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2008-12-05 07:03:57 AM  
Mr Satriani has too much money to spend. These sort of legal actions very rarely succeed.

/ In other news, I have patented the A above middle C. So if you'd like to use it, please contact PoopyLicencing Inc.
 
2008-12-05 07:49:55 AM  
You're probably right about the suit not succeeding. Still, this is pretty interesting:

YouTube compare & contrast of the songs. Satriani's instrumental fits "Viva" like a glove. (new window)
 
2008-12-05 08:06:33 AM  
Meh. Four bars (repeated) from the verse have similar melody lines. Not much of a case. Plus, a songwriting credit does not involve the chord progressions of the song, just the melody line.
 
2008-12-05 08:29:49 AM  
Either way, awesome headline.
/never really got into Coldplay
//Loves me some Satriani
 
2008-12-05 08:37:48 AM  
Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".
 
2008-12-05 08:46:00 AM  
DslainteC
Plus, a songwriting credit does not involve the chord progressions of the song, just the melody line.

QFT.
 
2008-12-05 08:50:05 AM  
Satch's used toilet paper has more substance to it than Coldplay.
 
2008-12-05 09:12:22 AM  
I'm a big Satriani fan, but dropping this suit right after the Grammy nominations smells like a cash grab.

/Coldplay fan too
//bite me
 
2008-12-05 09:33:12 AM  
It is a very noticable rip off, which makes the fact that the song suck that much more surprising. Satriani is what needs to be on the radio, not Coldplay.

/really glad I have an ipod
//why listen to the radio
 
2008-12-05 09:39:28 AM  
a) There are only a finite number of musical possibilities in pop music. Sooner or later, you're bound to use something that's already been used somewhere else.

b) There are much, MUCH worse things in popular music than Coldplay. Celine Dion, Pussycat Dolls, and most of the rap genre, for instance.
 
2008-12-05 09:39:39 AM  
U2 should sue those untalented douches as well. The only reason they are popular is because they get pushed through the roof with marketing, payola and Gwyneth Paltrow.
 
2008-12-05 10:00:08 AM  
Melody, phrasing and even the tempo is very close!

Coldplay doesn't have to intentionally steal it for it be a case. They could have heard it and then subconsiously wrote their song based on what they heard.

Joe Satriani will win. No doubt.
 
2008-12-05 10:26:50 AM  
It's way too close. Check out the George Harrison trial.
 
2008-12-05 10:34:02 AM  

WhackingDay: /Coldplay fan too


You know how I know you're gay?
 
2008-12-05 10:37:27 AM  

nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".


Yeah, he's a prog-rock guitarist that has taken all of the soul out of playing music and replaced it with math, get it right!
 
2008-12-05 10:48:52 AM  

shuff1967: You're probably right about the suit not succeeding. Still, this is pretty interesting:

YouTube compare & contrast of the songs. Satriani's instrumental fits "Viva" like a glove. (new window)


Wow, that song sounds a whole lot better with Satriani's guitar! I doubt Chris Martin did this on purpose though. Far, far too much to lose. But, fair is fair and if money is owed it should be paid.

/Coldplay fan
//Why yes, I am gay
 
2008-12-05 11:09:13 AM  

GibbyTheMole: There are much, MUCH worse things in popular music than Coldplay. Celine Dion, Pussycat Dolls, and most of the rap genre, for instance.


I must object. The Pussycat Dolls are extrememly talented. although I hadn't been aware that there was music accompanying their videos.
 
2008-12-05 11:10:27 AM  

metroatlrecruiter: nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".

Yeah, he's a prog-rock guitarist that has taken all of the soul out of playing music and replaced it with math, get it right!


Ahhhh... one among the great pantheon of Fark Legends of Guitar has decided to contribute to the thread. Did you even listen to "If I Could Fly?" Not a mechanical representation of music whatsoever.

DslainteC: Meh. Four bars (repeated) from the verse have similar melody lines. Not much of a case. Plus, a songwriting credit does not involve the chord progressions of the song, just the melody line.


Songwriting credit... dead on. Music credit, however ("words and music by...") covers the notes. The signature melody in "Viva La Vida" is a dead-on facsimile of "If I Could Fly."

I do like Coldplay and Satriani, so I guess that makes me not only gay, but hot for really hairy, bald, middle-aged Italians. Ew.
 
