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(Yahoo)   IT guru turned whistleblower Michael Connell had to abandon at least two flights in the past two months because of suspicious problems with his plane, had demanded federal protection but was turned down   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2008-12-21 03:36:09 PM  

FightDirector: Weaver95: The Ordos believe he's been upgraded with either a Sarcosian Wave Generator or something from the Halo Stars. Dosen't really matter I suppose since he's been declared Excmmunicate Traitoris, threat level Hereticus Extremus. Capture for trial or termination at the discretion of the capture team.

/obscure
+++End Transmisson+++

=][=

/not at all obscure, mon ami
//Thought for the day: Hope for the future makes you weak
///Also, I hate conspiracy theories, but if a national news site picks this one up, I'll have to start giving it credence...


if you haven't already checked it out, I strongly recommend Dark Heresy. Warhammer 40k roleplaying game system and you work for one of the Inquisitorial orders (Xenos, Hereticus or Malleus).

Personally, I don't run a game based on the Ordo Malleus. that's just horrifically cruel to your players. It took me 3 months to work a group up to the point where they saw their first minor daemon and it damn near wiped the floor with 'em.
 
2008-12-21 03:36:18 PM  
michael Connell was flying a Piper Saratoga, PA32, it is has no facilities to de-ice the wings.

thankfully he was flying solo, someone that careless to be flying an airplane that will certainly crash in the conditions he was flying should never have a passenger.

icing is very very serious, you will crash when your lift is gone.
 
2008-12-21 03:36:39 PM  

Weaver95: bmasso: What kind of idiot (supposedly) keeps flying small planes as transport if he (supposedly) believes that (supposedly) at least two prior flights had to be canceled when he (supposedly) found (supposed) sabotage?

So that's the mantra? 'he was stupid and thus deserved it'?


He bought his ticket, he knew what he was getting into. I say, let 'em crash.
 
2008-12-21 03:38:36 PM  
jeffwashingdc: He was only scared because he was a paranoid truther who read a lot of internets.

Shiat, I'd better stay off small planes too. I not only read the internets, I have a copy on my hard drives.
 
2008-12-21 03:39:19 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: OK, as someone with more than just a passing interest in aviation, and just a few years experience in maintenance and operations, I would love to know what the two purported "suspicious problems" were. It has also been established that there were icing conditions the night of the crash. I think some people need to unscrew the helmets just a bit and let some air and light in.


The first time someone strapped a bomb to the landing gear, but the oversized, novelty alarm clock gave it away.

The second time someone changed all the presets on his stereo.

Evil, I tell you.
 
2008-12-21 03:40:00 PM  

HowlingFrog:
I'm pretty sure that Satan is scared that Cheney would replace him.

/or at least shoot him in the face


Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I fear no evil
Because I'm the meanest son of a biatch in the valley.

homepage.mac.com

/you already won an internet from someone else or i would give you one, too
 
2008-12-21 03:40:54 PM  

HowlingFrog: jeffwashingdc: He was only scared because he was a paranoid truther who read a lot of internets.

Shiat, I'd better stay off small planes too. I not only read the internets, I have a copy on my hard drives.


*A* copy on *ONE* hard drive? duuude. you fail as a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
 
2008-12-21 03:41:53 PM  
I usually try to avoid trolling but this thread is full of fail. The moonbattery is so thick, you can taste it.

Karl Rove, a murderer. You guys give the guy too much credit. He's got about as much attention being paid to him as Blago. Give it a rest, Obama won, Bush is gone in a few weeks. It's over!
 
2008-12-21 03:43:08 PM  
Weaver95: *A* copy on *ONE* hard drive? duuude. you fail as a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

TWO drives.

/and it's TARred and Gzipped
 
2008-12-21 03:43:48 PM  

DocsInOKC: I usually try to avoid trolling but this thread is full of fail. The moonbattery is so thick, you can taste it.

Karl Rove, a murderer. You guys give the guy too much credit. He's got about as much attention being paid to him as Blago. Give it a rest, Obama won, Bush is gone in a few weeks. It's over!


I felt the same way when the Zodiac Killer quit killing.

Who needs to know what really happened or bring anyone to justice? After all, it is over.
 
2008-12-21 03:44:19 PM  
mr_bunny:

The first time someone strapped a bomb to the landing gear, but the oversized, novelty alarm clock gave it away.

