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(Time)   Wacky Middle-Easterners think Israel was responsible for 9/11, Saudi Arabia will bail out the U.S. economy in exchange for a U.S invasion of Iran, and - get this - Obama is a secret Muslim   (time.com) divider line 211
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2008-12-03 04:14:17 PM
globalwarmingpraiser: And I would venture that if America is really more Christian than secular, their very religion commands that they be altruistic.

Doing good deeds if you are a Christian is not altruism, it is heeding the word of God. That in and of itself is self interest.


Semantics?

Even so, you see the point, right? George Bush, who's famously open about his born-again Christianity, has ultimately disregarded the word of God.

Not to pick on him...;)
 
2008-12-03 04:15:07 PM
globalwarmingpraiser: The US is for the most part a force for good in this world. We are not perfect, but we try to do what is right.

No, it really isn't, is my point.

How can we be a "force for good" when right now we are the #1 threat to peace in the world?
 
2008-12-03 04:15:31 PM
...except when we fark up, which is usually a plutocrat's fault.
 
2008-12-03 04:16:39 PM
whidbey: #1 threat to peace in the world?

According to whom?
 
2008-12-03 04:16:49 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: The US is for the most part a force for good in this world. We are not perfect, but we try to do what is right.

No, it really isn't, is my point.

How can we be a "force for good" when right now we are the #1 threat to peace in the world?


Says who?

We'll kick their farking ass for talking shiat like that.
 
2008-12-03 04:18:53 PM
What a secret, with a name like HUSSEIN who woulda figured.. I hope we destroy them.
 
2008-12-03 04:18:59 PM
give me doughnuts: whidbey: #1 threat to peace in the world?

According to whom?


The rest of the world. We are the most hated and feared country worldwide.

Why do you think the world breathed a little easier when Obama was elected?

I'll grant that it's a bit overly hopeful to know for sure that he might do things differently, but the relief was pretty overwhelming.
 
2008-12-03 04:19:05 PM
All those peace loving Muslims?
All the mindwashed North Koreans?
All the impotence fearing Russians?
All the pussified Europeans?
All the genociderific africans?fark you.
 
2008-12-03 04:20:31 PM
whidbey: give me doughnuts: whidbey: #1 threat to peace in the world?

According to whom?

The rest of the world. We are the most hated and feared country worldwide.


More than Belgium?
 
2008-12-03 04:20:33 PM
I'm no theological scholar, but if you must pray (5) times a day and fore go a lot of trivial things just to be eligible for a shot at heaven, my guess is that flat out denying your faith would be pretty bad.

Thus the secret Muslim thing makes no sense, even from a theological standpoint.
 
2008-12-03 04:20:41 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: The US is for the most part a force for good in this world. We are not perfect, but we try to do what is right.

No, it really isn't, is my point.

How can we be a "force for good" when right now we are the #1 threat to peace in the world?


That doesn't mean we are a threat, it means we are powerful. When we start nuking other countries, or conquering coutries with a planof actually keeping them call me.
 
2008-12-03 04:23:51 PM
A Tout Le Monde: I'm no theological scholar, but if you must pray (5) times a day and fore go a lot of trivial things just to be eligible for a shot at heaven, my guess is that flat out denying your faith would be pretty bad.

Thus the secret Muslim thing makes no sense, even from a theological standpoint.


If it's a means to an ends to the greater good of Islam, it's cool.
 
2008-12-03 04:23:53 PM
globalwarmingpraiser: That doesn't mean we are a threat, it means we are powerful. When we start nuking other countries, or conquering coutries with a planof actually keeping them call me.

Too bad the rest of the world disagrees with you.

Heck, even your own fellow citizenry would like to have a word with you.

Still think I'm the extremist here?
 
2008-12-03 04:26:06 PM
whidbey:
The rest of the world. We are the most hated and feared country worldwide.

Why do you think the world breathed a little easier when Obama was elected?

I'll grant that it's a bit overly hopeful to know for sure that he might do things differently, but the relief was pretty overwhelming.


I don't think the United States is "feared and hated" by the majority of the civilized world.

Look, I know this is a truly poor excuse, but when a world power gets messed with(any world power) they are going to go looking for blood. Unfortunately, our own leader misdirected our aggression and we struck the wrong people. Since that time, we as a Nation have decided that we no longer want to go our old leaders direction.

Things are cooling down over here. People really don't give a shiat anymore about terrorists or 9/11. In some ways this is good. If more people would move on with their squabbles(looks at the Middle-East), there would be less fighting.
 
