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(NY Observer)   Steve Soderbergh unveils his Che movie: "Down towards the front of the theater, a 26-year-old culinary student, who like many in attendance, was in a Che T-shirt, was passing the time reading a Bible"   (observer.com) divider line 49
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2008-12-15 09:36:49 AM
I want to see that movie
 
2008-12-15 10:35:38 AM
FTA: one audience member screamed that Che was a murderer while others shouted him down, calling him a revolutionary (yet another shouted "Go to Miami!")

Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.
 
2008-12-15 11:01:40 AM
I wonder if any of the stuff shirts at this screening had any concept that Che would have gunned them down as the bourgois pigs that they are.
 
2008-12-15 11:06:40 AM
lexnaturalis: FTA: one audience member screamed that Che was a murderer while others shouted him down, calling him a revolutionary (yet another shouted "Go to Miami!")

Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.



Yeah, but you say that like being a murderer and a thug is a bad thing.
 
2008-12-15 11:09:41 AM
FTA: "I wish I had better seats, though," Mr. Nuñez said.

That's the problem, everyone always wants better seats.
 
2008-12-15 11:57:32 AM
lexnaturalis: FTA: one audience member screamed that Che was a murderer while others shouted him down, calling him a revolutionary (yet another shouted "Go to Miami!")

Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.


That exchange puzzled me as well. He was a revolutionary, but his disregard for human life, both of the civilian and military varieties, also makes him a murderer and, in my mind, a shiathead.
 
2008-12-15 01:47:18 PM
Anyone who admires that douche is deranged.
 
2008-12-15 01:47:48 PM
JimmyCarter'sSecondTerm: I want to see that movie

I'd prefer to read the Old Testament
 
2008-12-15 01:50:36 PM
Humean_Nature: lexnaturalis: FTA: one audience member screamed that Che was a murderer while others shouted him down, calling him a revolutionary (yet another shouted "Go to Miami!")

Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.

That exchange puzzled me as well. He was a revolutionary, but his disregard for human life, both of the civilian and military varieties, also makes him a murderer and, in my mind, a shiathead.


In certain, rather dumb, circles, being a revolutionary excuses all activities, no matter how evil, done in the revolution's name.

Nevermind that those evils tend to make them worse than the usually awful regimes they are trying to replace.

/The first Persepolis book has a good discussion about this.
 
2008-12-15 01:51:09 PM
Sounds like a troll.
 
2008-12-15 01:52:34 PM
This article seems to have accurately portrayed the sheer lunacy of people who would go watch a Che movie wearing a Che shirt and then hang around talking about how awesome Che is.

Seriously... wtf.
 
2008-12-15 01:52:47 PM
lexnaturalis
Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.

what are you talking about? I'm not aware of a single self-respecting army in the world who did not have permission to shoot deserters. I guess you only count it as a murderous rampage when done by organizations not of your own.
 
2008-12-15 01:54:07 PM
Isn't it interesting how Che is mainly represented by the one thing he hated most, Capitalism!
 
2008-12-15 01:54:41 PM
T.rex: lexnaturalis
Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.

what are you talking about? I'm not aware of a single self-respecting army in the world who did not have permission to shoot deserters. I guess you only count it as a murderous rampage when done by organizations not of your own.


He tortured and killed civilians without trial (proclaiming them unnecessary) while part of Castro's regime.
 
2008-12-15 02:06:00 PM
luidprand: T.rex: lexnaturalis
Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.

what are you talking about? I'm not aware of a single self-respecting army in the world who did not have permission to shoot deserters. I guess you only count it as a murderous rampage when done by organizations not of your own.

He tortured and killed civilians without trial (proclaiming them unnecessary) while part of Castro's regime.


Why does every revolutionary believe that he is the ultimate revolutionary?

Shouldn't the revolutionary, in the spirit of revolution, invite his countrymen to overthrow him?
 
2008-12-15 02:12:08 PM
luidprand
He tortured and killed civilians without trial (proclaiming them unnecessary) while part of Castro's regime

Sounds like you are convicting him of crimes, in lieu of HIM having a trial.
 
2008-12-15 02:13:14 PM
These people might as well be wearing Hitler t-shirts.
 
2008-12-15 02:14:33 PM
radioman_: Anyone who admires that douche is deranged.

I'd have to agree.
 
2008-12-15 02:15:20 PM
Che Guevara stole all his songs from the old blues men who did not receive a single cent in royalties!
 
2008-12-15 02:21:30 PM
T.rex: luidprand
He tortured and killed civilians without trial (proclaiming them unnecessary) while part of Castro's regime

Sounds like you are convicting him of crimes, in lieu of HIM having a trial.