The second time someone changed all the presets on his stereo.

Evil, I tell you.

As often as the stations around here change format it could have just been that 4 of his 5 presets swictched format since he last flew the plane... just sayin...
 
2008-12-21 03:45:10 PM  
DocsInOKC: The moonbattery is so thick, you can taste it.

Is that what Moonpies are made of?
 
2008-12-21 03:47:20 PM  
I don't believe it. Why would someone who thinks his plane is being tampered with get on the farking plane and fly it anyway? This is such BS.
 
2008-12-21 03:47:20 PM  

HowlingFrog: Weaver95: *A* copy on *ONE* hard drive? duuude. you fail as a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

TWO drives.

/and it's TARred and Gzipped


pfft! A true paranoid would have several copies (incrimental and full weekly hot backups) encrypted and saved to three different drives.
 
2008-12-21 03:47:29 PM  

HowlingFrog: DocsInOKC: The moonbattery is so thick, you can taste it.

Is that what Moonpies are made of?



No, you pour RC Cola into the center of a Moonpie to make a Moonpie battery.
 
2008-12-21 03:48:04 PM  

hyperspacemonkey: I don't believe it. Why would someone who thinks his plane is being tampered with get on the farking plane and fly it anyway? This is such BS.


Beat that drum louder!
 
2008-12-21 03:48:34 PM  
Kind of strange that this story hasn't been mentioned once on the Drudge Report. Guess he's still celebrating from hearing that this guy died and won't testify.
 
2008-12-21 03:49:28 PM  

ninjakirby: Weaver95: bmasso: What kind of idiot (supposedly) keeps flying small planes as transport if he (supposedly) believes that (supposedly) at least two prior flights had to be canceled when he (supposedly) found (supposed) sabotage?

So that's the mantra? 'he was stupid and thus deserved it'?

He bought his ticket, he knew what he was getting into. I say, let 'em crash.


Neither, guys.
I'm saying that the proposed story-line would get a big fat "F" if turned in as a creative writing assignment. Like most Truther fantasies, it lacks a certain something...., garlic?... no..... fennel?...... no...... I KNOW!!!....... It needs a pinch of common sense.

Put in more everyday terms - if you think your spouse keeps cutting the brake lines on your car you would normally DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of keeping on as normal and keep driving. File a police report (FAA report?), take public transport, remove any incentive for your removal, do SOMETHING!!!

This guy didn't act like he thought he was in danger.
You can only conclude from that that the whole conjecture is (most likely) as bogus as the usual Truther chain of conspiracy theory.
 
2008-12-21 03:50:57 PM  

cchris_39: Maybe it was time to fly commercial for a little while?


Possibly. On the other hand, it might have just upped the body count.

Take the train.
 
2008-12-21 03:51:04 PM  

Weaver95: if you haven't already checked it out, I strongly recommend Dark Heresy. Warhammer 40k roleplaying game system and you work for one of the Inquisitorial orders (Xenos, Hereticus or Malleus).

Personally, I don't run a game based on the Ordo Malleus. that's just horrifically cruel to your players. It took me 3 months to work a group up to the point where they saw their first minor daemon and it damn near wiped the floor with 'em.


Eh, my first game was with them assigned to Ordo Hereticus, with the big bad of the game actually being their own Inquisitor - who had them running in circles to implicate other Inquisitors who were in turn investigating him for Heretical activity. About 3 months into the game they finally came to the realization of what was going on, and the look of dawning horror and comprehension that cast a pall over their faces was a joy to behold.

"We...we were used?! You bastard! [pause] Okay guys, what the hell do we do now?"

Ah, something to warm the cockles of a GM's heart at Christmas...

/hates GW
//loves me some Dark Heresy
///clearly, there's a reason your posts show up on my screen in a pleasing blue tone - a man of class and breeding you are
 
2008-12-21 03:51:07 PM  
Weaver95: pfft! A true paranoid would have several copies (incrimental and full weekly hot backups) encrypted and saved to three different drives.

You're right. I'll have to get to work on that.

/fail
 
2008-12-21 03:52:43 PM  
bmasso: I KNOW!!!....... It needs a pinch of common sense.

Einstein once defined "common sense" as all of the prejudices that a person has gathered by the age of eighteen.
 
2008-12-21 03:53:02 PM  
That article seemed...odd.

