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(Ars Technica)   Many US households will be in for a surprise when they stop receiving TV in February   (arstechnica.com) divider line 105
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2008-11-30 03:08:39 AM  
Submitter may be in for a bigger surprise to find our 7.4% does not equal a majority.
 
2008-11-30 03:38:59 AM  
These same people are probably surprised when the sun rises every day.

They're also the people who polled as "undecided" on Nov. 3.
 
2008-11-30 03:46:00 AM  
Sinister Steve: Submitter may be in for a bigger surprise to find our 7.4% does not equal a majority.

THIS
 
2008-11-30 03:52:58 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: These same people are probably surprised when the sun rises every day.

They're also the people who polled as "undecided" on Nov. 3.


Exactly. I mean, if only there was some sort of ad campaign - heck, *multiple* ad campaigns in multiple media... if only, then these people would have had some warning.

/if they missed all the ads and/or did nothing by February, well, screw `em. They'll be motivated to ask at THAT point, and get a damned converter box.
//and I will laugh at them
///except the elderly, to whom phones are still high-tech. heh.
 
2008-11-30 04:04:02 AM  
www.serenedominic.com

What is this "TV" contraption you're going on about?
 
2008-11-30 04:29:11 AM  
I keep wondering if I shouldn't go ahead and get a free set-top box to sell to some poor sap come February...
 
2008-11-30 04:58:10 AM  
They've been showing those commercials on TV since 2007. If people haven't figured it out by now, they deserve to be TV-less.
 
2008-11-30 05:06:58 AM  
GreenAdder: They've been showing those commercials on TV since 2007. If people haven't figured it out by now, they deserve to be TV-less.

And if they somehow manage to gather enough wits to contact someone, anyone, complaining about their sudden lack of TV, they should immediately be red flagged for sterilization and gathered into a central location where they can be monitored, lest they hurt themselves or others.
 
2008-11-30 05:08:47 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: I keep wondering if I shouldn't go ahead and get a free set-top box to sell to some poor sap come February...

They aren't completely free. You're entitled to two coupons per household (really a plastic "debit" style card) worth $40 each, with your end price on each converter box generally being $10.
 
2008-11-30 05:14:16 AM  
They'll just push the date back to accommodate idiots - happens all the time.
 
2008-11-30 06:26:05 AM  
SJKebab: They'll just push the date back to accommodate idiots - happens all the time.

No, this is pretty much written in stone.
 
2008-11-30 06:32:09 AM  
I don't understand why people watch television.

No, seriously. You basically. . . Sit your ass down on a comfortable piece of furniture, and stare at a device that feeds you advertisements and a biased view of reality, or a tiny shred of a story crammed into what's left of an hour or half hour after the advertisements are inserted.

Why do this when you could step outside, read the internets, play a game, read a book, or... hell, even just watching a movie means that you're not wasting minutes of your life watching someone try to sell you something that you don't need while you try to be entertained!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2008-11-30 06:38:05 AM  
They've been showing those commercials on TV since 2007.

I have never seen one. I watch PBS and the occasional football game, and I turn off the sound during commercials. Maybe I won't miss TV.
 
2008-11-30 06:48:03 AM  
All I know is that my cable company told me that if I bought a converter box, connected it via coaxial, that I'd receive the "extra" digital channels through that. (Channel 8.1, 8.2, etc.)

Liars. Anyone want to buy a converter box?
 
2008-11-30 06:50:17 AM  
starsrift: I don't understand why people watch television.

No, seriously. You basically. . . Sit your ass down on a comfortable piece of furniture, and stare at a device that feeds you advertisements and a biased view of reality, or a tiny shred of a story crammed into what's left of an hour or half hour after the advertisements are inserted.

Why do this when you could step outside, read the internets, play a game, read a book, or... hell, even just watching a movie means that you're not wasting minutes of your life watching someone try to sell you something that you don't need while you try to be entertained!


Starsrift no offense, well ok a little, but that reminds me of the story of the single most pretentious statement I've heard in my life. When I was in college I was friends with this girl and one weekend her dad and step-mom came down to visit. The woman had an air of pretension to her to begin with saying things like "Suburban life is driving and driving and not getting anywhere." Then we went to their hotel room (which was a cabin at the local state park and we heard several times it was better than a corporate hotel) When we walked into the hotel(cabin) room she looked at the tv and announced to us "There's the TV, we haven't even turned it on."

I love doing all the other things in your post starsrift but you could have tried not to come off sounding so condescending.
 
2008-11-30 07:05:59 AM  
Jimsus: I love doing all the other things in your post starsrift but you could have tried not to come off sounding so condescending.

I'm sorry, we Canucks don't know the meaning of the word "humility".

