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2008-12-13 01:41:47 AM  
In related news, Gawker just learned what "internship" means.
 
2008-12-13 01:48:56 AM  
A forty hour a week internship? Who is stupid enough to attempt that? That goes beyond college level interning and segues into utter stupidity.
 
2008-12-13 01:50:23 AM  
Guntram Shatterhand: A forty hour a week internship? Who is stupid enough to attempt that? That goes beyond college level interning and segues into utter stupidity.

I've seen graduate internships that were full-time. It happens. Depends on how desperate you are, and what you think you can get out of it. The Atlantic gig sounds like a pretty good resume builder.
 
2008-12-13 01:58:31 AM  
The content has been dumbed down over the past few months, I enjoyed deep articles of the unknown (to me). The article on nuclear trading in Georgia months before the invasion got me to renew my subscription but I don;t see that happening next year.
 
2008-12-13 02:12:16 AM  
Guntram Shatterhand: A forty hour a week internship? Who is stupid enough to attempt that? That goes beyond college level interning and segues into utter stupidity.

Apparently you've never heard of summer internship programs. The ones in law-related fields damn sure exceed 40 a week. Hell, I've seen some in biology and geology that wouldn't come in under 40.
 
2008-12-13 02:12:39 AM  
With the possibility of a chance of getting hired after, you'd be crazy not to accept!
 
2008-12-13 02:40:37 AM  
Guntram Shatterhand: A forty hour a week internship? Who is stupid enough to attempt that? That goes beyond college level interning and segues into utter stupidity.

I had a >40-hour/week internship. It was summer. That's all I did all summer. It paid great too.
 
2008-12-13 03:13:00 AM  
As a judicial intern after my first year of law school, the judge allowed me to only work 30 hours/week unpaid because I held down a second job and she felt sorry for me.

It was a blessing compared to some of my classmates.
 
2008-12-13 03:13:02 AM  
I've never considered that an internship of any value would be paid. I thought paid internships were for "first in my family to go to college" types.
 
2008-12-13 03:16:36 AM  
I_Hate_Iowa: Guntram Shatterhand: A forty hour a week internship? Who is stupid enough to attempt that? That goes beyond college level interning and segues into utter stupidity.

I had a >40-hour/week internship. It was summer. That's all I did all summer. It paid great too.


Eh...w/ media-based jobs, you don't really have a choice. Unfortunately, the demand for those jobs is greater than the supply so many media companies can simply whore out the interns for cheap labor.

I was a production assistant for ESPN Radio, and they make no bones about it. 75% of the PAs quit or are fired within six months in Bristol, and it's a damned shame. That stat is actually documented in ESPN's 25th Anniversary coffee book table. If you want to work badly enough in the business, you end up not getting paid for your training AND you have to schedule your training around somebody else's schedule. It's really a sham of an industry.

I was fortunate that I wrote pretty well, and was able to last about a year. I was offered a full-time entry-level gig over at ESPN.com but turned it down and left the media permanently. I now have a job that's nowhere near as glamourous, but pays me enough to afford an apt in Austin for working 45-50 hrs a week as compared to the 70 hrs and 3 jobs I was pulling in Connecticut.
 
2008-12-13 03:31:41 AM  
1. After a couple years of working for student newspapers, I learned that love of the job is its own reward, 'cause baby, the pay is neither good nor timely.

2. The trouble with slave armies is that (one) you need a large enough number to be an army and (two) they have to be trained to be effective. Unless given the chance to not be slaves, all slave armies revolt. See Spartacus for an example.
 
2008-12-13 04:18:49 AM  
the internet is a shiatty way to inform the public, since articles get sanitized really quickly. One good example is the articles that appeared on a Sunday afternoon recently about US forces attacking a building in Syria and killing some terrorist/building contractor and his family. They were different articles by Sunday night. The idea of a public record, and therefore democracy, is really f*cked up without print.
 
2008-12-13 04:59:34 AM  
My grad student stipend... let me try to show it to you.

/Someone got a magnifying glass?
//Demand-driven employment is a biatch.
///Just make sure to kill yourself for something you believe in.
 
2008-12-13 08:41:57 AM  
MacEnvy: In related news, Gawker just learned what "internship" means.

I think anything under $15/hour for internship is an insult.

/Unless housing is included
//15 is still real low
 
2008-12-13 08:48:14 AM  
I feel like my IQ dropped 50 points while reading that.