2008-12-03 04:27:20 PM
I find that I come across two distinct types of people at my business, some who believe that Obama is the secreet muslim and those that consider him to be an abomination to Islam. I personally see him as the future fifth face on Mount Rushmore.
 
2008-12-03 04:28:31 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: That doesn't mean we are a threat, it means we are powerful. When we start nuking other countries, or conquering coutries with a planof actually keeping them call me.

Too bad the rest of the world disagrees with you.

Heck, even your own fellow citizenry would like to have a word with you.

Still think I'm the extremist here?


Pacifism is an extreme, and a bad one. So, yes.
 
2008-12-03 04:29:10 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: That doesn't mean we are a threat, it means we are powerful. When we start nuking other countries, or conquering coutries with a planof actually keeping them call me.

Too bad the rest of the world disagrees with you.

Heck, even your own fellow citizenry would like to have a word with you.

Still think I'm the extremist here?


Then get all these farking immigrants away from us.
The poll was of Europeans, douchemeister.
Europeans are often French, Italian, or Belgian, and therefore not really human. They are also a fearful people. As in farking fraidy cats.
 
2008-12-03 04:31:00 PM
RockyMtnMan: I don't think the United States is "feared and hated" by the majority of the civilized world.

Well, I don't THINK blue is a color...

Evidence proves otherwise.

British believe Bush is more dangerous than Kim Jong-il

International poll ranks Bush a threat to world peace

US seen as a bigger threat to peace than Iran, worldwide poll suggests

Seriously, Obama has the greatest opportunity in decades to change this perception. Let's see if he actually does it.
 
2008-12-03 04:31:31 PM
whidbey: The rest of the world. We are the most hated and feared country worldwide.

Right. Well since everybody hates us so much, we should just stop all meddling in international affairs. No more troop deployments, no more aid, no more immigration, no more student visas (since we are obviously corrupting the minds of all these poor students with our evil Western values).
We will continue to buy and sell in the world market, but anything else is obviously threats and bribe attempts.
 
2008-12-03 04:31:53 PM
FTFA: The notion is especially popular among poor, undereducated Shi'ites dumb shiats.

FTFE

(They specify Iran and Iraq, but the same is true for pretty much every country.)

It never ceases to amaze and baffle me, that people would prefer to have a little bit of wrong information if it's juicy, than to have enough of the right information, even if it's not.


/rogue asteroids don't scare me anymore
 
2008-12-03 04:31:56 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: The US is for the most part a force for good in this world. We are not perfect, but we try to do what is right.

No, it really isn't, is my point.

How can we be a "force for good" when right now we are the #1 threat to peace in the world?


You are the most annoying person on all of Fark. All you do is cry about how bad everything is. I remember you whining about doing away with Thanksgiving because it celebrated "killing Indians." You never miss an opportunity to complain about how evil and bad the US is without spouting anything but the same routine useless drivel I could hear if I went to any college campus with a bunch of poli-sci 101 students sitting outside the bookstore making posters and t-shirts with puffy paint. You really should not live in the US if you feel that strongly about it. Why don't you try to do something if you are so emo about it, no instead you will just whine and cry and hope someone else does something. You aren't helping your cause when you completely neglect any efforts made by 3rd party organizations, individuals, or the US govt. itself when they try to partake in humanitarian efforts. Day in and day out wah wah wah wah, never ever have you focused on the positive. Does your glass have a hole in the bottom is that why you are such a negative nancy?
 
2008-12-03 04:32:08 PM
globalwarmingpraiser: Pacifism is an extreme, and a bad one. So, yes.

There is nothing extreme about pacifism. Nor is it bad,

so no. I'm hardly a rebel or a radical.
 
2008-12-03 04:33:27 PM
the money is in the banana stand: You are the most annoying person on all of Fark.

Good.

But your rant hardly discounts my arguments.

You might try DEBATING my points instead of just, well WHINING about them.

Give it a try.
 
2008-12-03 04:34:13 PM
RockyMtnMan: DROxINxTHExWIND:
If I rape your mother tonight, no one will blame you if you don't give me my props for volunteering in the soup kitchen on Thanksgiving.

And talking about me raping your mother does not diminish my charitable work. They are two seperate issues. You don't turn a blind eye to the bad that someone does because they've done something good.


You are correct, but wrong in your analogy.

You see, a lot of the aid and support the United States gives, directly saves lives. Have the man save a bus full of children instead of a soup kitchen and you get into the murk that is The United States. We do good and bad things.

The question is, what other Super Power would step into the United State's place and do a better job?