No, seriously, I wasn't trying to be condescending. I simply do not understand. You didn't try to explain at all. :(
 
2008-11-30 07:12:15 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw These same people are probably surprised when the sun rises every day.

They're also the people who polled as "undecided" on Nov. 3.


farm4.static.flickr.com

I'm gonna go with "Attention Seekers". People who are too douchy to watch TV because they are too busy trying to be an internet celebrity by posing on their webcams, plastic surgery addicts, ghey sunglasses wearers who holding up a fan of 20's all while thinking they're the shiat.
 
2008-11-30 07:14:45 AM  
ZAZ: I watch PBS and the occasional football game

PBS has been using short little This Old House spots to talk about it
 
2008-11-30 07:18:34 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: sunglasses wearers who holding up a fan of 20's

you sposed to axe permission...
 
2008-11-30 07:36:28 AM  
Our local stations are now also doing a "countdown" at least once every 1/2 hour in their newscasts.

We have a converter box, but I haven't tried it out yet. Our TV is ancient by modern standards, and we mostly use it for PBS, some news, and about, oh, zero network shows.

What I will miss is the little 5" B&W TV in the kitchen.
 
2008-11-30 08:02:42 AM  
The government is behaving like these are oxygen machines not TVs. It will probably do some people good to be without TV for a while.

/No TV on Tuesdays in our house since 2007. Many of our greatest family moments have been on Tuesdays since.
 
2008-11-30 08:06:25 AM  
starsrift: I don't understand why people watch television.

No, seriously. You basically. . . Sit your ass down on a comfortable piece of furniture, and stare at a device that feeds you advertisements and a biased view of reality, or a tiny shred of a story crammed into what's left of an hour or half hour after the advertisements are inserted.

Why do this when you could step outside, read the internets, play a game, read a book, or... hell, even just watching a movie means that you're not wasting minutes of your life watching someone try to sell you something that you don't need while you try to be entertained!


Because it's easier to post stuff like this on the internet?
 
2008-11-30 08:30:39 AM  
pavinrtheway: The government is behaving like these are oxygen machines not TVs. It will probably do some people good to be without TV for a while.

Yes, I expect if they put as much $ and thought into a minor poverty reduction program that helped a few thousand people have genuinely better lives, the world would become an incrementally better place. But the frothing masses demand their ad-spewing glass teat.
 
2008-11-30 08:32:17 AM  
The FCC and the Federal Trade Commision and their contractor, IBM, have outdone FEMA in the incompetent delivery of these set top converters. The date will be pushed back. The people who will be hurt voted for Buchanan in Florida in the 2000 election.

What city dump is ready to receive all those 1980s console sets anyway on Feb 18.
 
2008-11-30 08:38:50 AM  
I wonder how long it will take for the MPAA to insert flags into the data streams to keep people from recording shows.
 
2008-11-30 08:40:10 AM  
Oh no, Matlock ratings are going to plummet!!!!
 
2008-11-30 08:40:52 AM  
castufari: I wonder how long it will take for the MPAA to insert flags into the data streams to keep people from recording shows.

Longer than it will take someone clever to find a way around it.
 
2008-11-30 08:41:04 AM  
I got one of the boxes. However, I get no signal. Only reason we got it is that the VCR won't be able to work without one. I have a 70 mi. yagi antenna, and I'm 55 miles from the TV towers. No signal. Tried just running it to the TV and no signal. Right now I get all Broadcast channels in Analog. 2, 4,5, 7, 9, 11, 13. So when the changeover comes, it looks like I will have to go to satellite or cable, and use a DVR. What crap.
 
2008-11-30 08:42:37 AM  
starsrift: I don't understand why people watch television.
You made the paper. (new window)
 
2008-11-30 08:46:30 AM  
I would wonder exactly how many people there are in the US who solely recieve over the air broadcasts instead of cable, sat, or some other service.

There is also the confusion between digital TV and HDTV. I think it would have been easier if there weren't the differing standards. All I can say with a certainty is that the wonks at CC/BB/etc. Don't have a clue what the customers really need.
 
2008-11-30 08:46:36 AM  
Occam's Chainsaw: GreenAdder: They've been showing those commercials on TV since 2007. If people haven't figured it out by now, they deserve to be TV-less.

And if they somehow manage to gather enough wits to contact someone, anyone, complaining about their sudden lack of TV, they should immediately be red flagged for sterilization and gathered into a central location where they can be monitored, lest they hurt themselves or others.


You know who else advocated sterilization and putting people into camps? (sorry had to)
 
2008-11-30 08:51:45 AM  
CougarJeff:
bingo the psych-o:


I guess I understand. . . Nobody knows why you watch television when better options are available - but you're not one of the cool kids if you don't. :(
 
2008-11-30 08:52:34 AM  
I more scared of WHAT kind of people are gonna come out of the wood work come February to biatch about their TV not working. Expect them to come storming into electronic stores Zombie-style.
 
