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2008-12-19 10:09:06 AM
Mercutio74: Phil Moskowitz: Technically I voted for Jack Layton but it was a strategic vote in London-Fanshawe.

Technically, you voted for Irene Mathyssen (I'm assuming). But it was in support of Jack Layton. And THAT was strategic for London-Fanshawe.

/Parliamentary governance ftw!


Thank you, PendanticMAN! Another implied general knowledge short form answer broken down for exam like accuracy!

I feel safer, I really do.
 
2008-12-19 10:11:50 AM
For those criticizing the Thrower, just remember.

Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his...wait.

Never mind, carry on.
 
2008-12-19 10:13:47 AM
Just shows how backwards-assed these medieval farks are.

Motherfarkers fail to recognize they would be killed for doing the same to their own rulers.

That is why democracy WILL NOT work for them. They recognize strength, and see anything less than despotism as weakness.

"Offer you my daughter."

Primitive farking screwheads.
 
2008-12-19 10:13:50 AM
Phil Moskowitz: Thank you, PendanticMAN! Another implied general knowledge short form answer broken down for exam like accuracy!

I feel safer, I really do


Those are hairs I have to split, my friend. It's the only way I can feel clean after casting a strategic vote for Susan Kadis(Lib) in my own riding.

/I feel especially dirty since it didn't work and we got Peter farking Kent as our MP
//Grumble, grumble
///I don't even think my NDP candidate had a budget for signs
 
2008-12-19 10:15:59 AM
The RIchest Man in Babylon: Gamer Grrrl: You know, selling off our daughters to loveless marriages with strangers really, truly represents the traditional view of marriage over the last few millenia. We should return to it, because tradition is absolutely the way to go.

This thread is already going to be a clusterf*ck without you in here stirring up more trouble!

Now get back in the kitchen!


Dude, go easy on her, she doesn't have a good dowry.
 
2008-12-19 10:18:20 AM
I equate that brave journalist insultingly throwing his shoes at the President of the United States to the lone man with his grocery bags defiantly standing in front of the tanks at Tiananmen square.

How's that for your eternal legacy Georgie? It's better than Dukakis' tank misfit and Ford's slip and fall downiness all in one.
 
2008-12-19 10:18:40 AM
randomjsa: You're right about drunks... That explains a lot about how 'swift' Ted Kennedy is.

Why can't people just have a chuckle at a funny (or kinda funny) statement without feeling the need to attact someone on the other side of the aisle?
 
2008-12-19 10:19:34 AM
Gamer Grrrl: You know, selling off our daughters to loveless marriages with strangers really, truly represents the traditional view of marriage over the last few millenia. We should return to it, because tradition is absolutely the way to go.

I see your point, but from what I've heard he's also become somewhat of a sex symbol among Arab women. He's like their version of Brad Pitt or George Clooney. I'm sure the girls are all for it.
 
2008-12-19 10:20:37 AM
metroatlrecruiter: This guy is the iraqi version of a rock star. He'll be running that country in a few years. Plus, if he goes to prison, he will be a king while he's in. Two shoes = set for life.


You do realize that opinions of him in Iraq are generally a lot more lackluster than that and the demonstrations of support are being staged by Al Sadr so he can try to hype this up for his own personal reasons, right?


Also, wow. Gotta love how they treat women like livestock... But yeah, you bitaches are so busy jacking off to the slightest anti-Bush anything that you hardly even notice that. Disgusting.
 
2008-12-19 10:22:16 AM
I thank my lucky stars my father would never offer me as a reward to a man.

Arranged marrigages really disturb me.
 
2008-12-19 10:23:52 AM
mongbiohazard: Also, wow. Gotta love how they treat women like livestock...

I think they even it out by treating livestock like women...
 
2008-12-19 10:23:56 AM
loki see loki do: Just shows how backwards-assed these medieval farks are.

I have only one question for you. Have you ever been married?
 
