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2008-12-02 12:42:07 PM
Ahhhhh....Hamburgers..
 
2008-12-02 12:42:08 PM
coyote71: Toby Keith approves of his motion

I can't believe what Christmas
Has come to today
All these atheists and judges
Tryin' to take it away
No carols in our public schools
No trees in city hall
And they wish you Season's Greetings
At the shopping mall
Ain't you sick of it all?

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some lawyer said
I say it's time we separated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
'Cause have I got a present for you

It's the thought that counts!

Christmas is as American as apple pie
It's the late December version of the
Fourth of July
And they may go by a different name
But Uncle Sam and Santa Claus
Are one and the same

So boys, take aim!

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some liberal said
I say it's time we liberated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
Buddy, I got a present for you

I hope it's the right size!

Oh say can you see this Christmas
Baby Jesus, 'tis of thee
I'm placing 50 shining stars atop
The Statue of LiberTree
Then I'll go and jingle the Liberty Bell
Host Old Glory with an elf
If you say I can't deck my halls
Then I'll deck you myself!

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year old St. Nicholas is taking it back
He's firing guns from his reindeer
Dropping bombs from his sled
This year if you're are not then you're as good as dead
He wears red and white
But you can throw in blue
And has he got a present for you

St. Toby's got one too!
Yeah, we got a present for you
As in the A-C-L-U

Easy Rudolph!
Down, boy!

/Off to pick up some Christmas presents with 4th wise man, Willie Nelson
//And let not mankind bogart love


And once again, Toby Keith demonstrates that he is a douchebag.
 
2008-12-02 12:42:20 PM
Christmas is not the entire month of December. I can see people saying Merry Christmas on the 24th or the 25th, but now? Why?

Do you see saying happy new year on December 26th?
 
2008-12-02 12:43:45 PM
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Who gives a shiat about Jesus!?
 
2008-12-02 12:43:50 PM
Aparently, if you are an elected official, you cannot hold any opinion that is not held by every member of your constituency.

So THAT is why all the politicians seem so empty-headed all the time.
 
2008-12-02 12:44:44 PM
As if there weren't a million such indicators out there, but ...

Shouldn't it terrify Americans that a US Senator doesn't understand something as basic as free speech?

Memorization of the Bill of Rights should be a requirement to run for any office.

It's an absolute shame ... a real farking embarrassment to the State of Utah, as well as the entire country, that not even free speech is held as so sacrosanct as to even entertain the thought of violating it, especially by one who has taken repeated vows to protect and defend the Constitution. He should be indicted for perjury and treason and locked up for the rest of his life.

The Founders revolted against Britain for a tiny fraction of the injustice Americans let roll off their shoulders today ...
 
2008-12-02 12:44:54 PM
A Merry Alvis-tide to you all.
Whiskey, guns, and BBQ for everyone!
 
2008-12-02 12:45:03 PM
When will these folks read the Bill of Rights and let this crap drop?
 
2008-12-02 12:45:03 PM
Why is "happy holidays" so offensive to you twats? It includes everyone that way.

Oh right, Utah.
 
2008-12-02 12:45:14 PM
I agree with what has been said above. There is no reason for any kind of government interference on this issue. Personally, I think the PCing of the holiday is stupid, but that is a businesses choice. If they think it is going to get them more customers and money, then that is their choice. It may or may not work out for them and they can base next years decision off of this years results
 
2008-12-02 12:45:17 PM
God I am so tired of this bullshiat. It's not just a secularization of Christmas; there are multiple "Holidays" this time of year. Why not just sum it up as one greeting? As Jon Stewart said "Yeah, I could say 'Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year', but I got shiat to do."
 
2008-12-02 12:45:32 PM
Stupid proposal. But then again, so is the idea of people getting bent out of shape when merchants say "Merry Christmas", instead of "Happy Holidays". It's 4 weeks outta the whole year. Suck it up, buttercups. All of ya.
 
2008-12-02 12:45:35 PM
OlafTheBent: I won't yell or scream and make a scene... I just probably won't come back, ever. Call me petty.

Petty, needy, pathetic, insecure...
 
