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2008-12-16 04:49:36 PM
firefly212: a policy that the court attempted to apply to only this one man.

How in the world can you possibly know that?
 
2008-12-16 04:49:58 PM
At least they were rolled.
 
2008-12-16 04:50:10 PM
HunterNIU 2008-12-16 04:18:03 PM
mofomisfit: Mine isn't secret, yours isn't secret, his isn't secret, no one's DL# is secret. You know that, and asking for his was just a silly gimmick that didn't go anywhere. I'm not giving my name out on a public internet forum, that doesn't mean it's secret.

This... except I just gave him mine... D'oh!

/i swear if my driving record gets a blemish I blame fark....
//and i'll pay in pennies


there you go, I wasn't trying to be a douche. Just calling a bluff.(didn't work) But you forgot two numbers on your other post, so I must have been partially right. The problem I have isn't damage to my record, I'm what they call a "high-risk" driver, I'm more worried about what I don't know that can be done with it. And in years past, someone tried to use my name for something, he was arrested for the open warrants I had at the time. I would have loved to have been there for that.
 
2008-12-16 04:50:55 PM
GetBackJoe: We won't be safe until all the cops are bleeding in the streets. Fark you all. I hope your children are raped and killed.


Someone missed their 2PM dopamine pill.
 
2008-12-16 04:51:00 PM
mattknows:
WRONG. As someone who just took an ethics in Journalism class, the court can NOT summarily order all cameras off.


It figures that an ethics in journalism class teaches about something that doesn't require ethics from journalists. I wondered about what such a class would teach, because although there is a code of journalistic ethics floating around out there nobody much seems to know about it. From what I've seen, journalistic ethics consists of cleaning your knife off before stabbing the next person in the back.

Also, "as someone who just took an ethics in Journalism class" is the new "I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes."
 
2008-12-16 04:52:37 PM
If they don't have to accept pennies, then why do we? Next time some smug jerk making minimum wage tries to hand me pennies, I'm going to demand that they only credit the amount to my debit card.

/Kidding
 
2008-12-16 04:52:51 PM
If the clerk thinks it's unreasonable, and he/she IS backed up by the letter of the law, then it is unreasonable.

If the clerk wanted to accept the pennies then that would have been his/her decision, and that would have also been fine within the law.

Pennies in that amount constitute "an offer of payment", if they are accepted then fine, but they don't have to be.

/everyone stop being a jackass!
 
2008-12-16 04:53:36 PM
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2008-12-16 04:54:40 PM
sarcasman: /everyone stop being a jackass!


That's your plan?
 
2008-12-16 04:55:29 PM
mattknows: As someone who just took an ethics in Journalism class

Is that that more like an Empathy in DMV Employees class or a Wear Gloves When You Rob a House class?
 
2008-12-16 04:55:59 PM
grizzlyjohnson: firefly212: a policy that the court attempted to apply to only this one man.

How in the world can you possibly know that?


She asked him to write his drivers license on the coinage, he asked if she required the same of persons paying with notes... she failed to answer, and subsequently, a search of the municipal courts (and NJMCdirect) website revealed no such policy, they don't even require the drivers license number when paying a fine online. So ya, I'd say with some certainty that it is not the official policy of the state of new jersey, nor is it the policy of the municipal courts of NJ, that people must write their drivers license numbers on currency tendered for payment.
 
2008-12-16 04:56:05 PM
I hope he doesn't have Verlorenes Metallgeld now
 
2008-12-16 04:57:08 PM
Dirtybird971: HunterNIU 2008-12-16 04:18:03 PM
mofomisfit: Mine isn't secret, yours isn't secret, his isn't secret, no one's DL# is secret. You know that, and asking for his was just a silly gimmick that didn't go anywhere. I'm not giving my name out on a public internet forum, that doesn't mean it's secret.

This... except I just gave him mine... D'oh!

/i swear if my driving record gets a blemish I blame fark....
//and i'll pay in pennies

there you go, I wasn't trying to be a douche. Just calling a bluff.(didn't work) But you forgot two numbers on your other post, so I must have been partially right. The problem I have isn't damage to my record, I'm what they call a "high-risk" driver, I'm more worried about what I don't know that can be done with it. And in years past, someone tried to use my name for something, he was arrested for the open warrants I had at the time. I would have loved to have been there for that.


