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(Some Guy)   Rachael Ray writes recipe for dog magazine to promote her new line of dog food; magazine has to pull it when they realize it includes onions, which can be fatal to dogs (w/ pic - Ray is the one on the left)   (ohmidog.com ) divider line
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2008-12-19 11:55:46 AM  
volfan, that looks like a remake of "Carrie" set in a cooking school.
 
2008-12-19 11:57:15 AM  

Lumber Jack Off: In other news, many people apparently do not know that giving onions to dogs and cats is toxic.

/thought this was common sense like the whole not giving them chocolate thingy.
//of course if a they have a little bit of either it's fine, just don't give them a whole lot.


Just like you can have a little bit of arsenic. Little rat poison with that?
 
2008-12-19 11:57:51 AM  
Headline is full of fail. Until the last sentence. Then, not so much.

Oh, and Giada looks like something that my dog would crap up after eating said onion.
 
2008-12-19 11:57:56 AM  
volfan:

They have "Feminine Hygiene" products for problems like that...
 
2008-12-19 11:58:44 AM  
Oh and to put that in perspective - thats the equivalent of giving a labrador 6 1/2 to 8 1/2 yellow onions per day.

What moron does that?
 
2008-12-19 11:59:32 AM  
img152.imageshack.us

Looks like she's in blood
 
2008-12-19 11:59:57 AM  

me texan: Oh and to put that in perspective - thats the equivalent of giving a labrador 6 1/2 to 8 1/2 yellow onions per day.

What moron does that?


One who wants to screw it in front of a day care?

/Sorry Jim ;)
 
2008-12-19 12:00:51 PM  
"Complain all you want. It's like railing against the pounding surf. She only grows stronger and more powerful. Her ear-shattering tones louder and louder. We KNOW she can't cook. She shrewdly tells us so. So...what is she selling us? Really? She's selling us satisfaction, the smug reassurance that mediocrity is quite enough. She's a friendly, familiar face who appears regularly on our screens to tell us that "Even your dumb, lazy ass can cook this!" Wallowing in your own crapulence on your Cheeto-littered couch you watch her and think, "Hell...I could do that. I ain't gonna...but I could--if I wanted! Now where's my damn jug a Diet Pepsi?" Where the saintly Julia Child sought to raise expectations, to enlighten us, make us better--teach us--and in fact, did, Rachael uses her strange and terrible powers to narcotize her public with her hypnotic mantra of Yummo and Evoo and Sammys. "You're doing just fine. You don't even have to chop an onion--you can buy it already chopped. Aspire to nothing...Just sit there. Have another Triscuit..Sleep...sleep..."-Anthony Bourdain on Rachael Ray

Yep. Pretty much sums it up.
 
2008-12-19 12:02:43 PM  

me texan: And yet, no where in the AVMA's literature do you find anything about onions harming dogs...

More animal folklore brought to you by the nanny internet.


Here ya go: http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/protect_your_pet_from_common_househo​ld_dangers /index.html
From SPCA; or just search pets and onions.
 
2008-12-19 12:07:37 PM  

CleverGuy81: Stryyder: GIada is so much better....

except for the big-forehead italian girl thing.

(i'm italian)
(but not a girl)
(also, aren't her knees kinda sharp?)

Background

Both are of Italian ancestry. Ray exhibits the traits often found in many of the Ital-Americans that immigrated from low-rent tribes in the trashy regions of Sicily and Calabria. She is also kind of squat and thick as some of these types can be. While Giada looks more like she belongs in a piece of Etruscan art than a cooking show. She is obviously of high quality stock.

Education

Like I said, Giada is one classy broad. She has a degree in Social Anthropology and then also studied cooking at Le Cordon Bleu in Paris. Ray on the other hand, got her education at the malls of upstate NY. She majored in Shopping and minored in Gossip. She learned to cook in her parents restaurant when she wasn't fooling around with the busboys in the back alley.

Style and Specialties

Ray is known for putting together quick meals that can be thrown together in 30 minutes. Giada takes her sweet ass time and creates a sensual, sultry cooking experience.

Advantages, Disadvantages, Pros and Cons

-Rachel Ray has the big boost from the Empress Oprah. The Oprah (with her under lord, Doc. Phil) cornered Rachel and told her join and take her place at her side in her production company (on weekdays at 10AM on ABC). Ray quickly accepted the offer.

