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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Obama says gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in. Because obviously people acting on impluse to buy guns because Obama was elected will listen to him when he says he won't take them   (suntimes.com) divider line 717
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2008-12-08 12:46:50 PM
National Retards Association
 
2008-12-08 12:55:27 PM
PC LOAD LETTER: National Retards Association

Damn...you didn't even give this thread a chance to devolve. You went all-in.
 
2008-12-08 12:59:20 PM
PC LOAD LETTER: National Retards Association

Face first. Love it.
 
2008-12-08 01:02:08 PM
I'll likely be purchasing a gun soon, but it has nothing to do with Obama and more to do with buying my first house.
 
2008-12-08 01:05:32 PM
I bought a rifle a couple of weeks ago as a gift. Had nothing to do with the president-elect.
 
2008-12-08 01:10:21 PM
if he'd get someone to declare the Chicago handgun ban unconstitutional already, I'd buy one. obviously, this won't happen.
 
2008-12-08 01:13:54 PM
KaponoFor3: I'll likely be purchasing a gun soon, but it has nothing to do with Obama and more to do with buying my first house.

I'll also likely be purchasing a gun soon, but it has nothing to do with Obama and more to do with wanting to shoot at things.
 
2008-12-08 01:14:38 PM
Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the guy trying to take away my Second Amendment rights not to take advantage of them before he gets into power. Fark that. And fark you too, Chairman Mao.
 
2008-12-08 01:17:36 PM
Darconix: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the guy trying to take away my Second Amendment rights not to take advantage of them before he gets into power. Fark that. And fark you too, Chairman Mao.

You're getting lazy and are starting to overplay your hand. It happens to everyone. You need a new alt.
 
2008-12-08 01:22:31 PM
*waves at the secret service*
 
2008-12-08 01:23:01 PM
So, the message is that I've got however long it takes him to address the economy before he tries to take my guns? Well, that's MUCH more comforting.
 
2008-12-08 01:24:57 PM
Darconix: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the guy trying to take away my Second Amendment rights not to take advantage of them before he gets into power. Fark that. And fark you too, Chairman Mao.

I'm just happy the guy who took away my first, fourth and fifth amendment rights is going to be out of office.
 
2008-12-08 01:26:53 PM
NittLion78: if he'd get someone to declare the Chicago handgun ban unconstitutional already, I'd buy one. obviously, this won't happen.

Did the Heller case not apply to you as well?
 
2008-12-08 01:40:02 PM
Darconix: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the guy trying to take away my Second Amendment rights not to take advantage of them before he gets into power. Fark that. And fark you too, Chairman Mao.

Do you have any clue how the government works? Obama can't repeal the Second Amendment, dumbass.

Of course, you probably aren't worried at all about the REST of the Bill of Rights being violated.
 
2008-12-08 01:40:36 PM
See just by winning the election Obama has already helped the economy
 
2008-12-08 01:43:39 PM
Darconix: Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the guy trying to take away my Second Amendment rights not to take advantage of them before he gets into power. Fark that. And fark you too, Chairman Mao.

Are you even trying?
 
2008-12-08 01:44:06 PM
El Freak: Do you have any clue how the government works? Obama can't repeal the Second Amendment, dumbass.

No, but he has voted on things such as a 500% 'gun tax' in the past.
 
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2008-12-08 01:49:56 PM
El Freak: Do you have any clue how the government works? Obama can't repeal the Second Amendment, dumbass.

The 2nd amendment says nothing about ammunition. That'll be taxed into absurdity. That'll teach criminals! I mean, assuming they'll even be able to afford bullets. In any case, I expect would-be murderers and thieves to be much more choosy about their targets henceforth.

On a more serious note, I found it highly amusing that the guy from the Brady group used the phrase "we make progress on this issue". Comedy gold, that is.
 
2008-12-08 01:50:23 PM
Satan_Sunburn: El Freak: Do you have any clue how the government works? Obama can't repeal the Second Amendment, dumbass.

No, but he has voted on things such as a 500% 'gun tax' in the past.


What is wrong with that? I think a $10 tax per bullet metal bullet (plastic and rubber bullets would not apply) would be a good means to cut down on gun violence.

And if you think that is too much to pay to use your gun... then maybe you should improve your aim.
 
2008-12-08 01:55:24 PM
What is it about Americans and guns? Why do you love them so much?
 
2008-12-08 01:56:03 PM
Code_Archeologist: What is wrong with that? I think a $10 tax per bullet metal bullet (plastic and rubber bullets would not apply) would be a good means to cut down on gun violence.fark that, lets make it a $1000 tax per bullet. That way only the rich (and criminally rich) will be able to afford them. Wonderful argument btw.
 