What do you mean by I "forgot two numbers on [my] other post"?

And someone getting arrested for your warrants is funny as shiat.
 
2008-12-16 04:57:26 PM
DslainteC : Isn't it strange that coppers don't like pennies?

A lot of people have already mentioned that today's pennies are zinc. But I'm still posting my one liner damnit.

Strange? yes, I zinc so.
 
2008-12-16 04:58:29 PM
SuperNinjaToad: mofomisfit: Mine isn't secret, yours isn't secret, his isn't secret, no one's DL# is secret. You know that, and asking for his was just a silly gimmick that didn't go anywhere. I'm not giving my name out on a public internet forum, that doesn't mean it's secret.

Name: Todd Davis
SS: 457-55-5462

someone look up his DL# please.

//not violating any TOS since he has volunteerily made public his SS number.


I think I heard somewhere that he isn't so satisfied with the service, his security has been breached two times and he lost out.

Thanks for the conversation today ya'll...especially you hunter, most enlightning, I tells ya.
 
2008-12-16 05:02:30 PM
what an asshat. things work both ways a lot of time. you want to pay with pennies, ok. they want your drivers license number on all of the rolls, just tell them, ok, no problem, and do it. you had to do something, which in the grand scheme of things, wasn't much, and you also made your point.

in that regard, then the municipality could be on the hook if they issued a roll of pennies to someone, and the person took the drivers license number and used that to perpetrate some unlawful act, and then admit that was the place that they obtained the number.

hell, i would probably do something like this as well. i remember sometime back, and i would have to be corrected--which i do not mind if i am wrong is that if the person refuses to take the money, that the obligation is no longer. i don't know if that is true with coinage, but would be interesting to find out.
 
2008-12-16 05:03:40 PM
aegis: Unless I read the article incorrectly, they would take the pennies. He just had to write his driver's license number on each roll. That is acceptable. The court wants to make sure he is not short changing him by rolling washers or something else. Try taking a bunch of rolls of coins to the bank. I bet you they will make you write your account number on each roll.

Seriosuly.. Some poor underpaid civil servant is in the middle of this mess, and she doesn't want to spend her day making sure there are 5,600 pennies.

I'd make him wait, standing, to get his receipt and his citation paid notice until it's verified.

I don't know what you think a bank does, but I've never heard of any banks not accepting change, as long as you have an account in good standing, you're nice about it and you do it at a time that's not busy. I've NEVER seen a teller turn somebody down for having a jar full of coins, because it's not that big of a deal for a banker to dump it into a coin rolling machine.

And they're even happier if they're already in rolls.
 
2008-12-16 05:04:12 PM
Dirtybird971: He got them FROM a bank..prerolled (the fancy way with the curled edges) and in boxes, bank boxes. You're the douche, learn to read before forming an opinion.

I did read that. I don't doubt they instituted the policy (writing the license number on the rolls) to discourage this kind of petty asshattery. However, did you ever stop to consider that if the man works at a bank or knows someone who does he could roll up his coins (minus 1 penny each)? One can also buy coin crimping machines and produce the same bank-quality roll of coins, only mius 1 penny per roll. Bet you didn't think of that...well guess what, the Traffic Court cashiers did, and because of that possibility he has to write his license # on every roll to ensure accountability.

He is a petty asshat and I can't wait for his 'day in court'...he will win (the Court will accept his pennies), however the regulation covering rolls of coin will stand and he will be forced to write his license on each roll...probably before he leaves the court. Talk about your pyrrhic victory.

I wish I had nothing to worry about like this guy and I could spend my time being a douche.
 
2008-12-16 05:04:51 PM
Byno: I just got done watching Inspector Gadget on my Tivo, so I'm getting a spring-loaded kick...

I only galnced at this comment first.

I thought it said:
I just got done watching Inspector Gadget on my Tivo, so I'm getting a spring-loaded dick...