-Giada has no Oprah endorsement. She didn't give in and join the Oprah, even when she was told that if she didn't join, perhaps Rachel will.

-Rachel Ray is moderately attractive and she keeps on that extra 10 pounds that so many women are struggling to lose. This makes her likeable to millions of women. However, this may cause her to lose a little of the middle-aged husband lust appeal as any reasonable man can tell he'd need genitals the size of a coffee thermos to penetrate her ultra thick ass and thighs.

-Giada is blessed with great genetics. Most people can never look like that, never mind looking like that and eat chocolate daily. This may alienate many female viewers, the majority of the audience.


You forgot one: Giada is Dino De Laurentis's granddaughter and can do any damn thing she wants in the entertainment industry.
 
2008-12-19 12:08:37 PM  

entropic_existence: me texan: Yep, thats not the AMA either. There's not a single study quoted by them that outlines onion toxicity either.

An experimental study of hemolysis induced by onion (Allium cepa) poisoning in dogs. Tang, X., Xia, Z., Yu, J. (2008) J. Vet. Pharmacol. Ther. 31(2): 143-9


Have my sexy, sexy, science babies.
 
2008-12-19 12:09:54 PM  

Ed Finnerty: She creeps me out beyond words. She looks like someone who would bite your cock off during a BJ.


I'm going with "embeds a meat cleaver in your chest as she rides you hard", myself, but whatever floats your boat.
 
2008-12-19 12:10:28 PM  

PanicAttack: "Complain all you want. It's like railing against the pounding surf. She only grows stronger and more powerful. Her ear-shattering tones louder and louder. We KNOW she can't cook. She shrewdly tells us so. So...what is she selling us? Really? She's selling us satisfaction, the smug reassurance that mediocrity is quite enough. She's a friendly, familiar face who appears regularly on our screens to tell us that "Even your dumb, lazy ass can cook this!" Wallowing in your own crapulence on your Cheeto-littered couch you watch her and think, "Hell...I could do that. I ain't gonna...but I could--if I wanted! Now where's my damn jug a Diet Pepsi?" Where the saintly Julia Child sought to raise expectations, to enlighten us, make us better--teach us--and in fact, did, Rachael uses her strange and terrible powers to narcotize her public with her hypnotic mantra of Yummo and Evoo and Sammys. "You're doing just fine. You don't even have to chop an onion--you can buy it already chopped. Aspire to nothing...Just sit there. Have another Triscuit..Sleep...sleep..."-Anthony Bourdain on Rachael Ray


That. Is. Awesome.
 
2008-12-19 12:13:33 PM  

St_Francis_P: Dogs and onions, etc. (new window)


Broccoli toxicity??? (new window)

www.mgroves.com

That explains much.
 
2008-12-19 12:14:00 PM  
Giada needs to pose already and get it over with. Seriously... pose now while people still give a damn. Soon enough she'll be like Emeril on a lesser network and all the bewb-dangle in the world won't bring her back. Strike now while the iron is hot and make it hotter by posing buck-a$$-bewbs-out nekkid!!!

Rachel... I so would and you would too so don't even try to lie your way out of it.
 
2008-12-19 12:14:08 PM  

Stryyder: Ray exhibits the traits often found in many of the Ital-Americans that immigrated from low-rent tribes in the trashy regions of Sicily and Calabria. She is also kind of squat and thick as some of these types can be. While Giada looks more like she belongs in a piece of Etruscan art than a cooking show. She is obviously of high quality stock.


Yeah, damn those dusky southern Italians gorillas. I mean, they're practically Arabs amirite? *shudder* The proper Aryan bloodlines have been diluted by savage Africanized invaders raping and pillaging the purer, noble stock. If only someone could come along with a final solution to this problem.
 
2008-12-19 12:14:13 PM  
1. Dogs are Omnivores. (Cats are carnivores)
2. Your 30 lb dog cannot shotgun beer like your 180 lb self can.
3. Gum with Xylitol is toxic to your dog. (Orbit, Trident, Stride)

May seem like no-brainers but people seem to think its hilarious to get their pets "drunk". Just the other day some guy was telling me how cool and smart his dog was because it can chew gum.

Uh, why not just feed your dog food made for, um, dogs. If you feel like doing something nice for him take him on a car ride and a nice long walk.
 
2008-12-19 12:17:00 PM  

Whatthefark: Anything that isn't meat is filler to a dog.


