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(Reuters)   Government education study says using "aggressive" red pens to mark student's work could be harming the precious little snowflakes' psyches, suggest a hot pink or passionate mauve instead   (reuters.com) divider line 99
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2008-12-09 04:18:14 PM  
Teachers using red pen to mark students' work could be harming their psyche as the color is too aggressive, according to education strategies drafted by an Australian state government.

This is just one more example of the pussification of America.
 
2008-12-09 05:00:11 PM  
I'm a public school teacher and, I'm of two minds on this. First: The world is a harsh place: red, red, red, you fail. Get with the program or do something else. I don't want a doctor who has been coddled through medical school.

Second mind: I'm the presenter of material, and the tabulator of the scores. I must teach my students how to process the material, not just humiliate them when they don't.

/use red occasionally, but mostly black or blue. I didn't read the article, but where I am, my role is a facilitator of their evolution, not their ultimate judge. Article may have a point.
 
2008-12-09 05:19:53 PM  
Yes, they ought to be pussy pink pens to match the type of kids we are raising.
 
rpm
2008-12-09 05:20:49 PM  
sigdiamond2000: This is just one more example of the pussification of America Australia.

FTFY
 
2008-12-09 05:21:35 PM  
I just used a red pen to correct my students' notebooks, so I am getting a kick out of this article.
 
2008-12-09 05:22:06 PM  
E. Edward Grey unavailable for comment.
 
2008-12-09 05:22:22 PM  
The kids are too busy playing on their xboxes to care about the grade for the assignment the parents completed.
 
2008-12-09 05:22:25 PM  
rpm: sigdiamond2000: This is just one more example of the pussification of America Australia.

FTFY


Nice catch sigdiamond2000.

Now remember if they are too dumb, you have to throw them back.
 
2008-12-09 05:22:52 PM  
Austrailia?

How did a gigantic island of poison spawn such pussies?
 
2008-12-09 05:23:14 PM  
When I was practicing law, I had a paralegal who got very upset when I marked up her work with a red pen. It was meant to demean her, but red is easier to read in most cases. Damn glad she finally quit ...

/still likes red pens
 
2008-12-09 05:23:38 PM  
I use different colors depending on what class color my students are in (they are sorted by colors) - then, if I can easily identify which papers come from which class. The red group gets graded in red or pink (not b/c it's pussified, just what I have on hand).
 
2008-12-09 05:23:43 PM  
sigdiamond2000: Teachers using red pen to mark students' work could be harming their psyche as the color is too aggressive, according to education strategies drafted by an Australian state government.

This is just one more example of the pussification of America.


F, See me after class
 
2008-12-09 05:23:50 PM  
I mentioned this in another discussion on this subject:

Have a permanent folder for each student. Graded work would be returned to them in said folder, so only their snowflake selves would see it. The folder would then be handed in to be used next time. And if the kid tells his friends, well, that's on him/her. Kids (and parents) need to get it through their heads that kids aren't always 100% perfect, and that mistakes = learning.
 
2008-12-09 05:24:36 PM  
ScottMpls: When I was practicing law, I had a paralegal who got very upset when I marked up her work with a red pen. It was meant to demean her, but red is easier to read in most cases. Damn glad she finally quit ...

/still likes red pens


meant "wasn't" ... what the hell, red still makes a vivid point, losers.
 
2008-12-09 05:26:23 PM  
Red used to kick my ass and take my lunch money.
 
2008-12-09 05:26:34 PM  
This is just one of the reasons I use a read pen when I critique a story in my fiction classes.

That and it stands out nicely against the black and white of the printed page.
 
2008-12-09 05:27:04 PM  
I thought red made you hungry.

For McDonalds.
 
2008-12-09 05:27:35 PM  
I can't wait to take my kids on a field trip to the local GEC (Government Education Center). I imagine it will be a lot like going to the zoo.
 
2008-12-09 05:28:16 PM  
My boss only uses red pens for everything

/I have no point
 
2008-12-09 05:28:34 PM  
okami36:
This is just one of the reasons I use a red pen when I critique a story in my fiction classes.

FTFY
 
2008-12-09 05:29:15 PM  
Whenever I would peer-review a paper in a class, I would first read the paper with a red pen in my hand. I'd use the red pen to correct any errors in spelling, word usage (too/to/two, or their/there/they're), etc.

Then, I would go through the paper a second time with a blue pen and provide comments on the contents of the paper, suggesting they look up an additional source, explain something further and so forth.

One person got pissed at me and started yelling about how there was more red pen than black ink on the paper. The prof came over and took a quick look at the paper and told the kid (18 y/o freshie) that the paper as he typed it would get an F, but as corrected with the red (not counting any other constructive feedback) it would get a C.