For a second I wondered where you would buy such a thing :-)
 
2008-12-16 05:06:46 PM
firefly212: grizzlyjohnson: firefly212: a policy that the court attempted to apply to only this one man.

How in the world can you possibly know that?

She asked him to write his drivers license on the coinage, he asked if she required the same of persons paying with notes... she failed to answer, and subsequently, a search of the municipal courts (and NJMCdirect) website revealed no such policy, they don't even require the drivers license number when paying a fine online. So ya, I'd say with some certainty that it is not the official policy of the state of new jersey, nor is it the policy of the municipal courts of NJ, that people must write their drivers license numbers on currency tendered for payment.


First, the Township of Nutley, New Jersey, has a set of policies for accepting payments for things. These are not posted on the web that I can see. This is a city level issue, not county or state.

Second, as I mentioned above, the process of putting identification on rolled coins is common. This clerk did not just suddenly make this up. She asked someone what the process was and that was the answer she got. She may or may not know why it's done, hence she was unable to answer his question about putting identification on bills. You can count three bills pretty quickly. You can't count 11,200 pennies very quickly.

Third, a clerk is not going to just pull this kind of stuff out of the hat because she does or doesn't want to deal with this douchbag's coins.

Fourth, the courts don't establish the procedures for handling money. Those will be established by the city's Treasurer.

So no, there's no way you could know that this requirement was something that was applied to this one person. In truth, it probably was not.
 
2008-12-16 05:06:54 PM
Pinko_Commie: Byno: I just got done watching Inspector Gadget on my Tivo, so I'm getting a spring-loaded kick...

I only galnced at this comment first.

I thought it said:
I just got done watching Inspector Gadget on my Tivo, so I'm getting a spring-loaded dick...

For a second I wondered where you would buy such a thing :-)


eBay
 
2008-12-16 05:07:17 PM
grizzlyjohnson: John Lee Pettimore: Yet another great work of fiction. You should post some of your short stories on Amazon.

One time he was in a Taco Bell and tried to pay with a two dollar bill and the cops came...


LOL. I am a big proponent of eliminating the $1 bill in lieu of using the $1 coin & $2 bill. I carry both and use them as often as is practical.
 
2008-12-16 05:07:54 PM
spideyknix: This actually happened to me at a gas station, I was buying a Hess truck for my baby brother for christmas in college, and I was broke as hell. So i cashed in that piggy bank (mostly pennies) all in all about 24$ and the attendant refused to accept it. I was screaming at him with a profanity laced tirade that included "it's legal farkin' tender you have to accept it," and my favorite "this isnt farkin saudi arabia, you take my farking money now." I am an embarassing human being. btw also happened in NJ.

Completely different situation.

Pennies are legal tender for all debts, such as the debt owed by the guy in the article to the government. Legal tender must be accepted as payment for debts.

You, on the other hand, owed no debt to the gas station, since they refused to sell you the Hess truck in exchange for pennies, therefore no transaction took place and no debt was owed.

Businesses are perfectly within their rights to place whatever restrictions they want in exchange for providing goods or services. Whether that means not accepting pennies, or not accepting bills larger than $20, or whatever. They could opt to only accept silver half-dollars if they wanted to, but they probably wouldn't do a lot of business that way.
 
2008-12-16 05:07:55 PM
Every once in awhile a wheatback here, an buffalo nickel there, you name it.

Actually, buffalo nickels are pretty common, becase they've been makign them again. Which reminds me: I remember a couple years ago some family values parents association got freaked out because you could see the buffalo's dick on the coins. Not sure what this has to do with the story, but it's amusing anyway.
 
2008-12-16 05:08:05 PM
grizzlyjohnson: You can't count 11,200 5,600 pennies very quickly
 
2008-12-16 05:08:32 PM
Kome:

Asshattery? In Jersey? I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

img407.imageshack.us
 
2008-12-16 05:09:47 PM
In Canada, if a debt is higher than $0.25, the recipient does not have to receive it if it is in pennies.
 