Not so. Canines are omnivores, unlike felines, which are obligate carnivores. Their digestive tract can process vegetable matter and grain. They often eat and obtain nutrition from the stomach and intestine contents of their prey.

Unless you mean from the perspective of the dog. If you ask a dog, yes, everything should be meat.
 
2008-12-19 12:17:15 PM  
For many of the folks who say "I feed my dog onions and nothing bad happened!", consider that you could probably run across the highway naked and with a bag over your head...perhaps repeatedly...with nothing bad ever happening.

Anecdotal data, even though 'anecdotal' has a d, a, t, and even another a in it.
 
2008-12-19 12:17:20 PM  

bidness: Yeah, damn those dusky southern Italians gorillas. I mean, they're practically Arabs amirite? *shudder* The proper Aryan bloodlines have been diluted by savage Africanized invaders raping and pillaging the purer, noble stock. If only someone could come along with a final solution to this problem.


You know who it was.... the damn Moors

image.guardian.co.uk
 
2008-12-19 12:19:39 PM  
images.eonline.com

/They are starting to look alike if you ask me.....
 
2008-12-19 12:20:25 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: You know who it was.... the damn Moors


'Cause you, you're part eggplant.
 
2008-12-19 12:22:14 PM  

Stryyder: Giada is blessed with great genetics. Most people can never look like that, never mind looking like that and eat chocolate daily. This may alienate many female viewers, the majority of the audience.


Giada at 38 with no makeup or any photoshopping is probably one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

RR will always require 3 hours of work before she sets foot outdoors, and every photoshoot she's been in requires a major workover..
 
2008-12-19 12:22:43 PM  

brigid_fitch: Wow, I had no idea that onions were toxic to dogs. Hard to fault Rachael for not knowing--the magazine certainly should have pointed it out.


Yeah, right. Tell that to my family dog growing up. She loved chocolate, which is also supposed to be toxic to dogs. And I'm sure we fed her a goodly amount of home-made hamburgers which always had onions in them.
 
2008-12-19 12:24:27 PM  

spookyfaust: Claudia Chafer: If you cook them, they are no longer toxic.

Just because you say something, that doesn't make it true.

Adding you to the list of morans, read this:

An experimental study of hemolysis induced by onion (Allium cepa) poisoning in dogs. (new window)



1. This abstract doesn't discuss the toxin in onions that causes toxicity, thiosulphate.
2. The abstract does not define the term cooking with respect to time or duration.
3. The article does not discuss if thiosulphate can break down during cooking, and if so, how so.

If your going to cite something, make sure that it is:
1. Useful
2. An actual article.
 
2008-12-19 12:24:46 PM  

me texan: spookyfaust: For the morans in this thread who think onion-toxicity in dogs is a myth.

An experimental study of hemolysis induced by onion (Allium cepa) poisoning in dogs. (new window)

You want the paper, I'll email it to you.

Yep, they fed pekingese dogs from 3/4 to 1 1/2 a yellow onion PER DAY in that study.

The poison is in the dose, like I said. If you're giving a dog that much of anything you're a retard.

Math: 30g/kg fed 1/day, pekingese = 3 to 6 kg, 1 yellow onion = 4 ounces.


You're funny. And by funny, I mean someone who backpedals to attempt to justify an incredibly ignorant statement.

Your original statement:

"And yet, no where in the AVMA's literature do you find anything about onions harming dogs..."

Once a previous poster identifies information that confirms the toxicity, you follow up with:

"Yep, thats not the AMA either. There's not a single study quoted by them that outlines onion toxicity either."

So, rather than accepting that original statement is wrong, or at least an oversimplification, you fall back on this gem:

"In other words - the poison is in the dose, just like everything else."

Really? You mean, the dose is important?? In toxicity??? Of course, the dose is important. No one is arguing that. The concern is that, is an overdose feasible in natural conditions?

Sure, you can feed a bunch of dogs a whole lot of onions and they get sick. Great. But will a dog get similarly ill in a natural setting? Yes yes, and yes.

Cope, R.B. (2005) Allium species poisoning in dogs and cats. Veterinary Medicine, 100, 562-566

And, do we know that different breeds respond to differing doses of onion? Yes.

