This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Sucks to be him.

timharrod: "Deep Throat goes down" was a funnier headline.

agreed

DslainteC: Sucks to be him.

Foul play suspected?

Darth_Lukecash: Is what he did heroic? Not necessarily. A hero stand ups and be counted-damn the results or opposition.

Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson want to thank you for the statue.

Goodnight funnyman...

I thought it was about Linda Lovelace.

DOH!

shivashakti: This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Dude was a bitter employee who got passed over for a promotion, took it out on those above him, and was so proud of what he did that he hid it for a quarter century.

Your praise of Felt would be a lot more appropriate if Nixon was the first corrupt President in history, as opposed to one in a long line before and since. Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off and people are willing to look at his achievements with some sense of impartiality, they'll see that being a dirty politician in the dirtiest political era in American history pales in comparison to advancing civil rights, ending an illegal war, and leaving the geopolitical landscape a whole hell of a lot more peaceful when he left it than when he found it.

Emcee_Squared: shivashakti: This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Dude was a bitter employee who got passed over for a promotion, took it out on those above him, and was so proud of what he did that he hid it for a quarter century.

Your praise of Felt would be a lot more appropriate if Nixon was the first corrupt President in history, as opposed to one in a long line before and since. Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off and people are willing to look at his achievements with some sense of impartiality, they'll see that being a dirty politician in the dirtiest political era in American history pales in comparison to advancing civil rights, ending an illegal war, and leaving the geopolitical landscape a whole hell of a lot more peaceful when he left it than when he found it.

Nixon was more than just background noise corrupt. Jesus Christ man, have you heard the tapes?

RemyDuron: Emcee_Squared: shivashakti: This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Dude was a bitter employee who got passed over for a promotion, took it out on those above him, and was so proud of what he did that he hid it for a quarter century.

Your praise of Felt would be a lot more appropriate if Nixon was the first corrupt President in history, as opposed to one in a long line before and since. Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off and people are willing to look at his achievements with some sense of impartiality, they'll see that being a dirty politician in the dirtiest political era in American history pales in comparison to advancing civil rights, ending an illegal war, and leaving the geopolitical landscape a whole hell of a lot more peaceful when he left it than when he found it.

Nixon was more than just background noise corrupt. Jesus Christ man, have you heard the tapes?

Yes, I have. The depths he stooped to to save his Presidency were very base indeed. And how much of that was retaliation for the Daniel Ellsberg's and Dick Tuck's of the world? Would there even have been a Watergate without Nixon's brother having his personal life dragged through the mud?

Nixon talked at great lengths about screwing his enemies by any means necessary. Did he ever personally assassinate a political opponent in cold blood, like the President on the $50 did?

Nixon said some extremely unsavory things about Jews and other minorities. Did he ever conduct what amounted to an internal genocide over a visible American minority, like the President on the $50 did? Did he ever actually *own* any minorities, like Presidents on the $1 and $2 bills did?

Emcee_Squared: shivashakti: This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Dude was a bitter employee who got passed over for a promotion, took it out on those above him, and was so proud of what he did that he hid it for a quarter century.

THIS


Your praise of Felt would be a lot more appropriate if Nixon was the first corrupt President in history, as opposed to one in a long line before and since. Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off and people are willing to look at his achievements with some sense of impartiality, they'll see that being a dirty politician in the dirtiest political era in American history pales in comparison to advancing civil rights, ending an illegal war, and leaving the geopolitical landscape a whole hell of a lot more peaceful when he left it than when he found it.

NOT THIS

No love for Nixon here, but this guy was no hero. He didn't want to bring Nixon down because Nixon was a corrupt bastard, he wanted to bring Nixon down because he didn't get what he wanted from the pool of corruption.


In my book that makes him a scumbag, not a hero. He fits into that old saying of never trusting a traitor. C.S. Lewis put it best, "They will use them (traitors) to fulfill their goals, but will regard them as human vermin." Perfect description of this guy.

shivashakti: This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Another vote for "hero". Every now and then, someone with real integrity stands up and does the right thing. Nixon was a disturbed man, totally out of touch with reality and his oath of office. Felt did the right thing at the right time.

RIP.

I wonder how many Farkers are going to hit this thread thinking it is about sex.

schadenfreudian: Did she die? Really? Say it ain't so.

for an amateur her videos were pretty damn hot

Nixon shouldn't be held responsible because your people aren't supposed to snitch and besides, other people did it and got away with it.

For those who don't remember, Nixon felt that the government was under siege because of the anarchists who were running around. You remember the Pentagon bombings, the Weather underground, etc? He was probably no more corrupt than most politicians. As has been pointed out, he did a lot more good than harm.