2008-12-16 05:10:58 PM
Doc Daneeka: Businesses are perfectly within their rights to place whatever restrictions they want in exchange for providing goods or services. Whether that means not accepting pennies, or not accepting bills larger than $20, or whatever. They could opt to only accept silver half-dollars if they wanted to, but they probably wouldn't do a lot of business that way.

What about sex?
 
2008-12-16 05:11:16 PM
PoopStain: The last time i tried to pay a hooker with 50 rolls of quarters she wouldn't take them. So I wrapped them in a sock and knocked that biatch the fark out.

Who pays five hundred bucks for a hooker? I thought this was a recession.
 
2008-12-16 05:11:39 PM
Dirtybird971: SuperNinjaToad: mofomisfit: Mine isn't secret, yours isn't secret, his isn't secret, no one's DL# is secret. You know that, and asking for his was just a silly gimmick that didn't go anywhere. I'm not giving my name out on a public internet forum, that doesn't mean it's secret.

Name: Todd Davis
SS: 457-55-5462

someone look up his DL# please.

//not violating any TOS since he has volunteerily made public his SS number.

I think I heard somewhere that he isn't so satisfied with the service, his security has been breached two times and he lost out.

Thanks for the conversation today ya'll...especially you hunter, most enlightning, I tells ya.


have fun
 
2008-12-16 05:12:03 PM
gund:

Dude reread your own link. They have to accept the pennies. Fail^2


You are some kind of dummy.
 
2008-12-16 05:12:11 PM
John Lee Pettimore: grizzlyjohnson: John Lee Pettimore: Yet another great work of fiction. You should post some of your short stories on Amazon.

One time he was in a Taco Bell and tried to pay with a two dollar bill and the cops came...

LOL. I am a big proponent of eliminating the $1 bill in lieu of using the $1 coin & $2 bill. I carry both and use them as often as is practical.


I would too, but I have women in my life, so it's been a long time since I've seen cash.
 
2008-12-16 05:12:12 PM
SnakeLee: It Smee: He'll win in court. Pennies are legal tender for all debts public and private.

He'll win in court - after he has to go to the arraignment, then go to court, hire a lawyer, etc. They are just trying to be dicks back to him

/everyone involved here is just being petty, on both sides. It makes them all look really bad, imho


It's obvious that you've never been to Jersey.
 
2008-12-16 05:13:12 PM
unyon: In Canada, if a debt is higher than $0.25, the recipient does not have to receive it if it is in pennies.

In Kenya...

Ah, never mind. Too easy.
 
2008-12-16 05:15:06 PM
firefly212: She asked him to write his drivers license on the coinage

She did? Where does it say that? The only reference I can find that's in any way like that is, from TFA:

But the 22-year-old said there was a condition -- that he write his driver's license number on each roll.

So, he was never asked to write anything on any currency. He was, presumably, asked to write it on the roll around the coins. A comparable request, then, is to write the DL number on an envelope containing cash. Why is that unreasonable? Seems like a perfectly simple bookkeeping measure.
 
2008-12-16 05:16:31 PM
HunterNIU: Doc Daneeka: Businesses are perfectly within their rights to place whatever restrictions they want in exchange for providing goods or services. Whether that means not accepting pennies, or not accepting bills larger than $20, or whatever. They could opt to only accept silver half-dollars if they wanted to, but they probably wouldn't do a lot of business that way.

What about sex?


Insert coin here??
 
2008-12-16 05:17:07 PM
farm machine: Problem is that some civil servant would be required to expend effort to count the pennies.

3476, 3477, 3478, 3479, 3489

"Hey John, its time for our break."

Slides pennies off desk into bucket.......

15 minutes later........

1, 2, 3, 4, ........ 2755, 2756, 2757

"Hey John, its time for our break."

Slides pennies off desk into bucket........

15 minutes later........

1, 2, 3, 4, ........ 2755, 2756, 2757

"Hey John, its time for our break."

Slides pennies off desk into bucket........

15 minutes later........

1, 2, 3, 4, ........ 2755, 2756, 2757

"Hey John, its time for our break."

Slides pennies off desk into bucket........

15 minutes later........

1, 2, 3, 4, ........ 2755, 2756, 2757

"Hey John, its time for our break."