Caldin, M., Carli, E., Furlanello, T., Solano-Gallego, L., Tasca, S., Patron, C. & Lubas, G. (2005) A retrospective study of 60 cases of eccentrocytosis in the dog. Veterinary Clinical Pathology, 34, 224-231

So, you can wave your hands about mightily and suggest that it's not about the compound, but really it's about dose. And you can fall back on the semantics of "But, but, but everything is toxic in a high enough dose..." It doesn't hide the fact that you made an ignorant statement and are desperately trying to cover it.
 
2008-12-19 12:24:57 PM  
NeedsMoreCoffee
That said... who the hell writes & publishes recipes for animals without at least doing a goddamn google search to find out what they can't eat?! Freakin' moron. It takes two minutes, and as it's something any animal lover/owner should do just as a general awareness thing.


I thought the big publishing houses had these "Fact Checkers". You know, people who check facts.

Like my book, War of the Stars. Turns out there were a bunch of movies made exactly along the same theme as the story in my original novel. The movies that come to mind are "Grosse Pointe Blank" and "Return to Gilligan's Island". Who knew?

There are a couple of new types of dog food. Anyone get their dog to eat the Beneful stuff that comes in a plastic Tupperware bowl? There are also refrigerated meals for the beasts. My doxies refused the Beneful stuff. It looked like vegetable stew. They are currently on Pedigree but will kill for Ceasars.
 
2008-12-19 12:29:17 PM  

theorellior: 'Cause you, you're part eggplant.


i4.photobucket.com

Sicilians are great liars.
 
2008-12-19 12:30:31 PM  
One of our dogs once ate an entire bag of Hershey's Kisses, foil wrappings and all. Didn't kill the thing, but his shiats for the next few days were quite a sight.


/Completely wrapped Kisses embedded within.
//Never seen poop flakes hanging off the main log like that before.
 
2008-12-19 12:30:47 PM  
damn - everything is bad for dogs.
 
2008-12-19 12:31:36 PM  

AddictedToFoobies: St_Francis_P: Dogs and onions, etc. (new window)

The plural of anecdote is not data, no matter if it comes from the website of a DVM.


This is farking hilarious... Some people have their heads so far up their farking asses that even if a doctor (of veterinary medicine is still a doctor) posts a fact on the internet that some farkers STILL refuse to believe it as fact because the doctor didn't cite a reference.

Internet Lawyerstm: Calling bullshiat on anything said on the internet that doesn't include at least 1 reference since 2001.

Hey douchebags: Do you ask your doctor to cite references when he diagnoses you conditions? Do you still have any friends left? It must be hard keeping friends when your constantly asking them to cite references for your conversations...
 
2008-12-19 12:31:39 PM  

entropic_existence: me texan: Yep, thats not the AMA either. There's not a single study quoted by them that outlines onion toxicity either.

An experimental study of hemolysis induced by onion (Allium cepa) poisoning in dogs. Tang, X., Xia, Z., Yu, J. (2008) J. Vet. Pharmacol. Ther. 31(2): 143-9


spookyfaust: For the morans in this thread who think onion-toxicity in dogs is a myth.

An experimental study of hemolysis induced by onion (Allium cepa) poisoning in dogs. (new window)

You want the paper, I'll email it to you.


If you are going to link to the paper, at least do it properly with the DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-2885.2007.00930.x (new window)
 
2008-12-19 12:32:54 PM  

Whatthefark: Rachael Ray Nutrish

OK, I have to admit something here. Yesterday while channel surfing, I stopped at her show. She had Dr Phil on with his wife and dog. Something about celebrity pets. Rachel Ray was hawking her new dog food, so as a test they gave Dr. Phil's dog a bowl of it. The dog sniffed it, ate one piece, then walked around behind Dr. Phil's chair and wouldn't touch it no matter how hard they tried to get him to.

Not a very good endorsement if you ask me.


Yeah, my dogs hate Nutrish as well. They'll happily snarf down cat turds, but refuse to touch her dog food.

This, however, they utterly adore. (new window)

What's real sad is she kept saying No fillers, all natural yada, yada, yada. Here's the ingredients for the Beef and Brown Rice food. (new window)
I see a few fillers in the list. Anything that isn't meat is filler to a dog.


Somebody needs to tell her happy ass that Brewers Rice, Corn Meal, Soybean Meal are freaking fillers.
 
2008-12-19 12:33:36 PM  

Claudia Chafer: spookyfaust: Claudia Chafer: If you cook them, they are no longer toxic.

Just because you say something, that doesn't make it true.