===========================================

I do like your analogy a little more than mine but I think your question is totally wrong. The question that you are asking is a question that allows us to gloss over any atrocities committed while we ty to claim the moral high ground.

The fact that some imaginary Super Power in an alternate universe may not be "as good" as America does not in any way justify any of America's unlawful or amoral actions.
 
2008-12-03 04:34:28 PM
filth: Makh: If he is a secret Muslim, then how come everyone knows it's a secret?

He's the only one who doesn't know; so clam up, see!


We've secretly replaced this executive's preacher with an imam. Let's see if he notices.
 
2008-12-03 04:35:29 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: Pacifism is an extreme, and a bad one. So, yes.

There is nothing extreme about pacifism.


No, Walter, your not wrong, you're just an asshole.
 
2008-12-03 04:36:31 PM
Microsoft might be on to something...

i217.photobucket.com
 
2008-12-03 04:38:52 PM
A Tout Le Monde: I'm no theological scholar, but if you must pray (5) times a day and fore go a lot of trivial things just to be eligible for a shot at heaven, my guess is that flat out denying your faith would be pretty bad.

Thus the secret Muslim thing makes no sense, even from a theological standpoint.


Except for the jihadists clause that any rules can be broken for the purpose of killing infidels.
 
2008-12-03 04:38:57 PM
whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: You are the most annoying person on all of Fark.

Good.

But your rant hardly discounts my arguments.

You might try DEBATING my points instead of just, well WHINING about them.

Give it a try.


Just apply the gates test. The U.S wins the gates test hands-down.
 
2008-12-03 04:39:01 PM
"you're"
 
2008-12-03 04:39:54 PM
WildBill1240 :

Are you going to post that in every thread? I mean, I'm sure it's tickling your fancy now, but it's going to wear thin if you over use it.
 
2008-12-03 04:39:55 PM
Theological Farker: A Tout Le Monde: I'm no theological scholar, but if you must pray (5) times a day and fore go a lot of trivial things just to be eligible for a shot at heaven, my guess is that flat out denying your faith would be pretty bad.

Thus the secret Muslim thing makes no sense, even from a theological standpoint.

Except for the jihadists clause that any rules can be broken for the purpose of killing infidels.


Let me qualify this. In NO WAY do I believe this secret muslim crap is accurate. This is just a response to the above. Jihadists can do pretty much whatever the hell they want becuase holy suicide trumps everything else and guarantees an in.
 
2008-12-03 04:40:59 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: RockyMtnMan: DROxINxTHExWIND:
If I rape your mother tonight, no one will blame you if you don't give me my props for volunteering in the soup kitchen on Thanksgiving.

And talking about me raping your mother does not diminish my charitable work. They are two seperate issues. You don't turn a blind eye to the bad that someone does because they've done something good.


You are correct, but wrong in your analogy.

You see, a lot of the aid and support the United States gives, directly saves lives. Have the man save a bus full of children instead of a soup kitchen and you get into the murk that is The United States. We do good and bad things.

The question is, what other Super Power would step into the United State's place and do a better job?
===========================================

I do like your analogy a little more than mine but I think your question is totally wrong. The question that you are asking is a question that allows us to gloss over any atrocities committed while we ty to claim the moral high ground.

The fact that some imaginary Super Power in an alternate universe may not be "as good" as America does not in any way justify any of America's unlawful or amoral actions.


"relative" is a word worth learning.

/it's a bad, bad world we live in
//proof is in the puddin'
///mmmmm mmmmmmm puddin'
 
2008-12-03 04:41:33 PM

It's all the jew's fault.

freespace.virgin.net
 
2008-12-03 04:41:54 PM
Oh wow man...

Thanks, anonymous, for the TF!

*wears badge proudly*
 
2008-12-03 04:42:15 PM
whidbey: globalwarmingpraiser: Pacifism is an extreme, and a bad one. So, yes.

There is nothing extreme about pacifism. Nor is it bad,

so no. I'm hardly a rebel or a radical.


There is a spectrum to pacifism (as there is to any political or philosophical stance).
Are you the sort of pacifist that thinks violence between nations should end and there should be a diplomatic solution to disputes, or are you the sort of pacifist that will not use violence no matter what the provocation?
 
2008-12-03 04:42:24 PM
Well, two out of three isn't bad.
 
2008-12-03 04:42:40 PM
whidbey: the money is in the banana stand: You are the most annoying person on all of Fark.

Good.

But your rant hardly discounts my arguments.

You might try DEBATING my points instead of just, well WHINING about them.

Give it a try.