Slides pennies off desk into bucket........

15 minutes later........

1, 2, 3, 4, ........ 2755, 2756, 2757

"Hey John, its quitting time."

Slides pennies off desk into bucket........

You could see where this might be a problem.


Bank rolled money is 100% accurate. All you have to do is count the rolls.
Even a government slave should be able to manage it.

Being that a bank roll of pennies is 50 cents, that's a few rolls. 112 to be exact.
 
2008-12-16 05:18:56 PM
Clearly this guy is a douchebag. But I'm simply amazed there are people taking the side of the clerk on this.
 
2008-12-16 05:19:21 PM
Why do we still have pennies? So there's something to fill those little trays by cash registers across the country?
 
2008-12-16 05:24:33 PM
This thread is missing something:

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That's better.
 
2008-12-16 05:24:41 PM
SpiderQueenDemon: Who pays five hundred bucks for a hooker?

A guy with $500 ...
 
2008-12-16 05:26:04 PM
swarms909: Why do we still have pennies? So there's something to fill those little trays by cash registers across the country?

For this:
i46.photobucket.com
 
2008-12-16 05:26:33 PM
treesloth: firefly212: She asked him to write his drivers license on the coinage

She did? Where does it say that? The only reference I can find that's in any way like that is, from TFA:

But the 22-year-old said there was a condition -- that he write his driver's license number on each roll.

So, he was never asked to write anything on any currency. He was, presumably, asked to write it on the roll around the coins. A comparable request, then, is to write the DL number on an envelope containing cash. Why is that unreasonable? Seems like a perfectly simple bookkeeping measure.


In fact they'd make that same request if you brought in banded stacks of hundreds to pay a $10,000 fine.
 
2008-12-16 05:27:20 PM
zelet: I think if everybody made paying tickets this big of a pain in the ass the cops/courts/politicians would think twice before issuing tickets.

You DNRTFA, did you?

And no, it wouldn't make the people in charge anything other than pissed off. It's like telling me that if all the kids did their scantrons in red ink, that I'd just give everyone an A. But I won't.

It's still #2 pencil or nothing.
 
2008-12-16 05:29:27 PM
P.S., I'll bet you a donut that the stipulations for payment at that court requires a check or credit card, and that cash can't just be dropped off even if it's bills.

The man has no basis to sue, in that case. I think it's funny he's in trouble.

I won in small claims court 25 years ago and the asshat tried to pay me in pennies, but as he had to pay through the court system, they nixed that idea, thank goodness.
 
2008-12-16 05:30:02 PM
Can someone please post a link to Snopes or the US Treasury?
 
2008-12-16 05:30:02 PM
Kim Jong B Illin: Maybe they are afraid that they are ass pennies (new window)?

Thank you, sir. It's been far too long since I saw that last.
 
2008-12-16 05:30:44 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: And no, it wouldn't make the people in charge anything other than pissed off. It's like telling me that if all the kids did their scantrons in red ink, that I'd just give everyone an A. But I won't.

Not really, because you told them up front the writing method to be accepted.

Pennies are cash.
Cash is accepted.
 
2008-12-16 05:30:44 PM
Authority without citations is pretty lame, even for me, but I recall reading many years ago that only and up to the first 25 cents of a bill/debt can be in pennies and the recipient has the right to demand the rest in "not pennies". As this stunt has been tried before.

I think this is in the USC, but I'm not going to research it, maybe someone can impress us by finding precisely what I'm talking about.
 
2008-12-16 05:33:43 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: P.S., I'll bet you a donut that the stipulations for payment at that court requires a check or credit card, and that cash can't just be dropped off even if it's bills.

The man has no basis to sue, in that case. I think it's funny he's in trouble.

I won in small claims court 25 years ago and the asshat tried to pay me in pennies, but as he had to pay through the court system, they nixed that idea, thank goodness.


And I would bet dollars to donuts that you would be wrong.

FTA:"I went to the bank and got $56 worth of rolled pennies and went down to the court house and they refused to take it. They had told me to bring cash. I was under the assumption this was cash."

So, and I'm just guessing here, but this particular court does indeed accept cash.
 
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