2008-12-08 01:59:17 PM
Code_Archeologist: What is wrong with that? I think a $10 tax per bullet metal bullet (plastic and rubber bullets would not apply) would be a good means to cut down on gun violence.

That will certainly solve the budget problems for many police departments. Unless you think they should fire blanks at the range. And do you really think that anyone obtaining a firearm illegally simply won't obtain ammo illegally as well?
 
2008-12-08 02:01:05 PM
Satan_Sunburn: No, but he has voted on things such as a 500% 'gun tax' in the past.

Your actually wrong about that, he has never "voted on things such as a 500% gun tax", the claim you're making is based on a single comment he made to a Chicago newspaper almost a decade ago. The Chicago Defender (new window) said the "Illinois state senator, supported a "500 percent" increase in the federal tax on the sale of "weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths." It is unclear from the article exactly what weapons would have been covered by the proposed tax. Most of the article deals with proposals by Obama to "increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons."

I'm sure that won't make any difference to you, but it's a far throw your claim that he ambiguously "voted on" a tax increase on guns.
 
2008-12-08 02:10:54 PM
Nabb1: And do you really think that anyone obtaining a firearm illegally simply won't obtain ammo illegally as well?

Do you really think the price of ammo won't go up for those buying it illegally?
 
2008-12-08 02:13:01 PM
Ryan2065: Nabb1: And do you really think that anyone obtaining a firearm illegally simply won't obtain ammo illegally as well?

Do you really think the price of ammo won't go up for those buying it illegally?


Perhaps, but most of the criminals out there aren't the kinds of guys who log time at the range or go hunting. This policy hits law-abiding gun owners much more disproportionately than it does criminals. It is Second Amendment the equivalent of the Stamp Act.
 
2008-12-08 02:13:18 PM
Code_Archeologist: Satan_Sunburn: El Freak: Do you have any clue how the government works? Obama can't repeal the Second Amendment, dumbass.

No, but he has voted on things such as a 500% 'gun tax' in the past.

What is wrong with that? I think a $10 tax per bullet metal bullet (plastic and rubber bullets would not apply) would be a good means to cut down on gun violence.

And if you think that is too much to pay to use your gun... then maybe you should improve your aim.




Well to be honest you should at least attempt to know something about firearms before making suggestions on how to regulate them.

Tell you what you stand over there about 20 yards away.

I will take this 7.62x51mm cartridge with a standard powder load and cap it with a nylon bullet.

Next I'll load it into a rifle of my choosing.

Now don't move cause this won't hurt a bit....it is only a chunk of hard plastic traveling at 2500 feet per second!

Now for my next trick we'll use a rubber bullet...
 
2008-12-08 02:16:11 PM
PolloDiablo: "Illinois state senator, supported a "500 percent" increase in the federal tax on the sale of "weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.

Supports a 500% federal tax increase on commonly used firearms. I see nothing ambiguous in that sentence.
 
2008-12-08 02:25:03 PM
This would be great time to invest in a few guns. I would be willing to bet that they will increase in value considerably more than the stock market over the next year.

Maybe I'll start with this:

www.majhost.com
 
2008-12-08 02:28:11 PM
Nabb1: Perhaps, but most of the criminals out there aren't the kinds of guys who log time at the range or go hunting. This policy hits law-abiding gun owners much more disproportionately than it does criminals. It is Second Amendment the equivalent of the Stamp Act.

It hits both groups... I'm not in favor of it but to suggest the price of bullets wouldn't go up for criminals because they would buy them illegally is just plain wrong.

I like the idea behind charging more for bullets but it would make it hard on people like my family who go out hunting and shoot a few rounds in the back before hunting season.
 
2008-12-08 02:36:54 PM
Satan_Sunburn: PolloDiablo: "Illinois state senator, supported a "500 percent" increase in the federal tax on the sale of "weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths.

Supports a 500% federal tax increase on commonly used firearms. I see nothing ambiguous in that sentence.


That's impressive. You completely misinterpreted the sentence, and then said there was nothing ambiguous about it.
 
2008-12-08 02:41:34 PM
Ryan2065: It hits both groups... I'm not in favor of it but to suggest the price of bullets wouldn't go up for criminals because they would buy them illegally is just plain wrong.

I like the idea behind charging more for bullets but it would make it hard on people like my family who go out hunting and shoot a few rounds in the back before hunting season.