Someone is trying WAY too hard to troll. At least try to have a legitimate point before trying to force an argument.
 
2008-12-15 02:24:26 PM
Jewronimo: Isn't it interesting how Che is mainly represented by the one thing he hated most, Capitalism!

www.thoseshirts.com

oh and...

www.thoseshirts.com
 
2008-12-15 02:31:17 PM
vonster: These people might as well be wearing Hitler t-shirts.

Or displaying icons of St Josef Stalin (new window)
 
2008-12-15 02:37:26 PM
www.givememyremote.com
/Vince has no comment

Hollywood repeating Hollywood, with the same classic Hollywood fail?

Ain't that an epic fail if there was one!

\were the writers of Entourage just preemptively calling these clowns out?
 
2008-12-15 02:38:44 PM
What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?
 
2008-12-15 03:09:55 PM
RalphW: What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?

like children playing soccer: no plan, just a mob chasing a ball around trying to kick it.
 
2008-12-15 03:15:14 PM
What if you're an honest to God communist? Then is it okay to idolize Che? Mind you, I'm not an honest to God communist, but I had a teacher in High School that was openly red. I'm sure he's not too excited about this movie, if they're going to portray Che as he really was.

/He was actually a cool guy and really good teacher, he just...thought differently than us
 
2008-12-15 03:22:59 PM
Moron reading the bible. Ugh...its the same as the un-informed people who have heard the crap put out by your government about ANY revolutionary. It's always the same crap to discourage that type of behavior here.

I'm not saying I admire or even like Ernesto "Che" Guevara. But at least I've done my research. It's called reading, you do a lot of it in college, and sometimes...you might even do it for fun.
 
2008-12-15 03:24:40 PM
mooseyfate: What if you're an honest to God communist? Then is it okay to idolize Che? Mind you, I'm not an honest to God communist, but I had a teacher in High School that was openly red. I'm sure he's not too excited about this movie, if they're going to portray Che as he really was.

/He was actually a cool guy and really good teacher, he just...thought differently than us


Yes, he thought murdering children and executing people without a trial was a good thing. Real cool.
 
2008-12-15 03:34:44 PM
KiesteredBeetle: mooseyfate: What if you're an honest to God communist? Then is it okay to idolize Che? Mind you, I'm not an honest to God communist, but I had a teacher in High School that was openly red. I'm sure he's not too excited about this movie, if they're going to portray Che as he really was.

/He was actually a cool guy and really good teacher, he just...thought differently than us

Yes, he thought murdering children and executing people without a trial was a good thing. Real cool.


mooseyfate is referring to the teacher, not Che. Reading comprehension; not yours.
 
2008-12-15 03:43:02 PM
Che was a complete piece of crap.

But isn't it great we live in a free country where it's free to make a movie about a horrible person and not get censored.

Lets take a moment to enjoy free speech. Then lets troll all the Che loving moonbats until they drop their airbooks and leave Starbucks in a sniffly huff.
 
2008-12-15 03:43:24 PM
From what I heard, the movie doesn't idolize Che but tells the parts of his life in (essentially) two movies. Say what you will about the man, you can't tell me he isn't a fascinating person and that someone wouldn't (or shouldn't) want to make a movie about.

As for the rest, American history books I had when growing up don't judge men like Jefferson and Washington for owning slaves. If they mentioned it at all. They judged them for their contribution to history. We gloss over the military and intelligence companies building and backing dictators who ravaged their nations. But not Che. Not someone who stood against the CIA and their little dictators the world over. Was he as bad as the problem he was working against? Yes. But without men like Che, without the spilling of blood (right or wrong), revolutions would never succeed.
 
2008-12-15 04:00:54 PM
RalphW: What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?

Um...there is a new four and a half hour movie out about the bastard by a major director. I dislike Che and the whole Che fascination but as least try to get that the thread didn't spontaneously generate for no reason.
 
2008-12-15 04:07:34 PM
DavidKirkBeale: KiesteredBeetle: mooseyfate: What if you're an honest to God communist? Then is it okay to idolize Che? Mind you, I'm not an honest to God communist, but I had a teacher in High School that was openly red. I'm sure he's not too excited about this movie, if they're going to portray Che as he really was.

/He was actually a cool guy and really good teacher, he just...thought differently than us

Yes, he thought murdering children and executing people without a trial was a good thing. Real cool.

mooseyfate is referring to the teacher, not Che. Reading comprehension; not yours.


But, hey, atleast he was a dick about it.=)

Mangoose: From what I heard, the movie doesn't idolize Che but tells the parts of his life in (essentially) two movies. Say what you will about the man, you can't tell me he isn't a fascinating person and that someone wouldn't (or shouldn't) want to make a movie about.