2008-12-19 10:25:10 AM
saddlesablazin: Gamer Grrrl: You know, selling off our daughters to loveless marriages with strangers really, truly represents the traditional view of marriage over the last few millenia. We should return to it, because tradition is absolutely the way to go.

I see your point, but from what I've heard he's also become somewhat of a sex symbol among Arab women. He's like their version of Brad Pitt or George Clooney. I'm sure the girls are all for it.


the differences in sexuality in that part of the world astound me.
Arabs dreaming of hot ankles comes to mind.
 
2008-12-19 10:25:49 AM
malibupetey: I equate that brave journalist insultingly throwing his shoes at the President of the United States to the lone man with his grocery bags defiantly standing in front of the tanks at Tiananmen square.

How's that for your eternal legacy Georgie? It's better than Dukakis' tank misfit and Ford's slip and fall downiness all in one.


ummm I have to disagree here. Sorry, facing down a column of tanks being given orders from an oppressive government that kills it's own people for protesting is A LOT braver.
 
2008-12-19 10:26:27 AM
Mugato: I just mean that if I flip off a local cop, I'm going to get tasered, beaten, maced, shot and a knife put in my dead hand (and I'm white). This guy throws footwear at the President and gets Egyptian girls thrown at him. It's not fair.


Or maybe in reality it's a bit less extreme then you are envisioning. The Secret Service are pros. They don't just run around shooting everyone. If a guy throws a shoe, he doesn't need to get shot in the face. If they DO shoot him in the face they'll be torn to shreds over it in the press. In fact, when's the last time they shot someone?
 
2008-12-19 10:27:55 AM
mongbiohazard: In fact, when's the last time they shot someone?

Its a Secret (Service).
 
2008-12-19 10:28:06 AM
mongbiohazard: metroatlrecruiter: This guy is the iraqi version of a rock star. He'll be running that country in a few years. Plus, if he goes to prison, he will be a king while he's in. Two shoes = set for life.


You do realize that opinions of him in Iraq are generally a lot more lackluster than that and the demonstrations of support are being staged by Al Sadr so he can try to hype this up for his own personal reasons, right?


Also, wow. Gotta love how they treat women like livestock... But yeah, you bitaches are so busy jacking off to the slightest anti-Bush anything that you hardly even notice that. Disgusting.


Where did I say I support treating women like livestock? According to most people on the right, I am too liberal in my interpretation of marriage. They're doing the same thing a lot of 'conservatives' try to do, protect the tradition of marriage.

Also, since you obviously live in Iraq, can you tell me what the majority of the people want there? I guess the country's like 80% pro-american and it's that 20% that just keep farking everything up for them. That's why they cut the cameras off when filming the protests right before a bigger pro-american group comes in and kicks their asses.

Thanks for the lesson on how things are going on the ground in Iraq.
 
2008-12-19 10:32:25 AM
saddlesablazin: Gamer Grrrl: You know, selling off our daughters to loveless marriages with strangers really, truly represents the traditional view of marriage over the last few millenia. We should return to it, because tradition is absolutely the way to go.

I see your point, but from what I've heard he's also become somewhat of a sex symbol among Arab women. He's like their version of Brad Pitt or George Clooney. I'm sure the girls are all for it.


And when I was of marrying age (I'm guessing the daugher in question is in her mid to late teens), Tom Cruise was teh hawt. But that doesn't mean I'd want my parents to marry me off to him so I could be his beard.
 
2008-12-19 10:33:04 AM
Shoethrower was one of my favorite metal bands in the '90's.
 
2008-12-19 10:36:11 AM
Gotta love that culture. I say if they want to live in the stone age let 'em. Hopefully my flying car won't run on oil.
 
2008-12-19 10:36:27 AM
Mercutio74: Phil Moskowitz: Thank you, PendanticMAN! Another implied general knowledge short form answer broken down for exam like accuracy!

