fail tag, subby.

I used to follow russian submarines around while they were doing these kind of tests, so i am really getting a kick out of these replies.

Ha ha, you said 'penetration.'

"Russian news agencies said that Tuesday's test was the fifth failure out of 10 launches since 2004. During the last successful test in late November it hit test targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula, some 4,000 miles (5,500 kilometers) to the east of the launch site in less than 15 minutes after the launch."

Still, a 50% success rate is a bit scary. That's probably comparable if not better than the success rates of missile defense systems 4 years into testing.

16000 MPH?shiat.

sat1va: Still, a 50% success rate is a bit scary.

Anytime I can be blown up 50% is scary. Yes.

Projectile dysfunction?

sat1va: "Russian news agencies said that Tuesday's test was the fifth failure out of 10 launches since 2004. During the last successful test in late November it hit test targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula, some 4,000 miles (5,500 kilometers) to the east of the launch site in less than 15 minutes after the launch."

Still, a 50% success rate is a bit scary. That's probably comparable if not better than the success rates of missile defense systems 4 years into testing.

Your anus would like you to stop speaking out of it. We've covered this is many threads, many things have changed with the missile defense system, and it's now very accurate and very successful.

Gavino: 16000 MPH?shiat.

16000 mph average, not top speed. Assuming relatively constant acceleration, it probably reaches 30000 mph.

The average acceleration under those circumstances would be ~48 ft/s², or 50% greater than acceleration due to gravity at ground level.

Just for reference: pretty much every missile system the Soviets/Russians have built in the last three decades or so had the "we can beat your defenses" line tacked on to the press release. As did their tanks, planes, copters, et cetera.

sat1va: "Russian news agencies said that Tuesday's test was the fifth failure out of 10 launches since 2004. During the last successful test in late November it hit test targets on the Kamchatka Peninsula, some 4,000 miles (5,500 kilometers) to the east of the launch site in less than 15 minutes after the launch."

Still, a 50% success rate is a bit scary. That's probably comparable if not better than the success rates of missile defense systems 4 years into testing.

That's a 50% chance it would hit its target with no interference though. Which is not that good. The anti-missile missiles failed to hit their moving targets. This thing failed to hit a stationary one, unless I misunderstood the article.

But that aside, nuclear missiles are scary. They only need a few to work to be wildly sucessful. I don't know why the poland missile defense shield is such an issue to them, unless it actually protects the US too.

Who cares if poland survives a first strike, it's not like there will be enough of the world left to matter.

Butter Battle Book anyone?

studleystudstutterson: Gavino: 16000 MPH?shiat.

16000 mph average, not top speed. Assuming relatively constant acceleration, it probably reaches 30000 mph.

The average acceleration under those circumstances would be ~48 ft/s2, or 50% greater than acceleration due to gravity at ground level.

You mean it takes time to accelerate? No farkin way.

I took us a while to get those right too.

They're trying to rip off our Polaris program in under a year.

Good luck with that.

studebaker hoch: They're trying to rip off our Polaris program in under a year.

Good luck with that.

They ripped off our nuclear bomb design in 2 years. They are more than capable of doing it. Whether or not it works correctly is another matter.

It is fun to see Russia and Putin trying to be tough with oil prices so low. They have nothing without that.

DeathByGeekSquad:
Your anus would like you to stop speaking out of it. We've covered this is many threads, many things have changed with the missile defense system, and it's now very accurate and very successful.

My anus wasn't present for the bulk of those discussions. Furthermore, my anus only made the second sentence, which should be obvious from the way it was blurted.

However, in an effort to educate my ass after your response, the articles I was able to locate indicated that within the first 4 years of testing, the success rate of the US missile defense system was basically what my anus had squeeked out in my post.

Regardless of that, your penis would like you to know that it's size will not grow or shrink based on the success rate of a missile defense system. That is unless the system fails in a time of need and you and your penis are vaporized along with the rest of us.

meh....I think we have it covered

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sat1va: However, in an effort to educate my ass after your response, the articles I was able to locate indicated that within the first 4 years of testing, the success rate of the US missile defense system was basically what my anus had squeeked out in my post.

1. missile defense, i.e. hitting a missile with a missile, is significantly harder than a regular missile hitting a large, stationary ground target.

2. 4 yrs testing - 75% fail for the first 2 yrs, 25% fail in the second 2 yrs. 50% fail rate.
Not saying those exact numbers are accurate, but you get the idea. Or do you postulate that it isn't getting better/more accurate/more reliable?

They haven't failed. They've just found five ways that don't work.

/Wise man was wise.

johnny_vegas: meh....I think we have it covered

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The problem is that there's so much bureaucracy , the missiles would easily overfly before the commander would have a chance to fire countermeasures.