As for the rest, American history books I had when growing up don't judge men like Jefferson and Washington for owning slaves. If they mentioned it at all. They judged them for their contribution to history. We gloss over the military and intelligence companies building and backing dictators who ravaged their nations. But not Che. Not someone who stood against the CIA and their little dictators the world over. Was he as bad as the problem he was working against? Yes. But without men like Che, without the spilling of blood (right or wrong), revolutions would never succeed.


I think it's kinda sad that in this day and age, the Latin American countries, especially South America, still have so much unrest in them. Those that do idolize Che probably don't do it because he played judge, jury, and executioner to thousands for no real reason, they probably idolize him because he had passion. And when you look at the political climate of nearly all Latin American countries, they seem to run on corruption and passion. One is always trying to silence the other, and as a result, millions suffer. Atleast, that's the way my ignorant capitalist pig-eyes see it. I've never lived and fought for something I believed in, so I've got nothing to base that on.
 
2008-12-15 04:09:26 PM
gshepnyc: RalphW: What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?

Um...there is a new four and a half hour movie out about the bastard by a major director. I dislike Che and the whole Che fascination but as least try to get that the thread didn't spontaneously generate for no reason.


Translation: I didn't rent him shoes, dude. I didn't buy him a beer, he's not taking your turn, dude.

/farking dog has farking papers
 
2008-12-15 04:41:10 PM
mooseyfate: I think it's kinda sad that in this day and age, the Latin American countries, especially South America, still have so much unrest in them. Those that do idolize Che probably don't do it because he played judge, jury, and executioner to thousands for no real reason, they probably idolize him because he had passion. And when you look at the political climate of nearly all Latin American countries, they seem to run on corruption and passion. One is always trying to silence the other, and as a result, millions suffer. Atleast, that's the way my ignorant capitalist pig-eyes see it. I've never lived and fought for something I believed in, so I've got nothing to base that on.

It's weird for me to think about fighting for what I call freedom. I'm so removed (at least I think I am) from having to do anything of the sort. We go to court to protect our freedom. That's how we do it now. But back then, it really was fight or be farked. Let's face it, most of us choose to be farked (or let someone else be farked) and surely must resent anyone who choose to fight.

To your point, I think a lot of people must hate Che in the US not because of an ideological difference and not because he killed people but because there is no way that things like the US backing of Latin American dictators can make us feel good about, or maintain a vision of, our past that has been built since childhood. But that's just a lot of me putting words in people's mouth.
 
2008-12-15 04:56:23 PM
RalphW: What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?

There are certain hot button issues that piss people off around here. They are but certainly not limited to the following:

Climate change
domestic autos
bush
gas prices
your favorite band/beer/tv show
american football vs soccer
f1 vs nascar vs whether or not either of them is a sport
abortion
circumcision
religion
fraternities
che
ps3/xbox 360/wii
TF vs liter
 
2008-12-15 05:00:53 PM
Che Guevara is basically Darth Vader without the moment of redemption at the end. Started out noble, but it went downhill really fast.

//There are people who idolize Darth Vader, too. Interestingly, though the person is less fictional in Che's case, the people involved spend just as much time in an imaginary world of pure fantasy.
 
2008-12-15 05:02:51 PM
lexnaturalis:
Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.


Somebody should throw a shoe at him.
 
2008-12-15 05:38:51 PM
TFA: One audience member screamed that Che was a murderer while others shouted him down, calling him a revolutionary (yet another shouted "Go to Miami!")

Ugh... I don't care about your opinions. Just allow people to watch the farking movie.
 
2008-12-15 06:27:33 PM
I loved him in Evita.
 
2008-12-15 06:49:15 PM
Elijah Wood was at a film festival this past week that a bunch of my friends attended. According to them, his reaction was "That movie's way too long."

FRODO SAID THE MOVIE'S TOO farkING LONG!!

Seriously, it's 4 1/2 hours of Che wandering around doing nothing, and then some random gunfire, then he wanders around some more, then gunfire, then he wanders around coughing, then the movie's over.
 
2008-12-15 07:02:05 PM
I do love seeing kids in Che shirts but don't know the first thing about him - only that the shirt is cool, it makes them hip and he was supposed to be some revolutionary.
 
2008-12-15 10:55:06 PM
luidprand: T.rex: lexnaturalis
Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.

what are you talking about? I'm not aware of a single self-respecting army in the world who did not have permission to shoot deserters. I guess you only count it as a murderous rampage when done by organizations not of your own.