The kid shut up. I noticed that, in his next draft, he corrected about half of the errors I pointed out.
 
2008-12-09 05:30:07 PM  
My Captain who would suggest changes to performance reports I would write always made her suggestions known with a bright pink pen. After the 5th or 6th review we would try to find that damn pen on her desk when she would be out of the office. She liked pink and hand a number of them, she lost quite a few somehow...

color doesnt freaking matter, the intent and meaning behind it does.

Kids need to learn the hard way, no more coddling, no more allowing the stupid to breed and pass on inferior genetic code.
 
2008-12-09 05:30:12 PM  
My mother sent me some of my old school work from when I was in 1st and 2nd grade at a Catholic school. I was looking at the papers from my 1st grade handwriting assignments, and half of the stuff was marked [in red of course] with stuff like, "Needs work, you're not trying" and, "work harder"; good self-confidence boosting things like that.

Reading it now it felt like it was one step shy of saying, "Damn you suck, get a typewriter". It was pretty harsh. But it didn't hurt me. I'm not permanently scarred from the harsh criticism or the harsh red pen marks. Kid's will get over it

/my handwriting still sucks
//I don't try hard enough
///I don't care enough to try hard
////I got a computer instead - and some slashies
 
2008-12-09 05:30:38 PM  
zobear jr. loves it when I proofread her papers with her and get out "Old Red." It reminds her of "A Christmas Story."
 
2008-12-09 05:30:39 PM  
Um, OK, my law school professors who are not especially concerned at this point with harming our psyches but who are concerned with making law students who can pass the bar exam use green pens. Our papers come back to us without aggressive red pen marks, but covered literally top to bottom with green ink to the point you can hardly make out what it was we wrote to begin with.

What's more aggressive, the color of the ink, or that the teacher uses it liberally all over your paper? I mean, what's next, that the teacher can only use her soothing pink pen two or three times per page to prevent the child from thinking he's making mistakes?
 
2008-12-09 05:31:25 PM  
Wait, 14% of children have some sort of mental disorder in Australia? What are these people eating/drinking?

At that level it isn't a mental illness, it's normal child/teenage angst and emo crap. Even if they don't get over it, that suffering (or whatever you want to call it) is what makes them individual personalities later in life. Life shaping experiences, which might be good later, can be bad today. If you tell them they're sick it'll be their excuse for everything for the rest of their lives. They're not mentally ill, they're normal children. Or the Aussies have some serious problems with toxic substances accumulating in their brains. When 15% have it, it isn't a disease anymore, it's normal behavior being reclassified by doctors with nothing better to do.
 
2008-12-09 05:31:34 PM  
MrBonestripper: E. Edward Grey unavailable for comment.


He'll be with you in a minute...

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2008-12-09 05:32:42 PM  
Larry Sellers could handle red ink. fark dude, let's go bowling.
 
2008-12-09 05:33:08 PM  
I remember reading something like this while researching being a TA. Red squiggles instinctively make you think of bloody cuts, or something silly like that. Green was what was recommended. But red pens were easier to find so that's what I used.

Educational "theories" like this one are part of why I'm so glad to be out of academia.
 
2008-12-09 05:33:14 PM  
Hot Pink? Passionate Mauve?

I see what you did there.
 
2008-12-09 05:33:32 PM  
As much as I don't like Nanny State laws, how much percent of of these fark Nanny-state outrages are are policies that are actually implemented, as opposed to horrible ideas that are quickly voted down in city consuls or inane suggestions from bored bureaucrats?
Judging from the article, "red pens are evil" idea didn't get any further than inside of the waste bin of the teachers.

And just how impressionable are these "precious little snowflakes" if they are going to become spoiled for life just because their teachers don't use red ink on them?
I grew up in supposed the "self esteem" movement in the 90s.
My teachers ignored most of the education critics that said the teachers should focus on self esteem....and the little "self esteem" education I did get didn't turn me into a spoiled malleable brat due to the fact the "self esteem" movement, like most educational movements, is ineffectual pseudo-science.
 
2008-12-09 05:33:52 PM  
As a writing teacher, I finally honestly get to get a kick out of these replies. If you have a red pen that you're using to mark papers because you like to startle people with red marks, then you might be a tad confused with the writing process. The purpose of your comments should be to help improve the paper, not to just point out what's wrong or show how you're smarter than someone. If you honestly think there might be some difficulty in telling hand written marks from printed ones, then your handwriting must be better than mine, and your proofreader's marks must be subtle. I'm sure not gonna go out of my way to get a special grading pen. I mark and grade with the same pens I use for everything else, and they are black ultra-fine Pilots.
 