I feel safer, I really do

Those are hairs I have to split, my friend. It's the only way I can feel clean after casting a strategic vote for Susan Kadis(Lib) in my own riding.

/I feel especially dirty since it didn't work and we got Peter farking Kent as our MP
//Grumble, grumble
///I don't even think my NDP candidate had a budget for signs


Lotta people got boned in GTA. It was a rough election. I turned the tv off after ontario came in and climbed into a bottle of Banff Ice.
 
2008-12-19 10:37:13 AM
Thorndyke Barnhard: You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of the conservative mind. Preservation of tradition for it's own sake. Blind, uncritical implementation of dogma.


You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of conservative critics. You don't even actually understand what you claim to oppose.

I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

And another: People who are dead knew things too back when they were alive. Traditions may have reasons for them which are not immediately obvious.


G.K. Chesterton - "Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."
 
2008-12-19 10:37:59 AM
Gamer Grrrl: . But that doesn't mean I'd want my parents to marry me off to him so I could be his beard.

*spills drink* I was not expecting that list bit there :D
 
2008-12-19 10:39:40 AM
gustakooka: mongbiohazard: In fact, when's the last time they shot someone?

Its a Secret (Service).



Which operates out in public and protects the president from the public. Men in Black was not a documentary.
 
2008-12-19 10:41:02 AM
mongbiohazard: Thorndyke Barnhard: You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of the conservative mind. Preservation of tradition for it's own sake. Blind, uncritical implementation of dogma.


You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of conservative critics. You don't even actually understand what you claim to oppose.

I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

And another: People who are dead knew things too back when they were alive. Traditions may have reasons for them which are not immediately obvious.


G.K. Chesterton - "Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."


www.saabcentral.com
 
2008-12-19 10:42:36 AM
metroatlrecruiter: Where did I say I support treating women like livestock?


Where did I say you did?

I simply said that there were people in this thread too busy wanking off to their Bush-hate to even notice the disgusting and barbaric attitude towards women permeating this story.

So I guess we know what's more important to you.
 
2008-12-19 10:45:01 AM
The RIchest Man in Babylon: mongbiohazard: Thorndyke Barnhard: You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of the conservative mind. Preservation of tradition for it's own sake. Blind, uncritical implementation of dogma.


You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of conservative critics. You don't even actually understand what you claim to oppose.

I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

And another: People who are dead knew things too back when they were alive. Traditions may have reasons for them which are not immediately obvious.


G.K. Chesterton - "Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."


He said we need to stick to tradition in case we offend our ancestorrs by letting the homos get married to other homos. Because the dead are more important than the living, apparently.
 
2008-12-19 10:46:21 AM
mongbiohazard: metroatlrecruiter: Where did I say I support treating women like livestock?


Where did I say you did?

I simply said that there were people in this thread too busy wanking off to their Bush-hate to even notice the disgusting and barbaric attitude towards women permeating this story.

So I guess we know what's more important to you.


It's their culture, agree or disagree, it's not going to stop it. I guess we went into Iraq and Afghanistan to stop that huh?

So basically, what you're saying is this story is an opportunity for us to discuss what's wrong with other cultures and how superior american freedom is. Anyone who dares say anything about our glorious leader is unamerican.
 
2008-12-19 10:46:23 AM
Gamer Grrrl: He said we need to stick to tradition in case we offend our ancestorrs by letting the homos get married to other homos. Because the dead are more important than the living, apparently.

Oooooh, got it! That makes perfect sense!

Face.

Palm.
 
2008-12-19 10:46:39 AM
mongbiohazard: I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

That is actually a forgotten point. More deaths occur during radical change rather than stagnation.

Democracy is slow by design.
 
2008-12-19 10:47:15 AM
Gamer Grrrl: The RIchest Man in Babylon: mongbiohazard: Thorndyke Barnhard: You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of the conservative mind. Preservation of tradition for it's own sake. Blind, uncritical implementation of dogma.