He should have been impeached for wage and price controls, however.

As for Felt - can you imagine any modern investigation being credible with an unknown accuser?

Mr. Right: For those who don't remember, Nixon felt that the government was under siege because of the anarchists who were running around. You remember the Pentagon bombings, the Weather underground, etc? He was probably no more corrupt than most politicians. As has been pointed out, he did a lot more good than harm.

Very well said.

Mr. Right: For those who don't remember, Nixon felt that the government was under siege because of the anarchists who were running around.

Apparently the 'hero of the left' Felt didn't feel so different -

A controversial figure who was later convicted of authorizing illegal activities in pursuit of members of the radical Weather Underground, Felt died of heart failure Thursday at his home in Santa Rosa, Calif., his grandson Rob Jones said.

He was just another protofascist who screwed over a boss to get himself ahead. This man is no hero even if he did take down a Republican president, libs.

at80eighty: schadenfreudian: Did she die? Really? Say it ain't so.

for an amateur her videos were pretty damn hot

"Were"? As in past tense?? Is her site gone?? Say it ain't so, man...Say it ain't so...

Emcee_Squared
.. and was so proud of what he did that he hid it for a quarter century.

The man helped bring down a government who wasn't exactly known for its "care bear" approach to political enemies. I would hide and I would have no shame in doing so. However, I sometimes forget that gentleman like yourself have balls too big for that--Hrrrrrrr.

When you practice reporting for as long as I have, you keep yourself at a distance from True Believers. Either conservatives or liberals or Democrats or Republicans.
Bob Woodward


Emcee_Squared
Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off...

Hence the quote from Woodward.

Is the Hero tag undercover?

Shaggy_C: He was just another protofascist who screwed over a boss to get himself ahead. This man is no hero even if he did take down a Republican president, libs.

Not only that, a Republican president who would easily be running as Democrat today. Father of affirmative action, advancer of minority causes, establisher of pro-minority government institutions, diverter of government funds to medical research, ender of wars. The fact that such a deep-dyed anti-Communist could reach detente with both major Communist powers says it all.

But yes. Mark Felt was as has been described here. Though I think what Ellsberg did was illegal and ultimately damaging to the country on the whole, at least he had the conviction to stand tall for what he believed in. He knew jail was a near certainty and felt it was worth it, and made what he thought was a rational transaction.

And I'm willing to wait another generation to see Nixon vindicated. How long did it take before we finally learned that Alger Hiss really was a Communist spy?

Emcee_Squared:
Very well said.

Actually, I thought your post about Nixon said it better, but thanks.

Shaggy_C:
He was just another protofascist who screwed over a boss to get himself ahead. This man is no hero even if he did take down a Republican president, libs.

Nixon's greatest crime was electorally embarassing the Dems. Winning 49 out of 50 states made them and their support of the anti-war side look bad. Unacceptable!

Emcee_Squared: shivashakti: This should be a HERO tag.
Dude brought down a corrupt President.

Dude was a bitter employee who got passed over for a promotion, took it out on those above him, and was so proud of what he did that he hid it for a quarter century.

Your praise of Felt would be a lot more appropriate if Nixon was the first corrupt President in history, as opposed to one in a long line before and since. Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off and people are willing to look at his achievements with some sense of impartiality, they'll see that being a dirty politician in the dirtiest political era in American history pales in comparison to advancing civil rights, ending an illegal war, and leaving the geopolitical landscape a whole hell of a lot more peaceful when he left it than when he found it.



hahahahahahahahaha

Emcee_Squared: and leaving ... when he left

Looks like someone got their hackles up early -- adrenalin is not helpful for typing.

hetheeme: He fits into that old saying of never trusting a traitor.

So, let me get this straight - The President that saw his powewr as unlimited and used his office, in several ways, to subvert the entire election process is the hero, and the whistleblower that outed him is the traitor?

/"Operation Townhouse"

Just Another Dick

turtle-tracks: The man helped bring down a government who wasn't exactly known for its "care bear" approach to political enemies. I would hide and I would have no shame in doing so. However, I sometimes forget that gentleman like yourself have balls too big for that--Hrrrrrrr.

See my prior post, re: the difference between someone with actual conviction and someone who was merely bitter at his boss. And the government's political enemies weren't exactly playing "care bear" either.

Emcee_Squared
Hopefully, when all the hippies finally die off...

Hence the quote from Woodward.

I'd like to think you'd give me credit for "die off of natural causes", not "die off when Gordon Liddy visits them all in the dead of night".