Adding you to the list of morans, read this:

An experimental study of hemolysis induced by onion (Allium cepa) poisoning in dogs. (new window)


1. This abstract doesn't discuss the toxin in onions that causes toxicity, thiosulphate.
2. The abstract does not define the term cooking with respect to time or duration.
3. The article does not discuss if thiosulphate can break down during cooking, and if so, how so.

If your going to cite something, make sure that it is:
1. Useful
2. An actual article.


Wait, so you're claiming that that wasn't an actual article? The ability of people to lob out simplistic statements and defend them to the death amazes me.

So, because this article doesn't meet your specific definition of "cooking," a fact which you've arrived at by speculating, you're going to completely disregard it? And because it doesn't evaluate the kinetics of thiosulphate in response to various cooking techniques, you're sticking with calling it not "useful" in the context of a discussion regarding cooked onion toxicity in dogs?

Really?
 
2008-12-19 12:35:49 PM  
Rachel Ray and Sandra Lee are the worst things to happen to TV cooking since Jeff Smith's personal habits came out and killed his show.
 
2008-12-19 12:36:50 PM  

Ed Finnerty: She looks like someone who would bite your cock off during a BJ.


..with a Tuscan Ragu followed by a nice Torta Mantovana.
 
2008-12-19 12:38:28 PM  
Snort:
If you are going to link to the paper, at least do it properly with the DOI: 10.1111/j.1365-2885.2007.00930.x (new window)

Thanks. That extra link click on the PubMed website to get to the publisher surely left many in the dark.
 
2008-12-19 12:42:50 PM  
URLs are not permanent. DOIs are. Thus the inclusion in citation standards.

If you need to include some in your papers, this tool has been invaluable to me:
Simple Text Query (new window)

Paste in your citations and click the button. Saved me tons of time.
 
2008-12-19 12:43:05 PM  
spookyfaust: So, rather than accepting that original statement is wrong, or at least an oversimplification, you fall back on this gem:

"In other words - the poison is in the dose, just like everything else."

Sure, you can feed a bunch of dogs a whole lot of onions and they get sick. Great. But will a dog get similarly ill in a natural setting? Yes yes, and yes.

Cope, R.B. (2005) Allium species poisoning in dogs and cats. Veterinary Medicine, 100, 562-566

And, do we know that different breeds respond to differing doses of onion? Yes.

Caldin, M., Carli, E., Furlanello, T., Solano-Gallego, L., Tasca, S., Patron, C. & Lubas, G. (2005) A retrospective study of 60 cases of eccentrocytosis in the dog. Veterinary Clinical Pathology, 34, 224-231

So, you can wave your hands about mightily and suggest that it's not about the compound, but really it's about dose.

Look Francis, I made the poison/dose comment prior to you jumping in. Without a doubt you can reach toxicity in dogs by overfeeding them massive doses of onions repeatedly. My entire point (apparently lost on your microexamination of the topic) is that under normal circumstances you'd have to practically glut a dog with onions to reach toxicity to the point where its fatal or permenantly harmful.

You're failing to realize that I could make the same stilted arguement about WATER and dogs that you're making. I can cite examples, just as you do with water toxicity in natural settings. Should we stop giving our dogs water?

Was I wrong about there being a study? Yes. I searched for "Onion" on the AVMA's site, not "Onions" - both seaches yield a vast difference in returns. My bad.

It still doesn't change the fact that you'd have to be a complete retard to cause fatal results (as the headline implies) by feeding your dogs onions on occasion.
 
2008-12-19 12:50:49 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Cripes, people!

(Careful...it's hotlinked)


She is a fraction of how hot she used to be.
 
2008-12-19 12:52:19 PM  

me texan: Without a doubt you can reach toxicity in dogs by overfeeding them massive doses of onions repeatedly. My entire point (apparently lost on your microexamination of the topic) is that under normal circumstances you'd have to practically glut a dog with onions to reach toxicity to the point where its fatal or permenantly harmful.


And my point is that:

1) Your statement suggesting that only massive doses will result in toxicity is a simplification.
2) There are cases, both published and anecdotal (I'm not going to pull out the "I'm a veterinary clinical pathologist and I've seen these cases..." card) of dogs eating doses far less than those shown in the studies developing harmful / fatal hemolytic anemias (i.e. small dogs eating a handful of onion rings). There is simply not enough known about the breed-specific variation in capacity to handle oxidative stress to suggest that only massive doses will result in significant red blood cell pathology.
 