It readspoke as though it was proven fact that the 2000 and 2004 elections were rigged. It almost read as if the "revolution" organization had written the article. Very odd.
 
2008-12-21 03:53:38 PM  

Braindeath: Can't we just toss some holy water in Cheney's drink and get it over with?


nice!
 
2008-12-21 03:53:57 PM  

bmasso: ninjakirby: Weaver95: bmasso: What kind of idiot (supposedly) keeps flying small planes as transport if he (supposedly) believes that (supposedly) at least two prior flights had to be canceled when he (supposedly) found (supposed) sabotage?

So that's the mantra? 'he was stupid and thus deserved it'?

He bought his ticket, he knew what he was getting into. I say, let 'em crash.

Neither, guys.
I'm saying that the proposed story-line would get a big fat "F" if turned in as a creative writing assignment. Like most Truther fantasies, it lacks a certain something...., garlic?... no..... fennel?...... no...... I KNOW!!!....... It needs a pinch of common sense.

Put in more everyday terms - if you think your spouse keeps cutting the brake lines on your car you would normally DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of keeping on as normal and keep driving. File a police report (FAA report?), take public transport, remove any incentive for your removal, do SOMETHING!!!

This guy didn't act like he thought he was in danger.
You can only conclude from that that the whole conjecture is (most likely) as bogus as the usual Truther chain of conspiracy theory.


So clearly this shouldn't be investigated. At all. After all, Rove and the people he works with are all pure, innocent lambs.
 
2008-12-21 03:55:37 PM  

mr_bunny: The first time someone strapped a bomb to the landing gear, but the oversized, novelty alarm clock gave it away.

The second time someone changed all the presets on his stereo.

Evil, I tell you.


Strapped to the landing gear you say? I blame this on the Axle of Evil!
 
2008-12-21 03:57:24 PM  

The Only Good Moran: So clearly this shouldn't be investigated. At all. After all, Rove and the people he works with are all pure, innocent lambs.


All aircraft accidents are investigated by the NTSB. Without exception.
 
2008-12-21 03:58:08 PM  

Weaver95: HowlingFrog: Weaver95: *A* copy on *ONE* hard drive? duuude. you fail as a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

TWO drives.

/and it's TARred and Gzipped

pfft! A true paranoid would have several copies (incrimental and full weekly hot backups) encrypted and saved to three different drives.


Exactly. Think about it. You have information and you want to protect both yourself and the information. What do you do?

You give it someone else and let everyone you're fearful of know that if anything happens to you, the other person will get the info to the authorities,

It's "Oh crap, they're going to kill me!" 101.
 
2008-12-21 03:59:41 PM  

The Only Good Moran: bmasso: ninjakirby: Weaver95: bmasso: What kind of idiot (supposedly) keeps flying small planes as transport if he (supposedly) believes that (supposedly) at least two prior flights had to be canceled when he (supposedly) found (supposed) sabotage?

So that's the mantra? 'he was stupid and thus deserved it'?

He bought his ticket, he knew what he was getting into. I say, let 'em crash.

Neither, guys.
I'm saying that the proposed story-line would get a big fat "F" if turned in as a creative writing assignment. Like most Truther fantasies, it lacks a certain something...., garlic?... no..... fennel?...... no...... I KNOW!!!....... It needs a pinch of common sense.

Put in more everyday terms - if you think your spouse keeps cutting the brake lines on your car you would normally DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of keeping on as normal and keep driving. File a police report (FAA report?), take public transport, remove any incentive for your removal, do SOMETHING!!!

This guy didn't act like he thought he was in danger.
You can only conclude from that that the whole conjecture is (most likely) as bogus as the usual Truther chain of conspiracy theory.

So clearly this shouldn't be investigated. At all. After all, Rove and the people he works with are all pure, innocent lambs.


Yea, spend a few million on an investigation.

May as well just copy the conclusions from Ruby Ridge and Waco, change the names, don't prosecute anyone, and move on.
 
2008-12-21 04:00:28 PM  
yes, sure, the 9/11 commission was a whitewash because sooo many people "warned" that 4 planes were going to be hijacked. The best you can say is that we knew something was going to happen, just like we know something is STILL going to happen in the US, someday.

Nobody predicted anything on 9/11, nobody "warned" of anything, nobody "knew" anything.

