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(NYPost)   C.C. Sabathia agrees to deal with Yankees as there is no way he could turn down a team with over 140 million years of tradition   (nypost.com) divider line
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2008-12-10 08:33:57 AM  
He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks
 
2008-12-10 09:06:40 AM  

HulkHands: He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks


Well, they had to start somewhere. If they didn't land CC, then they really would be up shiats creek.

/Mets fan
//go krod
 
2008-12-10 09:18:16 AM  
Olney says it's now $160m.
 
2008-12-10 09:19:26 AM  
Good for CC and the Yankees. I don't get the hate for CC. He is a GREAT pitcher with longevity and gets stronger with the season (something the yanks need) and would any of you turn down that kind of money? He is elite, and demands elite money.


/they still need some more help in middle relief badly.
//O's fan so I don't like to see them get stronger-
 
2008-12-10 09:19:35 AM  
Do they still want to pay out the ass for Lowe and AJ as well? Or are they going to stand pat with CC and focus on Tex now?

They should sign Tek. He calls a great game!
 
2008-12-10 09:21:10 AM  
He'll still collapse in the playoffs, and that makes me happy.
 
2008-12-10 09:21:36 AM  
I'll never take baseball seriously until it has a salary cap mechanism in place. When only a handful of teams have access to the best players due to $$$, that's ridiculous.
 
2008-12-10 09:22:28 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: He'll still collapse in the playoffs, and that makes me happy.


CC isn't a cubs pitcher, I think the Yanks are fine.
 
2008-12-10 09:23:46 AM  

GimpyNip: Do they still want to pay out the ass for Lowe and AJ as well? Or are they going to stand pat with CC and focus on Tex now?

They should sign Tek. He calls a great game!


Never happen. I know it's "just a game" to the players and all... but I really can't see Tek in pinstripes.
 
2008-12-10 09:24:13 AM  
Someone in this thread is delusional.
 
2008-12-10 09:27:42 AM  
I get the feeling that the Yanks weren't CC's first choice, but in the end he couldn't turn down the metric crap-ton of money they were throwing at him. Can't say I blame him.

/Let's Go Mets
 
2008-12-10 09:30:03 AM  

HulkHands: He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks


ORLY?

1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Joba
4. Pettite
5. Hughes

I am totally fine with that Rotation. I will accept nothing else.
 
2008-12-10 09:30:59 AM  

heebie_stevo: Never happen. I know it's "just a game" to the players and all... but I really can't see Tek in pinstripes.


Dude, I was kidding. I don't think the Yankees would even sign him. Not sure if anyone is all that interested right now. It is a hot catcher market right now and everyone's name is being tossed around but Tek's.
 
2008-12-10 09:33:04 AM  
One more thing: Why do people get the idea that Posada can't catch anymore? Because he had one year where he was injured? Big farking deal.
 
2008-12-10 09:33:41 AM  

GimpyNip: and everyone's name is being tossed around but Tek's.


And rightfully so. I'm so sick of hearing about his "intangibles." Produce or GTFO.
 
2008-12-10 09:39:08 AM  
Francesa spent five hours on WFAN yesterday reaming out Sabathia for making the Yankees wait, saying he didn't deserve to be a Yankee and that they no longer wanted him. He took call after call from Yankee fans spewing hate at CC and without exception saying he doesn't belong in New York.

I suspect today's show will be a little different.
 
2008-12-10 09:40:33 AM  
It will be entertaining to read what Hank Steinbrenner has to say after C.C. has his first losing mini-streak.
 
2008-12-10 09:40:44 AM  

downtownkid: Francesa spent five hours on WFAN yesterday reaming out Sabathia for making the Yankees wait, saying he didn't deserve to be a Yankee and that they no longer wanted him. He took call after call from Yankee fans spewing hate at CC and without exception saying he doesn't belong in New York.

I suspect today's show will be a little different.


Of course. Is there a more manic depressrive fanbase in any sport?
 
2008-12-10 09:41:23 AM  
I hope they built their new stadium with wide doors...

/Still laughing at Brewers fans who thought you could resign him
//With all that money from Gagne and Counsell's contracts, you can easily afford him, right?
 
2008-12-10 09:42:05 AM  

Ziploc'd Oreos: HulkHands: He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks

ORLY?

1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Joba
4. Pettite
5. Hughes

I am totally fine with that Rotation. I will accept nothing else.


Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.
 
2008-12-10 09:42:51 AM  

Ziploc'd Oreos: HulkHands: He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks

ORLY?

1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Joba
4. Pettite
5. Hughes

I am totally fine with that Rotation. I will accept nothing else.


PLEASE GOD NEVER BRING HIM UP AGAIN. I rather the peanut guy in the upper deck who slings peanuts faster then Hughes on the mound.
 
2008-12-10 09:47:18 AM  
No C.C for you Milwaukee. No, not yours.
 
2008-12-10 09:50:56 AM  

Ziploc'd Oreos: HulkHands: He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks

ORLY?

1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Joba
4. Pettite
5. Hughes

I am totally fine with that Rotation. I will accept nothing else.


Wow, Yankee fans' standards have REALLY slipped. Good luck with that.
 
2008-12-10 09:51:56 AM  

downtownkid: Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.


Yeah, Chamberlain gave up 3 ER or less in 11 of his 12 starts. Pretty uneven. And you can always write off top pitching prospects after their 1st year. Good stuff here.
 
2008-12-10 09:51:57 AM  
Career post season:

5 Games
(1-3)
7.92 ERA
22BB
 
2008-12-10 09:54:05 AM  
1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Lowe/Sheets/Burnett (they'll get one of em, guaranteed)
4. Chamberlain
5. Hughes/Aceves

Nice.
 
2008-12-10 09:54:21 AM  

darkhorse581: I'll never take baseball seriously until it has a salary cap mechanism in place. When only a handful of teams have access to the best players due to $$$, that's ridiculous.


No, see, the bottom half of the teams in the league could have signed CC if they really wanted to, if they would have just cut every other player on their roster, magically found a way to quadruple their TV deal, and increased their merchandise sales ten-fold overnight. It's their choice for not choosing to compete with the other teams in baseballs completely equitable free market, which does nothing but help the game and does not hurt the overall health of the sport in any way, shape, or form.
 
2008-12-10 09:58:07 AM  

jayhawk88: darkhorse581: I'll never take baseball seriously until it has a salary cap mechanism in place. When only a handful of teams have access to the best players due to $$$, that's ridiculous.

No, see, the bottom half of the teams in the league could have signed CC if they really wanted to, if they would have just cut every other player on their roster, magically found a way to quadruple their TV deal, and increased their merchandise sales ten-fold overnight. It's their choice for not choosing to compete with the other teams in baseballs completely equitable free market, which does nothing but help the game and does not hurt the overall health of the sport in any way, shape, or form.


8 different world series champs in the last 9 seasons. Way more parity than any of the "Salary Capped" sports over the last decade. Not even close.
 
2008-12-10 09:58:25 AM  

Ziploc'd Oreos: I am totally fine with that Rotation. I will accept nothing else.


Next time, open up the windows in your apartment when you start painting the walls.
 
2008-12-10 09:59:21 AM  
I was going to say something about the rotation list posted, but i see it was already handled.

If you are counting on Joba and a guy that wants to retire...
 
2008-12-10 10:00:02 AM  
They aint done yet:

Cashman was heading back here for the winter meetings and was expected to resume negotiations with the agents for free-agent pitchers A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe.

"We're open for business," the source continued. "Our offers are out there for all of these guys, now we just have to wait and see they want to do."

In the case of Lowe, the Yanks are believed to have a four-year offer with a possible trigger for a fifth year, and in Burnett's case, they have an offer superior to the reported 4-year, $60 million offer he has from the Atlanta Braves.


NY POST
 
2008-12-10 10:00:10 AM  

Soap: downtownkid: Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.

Yeah, Chamberlain gave up 3 ER or less in 11 of his 12 starts. Pretty uneven. And you can always write off top pitching prospects after their 1st year. Good stuff here.



Well if you want to look at things in an unsophisticated and dishonest way you did a fine job. Truth is that he pitched a strictly limited number of innings and his numbers declined sharply in the later innings of his starts, which weren't that late to begin with. And I'm not writing him off, I'm simply refuting the fact that the Yankees have a lot of depth in the starting rotation.
 
2008-12-10 10:00:17 AM  
I hope the Yankees crash and burn again. They just go out and spend the most money hoping to buy titles.
 
2008-12-10 10:06:19 AM  

downtownkid: Soap: downtownkid: Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.