2008-12-02 12:45:49 PM
I'm in favor of that, too. But instead of "Merry Christmas" I want to legislate that everyone say "fark your mother!" as a happy joyful greeting.
 
2008-12-02 12:46:12 PM
barneyfifesbullet: Next year, we will all have to celebrate Kwanzaa. You'll do it or you're a raaccisstt.

I'd rather celebrate Festivus. Beer for everyone.


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'Festival! Festival! Landruu commands it!!!!'
 
2008-12-02 12:46:31 PM
my grandfather always says "Happy Merry"

thats what i say too now.
 
2008-12-02 12:46:52 PM
Mugato: Petty, needy, pathetic, insecure...

You should see some of the crap he whines about in TotalFark. He's unbelievable.
 
2008-12-02 12:47:16 PM
daas_boot: Why is "happy holidays" so offensive to you twats? It includes everyone that way.

Oh right, Utah.


Christians NEED to feel persecuted. It's a defining cultural factor for them.
 
2008-12-02 12:47:49 PM
WTF is wrong with Americans???

STFU, quit whining, care about shiat that matters and move along.
 
2008-12-02 12:47:51 PM
OlafTheBent: Look... it's really quite simple.

If you want to make money off "Christmas", don't be afraid to use the word... it isn't an insult.

People that find "Christmas" insulting somehow need to cut the dose.

Every year I wish my neighbour a very Happy Hanakah (sp?) to him and his family... and he wishes me a Merry Christmas. It's not meant to be difficult people.

"I bring you tidings of joy."

"How dare you bring me tidings... TIDINGS?... MAY GOD KILL YOUR FAMILY."


Are you really this stupid? Or are you trolling? Just curious.

The difference between you and a major retailer is that you know your neighbor personally. Major retailers cater to millions of customers of many different religious affiliations, almost none of whom they know personally. Thus, when a major retailer wishes a customer "merry Christmas," it may very well be sending the wrong greeting. Is that the end of the world? No. But why risk a faux pas, when the possibility can be avoided entirely by wishing all customers an inclusive "happy holidays?"

What people like you are really upset about is that the inclusive "happy holidays" is a signal that the longtime dominion of Christianity as America's unofficial national religion is nearing its end. But all things come to an end, and you'll be better off if you just accept that America will inevitably include people who are different from you.
 
2008-12-02 12:47:53 PM
Little man looking for a BIG name... Merry Christmas - Happy Holidays... Who gives a Fark?
 
2008-12-02 12:49:01 PM
SynthLord: Shouldn't it terrify Americans that a US Senator doesn't understand something as basic as free speech?

It should, but if it makes you feel any better, this man is NOT a US Senator. He's a Utah State Senator.
 
2008-12-02 12:49:06 PM
Buttars is a butt-fark bigoted mormon who keeps getting voted in by the butt-fark bigot mormons. He's a disgrace.
He probably takes it in the Butt-Arse.
 
2008-12-02 12:49:53 PM
Shrug.. Let people and/or companies call it whatever they want to call it. What the hell is wrong with people and the need to control what other people do?
 
2008-12-02 12:50:09 PM
Pinner: He's a disgrace.
He probably takes it in the Butt-Arse.


Naw, they paid to have that voted down in California.
 
2008-12-02 12:50:23 PM
SynthLord: Shouldn't it terrify Americans that a US Senator doesn't understand something as basic as free speech?


He's a State Senator. From Utah. This shouldn't shock anyone.
 
2008-12-02 12:50:34 PM
OlafTheBent: Look... it's really quite simple.

If you want to make money off "Christmas", don't be afraid to use the word... it isn't an insult.

People that find "Christmas" insulting somehow need to cut the dose.

Every year I wish my neighbour a very Happy Hanakah (sp?) to him and his family... and he wishes me a Merry Christmas. It's not meant to be difficult people.

"I bring you tidings of joy."

"How dare you bring me tidings... TIDINGS?... MAY GOD KILL YOUR FAMILY."


