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(WCBStv.com)   Arrest warrant issued for man who legally paid his $56 traffic fine with 112 rolls of pennies   (wcbstv.com) divider line 442
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2008-12-16 03:11:24 PM  
Haoie Quote 2008-12-16 03:08:43 PM
Why do you guys still even have pennies? They should've been removed years ago. Use the metal for something useful.


Such as?
 
2008-12-16 03:11:42 PM  
tbell83: Haha, my town made Fark!

This's one of those things that's just never a good thing when I hear it.
 
2008-12-16 03:11:43 PM  
Mr. Murder: I could understand if he had a ton of pennies in his house, but this asshat went out of his way to go to the bank to get the pennies to pay with. This douchery deserves an ass kicking.

Whatever, maybe the ticket was bogus. Douchery intended to bring light to previous douchery is okay.
 
2008-12-16 03:11:45 PM  
Since I didn't see anything in the article about him protesting the ticket, I'm assuming it was a legit ticket.

He gets a legit ticket, then purposely goes to the bank to get $56 in pennies to pay the fine in. It's not like he only had pennies and rolled them up, he cashed in money to get pennies on purpose.

I'm not saying the teller was right in turning him down, the teller was an idiot and should have just taken the dang pennies. But it's pretty obvious the guy is a self important douche. He pays $90 on the bail fee, he's going to have court costs. All because he couldn't just pay a damn ticket with cash or charge.
 
2008-12-16 03:12:05 PM  
Unless I read the article incorrectly, they would take the pennies. He just had to write his driver's license number on each roll. That is acceptable. The court wants to make sure he is not short changing him by rolling washers or something else. Try taking a bunch of rolls of coins to the bank. I bet you they will make you write your account number on each roll.
 
2008-12-16 03:12:31 PM  
basemetal: When he wins in court and they have to pay court costs and attorney fees, they can pay in pennies. Then the circle will be complete.

I would LOVE to see the look on his face....
 
2008-12-16 03:13:13 PM  
aegis: Unless I read the article incorrectly, they would take the pennies. He just had to write his driver's license number on each roll. That is acceptable. The court wants to make sure he is not short changing him by rolling washers or something else. Try taking a bunch of rolls of coins to the bank. I bet you they will make you write your account number on each roll.

that^
 
2008-12-16 03:13:18 PM  
I'm amazed at how many people think "Legal Tender" means that some place has to accept it as a form of payment. It is perfectly legal to require bills.
 
2008-12-16 03:13:35 PM  
Burning_Monk: dls: Typical government trying to nickel and dime you.

We need change we can believe in.


That is golden.
 
2008-12-16 03:14:38 PM  
I guess we're not in America. I guess now I'm not allowed to pay for sex with pennies.
 
2008-12-16 03:14:45 PM  
MyrnaMinkoff: Mr. Murder: I could understand if he had a ton of pennies in his house, but this asshat went out of his way to go to the bank to get the pennies to pay with. This douchery deserves an ass kicking.

Whatever, maybe the ticket was bogus. Douchery intended to bring light to previous douchery is okay.


If the ticket was bogus, then he should have fought it. You want to make a point, then don't pay it at all. And I am sure he did something to get the ticket in the first place. They don't just hand them out to passers by.
 
2008-12-16 03:15:03 PM  
ihatedumbpeople: Since I didn't see anything in the article about him protesting the ticket, I'm assuming it was a legit ticket.

He gets a legit ticket, then purposely goes to the bank to get $56 in pennies to pay the fine in. It's not like he only had pennies and rolled them up, he cashed in money to get pennies on purpose.

I'm not saying the teller was right in turning him down, the teller was an idiot and should have just taken the dang pennies. But it's pretty obvious the guy is a self important douche. He pays $90 on the bail fee, he's going to have court costs. All because he couldn't just pay a damn ticket with cash or charge. was being a royal douchenozzle


FTFY.
 
2008-12-16 03:15:03 PM  
aegis: Try taking a bunch of rolls of coins to the bank. I bet you they will make you write your account number on each roll.

That's the way it works at my bank. The guy's analogy is false. If he were handing them wads of cash, they'd make him write his DL# on the clip for the same reason. They aren't making him write it on the pennies themselves, which would be the proper analogy for his case. Just on the casing, which, like the cash clip, has no value of its own.
 
2008-12-16 03:15:15 PM  
This guy is an attention whore.