Same here. If this guy KNEW his plane was being sabotaged, and deliberately ended 2 other flights, then why the hell did he fly it this time? Doesn't make sense. And Rove "threatened" him? WTF? Rove is no dummy. He'd never threaten someone directly, that would be too obvious.

Too many easy conspiracy tin foil BS items here.

Because, of course, the Clintons had about 20 people killed and THAT was whitewashed too. Right, right? I've seen the list and the suspicious stuff surrounding all those deaths.

This conspiracy crap makes my head hurt...people need to go take a pill.
 
2008-12-21 04:00:54 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: mr_bunny: The first time someone strapped a bomb to the landing gear, but the oversized, novelty alarm clock gave it away.

The second time someone changed all the presets on his stereo.

Evil, I tell you.

Strapped to the landing gear you say? I blame this on the Axle of Evil!


I know, but there are people in this thread who actually think it shouldn't be, sadly, for the very reason I posted.
 
2008-12-21 04:01:02 PM  

HowlingFrog: Is that what Moonpies are made of?


There's a reason I don't eat those things.

/Soylent green is people
 
2008-12-21 04:02:12 PM  

Nocens: The Only Good Moran: bmasso: ninjakirby: Weaver95: bmasso: What kind of idiot (supposedly) keeps flying small planes as transport if he (supposedly) believes that (supposedly) at least two prior flights had to be canceled when he (supposedly) found (supposed) sabotage?

So that's the mantra? 'he was stupid and thus deserved it'?

He bought his ticket, he knew what he was getting into. I say, let 'em crash.

Neither, guys.
I'm saying that the proposed story-line would get a big fat "F" if turned in as a creative writing assignment. Like most Truther fantasies, it lacks a certain something...., garlic?... no..... fennel?...... no...... I KNOW!!!....... It needs a pinch of common sense.

Put in more everyday terms - if you think your spouse keeps cutting the brake lines on your car you would normally DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of keeping on as normal and keep driving. File a police report (FAA report?), take public transport, remove any incentive for your removal, do SOMETHING!!!

This guy didn't act like he thought he was in danger.
You can only conclude from that that the whole conjecture is (most likely) as bogus as the usual Truther chain of conspiracy theory.

So clearly this shouldn't be investigated. At all. After all, Rove and the people he works with are all pure, innocent lambs.

Yea, spend a few million on an investigation.

May as well just copy the conclusions from Ruby Ridge and Waco, change the names, don't prosecute anyone, and move on.


Further proof, as I was responding no less.
 
2008-12-21 04:02:16 PM  
Its a pity if Cheney had to kill him ... good hired help is *soo* hard to find.
 
2008-12-21 04:03:25 PM  

HowlingFrog: Weaver95: *A* copy on *ONE* hard drive? duuude. you fail as a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

TWO drives.

/and it's TARred and Gzipped


Tarred and gzipped you say? If you were really serious, you'd encrypt it with ROT13. ;)


/tar zxvf secret.stuff.tar.gz; cat secret.stuff | caesar
//Lbh unir abguvat gb ybfr ohg lbhe yhapu.
 
2008-12-21 04:04:34 PM  

Bucky Katt: Braindeath: Can't we just toss some holy water in Cheney's drink and get it over with?

nice!


Dunno, I'm pretty sure that the resulting explosion would devastate the entire western hemisphere.
 
2008-12-21 04:05:21 PM  
What a selfish guy! He should have flown commercial, like the auto executives. Then when he's assinated, 400 other people die to cover it up.
 
2008-12-21 04:06:36 PM  

FightDirector: Eh, my first game was with them assigned to Ordo Hereticus, with the big bad of the game actually being their own Inquisitor - who had them running in circles to implicate other Inquisitors who were in turn investigating him for Heretical activity. About 3 months into the game they finally came to the realization of what was going on, and the look of dawning horror and comprehension that cast a pall over their faces was a joy to behold.

"We...we were used?! You bastard! [pause] Okay guys, what the hell do we do now?"

Ah, something to warm the cockles of a GM's heart at Christmas...

/hates GW
//loves me some Dark Heresy
///clearly, there's a reason your posts show up on my screen in a pleasing blue tone - a man of class and breeding you are


My intro game to my players was along the lines of 'say, why don't you chaps nip on down to the underhive and check out these crazy Arbite stories about cult activites! i'm sure it's nothing!'

you can imagine how things turned out....
 