2008-12-19 12:52:39 PM  
www.weareneverfull.com

Damn. Is that real? Damn.
 
2008-12-19 12:53:38 PM  

ProfessorTomoe: St_Francis_P: Dogs and onions, etc. (new window)

Broccoli toxicity??? (new window)

That explains much.


Who can blame them? Brocolli is toxic to me too, unless sauteed in a hot garlic sauce or covered in cheese.
 
2008-12-19 12:55:02 PM  
spyderqueen
My parents finally found a cat food akin to feeding a raw diet that has been AMAZING on them.


what brand? our cats are getting fat so i'm looking for lower carb alternatives to what we're feeding them.
 
2008-12-19 12:55:33 PM  
WENT TO HER WEBSITE, AND FOUND ANOTHER RECIPE FOR DISASTER...

IS THIS CHICK STUPID OR WHAT?

Ingredients

* 1 cup chicken broth
* 1/2 cup rice
* 4 slices turkey bacon
* 2 large eggs, beaten
* 1/2 cup breadcrumbs
* Salt and pepper
* 2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil (EVOO)
* Sour cream (people's portions only)
* Salsa (people's portions only)
 
2008-12-19 12:55:56 PM  

dentalhilljack: One of our dogs once ate an entire bag of Hershey's Kisses, foil wrappings and all. Didn't kill the thing...


This is because Hershey's is well known to not contain much, if any, chocolate.

A dog I knew ate a brick of baker's chocolate. It died four hours later. Although it probably wasn't a bad death, theobromine for dogs is evidently a hell of a high.
 
2008-12-19 12:56:20 PM  

reillan: Rachel Ray and Sandra Lee are the worst things to happen to TV cooking since Jeff Smith's personal habits came out and killed his show.


And I'm sad to say that Paula Deen is falling into that same category. Yesterday I watched her use garlic from a tube in a recipe. She was like 'yea, I use this when I don't want to get my fingers dirty chopping garlic'.

Oh, and by the way, Sandra Lee?

fortunista.com

...Like the fist of a vengeful god.
 
2008-12-19 12:57:57 PM  
Merrick FTW, my dogs prefer this to steak.


Turducken
This bayou classic allows dogs to get in touch with their southern senses. The delicious combination of Turkey, Duck and Chicken all cooked together in their wonderful juices makes even vegetarians reconsider their pledge. It's time that all of our dog friends had a taste of this Cajun Treat. The Merrick family says - "geaux for it!"

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (Min.) 9.00%
Crude Fat (Min.) 4.00%
Crude Fiber (Max.) 1.00%
Moisture (Max.) 81.00%

Calorie Content
965 kcal/kg - A 13.2 oz. can provides 364 kcal of metabolizable energy, calculated value.

Ingredients:
Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Broth, Duck, Fresh Sweet Potatoes, Fresh Carrots, Fresh Green Beans, Fresh Granny Smith Apples, Potato Starch-modified, Olive Oil, Barley Flour, Flax Seed Oil (For Omega -3), Cassia Gum, Carageenan, Potassium Chloride, Poultry Seasoning (Thyme, Sage, Rosemary), Choline Chloride, Salt, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Lecithin, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Mixed Tocopherols, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.

Turducken is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Dog Food nutrient profiles for all life stages.
 
2008-12-19 01:01:15 PM  
www.flashasylum.com
 
2008-12-19 01:02:34 PM  
spookyfaust: 1) Your statement suggesting that only massive doses will result in toxicity is a simplification.

Ooh! I was wondering when we'd get around to comparing our penises. /cough certified wildlife biologist with published studies in canid diets and behaviors

2) There are cases, both published and anecdotal (I'm not going to pull out the "I'm a veterinary clinical pathologist and I've seen these cases..." card) of dogs eating doses far less than those shown in the studies developing harmful / fatal hemolytic anemias (i.e. small dogs eating a handful of onion rings). There is simply not enough known about the breed-specific variation in capacity to handle oxidative stress to suggest that only massive doses will result in significant red blood cell pathology.

So the nanny state reaction is to ban everything potentially harmful because we don't know the possibilities and we have rare cases which might be the result of onion related toxicity?

Wohoo! I want in on this train. We'll get rid of everything in the world with sharp corners, pave over playgrounds and leave nothing but a cushioned rubbery coating and a big sign that says "keep off!" because we've got degrees in science and we know better than everyone, common sense be damned!
 
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