The economy will most definitely get worse. Obama is soon to be the President. His socialist programs will kill off everyone's desire to work. Why work when you can just leech off the system?

jcooli09: Xerxes99:
/Goodluck... On a side note try finding a Obamaton who can tell you why they voted for him aside from spewing that tired mantra "change, change change..."

Like much of the right wing, you're prohecting your own tendancy to worship a personality cult onto your betters who actually made a decision about who to vote for.

I originally supported Obama because I felt he was the most likely to get us out of Iraq.

I also appreciated the fact that his political ads were much less likely to talk about the other guy, lie, and try to use manipulation of fear and other base emotions in order to fool the stupid into voting for him.

His positions were much more specifically stated than his opponents, and made a lot more sense.

He seems to know what the words "socialist" and "marxist" mean, unlike his opposition.

He seems intelligent enough to know that, when confronting a difficult and complex problem, it is neccessary to occassionally review progress and adapt plans to new data.

He did not pick a shallow, posing, rigid minded housewife with visions of a christian utopia as a running mate. He also is not a multiple melonoma survivor.

The bush tax cuts have transferred wealth from the poor and middle class for several years and must be stopped before the middle class is gone. Obama seemed the most likely to change this trend.

Obama did not make drastic changes to his stands and charactor after the 2000 elections.

Should I go on?

All points except the underlined are good points. I've been against Bush's tax cuts because of the deficit, but your little conspiracy theory there is the dumbest thing I've read on fark today. Props for mixing that in with several good points. I guess the smart go with the retarded sometimes.

wolvernova: All points except the underlined are good points. I've been against Bush's tax cuts because of the deficit, but your little conspiracy theory there is the dumbest thing I've read on fark today. Props for mixing that in with several good points. I guess the smart go with the retarded sometimes.

you should look at the wealth distribution changes that took place afterward. that point is completely true.

it's not a conspiracy, but it is economic truth.

rufus-t-firefly: Darconix:

Oh man... I missed that little gem. What a farking idiot.

Semi-Sane: The economy will most definitely get worse. Obama is soon to be the President. His socialist programs will kill off everyone's desire to work. Why work when you can just leech off the system?

Conservatives are lazy.

burndtdan: you should look at the wealth distribution changes that took place afterward. that point is completely true.

it's not a conspiracy, but it is economic truth.

What's that distribution today? Any recent studies since the market crash? I'd imagine that gap has dropped quite a bit.

/genuinely curious

wolvernova:
All points except the underlined are good points. I've been against Bush's tax cuts because of the deficit, but your little conspiracy theory there is the dumbest thing I've read on fark today. Props for mixing that in with several good points. I guess the smart go with the retarded sometimes.

It's actually true, the income of the top 10% earners in the country has increased signifiantly more than those in the lower brackets, as expressed as a percentage of income.

The same held true for assets, although I don't remember the numbers and it wasn't as pronounced. Those with the most got more, those with the least lost asset value. This was before the crash, though, so probably everybody has seen losses now.

burndtdan: wolvernova: All points except the underlined are good points. I've been against Bush's tax cuts because of the deficit, but your little conspiracy theory there is the dumbest thing I've read on fark today. Props for mixing that in with several good points. I guess the smart go with the retarded sometimes.

you should look at the wealth distribution changes that took place afterward. that point is completely true.

it's not a conspiracy, but it is economic truth.

By all means linky if it is.

I've heard many reasons for a shift of wealth, marginal tax cuts for everybody excluded. It just sounds like a convenient bullshiat libtard theory that the cuts somehow shifted massive amounts of wealth. Not least of all since the tax cuts fell: a) between two massive bubbles, and b) between two recessions. There's a whole lot more going on than stupid tax cuts.

On the flip side, any conservatards who say the tax cuts created jobs or spurred spending are just as stupid as the libtards that say it shifted wealth from lower class (what farking wealth??) to upper class.

some_wild-eyed_8-foot_tall_maniac: rufus-t-firefly: Darconix:

Oh man... I missed that little gem. What a farking idiot.

The best part is when he runs to the mods crying about it.

'They called me out on my BS! WAHHHH!! NOT FAIR!'

Hey! Let's drive around in our Audi A4s and suck each other's dicks!

jcooli09: wolvernova:
All points except the underlined are good points. I've been against Bush's tax cuts because of the deficit, but your little conspiracy theory there is the dumbest thing I've read on fark today. Props for mixing that in with several good points. I guess the smart go with the retarded sometimes.

It's actually true, the income of the top 10% earners in the country has increased signifiantly more than those in the lower brackets, as expressed as a percentage of income.

The same held true for assets, although I don't remember the numbers and it wasn't as pronounced. Those with the most got more, those with the least lost asset value. This was before the crash, though, so probably everybody has seen losses now.

That doesn't mean that tax cuts created the shift in wealth. To the best of my knowledge, this b.s. theory would have to dismiss the fact that the shift in wealth also occurred during times before Bush's tax cuts too.

So far I have only heard two farkers say "it's true" without anything to back it up. Causation

wolvernova:

On the flip side, any conservatards who say the tax cuts created jobs or spurred spending are just as stupid as the libtards that say it shifted wealth from lower class (what farking wealth??) to upper class.

I'm not sure because there is a lot of noise in your comment. It looks like you might be saying that an increase on one end of the spectrum, coupled with a decrese on the other end, is not shifting wealth. Also, that wealth cannot be shifted from the low end because they don't have any. Also, that it wasn't caused by any policy but just happened.

Please clarify.

jcooli09: wolvernova:

On the flip side, any conservatards who say the tax cuts created jobs or spurred spending are just as stupid as the libtards that say it shifted wealth from lower class (what farking wealth??) to upper class.

I'm not sure because there is a lot of noise in your comment. It looks like you might be saying that an increase on one end of the spectrum, coupled with a decrese on the other end, is not shifting wealth. Also, that wealth cannot be shifted from the low end because they don't have any. Also, that it wasn't caused by any policy but just happened.

Please clarify.

No I'm not denying the shift in wealth. I'm saying that the argument for causation is null until some genius here can do a better job of explaining it other than "it's true". Perhaps it was caused by some policy, but again I find that to be a little far-fetched. A common liberal philosophy is that things only happen because some genius or evil man in Washington carved into stone a commandment that makes it happen. There are free market dynamics that cause all kinds of things to change, usually beyond our own predictions.

But I'm to believe that wealth redistribution, something that has been going on far before the tax cuts, and in the midst of financial tidal waves (two recessions, two bubbles, retiring boomers) is actually the result of small tax cuts.

You can hate the cuts for many reasons (and I have my own), but I think you'll be better at blaming them for AIDS than the redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich.

jcooli09

/Wow... you really bought all that crap huh? Let me know when you have stopped sucking off the move-n libtard teet... I bet that Koolaid is getting kinda rancid at this point!

jcooli09

/Btw.... spell check, it's your friend....

The last thing I want is some poor wittle farker with an inferiority complex to feel inadequate so I took down the picture of my new toy. I wouldn't want to make anyone sad.... Poor wittle babies.... it'll be alright...

Yes, it would seem that after months of lying about how great and wonderful and fantastic and great and fantastic and wonderful Obama would be as president followed by a few weeks of crying about how Bush should just go ahead and resign so Obama could get started leading us to the land of milk and honey...

Some people have suddenly woken up, realized Obama is just another politician and figured out that there's no way Obama can actually magically fix everything.

But everything that's wrong, will be his fault.. Period, I don't care when it started, I don't care what caused it... Every problem that America has the moment Obama is sworn in will be HIS fault, that's the standard the liberals have established over the last 8 years, and that's the one we're sticking to.