Yeah, Chamberlain gave up 3 ER or less in 11 of his 12 starts. Pretty uneven. And you can always write off top pitching prospects after their 1st year. Good stuff here.


Well if you want to look at things in an unsophisticated and dishonest way you did a fine job. Truth is that he pitched a strictly limited number of innings and his numbers declined sharply in the later innings of his starts, which weren't that late to begin with. And I'm not writing him off, I'm simply refuting the fact that the Yankees have a lot of depth in the starting rotation.


3-1, 2.76 ERA as a starter. His ONE bad start was 3 days before he went on the DL with a sore shoulder.

And I was talking about writing off Hughes.
 
2008-12-10 10:10:40 AM  

GimpyNip: Dude, I was kidding. I don't think the Yankees would even sign him. Not sure if anyone is all that interested right now. It is a hot catcher market right now and everyone's name is being tossed around but Tek's.


Yup:

1) He'll turn 37 right around Opening Day. Catchers usually roll over and die around then.
2) He's coming off seasons of .238/.325/.400, .255/.367/.421, and .220/.313/.359. You figure he's got maybe 1-2 years left where he'll underperform the average of that, which is around replacement level, even for catchers. He's not a Piazza or even a Posada where you could see part-timing him at 1B to keep his bat around.
3) Over those three years, he threw out 23% of base stealers. That's not exactly promising.

The only thing he has going for him now is fairly sure hands (few PB/E), and a reputation for fuzzy intangibles based on the fact that he seems to be a genuinely nice guy who understands the strategy of the game well. Given all of the above, he sounds like exactly the guy I'd want to hire... as an assistant coach.
 
2008-12-10 10:12:14 AM  

Soap: downtownkid: Soap: downtownkid: Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.

Yeah, Chamberlain gave up 3 ER or less in 11 of his 12 starts. Pretty uneven. And you can always write off top pitching prospects after their 1st year. Good stuff here.


Well if you want to look at things in an unsophisticated and dishonest way you did a fine job. Truth is that he pitched a strictly limited number of innings and his numbers declined sharply in the later innings of his starts, which weren't that late to begin with. And I'm not writing him off, I'm simply refuting the fact that the Yankees have a lot of depth in the starting rotation.

3-1, 2.76 ERA as a starter. His ONE bad start was 3 days before he went on the DL with a sore shoulder.

And I was talking about writing off Hughes.


Phil Hughes 2008: 0-4 in 8 starts with a 6.62 ERA
 
2008-12-10 10:14:39 AM  

darkhorse581: I'll never take baseball seriously until it has a salary cap mechanism in place. When only a handful of teams have access to the best players due to $$$, that's ridiculous.


Economics 101: manipulation of the demand / supply curves through price caps and floors is bad, mkay?
 
2008-12-10 10:17:13 AM  

H31N0US: darkhorse581: I'll never take baseball seriously until it has a salary cap mechanism in place. When only a handful of teams have access to the best players due to $$$, that's ridiculous.

Economics 101: manipulation of the demand / supply curves through price caps and floors is bad, mkay?


Seriously, look at all of the damage it did to the NFL...
 
2008-12-10 10:17:56 AM  

downtownkid: Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.


1) If "uneven in the role" translates to "career ERA of 2.76 as a starter" and "has one start ever where he gave up more than 3 ER", all while pitching in Yankee Stadium, I think the Yankees are OK with that.

2) Pettite got an "insulting" salary offer because he is a 37-year-old starter who has been league-average for three years. There's no way in hell they should offer anything close to the $16M he made in 2008.

3) Hughes is 23 and was rushed through the minors. He'll figure it out, and they're only asking him to be a #5 starter.
 
2008-12-10 10:18:30 AM  

downtownkid: Phil Hughes 2008: 0-4 in 8 starts with a 6.62 ERA


Yep, he sucked. But with that kind of talent you can't write him off at that age. He's tearing up Winter ball right now so hopefully he's back on track.
 
2008-12-10 10:23:36 AM  

Ziploc'd Oreos: HulkHands: He has 140 million reasons to be alive.

/rotation still has no depth, sorry Yanks

ORLY?

1. Sabathia
2. Wang
3. Joba Lowe
4. Pettite
5. Hughes

Setup: Joba
Closer: Rivera


I am totally fine with that Rotation. I will accept nothing else.