You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of conservative critics. You don't even actually understand what you claim to oppose.

I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

And another: People who are dead knew things too back when they were alive. Traditions may have reasons for them which are not immediately obvious.


G.K. Chesterton - "Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."

He said we need to stick to tradition in case we offend our ancestorrs by letting the homos get married to other homos. Because the dead are more important than the living, apparently.


Or rather, he's saying that's what conservatism is about. Sorry. His post was a bit subtle, and it took me a moment to realize he wasn't actually espousing that point, just raising it.
 
2008-12-19 10:54:48 AM
The Secret Service doesn't shiv a git. This pres is a dead duck, not even a lame duck. We have another president standing by who couldn't fark things up any worse if he tried, so it's not worth getting hit with a shoe(or anything else).

Contribute to the Christmas drive of "Shoes for W"
 
2008-12-19 10:55:08 AM
mongbiohazard: I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

True... however, there is no value to clinging to outdated values for no good reason, especially if those values are harmful to designed to limit civil rights.

And another: People who are dead knew things too back when they were alive. Traditions may have reasons for them which are not immediately obvious.

Possibly. But dead people also have way less at stake than people living now.

G.K. Chesterton - "Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."

Well, yay for the ancestors. Dead people don't get to vote for a reason, I'll give you three guesses as to why.
 
2008-12-19 10:55:28 AM
mongbiohazard: You hit the bullseye on what's the core failing of conservative critics. You don't even actually understand what you claim to oppose.

I'll give you a small hint: Unfettered change is as much or more damaging than none.

And another: People who are dead knew things too back when they were alive. Traditions may have reasons for them which are not immediately obvious.


G.K. Chesterton - "Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about."


I absolutely know and understand that justification but the reality is that non-conservatism is not incompatible with gradualism and caution.

Conservatism, on the other hand, by it's very proudly self-apposed label belies an agenda against change and reticence toward critical consideration of those traditions.
 
2008-12-19 10:58:51 AM
PARDON SHOE GUY
 
2008-12-19 10:59:26 AM
Ah yes, it's a-okay if women are treated like chattel when it's done in the context of the "religion of peace." Great stuff, MSM.
 
2008-12-19 11:00:28 AM
jyoders19: Ah yes, it's a-okay if women are treated like chattel when it's done in the context of the "religion of peace." Great stuff, MSM.

Yeah, you scumbag media! How DARE you report on anything that people disagree with!
 
2008-12-19 11:02:14 AM
Crown_of_Shoes: PARDON SHOE GUY

Pardong Shoegi plays for the Pohang Steelers no?
 
2008-12-19 11:03:33 AM
jyoders19: Ah yes, it's a-okay if women are treated like chattel when it's done in the context of the "religion of peace." Great stuff, MSM.

Here's a crazy idea: How about the media just reports the facts, and you make up your own mind about how to feel?

Too difficult?
 
2008-12-19 11:10:15 AM
we need s stripper thread, badly
 
2008-12-19 11:10:25 AM
What the future bride might look like.

farm2.static.flickr.com
 
2008-12-19 11:13:55 AM
Since he's apologizing and asking for a pardon, are the offers still on?

/Got beaten.
//But you gotta expect that.
 
2008-12-19 11:18:36 AM
I submitted this yesterday with a much better headline...think Drew has it in for me...

//just saying
 
2008-12-19 11:21:45 AM
I Said: malibupetey: I equate that brave journalist insultingly throwing his shoes at the President of the United States to the lone man with his grocery bags defiantly standing in front of the tanks at Tiananmen square.

How's that for your eternal legacy Georgie? It's better than Dukakis' tank misfit and Ford's slip and fall downiness all in one.

ummm I have to disagree here. Sorry, facing down a column of tanks being given orders from an oppressive government that kills it's own people for protesting is A LOT braver.


I see what you did there.
 
2008-12-19 11:37:36 AM
Yea, let's reward a guy for acting like an asshat and shedding his dignity and self-control like many other crazed activists.