Had they just accepted the pennies and moved on, this douche-bag would have never gotten any attention at all.
 
2008-12-16 03:15:42 PM  
wmoonfox Quote 2008-12-16 03:10:44 PM
It Smee: He'll win in court. Pennies are legal tender for all debts public and private.

No, they aren't. It's a stupid legal caveat, but you won't find the "This note is legal tender for all debts public and private" statement on coins that you will on paper dollars -- likely due to the size of the things. Without that mandate, there is nothing forcing you to accept change as payment in full;



You know, he's right.

gothamist.com


I love a good calzone.
 
2008-12-16 03:15:42 PM  
toonz: aegis: Unless I read the article incorrectly, they would take the pennies. He just had to write his driver's license number on each roll. That is acceptable. The court wants to make sure he is not short changing him by rolling washers or something else. Try taking a bunch of rolls of coins to the bank. I bet you they will make you write your account number on each roll.

that^


No, I have cashed many rolls of change and have never had to write anything on the rolls.
 
2008-12-16 03:16:04 PM  
MaxxLarge: These stupid cops shouldn't be grievin'.
He didn't want to be deceivin'.
Though surely, it's funny,
The penny's still money.
Now THIS is change I can believe in.


Nice
 
2008-12-16 03:16:22 PM  
jamesmusik: I'm amazed at how many people think "Legal Tender" means that some place has to accept it as a form of payment.

I always thought it referred to an 18 year old buxom female.
 
2008-12-16 03:16:51 PM  
Talon: They cannot demand he pay in something other than pennies.

Pennies are legal tender and for debts owed it must be accepted (As opposed to people refusing to accept certain denominations of bills before you accrue any debt).


Read a penny, it is NOT legal tender. It is more of a convenience to make change. Now read a note. It is legal tender
 
2008-12-16 03:17:03 PM  
I think if everybody made paying tickets this big of a pain in the ass the cops/courts/politicians would think twice before issuing tickets.
 
2008-12-16 03:17:13 PM  
What this guy did doesn't make any sense? What was he trying to accomplish? He spent extra time to go to the bank to get pennies when he could have paid with bills. And now he's spending a lot of time with the court, on top of that.

/confused
 
2008-12-16 03:17:17 PM  
hereforethebeer8: toonz: aegis: Unless I read the article incorrectly, they would take the pennies. He just had to write his driver's license number on each roll. That is acceptable. The court wants to make sure he is not short changing him by rolling washers or something else. Try taking a bunch of rolls of coins to the bank. I bet you they will make you write your account number on each roll.

that^

No, I have cashed many rolls of change and have never had to write anything on the rolls.


They could probably tell by the pixels
 
2008-12-16 03:17:21 PM  
According to snopes, no one has to accept your pennies except the Federal Reserve.


"That's it. All this means is that the Federal Reserve System must honor U.S. currency and coins, not necessarily anyone else. U.S. currency and coins can be used for making payments, but merchants do not necessarily have to accept it for all forms of business transactions."
 
2008-12-16 03:17:39 PM  
Mr. Murder: If the ticket was bogus, then he should have fought it. You want to make a point, then don't pay it at all. And I am sure he did something to get the ticket in the first place. They don't just hand them out to passers by.

Maybe he fought it but wasn't able to get it tossed? If you don't pay at all, you wind up with an arrest warrant. I think paying in pennies is a decent way to protest. It's certainly caused a local shiatstorm for them, it seems.
 
2008-12-16 03:17:42 PM  
Barakku: OtherLittleGuy: WCBS went by to get a comment from the court, but as soon as reporters got there, they were told: "Turn the camera off."

Ah, our open society. Wonderful.

No cameras in court rooms...They're wrong though, and he'll win easily.


WRONG. As someone who just took an ethics in Journalism class, the court can NOT summarily order all cameras off. They must show cause as to why the cameras cannot be allowed; more specifically, why they would cause too much of a distraction. I can't recall the name of case right now, but unless the judge wants to go before the judicial review board, he'd better get his head out of his ass. This kind of thing is dealt with rather harshly.
 
2008-12-16 03:18:15 PM  
andyofne: According to snopes, no one has to accept your pennies except the Federal Reserve.


"That's it. All this means is that the Federal Reserve System must honor U.S. currency and coins, not necessarily anyone else. U.S. currency and coins can be used for making payments, but merchants do not necessarily have to accept it for all forms of business transactions."


http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp (new window)
 
2008-12-16 03:18:29 PM  
eddyatwork
DslainteC: Isn't it strange that coppers don't like pennies?