I don't think that retailers are 'afraid' of using Christmas. They just use Happy Holidays to be inclusive, and also, i suppose it makes thier holiday marketing alot simpler than having to come up with seperate ads and promotional materials for Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa, and whatever other holidays happen this time of year. The whole 'PC people are ashame/afraid of Christmas' thing is largely a myth concocted by far right wingnuts like this guy, who want to pick a fight where one doesn't really exist. As a kid growing up, I saw people use happy holidays everywhere and no one, not even very religious people, seemed to be bothered by it or took it as an insult against thier particular religion. The whole War on Christmas thing seems to be something very new that has come about in the last decade. Millions of US Christians go about thier Christmas season not giving a rats ass if Target or Walmart is propping up thier religion over all others. It's only a very vocal minority of idiots that keep pushing this War on Christmas crap.

Also, with regard to the proposed bill, why waste your time when it'll clearly get struck down as unConstitutional on 1st amendment grounds (retailers should be able to promote or not promote whatever holidays they so choose, and in whatever manner they choose) and the fact that by forcing retailers to promote Christmas, a Christian holiday, it is also establishing respect for a particular religion, also a 1st Amendment no-no.
 
2008-12-02 12:50:46 PM
Funny, I've never met anyone who was offended by being told "Merry Christmas". I've heard from, met and know personally many people who get biatchy about "Happy Holidays" though because they think we're a Christian nation. One guy I know actually talks about how he's asked store employees if he's in a happy holidays or a merry Christmas store. If it's the former, he leaves. WTF, people? That's just retarded.

Yes, how dare people wish me well. That's horrible. They must be stopped!

/Lo, Saturnalia!
 
2008-12-02 12:50:50 PM
This Jihad on the Semantics of Pleasantries sure makes us look like an advanced nation...


Ya bunchafuggin anti-semantics
 
2008-12-02 12:50:58 PM
tortilla burger: Buttars, R-West Jordan, wants retailers to embrace Christmas in their promotions, saying the United States is a Christian nation and ought to use the holiday's name.

What frightens me is that these people are in charge of our government.


If it makes you feel better, unless you live in Utah, he's not necessarily your problem.

Of course, the grand irony is, if my hunch is correct, he likely would have been oppressed by Christians because of his faith if he lived 150 years ago. (Okay, OTHER Christians. Depends on how you look at it.) WHERE IS YOUR CHRISTIAN NATION NOW?
 
2008-12-02 12:51:05 PM
The American Taliban trying to get Sharia law passed again?
 
2008-12-02 12:51:16 PM
OlafTheBent: /Who the fark do you think you are exactly?

someone who doesn't need constant reaffirmation of their existence/beliefs, apparently.
 
2008-12-02 12:51:41 PM
Senator, you are my
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coyote71: Toby Keith approves of his motion

I can't believe what Christmas
Has come to today
All these atheists and judges
Tryin' to take it away
No carols in our public schools
No trees in city hall
And they wish you Season's Greetings
At the shopping mall
Ain't you sick of it all?

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some lawyer said
I say it's time we separated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
'Cause have I got a present for you

It's the thought that counts!

Christmas is as American as apple pie
It's the late December version of the
Fourth of July
And they may go by a different name
But Uncle Sam and Santa Claus
Are one and the same

So boys, take aim!

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some liberal said
I say it's time we liberated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
Buddy, I got a present for you

I hope it's the right size!

Oh say can you see this Christmas
Baby Jesus, 'tis of thee
I'm placing 50 shining stars atop
The Statue of LiberTree
Then I'll go and jingle the Liberty Bell
Host Old Glory with an elf
If you say I can't deck my halls
Then I'll deck you myself!

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year old St. Nicholas is taking it back
He's firing guns from his reindeer
Dropping bombs from his sled
This year if you're are not then you're as good as dead
He wears red and white
But you can throw in blue
And has he got a present for you

St. Toby's got one too!
Yeah, we got a present for you
As in the A-C-L-U

Easy Rudolph!
Down, boy!

/Off to pick up some Christmas presents with 4th wise man, Willie Nelson
//And let not mankind bogart love


And the reindeer are goats.