Mr. Right
For those who don't remember, Nixon felt that the government was under siege because of the anarchists who were running around


In tapes released by the National Archives, Nixon told Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, "Henry, let's leave the ni**ers to Bill and we'll take care of the rest of the world" while working on his first presidential address to Congress. Nixon repeatedly referred to blacks as "ni**ers" and "jigaboos" in other conversations with Kissinger. Nixon later complained to Erlichman that Great Society programs were a waste "because blacks were genetically inferior to whites."

What a nice guy :) Those "inferior" Blacks can be such pesky anarchists.

Goodnight, whistleblowerman.

The world needs more people able to rattle the cages of fat cats and assholes who thinks they are above the law.

Emcee_Squared
I'd like to think you'd give me credit for..

Sweetie, I give you no credit at all for that statement.

Emcee_Squared: Not only that, a Republican president who would easily be running as Democrat today. Father of affirmative action, advancer of minority causes, establisher of pro-minority government institutions, diverter of government funds to medical research, ender of wars.

And that doesn't even get into wage and price controls, a 70%+ top marginal tax rate, and tariffs across the board. He was probably the last 'good' Republican president in terms of standing up for the American worker. Ford wasn't so bad, but he was hamstrung to the point where he wasn't really effective in any fashion.

In junior year of high school, I gave a presentation on Watergate. I mentioned Deep Throat and how we still didn't know who it was, etc. I come home and it's on CNN: Deep Throat Revealed! Go figure, I said.

turtle-tracks: Nixon repeatedly referred to blacks as "ni**ers" and "jigaboos" in other conversations with Kissinger. Nixon later complained to Erlichman that Great Society programs were a waste "because blacks were genetically inferior to whites."

That same sentiment won Reagan two presidential terms. He just didn't come out and say it directly. Nixon was actually a huge proponent of civil rights legislation, including affirmative action.

Kazuya: ...advancing civil rights, ending an illegal war, and leaving the geopolitical landscape a whole hell of a lot more peaceful when he left it than when he found it.



hahahahahahahahaha

Who ended the war that Johnson escalated, in a way that would let the USA honor its geopolitical commitments as much as possible?

Who first implemented affirmative action? Who implemented government programs for minority-owned businesses? Who implemented Title IX?

Who opened doors to one of the USA's two biggest ideological enemies, and penned two treaties with the other one -- while keeping both leaders in check the whole time?

.. and with regards to the "leaving.. left", it's not early morning adrenalin, it's a 24 hour coding session winding down while I watch over the run. So it's the opposite effect ;)

aresef: In junior year of high school, I gave a presentation on Watergate. I mentioned Deep Throat and how we still didn't know who it was, etc. I come home and it's on CNN: Deep Throat Revealed! Go figure, I said.

I wrote a report in high school called "Richard Nixon: A Tricky Dick tries to go Straight".

I don't think my teacher appreciated it much.

turtle-tracks: Emcee_Squared
I'd like to think you'd give me credit for..

Sweetie, I give you no credit at all for that statement.

Well, if you cannot tell the difference between "die off" and "are killed off", it's pretty clear you're not going to be reachable on the subject :)

Richard Nixon was a big piece of sh*t. There is no justification, no excuse for the corruption and paranoia of his administration. I don't care if he went to China. He was a criminal. The same apologists who try to minimalize his behavior are the ones who hounded Clinton for 8 years over old phony land deals and blowjobs. They're hypocrites, who spout off about law and order, yet excuse assholes like Bush, and Nixon, and McCarthy, and others.

Deep Throat was no doubt garbage in his own way. But, dammit, the hypocrisy is thick.

Shaggy_C
That same sentiment won Reagan two presidential terms. He just didn't come out and say it directly.

True.

Shaggy_C
Nixon was actually a huge proponent of civil rights legislation, including affirmative action.

When Nixon came to power, he began to attack the Supreme Court, attempting to destroy liberal judges and replace them with judges preferably from the South with anti-civil rights records. Any comments or "pushes" he made for pro-civil rights actions were simply smoke and mirrors. The real changes came from congress, civil rights activists and those-- what was it Nixon said?-- oh yes, n**gers and other individuals who died/fought for the cause.

Nixon wasn't nearly as bad as all the libs want to think he was. He gave all you haters the EPA for crying out loud. Nixon's real crime was almost winning the war in Vietnam. And Mark Felt was a sniveling coward. Real men stand to be counted when calling people out, any real American man would be ashamed to do what Felt did.

Wait...I thought someone claiming (family claimed) to be Deep Throat died a few years back? What am I thinking of?

Emcee_Squared:
And I'm willing to wait another generation to see Nixon vindicated. How long did it take before we finally learned that Alger Hiss really was a Communist spy?

Interesting point, but Nixon didn't know he was a spy, he just destroyed him because he didn't like his politics and needed some red scare cred.