"You throw shoes like a whining child who can't have ice cream after dinner? Have my daughter!"
 
2008-12-19 11:40:10 AM
Fact Man: Yea, let's reward a guy for acting like an asshat and shedding his dignity and self-control like many other crazed activists.

"You throw shoes like a whining child who can't have ice cream after dinner? Have my daughter!"


Dude... keep in mind he hasn't met these women. They might not be worth the dowry.
 
2008-12-19 11:45:00 AM
Fact Man: Yea, let's reward a guy for acting like an asshat and shedding his dignity and self-control like many other crazed activists.

"You throw shoes like a whining child who can't have ice cream after dinner? Have my daughter!"


There's more to it than that, the act of throwing a shoe at someone means they are lower than dirt in middle eastern cultures. This is a fact that many people gloss over, it was almost equal to throwing a poo-ball at him.

Granted, as tacky as it may seem, to a lot of people over there, it symbolized the feeling of all of the people in Iraq that have been giving this thing a chance and have been shiat on.
 
2008-12-19 11:50:37 AM
metroatlrecruiter: Fact Man: Yea, let's reward a guy for acting like an asshat and shedding his dignity and self-control like many other crazed activists.

"You throw shoes like a whining child who can't have ice cream after dinner? Have my daughter!"

There's more to it than that, the act of throwing a shoe at someone means they are lower than dirt in middle eastern cultures. This is a fact that many people gloss over, it was almost equal to throwing a poo-ball at him.

Granted, as tacky as it may seem, to a lot of people over there, it symbolized the feeling of all of the people in Iraq that have been giving this thing a chance and have been shiat on.


Yea I know it's a disrespect thing, but still, it's the President of the United States. At least respect the office if not the man. That's what the guy is charged with, too, for insulting a foreign leader, not for insulting a guy he didn't like.

If somebody were to throw a poo-ball at Hugo Chavez, even though I don't like the guy, I would have thought it to be extremely immature and inappropriate. Organize a protest, don't throw things in an outburst.
 
2008-12-19 11:52:32 AM
Gamer Grrrl:
And when I was of marrying age (I'm guessing the daugher in question is in her mid to late teens)...

You're giving a culture that 1) denies women any social power, then 2) dresses them in such a way as to remove any personal power they may have, a little too much credit.
Marrying age for a muslim woman is whenever someone thinks he can knock her up for a son. They don't even keep track of a girl's chronological age. She's like a farm animal.
 
2008-12-19 11:55:13 AM
Fact Man: metroatlrecruiter: Fact Man: Yea, let's reward a guy for acting like an asshat and shedding his dignity and self-control like many other crazed activists.

"You throw shoes like a whining child who can't have ice cream after dinner? Have my daughter!"

There's more to it than that, the act of throwing a shoe at someone means they are lower than dirt in middle eastern cultures. This is a fact that many people gloss over, it was almost equal to throwing a poo-ball at him.

Granted, as tacky as it may seem, to a lot of people over there, it symbolized the feeling of all of the people in Iraq that have been giving this thing a chance and have been shiat on.

Yea I know it's a disrespect thing, but still, it's the President of the United States. At least respect the office if not the man. That's what the guy is charged with, too, for insulting a foreign leader, not for insulting a guy he didn't like.

If somebody were to throw a poo-ball at Hugo Chavez, even though I don't like the guy, I would have thought it to be extremely immature and inappropriate. Organize a protest, don't throw things in an outburst.


I agree with you that there are other ways, but I don't live in Iraq, neither do you. We can't comprehend the feelings of frustration people have when they see the US every day. Couple those frustrations with the knowledge that Bush was voted out, he built this war, and this was probably the last time they would see him, then I can understand.

Just because I understand doesn't mean it's justified, so don't read more into that than what it is at face value. These past few months I've been trying to understand what it's like for someone my age in Iraq right now.....an impossible task.
 
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