You cant tell the difference on TV
 
2008-12-02 12:51:45 PM
There are other holidays in the vicinity...Xmas yes, but also new years and Hannukah. In fact this year I believe one of the days of Hannukah is Xmas. Not to mention the fact that we were founded on a seperation of church and state and hence are not a Christian nation.
 
2008-12-02 12:53:09 PM
I went to a store to buy gift bags the week before Christmas. The guy before me bought gift bags with pictures of Santa Claus. To him, the cashier said "Merry Christmas."

I don't celebrate Christmas and I was buying seasonal gift bags with snowmen on them. To me, the cashier said "Happy Holidays." I wouldn't have been offended had she said Christmas, but I was so impressed at her consideration and (correct) attention to detail that I go out of my way to go back to that store whenever I can. It's just good business.
 
2008-12-02 12:53:16 PM
by the way: When do people start saying holidays? Around Thanksgiving. So "Holidays" refers not just to the religious holidays in December, but also Thankgivings and New Years.


get off your high horses.
 
2008-12-02 12:53:50 PM
OlafTheBent: Tastes Like Chicken: It's really just amazing to me that you think the store should cater to you to that extent.

... and yet you seem to have some belief that I should care what your opinion is.

Yes... because saying "Merry Christmas" is SUCH a stretch for the poor disenfranchised youth of today... such effort required... how would you EVER manage it?... you poor thing. If anyone doesn't want my business, go ahead and look disinterested, ignore me when I ask for assistance, look like some mouth-breathing self-entitled twat loser... have fun in the unemployment line.

Do you know what happens when I receive good service?... I tell my friends and family. I brag on the store's behalf and actively push people to experience the good service I received.

Take a wild farking guess who is likely to stay in business longer.

/Who the fark do you think you are exactly?


Wow. You're a real cock-shiner huh? A big-time asshole me-first American dickhead? Good job.

Do you think the store cares one little bit about you? NO. They don't care. The faster they can get you in and out the better, and in case you hadn't noticed, the small guys spending time on their customers ARE the ones going out of business. It's the big impersonal box-stores sticking around. This may come as a shock, but your family and friends aren't a big enough demographic for a store to stay in business. Your bragging to your friends and family means jack-farking-shiat to 99% of the stores out there.

Well, have a great holiday! Have a great time shopping in that one store near you that tosses your salad while you wait, and make sure to tell every single person you know about them, because otherwise they won't be in business next year. They'll be replaced by someone who actually knows a thing or two about running a business.
 
2008-12-02 12:53:52 PM
MonkeyAngst: SynthLord: Shouldn't it terrify Americans that a US Senator doesn't understand something as basic as free speech?

It should, but if it makes you feel any better, this man is NOT a US Senator. He's a Utah State Senator.


You're right, of course - I was partially blinded by outrage.

This shiat absolutely infuriates me. I'm so sick of government being a country club for people who think they have the right to tell people what to do.
 
2008-12-02 12:54:34 PM
In this, the holiday season, I believe it's important for each and every one of us to do our upmost to restrict and annoy anyone whose beliefs differ from our own. Can't we all just not get along!
 
2008-12-02 12:54:57 PM
patrick767: Funny, I've never met anyone who was offended by being told "Merry Christmas".

Some non-Christians, including some Jews for example, do get a bit tired of strangers automatically assuming that they celebrate Christian holidays and greeting them accordingly. "Offended" probably isn't the right word, "annoyed" is probably more accurate.
 
2008-12-02 12:55:14 PM
How about we celebrate the birthday of the First Amendment?
Wikipedia: The First Amendment, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, was adopted on December 15, 1791 in order to provide such guarantees.

www.nonzerochance.com
 
2008-12-02 12:55:18 PM
I remember last year my mom was in a bank in early December and she made an off hand comment on how there were no Christmas decorations up. An employee overheard her and said they just thought it would be better for all of their customers if they didn't put anything up. My mom then told the woman that she, as a Christian, was offended. The bank was in an area with a sizable Jewish and Asian (Indian mostly) population. I agreed with the bank employee and told her. She got all into a huff about how things were when she was growing up. My palm could not have reached my face fast enough. Disregard the fact that times have changed, it's like you just can't win with some people.
 