2008-12-09 05:34:01 PM  
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2008-12-09 05:34:54 PM  
Boo-frickety-hoo. If you got an "F", you deserve bloody red ink.

/got lots of bad grades in school
//didn't cry about the red ink
 
2008-12-09 05:35:52 PM  
As someone who grew up with Dyslexia before anyone knew much about it I'll admit that I had a fear of red ink. I hated writing until high school where I actually had a great teacher who worked really hard to help me work through my problems. Now I'm still not smartest than most but I'm a much gooder wrighter.
 
2008-12-09 05:36:14 PM  
How about they just start giving teachers "Fail" stickers to mark problems wrong. And if they fail the test they get a ticket granting them one free trip on the Failboat.
 
2008-12-09 05:37:17 PM  
When I was in grade school, we had -all- of our work marked in red pen, uphill both ways!


/Boobies
//Surprised I didn't make it on the politics tab
///Triple slashy
 
2008-12-09 05:37:24 PM  
I prefer to use kitten blood when I grade my student's papers. Trouble is that it doesn't stay red for long so I have to get them their papers back while it's still fresh.
 
2008-12-09 05:39:02 PM  
Fark you.
It's in red, because it's wrong.
You got it wrong.
You fail.
You. Get. Nothing!
Fail.

Now go cry emo kid.

/Did I get enough cliche in there?
//Actually agree with the sentiment of my post.
 
2008-12-09 05:39:46 PM  
I'm a college TA for a student body that is for the most part full of precious snowflakes.

I use red intentionally, but sparingly. Less is more in my opinion. I also keep my comments constructive or informational: "Actually, this text was written by..." or "Good, but missing x, y, z elements. At least think about x."

Just the way God intended, bless His Noodly Appendage.
 
2008-12-09 05:40:29 PM  
Aevum leaves no child behind.
 
2008-12-09 05:41:03 PM  
I just had some fun in MSN messenger & my mom with this..
ME says:Government education study says using "aggressive" red pens to mark student's work could be harming the children's psyches
(Non-Fark version for mom who does not understand snowflake reference)
MOM says: give me a BREAK!!!! i'll tell you what really turned kids
MOM says: back when I was having (my older brother), was the first generation that started going to daycare
we did not know how it would be to put our children in a non nurturing enviroment with children from all walks of life 
i said when (my older brother) was a baby that we would have kids that had social problems  i said "mark my words"
babies need loving and holding they dont get in daycare
ME says: ...so it's not the red pens?
 
2008-12-09 05:41:18 PM  
It's a question of conditioning. Red ink is associated with failure. Change it to mauve, and it won't take long for the new association to pop up in students' minds. It has nothing to do with how "aggressive" the color is.
 
2008-12-09 05:41:48 PM  
so you change it to green and make them dread a less aggressive color?

seriously?

this is a great line of thought.

This is how we ruined the word "Special", dipshiats.
 
2008-12-09 05:42:36 PM  
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2008-12-09 05:43:27 PM  
People still use paper for this shiat?

When I was a lab instructor during grad school, my students submitted everything electronically, and they got it back that way too. They submitted their work in standard black font; I sarcastically critiqued it in red.

/There's no crying in heat transfer.
 
2008-12-09 05:44:56 PM  
How do I break their spirits if I dont use red?
 
2008-12-09 05:45:34 PM  
toonz: so you change it to green and make them dread a less aggressive color?

seriously?

this is a great line of thought.

This is how we ruined the word "Special", dipshiats.


yes, we can turn them into cowards who cry at traffic lights and jump at the sight of stray kittens.
 
2008-12-09 05:45:45 PM  
sigdiamond2000: Teachers using red pen to mark students' work could be harming their psyche as the color is too aggressive, according to education strategies drafted by an Australian state government.

This is just one more example of the pussification of America.


Even bigger fail is that red is used in every major fast food outlet out there. It makes you feel more hungry.

I wonder if there's a link between kids failing and getting red ink on their tests and becoming fatties?

Seriously, I'm sick of people who have nervous breakdowns the first time I give them shiat because they've slacked off on the job, or have done something stupid and negligent. I corner them on it, and they have like a nervous breakdown. I've seen people cry because I pointed out that they opened an email virus through a 3rd party email client (that they knew they weren't supposed to use) that I had JUST sent them an email on earlier that day saying "don't open". Turns out they're in their young 20's and they've gone through the "you never fail, you're minimally exceptional!" school of political correctness. Totally unable to deal with criticism and the real world.

Fark them. You know what's so unique about snowflakes? They melt under the heat.
 
2008-12-09 05:47:17 PM  
Ikimasen: The purpose of your comments should be to help improve the paper, not to just point out what's wrong or show how you're smarter than someone.

yep, that's what FARK is for :P
 
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