He tortured and killed civilians without trial (proclaiming them unnecessary) while part of Castro's regime.


And when he was caught he ratted out everyone else to try and save his own skin, thank god he was show by nationals before the CIA got a hold of him, he would still be in prison and a folk hero.

Che was a little pussy who talked tough but in the end sold everyone out to try and save himself, anyone that thinks he is remotely admirable should be removed from the gene pool.

Bag of Hammers: lexnaturalis:
Well, Che was a murderer and a thug. Being a revolutionary doesn't negate his murderous rampages.

Somebody should throw a shoe at him.


Compared to Che, Bush is a farking saint.
 
2008-12-15 10:57:12 PM
Abstruse: Elijah Wood was at a film festival this past week that a bunch of my friends attended. According to them, his reaction was "That movie's way too long."

FRODO SAID THE MOVIE'S TOO farkING LONG!!

Seriously, it's 4 1/2 hours of Che wandering around doing nothing, and then some random gunfire, then he wanders around some more, then gunfire, then he wanders around coughing, then the movie's over.


Did it show him at the end of his life crying like a little girl giving up everyone in the so-called movement to save his life? I am willing to bet not, I bet it showed him being murdered and in a positive light. Its what makes hollywood a fantasy.
 
2008-12-15 11:21:20 PM
Mangoose: From what I heard, the movie doesn't idolize Che but tells the parts of his life in (essentially) two movies. Say what you will about the man, you can't tell me he isn't a fascinating person and that someone wouldn't (or shouldn't) want to make a movie about.

As for the rest, American history books I had when growing up don't judge men like Jefferson and Washington for owning slaves. If they mentioned it at all. They judged them for their contribution to history. We gloss over the military and intelligence companies building and backing dictators who ravaged their nations. But not Che. Not someone who stood against the CIA and their little dictators the world over. Was he as bad as the problem he was working against? Yes. But without men like Che, without the spilling of blood (right or wrong), revolutions would never succeed.


He is closer to Jim Jones than he is to jefferson or washington, that is a terrible comparison.
 
2008-12-16 08:11:00 AM
Malachilenomade: I do love seeing kids in Che shirts but don't know the first thing about him - only that the shirt is cool, it makes them hip and he was supposed to be some revolutionary.

Closest thing I've got to a Che shirt is Peter Griffin as Che, and that one obviously has it's humor value, not pseudo-edgy "Look at me, I'm pretending to revolt against...something...umm...somewhere" value.
 
2008-12-17 10:24:02 AM
mooseyfate: gshepnyc: RalphW: What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?

Um...there is a new four and a half hour movie out about the bastard by a major director. I dislike Che and the whole Che fascination but as least try to get that the thread didn't spontaneously generate for no reason.

Translation: I didn't rent him shoes, dude. I didn't buy him a beer, he's not taking your turn, dude.

/farking dog has farking papers


I love replies that have nothing to do with the post. Reminds me to go do something more worthwhile for a bit.
 
2008-12-17 11:10:32 AM
gshepnyc: mooseyfate: gshepnyc: RalphW: What is Fark's sudden fascination with all things Che?

Um...there is a new four and a half hour movie out about the bastard by a major director. I dislike Che and the whole Che fascination but as least try to get that the thread didn't spontaneously generate for no reason.

Translation: I didn't rent him shoes, dude. I didn't buy him a beer, he's not taking your turn, dude.

/farking dog has farking papers

I love replies that have nothing to do with the post. Reminds me to go do something more worthwhile for a biatchrist people are humorless dicks on Fark lately. What's with the surplus of vagina sand this week?

/if you can't draw the correlation between Walter bringing the dog bowling and The Dude's reaction to it and Fark having almost-daily Che threads and Ralph's reaction to it, I won't try to walk you through it
//It wasn't a particularly funny joke/referrence, but it's not like I was fishing for lols.
 
2008-12-18 05:01:18 PM
Mangoose: From what I heard, the movie doesn't idolize Che but tells the parts of his life in (essentially) two movies. Say what you will about the man, you can't tell me he isn't a fascinating person and that someone wouldn't (or shouldn't) want to make a movie about.

As for the rest, American history books I had when growing up don't judge men like Jefferson and Washington for owning slaves. If they mentioned it at all. They judged them for their contribution to history. We gloss over the military and intelligence companies building and backing dictators who ravaged their nations. But not Che. Not someone who stood against the CIA and their little dictators the world over. Was he as bad as the problem he was working against? Yes. But without men like Che, without the spilling of blood (right or wrong), revolutions would never succeed.


Ghandi would disagree.

/the right way is called Satyagraha
//not the same thing as passive resistance
 
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