2008-12-05 11:12:55 AM  
nauteeprincess
Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".


Yeah, he's one of the most overrated guitarists of the last thirty years!
 
2008-12-05 11:12:59 AM  

opiumpoopy: I must object. The Pussycat Dolls are extrememly talented. although I hadn't been aware that there was music accompanying their videos.


Jesus is renown for creating meals for thousands out of five loaves and two fishes. The PCD creates wood out of rope for thousands... especially on mute. There is something to that.
 
2008-12-05 11:16:04 AM  
metroatlrecruiter
nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".

Yeah, he's a prog-rock guitarist that has taken all of the soul out of playing music and replaced it with math, get it right!


You say that like it's a bad thing.

/Saw Joe just last month!
 
2008-12-05 11:18:37 AM  
Nemo's Brother 2008-12-05 09:39:39 AM
U2 should sue those untalented douches as well. The only reason they are popular is because they get pushed through the roof with marketing, payola and Gwyneth Paltrow.


Naw, they are too busy planning to sue the next experimental band with a shred of originality.
 
2008-12-05 11:21:24 AM  
The odd part is that they obviously don't mind giving credit where due - they've done it before openly - they gave Kraftwerk songwriting credits for "Talk" - so this could be one of those "unconscious" acts of plagiarism a la "He's So Fine vs. "My Sweet Lord". It's not a stretch, I've done it before myself - thankfully someone else noticed it before I actually started playing the song in public.
 
2008-12-05 11:22:03 AM  
So does this mean Joe Satriani ripped off Creaky Boards too?

/I heard he was at their show once
 
2008-12-05 11:27:22 AM  

nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".


Came here for THIS.
 
2008-12-05 11:30:00 AM  

metroatlrecruiter: nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".

Yeah, he's a prog-rock guitarist that has taken all of the soul out of playing music and replaced it with math, get it right!


another jealous wannabe
 
2008-12-05 11:34:50 AM  

Archie Godwin: metroatlrecruiter: nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".

Yeah, he's a prog-rock guitarist that has taken all of the soul out of playing music and replaced it with math, get it right!

another jealous wannabe


Call it what you will, he's no Leo Kottke
 
2008-12-05 11:38:18 AM  

Queen Dalek: metroatlrecruiter
nauteeprincess: Sorry submitard, that's not just any "guitarist".

Yeah, he's a prog-rock guitarist that has taken all of the soul out of playing music and replaced it with math, get it right!

You say that like it's a bad thing.

/Saw Joe just last month!


Not saying he's a bad guitarist, quite the opposite. He's a genius when it comes to complexity. However, I feel like his playing insists upon itself, to pull an idea from another fark thread. I've never been able to get into Joe, or Vai, or any of that dream theatre prog rock stuff.
 
2008-12-05 11:41:26 AM  
I giggled.
 
2008-12-05 11:51:42 AM  
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/obligatory
//You know how I know you're hotlinked? You like the bad Coldplay.
 
2008-12-05 11:53:25 AM  

zvoidx: Melody, phrasing and even the tempo is very close!

Coldplay doesn't have to intentionally steal it for it be a case. They could have heard it and then subconsiously wrote their song based on what they heard.

Joe Satriani will win. No doubt.


This certainly has a lot more weight to it than the Creaky Boards claim.

A way for Coldplay to "win" this case would be to find other songs that include this melody or one close to it, preferably in a song that was written before Satriani's. Even if you were too find other songs that rip off Satriani, he would need to go after everyone else as well, you can't selectively go after one artist.

Suing Coldplay is profitable, but going after bands like Creaky Boards...not so much.
 
2008-12-05 12:02:01 PM  

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: /obligatory
//You know how I know you're hotlinked? You like the bad Coldplay.


There's a good Coldplay?
 
2008-12-05 12:07:25 PM  

opiumpoopy: Mr Satriani has too much money to spend. These sort of legal actions very rarely succeed.

/ In other news, I have patented the A above middle C. So if you'd like to use it, please contact PoopyLicencing Inc.


DslainteC: Meh. Four bars (repeated) from the verse have similar melody lines. Not much of a case. Plus, a songwriting credit does not involve the chord progressions of the song, just the melody line.


Clearly neither of you have ever heard of Vanilla Ice or Queen.
 