+1


Not really, pennies are 97.5% zinc, 2.5% copper.
 
2008-12-16 03:18:59 PM  
andyofne: According to snopes, no one has to accept your pennies except the Federal Reserve.


"That's it. All this means is that the Federal Reserve System must honor U.S. currency and coins, not necessarily anyone else. U.S. currency and coins can be used for making payments, but merchants do not necessarily have to accept it for all forms of business transactions."


Boo. I have now lost interest.
 
2008-12-16 03:19:01 PM  
zelet: I think if everybody made paying tickets this big of a pain in the ass the cops/courts/politicians would think twice before issuing tickets.

Actually they would most likely respond by issuing more tickets.

fines=revenue

Thanks for playing along though. You can pick up your bucket of fail on the way out.
 
2008-12-16 03:19:08 PM  
mattknows: WRONG. As someone who just took an ethics in Journalism class,

Well, you sound like a Lawyer already.
 
2008-12-16 03:19:16 PM  
Walker: It's legal tender. They better accept it before they end up owing HIM money.



I smell a malicious prosecution lawsuit and a hefty settlement. Do you think they'll pay him in pennies?
 
2008-12-16 03:19:42 PM  
Pocket Ninja

Loved your creative rant as always.

/Are you a professional comedy writer?
//Or are you just glad to be me?
///Just kidding
 
2008-12-16 03:20:08 PM  
I've got my weight in pennies out in the garage, so I'm really getting a kick...

Pennies aren't made out of copper anymore - they're just copper plated zinc. They've been that way since 1982.

$56 in pennies probably weigh around 35 pounds. You can fit about that many into a gallon sized ziploc bag.

Getting that many pennies isn't that much of a problem. Go down to your local Bank of America and ask them for a couple boxes of pennies. You give them $50, and they give you two boxes of pennies.

/I like bright shiny objects!
//I like bright shiny objects!
 
2008-12-16 03:20:08 PM  
libbynomore2: Haoie Quote 2008-12-16 03:08:43 PM
Why do you guys still even have pennies? They should've been removed years ago. Use the metal for something useful.

Such as?


Bullets.


BarrRepublican: I guess we're not in America. I guess now I'm not allowed to pay for sex with pennies.

I see what you did there.

/most of his women are like reverse planetariums.
 
2008-12-16 03:20:37 PM  
Ben did that once. her got a speeding ticket in Policetree City for doing 3 miles over the speed limit on the deserted street in the dead of night.

He had been working on a car and wanted to take it for a test drive and they pulled him over because being he only had it a few days he didn't have a license plate for it yet. They gave him the speeding ticket because they could find nothing else to ticket him for.

He knew the manager of the bank at the time and when he went to take out cash he told the guy what was going on. The bank manager told him "Wait right here" and came back with $75 in rolled pennies.

Ben took them home, unrolled them and put all the loose pennies in a glass fish bowl. He left it in the back seat and went in to see if they accepted cash first then when they said yes he went and got it.

/not ass hattery, just giving the police tree City pigs what they deserve.
//Seriously, they will pull you over if you have an old or ugly car.
 
2008-12-16 03:20:46 PM  
IIRC, the reason he was asked to sign the rolls is because if one or more turns out to be less than 50¢ he can be reached to pay the difference.
 
2008-12-16 03:21:05 PM  
The United States Coinage Act of 1965 states (in part):

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.



Wiki-link (new window)

So yes, coins are legal tender
 
2008-12-16 03:21:14 PM  
I wonder what charges the arrest warrant was based on?
 
2008-12-16 03:22:02 PM  
libbynomore2: Haoie Quote 2008-12-16 03:08:43 PM
Why do you guys still even have pennies? They should've been removed years ago. Use the metal for something useful.

Such as?


Making a metal bat to beat the dumbass who got a warrant issued for the guy. What are they going to do, arrest him for unlawful attempt to pay a fine?
 
2008-12-16 03:22:03 PM  
andyofne: andyofne: According to snopes, no one has to accept your pennies except the Federal Reserve.


"That's it. All this means is that the Federal Reserve System must honor U.S. currency and coins, not necessarily anyone else. U.S. currency and coins can be used for making payments, but merchants do not necessarily have to accept it for all forms of business transactions."

http://www.snopes.com/business/money/pennies.asp (new window)


I think he will likely still win in court, and probably get legal fees reimbursed.