FTFY
 
2008-12-10 10:24:25 AM  

MugzyBrown: Career post season:

5 Games
(1-3)
7.92 ERA
22BB


Thats why I would never pay over 10 million to a pitcher if he hadn't pitched in the post season before or if he had pitched poorly. Baseball's best teams pay tons of money for guys based on regular season play buts its playoff stats that are- if you can't do it under pressure you don't belong in big market teams. Take Javy Vasquez for example. Why is he with the Braves, cause he publicly was weak minded and called out but couldn't perform. I rather have a guy like Jeff Suppan for 8 million than CC Sabithia for almost 20 million for pitchers who pitch at least 12 wins a season with an ERA under 5.

/Suppan ERA in LCS - 1.66 in 27 IP
//Overall 3.63 ERA in 57 IP
 
2008-12-10 10:26:17 AM  
How long before we are fed the " It's always been a dream of mine to play in yankee pinstripes" garbage?

Yeah life long dream, more like the union pressured you into taking the biggest deal out there..
 
2008-12-10 10:26:34 AM  

Soap: jayhawk88: darkhorse581: I'll never take baseball seriously until it has a salary cap mechanism in place. When only a handful of teams have access to the best players due to $$$, that's ridiculous.

No, see, the bottom half of the teams in the league could have signed CC if they really wanted to, if they would have just cut every other player on their roster, magically found a way to quadruple their TV deal, and increased their merchandise sales ten-fold overnight. It's their choice for not choosing to compete with the other teams in baseballs completely equitable free market, which does nothing but help the game and does not hurt the overall health of the sport in any way, shape, or form.

8 different world series champs in the last 9 seasons. Way more parity than any of the "Salary Capped" sports over the last decade. Not even close.


This, This, a thousand times THIS!
 
2008-12-10 10:30:23 AM  
The Yankees got a good player, and they can probably afford this even if they overpaid, but you have to admit, Sabathia and his agents played them like a fiddle.
 
2008-12-10 10:30:29 AM  

chimp_ninja: downtownkid: Well Joba is unproven as a starter and was uneven in the role prior to being injured. Pettite got an insulting salary offer from the Yanks and is talking to other teams and Hughes was a massive bust, so you're pretty much completely wrong while remaining arrogant. You really are a Yankee fan.

1) If "uneven in the role" translates to "career ERA of 2.76 as a starter" and "has one start ever where he gave up more than 3 ER", all while pitching in Yankee Stadium, I think the Yankees are OK with that.

2) Pettite got an "insulting" salary offer because he is a 37-year-old starter who has been league-average for three years. There's no way in hell they should offer anything close to the $16M he made in 2008.

3) Hughes is 23 and was rushed through the minors. He'll figure it out, and they're only asking him to be a #5 starter.



Back it up a bit pal. The entire conversation is in response to the post stating that the Yankees have great depth in the starting rotation. So if you want to talk about the subject we're actually discussing and not some imaginary argument:

1.) Having a number three starter who only made twelve starts last year, and was pulled early in the games he started

and

2.) You can't count a guy who isn't on your roster or even actively negotiating with your team as a number four

and

3.) History gives no indication he is a reliable major league starter

does not add up to depth at the starting pitching position

Clear enough?
 
2008-12-10 10:30:38 AM  
And thus the Yankees cycle of overspending on free agents and ignoring the draft (the thing that got them to the playoffs again in the 90s) continues. CC's an awesome pitcher, but their failure to draft anybody helpful in the last 5-10 years coupled with all the first round picks they lose signing free agents every year really hurts the team, just like it did in the 80s and early 90s, when they developed Jeter, Rivera, Bernie Williams, Pettitte, etc. Any they wonder why they haven't won a title since 2000? As a Yankees hater, I'm thrilled by this, and I hope they sign Burnett too so their crash and burn is even more impressive this year.
 
2008-12-10 10:31:54 AM  
the Mike Hampton potential of this deal is off the charts

Let the the CheeseCake Era begin!
 
2008-12-10 10:32:48 AM  

Everyone Sucks But Me: And thus the Yankees cycle of overspending on free agents and ignoring the draft (the thing that got them to the playoffs again in the 90s) continues


do they owe Milwaukee a draft pick over this?
 
2008-12-10 10:34:07 AM  

Misconduc: CC isn't a cubs pitcher, I think the Yanks are fine.


He was an Indian. That's almost as bad.
 
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