Any missile shield designed can be beaten for pennies on the dollar. So enjoy your impossible math. You build a 100 million dollar upgrade to your missile defense and it's beaten with an 8 million dollar decoy/payload obfuscation device and so on until you go broke. Oh wait. Until you go SO broke that people stop lending you money to go broker.

dkimball: johnny_vegas: meh....I think we have it covered

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The problem is that there's so much bureaucracy , the missiles would easily overfly before the commander would have a chance to fire countermeasures.

hmmm...that is a very astute concern. I can tell you that is acknowledged and has been/is being addressed, so it will probably not be an issue.

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: Projectile dysfunction?

I'm a technician!

I say bullshiat.

15 minutes to travel 5500 miles? Ground to outer atmosphere to ground again?

Bullshiat. Not in 15 minutes, try more like 30. Maybe more..

It takes 5 minutes for the Space Shuttle to completely disappear. I watched several missile launches from Vandenburg AFB and you just can't get into outerspace much faster. Try to come back in at 14,000mph..

What happens? Lot's of butthurt.

Is it possible to do what they claim.? Probably not.
14000/60=233.333333 miles/minute.
5500/233.333333 = 23.571 minutes in outer space, alone.
So, 5 up, 5 down, 23 in space makes me pretty damn well right.

Fricken liars.
Show me a nuclear tipped ICBM that actually goes faster than 14,000. (I don't mean terminal speed)

P.S. In outerspace the distances between are vastly greater than on land.

Russia doesn't need missiles to wipe out America. Its all a facade to hide the real invasion. They are going to move Russia to America's border, and just start coming across and taking all of the jobs. Now you should be worried! Ha!

you know how iran solves that problem?



volume!

On Sharks Baby...

ActionJoe

They ripped off our nuclear bomb design in 2 years

They bought the plans for that one. Hopefully some asshat won't sell us out this time.

YouPeopleAreCrazy:
1. missile defense, i.e. hitting a missile with a missile, is significantly harder than a regular missile hitting a large, stationary ground target.

2. 4 yrs testing - 75% fail for the first 2 yrs, 25% fail in the second 2 yrs. 50% fail rate.
Not saying those exact numbers are accurate, but you get the idea. Or do you postulate that it isn't getting better/more accurate/more reliable?

I'm not postulating anything. I'm simply supporting my initial estimate in this thread after someone said I was talking out of my ass. Feel free to scroll up and read it. My intention was aimed more at those who would scoff at the Russian system due to it's recent failures. Of course development on systems improves over time. This one I would expect to be no different.

I'm a mechanical engineer, I have a firm understanding of the complexities involved in intercepting a missile as compared to striking a stationary object. Still, that disparity in complexity, along with the burden being on the defense system to be essentially 100% successful doesn't lend any of this to be a good situation in the future should the intention to nuke the US come to fruition.

In my opinion, I think both nations are wasting an incredible amount of money, with the scales tipped way on the US side. If some entity is going to nuke the US, I doubt it's going to be in the form of an ICBM that would be immediately traceble to the culprit nation.

Well, you could always use the number 14-St. Joseph-the-somewhat- divine-on-the-hill ballistic missile. It's in the attic.

USA and Russia should just ally against everyone else. The rest of the world sucks anyway.

I don't like this, but if we have stuff I guess it only makes sense that others would, too. I hate it when my enemies in Civilization get the tech I have, but that doesn't make it wrong.

burndtdan: you know how iran solves that problem?

You got me. I loled!

New Russian missile fails a 5th test



"And just think, in thirty years I can retire!"

burndtdan: you know how iran solves that problem?



volume!

Bravo, good sir!

This is what happens when you buy a knockoff Bulova.

I remember someone describing soviet journalism in the following way;

If there was a race between Russia and the U.S.A, and the US won, the Russian papers would announce that The Motherland had achieved second place, while the US came in next to last.

sat1va: Still, that disparity in complexity, along with the burden being on the defense system to be essentially 100% successful doesn't lend any of this to be a good situation in the future should the intention to nuke the US come to fruition.

This is true. But if that dark day were to ever come, and (for whatever reason) the US military did not stop that missile in flight, the screeching from the american public would be loud and long.
"WHAT? Isn't that what we pay you people for!?! You're supposed to stop this kind of crap! You didn't even try??"
(obviously not realizing the awesome physics of the whole thing)

/eventually, a reliable, accurate ABM system will be built and fielded
//and then scaled down for short range missiles...HAMAS v Israel, for instance

GuidoDelConfuso: New Russian missile fails a 5th test

"And just think, in thirty years I can retire!"

You are awesome.

burndtdan: you know how iran solves that problem?



volume!

What?