/stupid ass cops
 
2008-12-16 03:22:14 PM  
half-mad-genius: Ben did that once. her got a speeding ticket in Policetree City for doing 3 miles over the speed limit on the deserted street in the dead of night.

He had been working on a car and wanted to take it for a test drive and they pulled him over because being he only had it a few days he didn't have a license plate for it yet. They gave him the speeding ticket because they could find nothing else to ticket him for.

He knew the manager of the bank at the time and when he went to take out cash he told the guy what was going on. The bank manager told him "Wait right here" and came back with $75 in rolled pennies.

Ben took them home, unrolled them and put all the loose pennies in a glass fish bowl. He left it in the back seat and went in to see if they accepted cash first then when they said yes he went and got it.

/not ass hattery, just giving the police tree City pigs what they deserve.
//Seriously, they will pull you over if you have an old or ugly car.


That's a great story. Do you have any other works of fiction that you would like to share?
 
2008-12-16 03:23:07 PM  
Actually, andyofne, that seemed to be saying that individual persons or businesses can refuse any payment. Does that apply to local governments? I need law-help from a law-person.
 
2008-12-16 03:23:09 PM  
atheist1295: Walker: It's legal tender. They better accept it before they end up owing HIM money.

I smell a malicious prosecution lawsuit and a hefty settlement. Do you think they'll pay him in pennies?


That would be awesome.
 
2008-12-16 03:23:36 PM  
I kind of like pennies. Every once in awhile I'll get a wheatback in good condition. They can be worth more than itself. Sure a nickel for a penny is sorta goofy but heck, it's still cool. And have you ever had the tin ones!? Those are so rare it's ridiculous and are worth quite a bit. I always go through my change before I run it through one of those coin-counting machines at the store. Every once in awhile a wheatback here, an buffalo nickel there, you name it.

/ I haven't seen a Kennedy half-dollar in decades though, where'd those go?
 
2008-12-16 03:23:50 PM  
This guy is tying up the court system because he wants to pay his parking ticket in pennies? Really? If I was a taxpayer in that area, I would certainly let this drama queen know how I feel. Pay your farking fine in a way that doesn't require some clerk to count out 5,600 pennies and stop parking next to the hydrant, you self-righteous douche. Like the courts don't have enough to take care of without idiots like this throwing a tizzy. Way to spend all your neighbors' taxes, moran.
 
2008-12-16 03:24:00 PM  
half-mad-genius: /not ass hattery, just giving the police tree City pigs what they deserve.
//Seriously, they will pull you over if you have an old or ugly car.



Except that it is ass-hattery as the cops aren't the ones that count it.

Luckily nowadays machines do, so it's not an inconvenience for anyone really.
 
2008-12-16 03:24:02 PM  
Talon: They cannot demand he pay in something other than pennies.

Pennies are legal tender and for debts owed it must be accepted (As opposed to people refusing to accept certain denominations of bills before you accrue any debt).


They can demand that he count it out. That is what I would have done if I were the person that waited on him. Then after he completed counting every single penny I would have said he was incorrect and make him count it out again.

I really hate douchebags that do shiat like this. They think they are sticking it to the man but in fact are just being assholes to some low level employee. Then people wonder why these low level government employees are assholes themselves. They become disillusioned after dealing with shiatheads day in and day out.

Also, the reason they made him write his drivers license number on each roll is because they have no guarantee that he actually put enough pennies in each roll. Any institution that accepts penny rolls will require you do this.
 
2008-12-16 03:24:12 PM  
This note is legal tender....doesn't mean anyone has to accept it. Sorry folks it's just not the law. Try paying rent in cash to most larger landlords. They won't accept it.

Snopes.com:Link (new window)

/read down a few paragraphs.
 
2008-12-16 03:24:22 PM  
US Coinage
Penny Standard weight 2.5 grams
Nickel Standard weight 5.0 grams
Dime Standard weight 2.268 grams
Quarter Standard weight 5.670 grams

http://www.finishing.com/112/84.shtml

Can anyone confirm?
 
2008-12-16 03:24:36 PM  
DeRosso: The United States Coinage Act of 1965 states (in part):

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.


Wiki-link (new window)

So yes, coins are legal tender


No they are not because they can be refused unlike notes. If you use Wikipedia as a reference you automatically lose points. Quote a real source, not something like wiki
 
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