2008-12-05 12:08:34 PM  

reyalfonso: The Dreaded Rear Admiral: /obligatory
//You know how I know you're hotlinked? You like the bad Coldplay.

There's a good Coldplay?


Meant "band" obviously, but "bad" works just as well in this situation.
 
2008-12-05 12:10:29 PM  
I dont understand the Coldplay hate. I understand the Chris Martin hate as he is self-absorbed, and egocentric, etc - but what lead singer is not? But I digress...

My point is that music IS SO FARKING BAD right now, why/how/would someone pick apart Coldplay when there are so many other horrible bands around. I mean the farking Jonas brothers are considered a legitimate "rock band" - This is crazy!!
 
2008-12-05 12:21:03 PM  
If you watch this (new window) clip, you can see how easily someone could get confused.
 
2008-12-05 12:21:19 PM  

NoFarkingWay: It's way too close. Check out the George Harrison trial.


Came here to say this.

The progression, melody, phrasing and tempo are nearly identical.

I think Coldplay better break out their checkbook.
 
2008-12-05 12:22:49 PM  

Tissot: I dont understand the Coldplay hate. I understand the Chris Martin hate as he is self-absorbed, and egocentric, etc - but what lead singer is not? But I digress...

My point is that music IS SO FARKING BAD right now, why/how/would someone pick apart Coldplay when there are so many other horrible bands around. I mean the farking Jonas brothers are considered a legitimate "rock band" - This is crazy!!


Coldplay is ok. It's just bland cheese rock for people who don't know any better, which of course is almost everybody, so its wildly successful.

Thus the hate.
 
2008-12-05 12:29:06 PM  
And my friend wants to sue them both.

Link (new window)
 
2008-12-05 12:32:20 PM  
oh, wrong guy, I thought submitter was referencing the Creaky Boards.

/not gonna sue the Satch
//DRTFA
 
2008-12-05 12:32:49 PM  

Tissot: My point is that music IS SO FARKING BAD right now, why/how/would someone pick apart Coldplay when there are so many other horrible bands around.


so Coldplay should get the pass because they barely clear an already low bar? Coldplay isn't nearly as bad as some make them out to be, especially since I don't recall any of their stuff being shoved down our throats since Yellow. But they are pretty goddamned generic.

I think I'm more annoyed they that get much more attention while those that do the same thing years before them got almost no attention.
 
2008-12-05 12:36:23 PM  
I think they should release the song together, it sounded pretty good mixed on the youtube linked above
 
2008-12-05 12:41:43 PM  
The overlay is noise, noise, noise, noise, RUUUUULE THE WOOOORLD, noise, noise, noise...

Three notes in progression is going to happen at some point. There are millions of songs in existence. The likelihood that two of them will have three notes in a row that sound alike is roughly the likelihood that out of a million monkeys at a million typewriters, one will manage to write a three letter word.
 
2008-12-05 12:42:27 PM  

Nunpoo: And my friend wants to sue them both.

Link (new window)


I can't tell if that's supposed to be satire or not.
 
2008-12-05 12:44:03 PM  
yeah, 'tis
 
2008-12-05 12:56:11 PM  
i can see [errr... hear] the similarity between the vocal melody and parts of the guitar melody, but do they REALLY have the same chords?
 
2008-12-05 12:58:40 PM  
what about all those songs with the
G, E-, C, D+ chord progression?

or G, F, C
or C, G, F. [left to right, up going down]

there's gotta be tons out there...
 
2008-12-05 01:01:34 PM  

Tommy Moo: The overlay is noise, noise, noise, noise, RUUUUULE THE WOOOORLD, noise, noise, noise...

Three notes in progression is going to happen at some point. There are millions of songs in existence. The likelihood that two of them will have three notes in a row that sound alike is roughly the likelihood that out of a million monkeys at a million typewriters, one will manage to write a three letter word.


Music is not the same as a word. ABC is always ABC in writing. But ABC in one song can sound very different than ABC in another, and that makes all of the difference. It isn't just notes in progression, it is how those notes are played.
 
2008-12-05 01:24:19 PM  
There's a lot of 'Beautiful Day's production in 'Viva La Vida' too.. but then, with Coldplay using Eno and Lanois and producers, no wonder.
 
2008-12-05 01:39:27 PM  
ATTENTION: I've held a patent on the tritone for the last 4 years - anybody using this without my permission owes me some money.
 
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