No, I mean it hits them disproportionately. I go to the range about once a month and go through 200-300 rounds per trip. You and I probably buy more ammo in a month than most criminals will buy in their careers. It will hit us more than it hits them, and probably won't make a dent in violent crime.
 
2008-12-08 02:44:08 PM
absoluteparanoia: NittLion78: if he'd get someone to declare the Chicago handgun ban unconstitutional already, I'd buy one. obviously, this won't happen.

Did the Heller case not apply to you as well?


not yet. it could, but it probably won't.
 
2008-12-08 02:45:51 PM
Darconix: WHARGARBBLE

Ahhh yes. Let's hear from the farknut who wants to see 15 million American citizens starving to death.

Shut up, terrorist. Go play in traffic.
 
2008-12-08 02:46:08 PM
Instant Karma: Well to be honest you should at least attempt to know something about firearms before making suggestions on how to regulate them.

It is not a perfect solution... because any round can be potentially lethal. And criminals will of course try to find ways to obtain cheaper bullets (perhaps even making their own). But the sheer scale of cost associated with firing a weapon will after a period of time make the supply of lethal ammunition in the marketplace less common.
 
2008-12-08 02:47:18 PM

Here's another dandy for you:

"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, one gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."

-Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007
 
2008-12-08 02:50:40 PM
Code_Archeologist: It is not a perfect solution... because any round can be potentially lethal. And criminals will of course try to find ways to obtain cheaper bullets (perhaps even making their own). But the sheer scale of cost associated with firing a weapon will after a period of time make the supply of lethal ammunition in the marketplace less common.

Better regulation of gun sales would be the route I'd take. Register each gun to someone and if they sell that gun without changing the registration and that gun is used in a crime they can be charged with the crime.

Charging per bullet is kind of silly. It only works as a Chris Rock joke.
 
2008-12-08 02:51:19 PM
aegisalpha: That's impressive. You completely misinterpreted the sentence, and then said there was nothing ambiguous about it.

You don't think there just might, maybe be some correlation to which firearms are most prolific, and which are most often used that result in deaths? Interesting.
 
2008-12-08 02:55:59 PM
Obama: Don't stock up on guns. It will be harder for us to grab them.

also, headline kinda blows.
 
2008-12-08 02:57:11 PM
Heh. Guns I got. It's ammo I'm loading up on. No pun intended.
 
2008-12-08 02:57:48 PM
We could be better by fixing our countries obsession with violence and repressed sexual issues.

We as a nation are wound tighter than a damn pocket watch.
 
2008-12-08 02:58:05 PM
wee: ammunition. That'll be taxed into absurdity.

And you can't make it yourself so the conservatards will be totally screwed!! moohoohaha!
 
2008-12-08 02:58:43 PM
Satan_Sunburn: You don't think there just might, maybe be some correlation to which firearms are most prolific, and which are most often used that result in deaths? Interesting.

Out of all the guns in my family (3 uncles, 2 cousins and a grandma who hunt in shotgun and rifle season) only one of them has a handgun. Do you have anything to back up your assumption that the most common guns are the ones most commonly used in firearm deaths?
 
2008-12-08 02:58:59 PM
IdBeCrazyIf: We could be better by fixing our countries obsession with violence and repressed sexual issues.

I think Freud said that a fear of guns was rooted in feelings of sexual inadequacy, or something along those lines.
 
2008-12-08 02:59:10 PM
Satan_Sunburn: Here's another dandy for you:


"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office. In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, one gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."

-Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007


Dude, that's crazy. I'm spending every dollar I make between now and January 20th on guns. And the hell with the taxes. I'll file a tax deferment for this year if I have to. Pre-assault weapons ban dollars are worth double (at least) of post-assault weapons ban dollars.
 
2008-12-08 02:59:24 PM
Well, at least there's one sector of the economy that hasn't been hit by recession ...
 
2008-12-08 02:59:24 PM
IdBeCrazyIf: We could be better by fixing our countries obsession with violence and repressed sexual issues.

This^This
 
2008-12-08 02:59:40 PM
See?
I told you this dude would stimulate the economy.
 
2008-12-08 02:59:54 PM
I keep one of these at the foot of my bed. Hell, who doesn't?

www.wsmr-history.org
 
2008-12-08 03:00:15 PM
Yeah! Move Along Folks! Nothing to see here! Obama LOVES guns, and gun OWNERS too! As a matter of fact, people have NOTHING to worry about, and just should not stock up on guns...

I don't believe that bullshiat for a second...
 
2008-12-08 03:00:29 PM
people who hate guns hate freedom
 
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