And considering I'm on Fark a lot, that's saying something!
 
2008-12-13 09:07:14 AM  
At least they're not wage slaves!
 
2008-12-13 09:47:15 AM  
Oh, and! For free, you should be willing and able to do the following things:

-pick up coffee and bagels
-order lunch
-fetch drycleaning
-when my wife calls for the 10th time tell her for the 10th time I am in a meeting
-babysit my kids when I bring their sick asses to work
-wash my wife's car
-polish my shoes
-clean the Saltine crumbs from my keyboard every third day
-clean my personal bathroom
-fire my secretary
-hire new secretary

These are just some of the things I had to do as an intern at a radio station. The program director/station manager used the interns as personal labor. The cool thing was 5 years later in a different city I was hired as a program director and my first task was to fire the old one, who just happened to be my former slave master.
 
2008-12-13 10:05:16 AM  
it shouldn't be any surprise to journalism students that they are asked to work for free.

when they graduate, their pay won't be much better.

/that's why I got a jobby-job in sales instead, and make way more money than you
 
2008-12-13 10:10:59 AM  
SuperCatBarf
I've never considered that an internship of any value would be paid. I thought paid internships were for "first in my family to go to college" types
the friends and relatives of the VP.

FIXED.

If you're in PR or marketing or some related field you can get paid internships, doing somewhat real work. For now, at least. But to work in actual media, particularly TV (and probably radio, large magazines, etc.) you're pretty much getting coffee, filing and photocopying and all the other crap jobs no one else wants to do for free all day in exchange for the chance to put the company name on your resume at the end. The paid jobs went to VP's kids, etc.

/interning in the media is a waste of time. Better to build better skills in a related industry, get paid and spend your time making friends in the area you want to get into.
 
2008-12-13 10:27:25 AM  
I pulled a 32 hour internship (unpaid, mind you) on top of a second job on the weekend for 16 hours. So all in all this summer I was working 48 hours and getting paid for 16. I barely had enough for bus fair and a lunch for that week (I pulled roughly a hundred bucks for that week). Living on a 100 bucks a week is rough. I don't think I could have hacked 40 hours and then a second job.
 
2008-12-13 10:46:37 AM  
It's a greedy exploitive scam, just like the proliferation of underpaid illegal immigrant workers. No different.
Why is no one cracking down on illegal immigrants? Duh, the same reason they allow slave interns.

Greedy rich scumbags.

The business world's foundation.
 
2008-12-13 11:42:15 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: Apparently you've never heard of summer internship programs. The ones in law-related fields damn sure exceed 40 a week.

Not true. Firm internships are actually pretty easy. A lot of your time is spent screwing around, and you get paid first-year associate pay. I don't know anyone, firm or not, who was stressed out by their summer legal internships.


If you ever find yourself working a paid summer internship for more than 40 hours a week, and you don't want a reference, you should ask them toward the end about all the overtime you've been working.
 
2008-12-13 01:56:40 PM  
Drew has them beat - he gets $5 per month from the content slaves.
 
2008-12-13 04:03:34 PM  
My brother is a CompSci major at RIT. As part of their co-op program(read "required internships for school credit"), he has to do one trimester a year. His first year, he went to Lehman Bros, getting paid $25/hour for 40 hour weeks doing semi-real work. For his second year, he went to Bear Sterns, getting $25/hour again. (On an unrelated note, I blame him entirely for the untimely demise of both firms). This year, he is at some startup in Cali getting $30/hour, room and board included. Another friend at RIT did so well at his co-op that the defense contractor he was interning for hired him for $40 an hour, plus they're paying his tuition for two classes a trimester so he can eventually get his degree.

Anyway, the point of this story is all you unpaid interns are getting the shaft.
 
2008-12-14 01:39:29 AM  
I_Hate_Iowa: Guntram Shatterhand: A forty hour a week internship? Who is stupid enough to attempt that? That goes beyond college level interning and segues into utter stupidity.

I had a >40-hour/week internship. It was summer. That's all I did all summer. It paid great too.


I had an internship at a biotech company that had 40 hr work weeks, paid 18hr, and didn't care if you took an hour and half powerlunch at the local tavern.
 
2008-12-14 01:59:37 PM  
Do these retards really not realize that a great many internships these days are unpaid? And that when you intern at a place with name recognition/prestige, you gladly do it for free simply because of what it adds to your resume?

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