2008-12-02 12:55:20 PM
bottsicus: He's a State Senator. From Utah. This shouldn't shock anyone.

I wish the comments could be edited .... I'm going to catch hell for this all day.
 
2008-12-02 12:55:31 PM
Censorship is stupid.

Senators are stupid.

Haters in the Name of the God of Love and the Prince of Peace are stupid.

There's a reason commercial enterprises choose to wish their customers happy holy days rather than a Merkin Christmas.

Their customers are celebrating Christmas, New Year's, Boxing Day (Canada) or The Feast of St-Stephen's (trad.), plus the Twelve Nights of Christmas, and Epiphany. They are also celebrating Hannakuh (spelling and pronounced variously) and Kwanzaa. Some of them are not celebrating anything. Others are celebrating the Winter Solstice, the Real Reason for the Season, or Festivus, another stupid made-up holiday like Christmas, New Year's, Boxing Day, Kwanzaa, etc. A few die-hard pagans are holding out for Saturnalia. They should not hold their breath for Christians to give it back. Christians never give back anything they steal: Yule logs, mistletoe, holly, christmas garlands of fir bows, Santa Claus (who is actually Mercury, the God of thieves, merchants, children and travellers), etc.

The commercial enterprises are celebrating solvency. They hope.

They don't need some politicizing pious holly-prick to tell them how to make money by massaging their customers egos, religiosity, wallets and purses. They know what they are doing.
 
2008-12-02 12:55:31 PM
HappyFarker: Senator, you are my



coyote71: Toby Keith approves of his motion

I can't believe what Christmas
Has come to today
All these atheists and judges
Tryin' to take it away
No carols in our public schools
No trees in city hall
And they wish you Season's Greetings
At the shopping mall
Ain't you sick of it all?

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some lawyer said
I say it's time we separated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
'Cause have I got a present for you

It's the thought that counts!

Christmas is as American as apple pie
It's the late December version of the
Fourth of July
And they may go by a different name
But Uncle Sam and Santa Claus
Are one and the same

So boys, take aim!

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some liberal said
I say it's time we liberated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
Buddy, I got a present for you

I hope it's the right size!

Oh say can you see this Christmas
Baby Jesus, 'tis of thee
I'm placing 50 shining stars atop
The Statue of LiberTree
Then I'll go and jingle the Liberty Bell
Host Old Glory with an elf
If you say I can't deck my halls
Then I'll deck you myself!

Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year old St. Nicholas is taking it back
He's firing guns from his reindeer
Dropping bombs from his sled
This year if you're are not then you're as good as dead
He wears red and white
But you can throw in blue
And has he got a present for you

St. Toby's got one too!
Yeah, we got a present for you
As in the A-C-L-U

Easy Rudolph!
Down, boy!

/Off to pick up some Christmas presents with 4th wise man, Willie Nelson
//And let not mankind bogart love

And the reindeer are goats.


You cant tell the difference on TV


here, have some Nutmeg.
 
2008-12-02 12:56:11 PM
Buttars? Well, no suprise here. I'm just suprised he didn't use any racial slurs this time.

/Utahn
//Our legislature is crazy stupid
 
2008-12-02 12:56:15 PM
It's a little flamey, but:

get rid of all the damn religions. fark all this waste of time shiat involving sky wizards. Ban all practicing religion in the states and I will be an extremely happy person.
 
2008-12-02 12:56:31 PM
Attention Uber-Mega-Hyper-christians:

This is not a theocracy. Retailers have freedom of speech. Take your bogus war on xmas and FARK OFF!!!

/I love seeing what happens when a religious group that takes pride in its persecution ends up running a whole state and treating it like a theocracy.
 
2008-12-02 12:56:34 PM
So here's the irony: No one is forcing advertisers to avoid the word Christmas...but here comes this dipshiat to force advertisers to avoid the words "Happy Holidays."

Where is your hypocrisy god now?
 
2008-12-02 12:56:34 PM
♫ Dum dum dum dum dum ♫
 
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