I love how you always feel like you are making these grandiose arguments when they are pretty much always smarmy 1 liners you overheard at a Whole Foods. Your fantastic point was "the US is evil and threatens world peace." GREAT points and proof the ENTIRE country, government, and its residents seek to do evil upon the world and hunger for war and not live in a peaceful world they can get fat and rich in.
 
2008-12-03 04:42:50 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND:

The fact that some imaginary Super Power in an alternate universe may not be "as good" as America does not in any way justify any of America's unlawful or amoral actions.


Thank goodness! Now every mother standing up in court saying her worthless murderous son was always a such good boy can now sit the fark down and shut the fark up.
 
2008-12-03 04:44:51 PM
whidbey: Oh wow man...

Thanks, anonymous, for the TF!

*wears badge proudly*


Elitist bastard.
 
2008-12-03 04:45:28 PM
give me doughnuts: Are you the sort of pacifist that thinks violence between nations should end and there should be a diplomatic solution to disputes, or are you the sort of pacifist that will not use violence no matter what the provocation?

I'm the kind of pacifist that would like to see this country actually WORK towards peace for once instead of constantly living for war.

Because that's how we roll.

I understand that sometimes violence is necessary. I just cannot think of a single incident since WWII where it was justified.
 
2008-12-03 04:46:07 PM
Gosh, let me see...

Has ANY nation ever been a greater force for good than America?
 
2008-12-03 04:46:22 PM
whidbey: Oh wow man...

Thanks, anonymous, for the TF!

*wears badge proudly*


There goes the neighborhood...
 
2008-12-03 04:47:19 PM
Theological Farker:
Elitist bastard.

Lulz!
 
2008-12-03 04:47:25 PM
the money is in the banana stand: I love how you always feel like you are making these grandiose arguments when they are pretty much always smarmy 1 liners you overheard at a Whole Foods.

Like I said, you might actually try DEBATING my points.

You know? Using EVIDENCE to back up your points instead of yelling at me like I'm some Philistine?

You really should give it a go...if you're constitutionally capable of such an act.
 
2008-12-03 04:48:31 PM
loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND:

The fact that some imaginary Super Power in an alternate universe may not be "as good" as America does not in any way justify any of America's unlawful or amoral actions.

Thank goodness! Now every mother standing up in court saying her worthless murderous son was always a such good boy can now sit the fark down and shut the fark up.


img376.imageshack.us
 
2008-12-03 04:48:49 PM
loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND:

The fact that some imaginary Super Power in an alternate universe may not be "as good" as America does not in any way justify any of America's unlawful or amoral actions.

Thank goodness! Now every mother standing up in court saying her worthless murderous son was always a such good boy can now sit the fark down and shut the fark up.

===========================================

Not sure what being a character witness has to do this, but ok.
 
2008-12-03 04:51:11 PM
whidbey: give me doughnuts: Are you the sort of pacifist that thinks violence between nations should end and there should be a diplomatic solution to disputes, or are you the sort of pacifist that will not use violence no matter what the provocation?

I'm the kind of pacifist that would like to see this country actually WORK towards peace for once instead of constantly living for war.

Because that's how we roll.

I understand that sometimes violence is necessary. I just cannot think of a single incident since WWII where it was justified.


It would be nice, but since nations are comprised of human beings (violent semi-intelligent primates), it is also unrealistic.
 
2008-12-03 04:53:28 PM
give me doughnuts: whidbey: give me doughnuts: Are you the sort of pacifist that thinks violence between nations should end and there should be a diplomatic solution to disputes, or are you the sort of pacifist that will not use violence no matter what the provocation?

I'm the kind of pacifist that would like to see this country actually WORK towards peace for once instead of constantly living for war.

Because that's how we roll.

I understand that sometimes violence is necessary. I just cannot think of a single incident since WWII where it was justified.

It would be nice, but since nations are comprised of human beings (violent semi-intelligent primates), it is also unrealistic.


You forgot to add the whole fanatic religion into that mix.

Be nice if nations could sit down and debate out problems in a wise and intelligent way, but its sort of hard to when you got the invisible sky wizard telling you to kill people.
 
2008-12-03 04:54:07 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: loki see loki do: DROxINxTHExWIND:

The fact that some imaginary Super Power in an alternate universe may not be "as good" as America does not in any way justify any of America's unlawful or amoral actions.

Thank goodness! Now every mother standing up in court saying her worthless murderous son was always a such good boy can now sit the fark down and shut the fark up.
===========================================

Not sure what being a character witness has to do this, but ok.


Seems to me you were suggesting that there is no such thing as mitigating circumstances. That a lifetime of good deeds can not in someway balance an evil deed.
 
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