2008-12-21 04:06:48 PM  
I hope this guy has some notarized documents and testaments hidden in his house somewhere that, upon his death, will get released.
 
2008-12-21 04:08:29 PM  
Just talked to my dad about this (private pilot with about 3000 flight hours), and his take was that it does look suspicious (insofar as he attempted to enter the Witness Protection Program and was denied, and with the downchecking of previous flights in a short timespan).

However, it's "entirely likely" that he simply didn't check for condensation inside the tanks during his preflight - the abrupt temperature shifts recently are precisely the type of situation in which water will build up in the tanks. If he just checked the fuel levels, instead of explicitly looking for water mixed in with the fuel (which is evidently not an uncommon step to skip during preflight), the tanks would have looked full, but actually could have had 20% or less of a full fuel load - the rest being water.

There's a WHOLE LOT of "suspicious circumstances" about it, and the timing doesn't help. But there very definitely is an explanation that doesn't involve a murderous government. Well, more murderous than normal anyway. I'm NOT SAYING that Rove/Cheney/Bush didn't have him killed. But without more information, there's certainly reasonable doubt. Coincidence isn't proof.
 
2008-12-21 04:08:33 PM  
spickus: Tarred and gzipped you say? If you were really serious, you'd encrypt it with ROT13. ;)

I laffed :D
 
2008-12-21 04:09:30 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: I hope this guy has some notarized documents and testaments hidden in his house somewhere that, upon his death, will get released.


his house is scheduled to burn down next week. someone is going to accidentially run over his widow with a hearse at his funeral. And his dog? put into a PETA 'kill 'em all' shelter.
 
2008-12-21 04:09:50 PM  
What a load of crap. VR's company car has to be a tinfoil short bus. My goodness, this is about as credible as 'my cousin steve's girlfriend gets her hair cut by a girl who is dating the equipment manager of the Redskins and she said Jim Zorn got fired last night.."
 
2008-12-21 04:09:54 PM  

FightDirector: the tanks would have looked full, but actually could have had 20% or less of a full fuel load - the rest being water.


That sounds like an awful lot, are you sure?
 
2008-12-21 04:11:05 PM  

spickus: FightDirector: the tanks would have looked full, but actually could have had 20% or less of a full fuel load - the rest being water.

That sounds like an awful lot, are you sure?


that's a worst case scenario, but yeah - it can get bad if condensation buildup happens in your tanks.
 
2008-12-21 04:11:22 PM  

The Only Good Moran: So clearly this shouldn't be investigated. At all. After all, Rove and the people he works with are all pure, innocent lambs.


Every plane crash IS investigated. By the FAA.
Of course, since these are the same folks the Truthers believe faked the evidence of plane crashes on 9/11 to help the Illuminati with their plans to Control The World, the Truthers won't be satisfied until...... never.
 
2008-12-21 04:12:15 PM  

Weaver95: Britney Spear's Speculum: I hope this guy has some notarized documents and testaments hidden in his house somewhere that, upon his death, will get released.

his house is scheduled to burn down next week. someone is going to accidentially run over his widow with a hearse at his funeral. And his dog? put into a PETA 'kill 'em all' shelter.


He will buried in an unmarked grave and salt plowed into his lands.

/Am I doing it right?
 
2008-12-21 04:12:52 PM  

Weaver95: Britney Spear's Speculum: I hope this guy has some notarized documents and testaments hidden in his house somewhere that, upon his death, will get released.

his house is scheduled to burn down next week. someone is going to accidentially run over his widow with a hearse at his funeral. And his dog? put into a PETA 'kill 'em all' shelter.


Maybe his secret butt-buddy has some information. He was republican.
 
2008-12-21 04:12:58 PM  
tomatoboy: It readspoke as though it was proven fact that the 2000 and 2004 elections were rigged. It almost read as if the "revolution" organization had written the article. Very odd.

You noticed that too?
 
2008-12-21 04:15:14 PM  

spickus: FightDirector: the tanks would have looked full, but actually could have had 20% or less of a full fuel load - the rest being water.

That sounds like an awful lot, are you sure?


That's what I was told - and I have no reason to think that an experienced pilot who has no reason whatsoever to lie about this is going to lie to me.

I figure it's plausible. Me and my whole 72 flight hours certainly have an opinion that matter. [/sarcasm]

/anyone submitted this to MythBusters yet?
 
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