2008-11-30 09:00:22 AM  
akuma976: I more scared of WHAT kind of people are gonna come out of the wood work come February to biatch about their TV not working. Expect them to come storming into electronic stores Zombie-style.

Probly related to these outstanding Americans
Link
 
2008-11-30 09:11:06 AM  
Just buy one of these (new window), put a dish or two outside, and enjoy your 700+ channels for free. Jeez, are you people really that far behind the times?
 
2008-11-30 09:57:59 AM  
ahh, the "idiot box" needs a converter....nice... don't get me wrong, I watch a show here and there, but these people that just sit and stare at this thing for hours.. I just don't get it....no wonder we have so many fat f*#@$s in this country... they can't get off thier asses unless McDonalds tells them to.
 
2008-11-30 10:10:58 AM  
photosandmusic: but these people that just sit and stare at this thing for hours

says the man staring at a box
 
2008-11-30 10:13:35 AM  
BizarreMan: I would wonder exactly how many people there are in the US who solely recieve over the air broadcasts instead of cable, sat, or some other service.

I get my television over the air, but I do have cable internet. I don't watch it enough to warrant the extra cost for television.

The only time I actually turn on a program to watch when it is originally on is Sunday when I watch football. All the shows that I like can be watched on Hulu when I feel like watching them. With far less commercials, too. Plus I can stream all that crap to my Playstation and watch it sitting in my nice comfy couch.

The internet is far more entertaining than TV ever thought of being.

/still buying a converter box
//I like to PIP football and video games and my TV can't do it with 2 HD signals
 
2008-11-30 10:20:10 AM  
akuma976: photosandmusic: but these people that just sit and stare at this thing for hours

says the man staring at a box


Well cant get porn on a tv for free so there!
 
2008-11-30 10:23:14 AM  
JarJar: I got one of the boxes. However, I get no signal. Only reason we got it is that the VCR won't be able to work without one. I have a 70 mi. yagi antenna, and I'm 55 miles from the TV towers. No signal. Tried just running it to the TV and no signal. Right now I get all Broadcast channels in Analog. 2, 4,5, 7, 9, 11, 13. So when the changeover comes, it looks like I will have to go to satellite or cable, and use a DVR. What crap.

Go to www.tvfool.com and see where the digital channels are. Some stations are sticking with UHF, but others are moving back to VHF. I have a ChannelMaster 4228 antenna in my attic, and I receive digital signals from about 60 miles away. A pre-amp was required though.
 
2008-11-30 10:34:48 AM  
The all-or-nothing nature of the digital signals means that a lot of people will now be in the dark even with the converter boxes. The government has been lying that the signal strength will be received and as viewable as before. People like my grandmother, who rely on the antenna for their tv programming will be in the dark...And the satellite companies don't broadcast local channels where she lives.
 
2008-11-30 10:40:18 AM  
Thrakkerzog: JarJar: I got one of the boxes. However, I get no signal. Only reason we got it is that the VCR won't be able to work without one. I have a 70 mi. yagi antenna, and I'm 55 miles from the TV towers. No signal. Tried just running it to the TV and no signal. Right now I get all Broadcast channels in Analog. 2, 4,5, 7, 9, 11, 13. So when the changeover comes, it looks like I will have to go to satellite or cable, and use a DVR. What crap.

Go to www.tvfool.com and see where the digital channels are. Some stations are sticking with UHF, but others are moving back to VHF. I have a ChannelMaster 4228 antenna in my attic, and I receive digital signals from about 60 miles away. A pre-amp was required though.



Yeah. This is one of the negative aspects of digital TV that isn't spoken about much. With analog, you could still kinda tune it in and get it if you were on the edge. With digital, you either get it or you don't.

The other negative is I am prety positive that the broadcast flag will be brought back. Remember folks, it was already in the standard and removed once. The hardware is already in place on the devices. All it needs is the OK from lawmakers and do you think that lawmakers will do the right thing after passing DMCA? They are clueless to things except their wallets.

You like Disney DVD's that you cannot fast forward through the ads in the beginning? Then your pants will be really tight for digital TV with broadcast flags.
 
2008-11-30 10:43:35 AM  
If the confusion is bad now, it's worth remembering that it could actually get worse if the MPAA gets its way. The organization is seeking a waiver that would allow it to institute output controls on devices that receive digital signals. These controls may stop various devices like HDTVs and DVRs from operating as expected. If this exception winds up being granted, it amy wind up happening after the DTV transition, meaning households that are ostensibly prepared for it may run into trouble after the transition is complete.


What about "Amy"?
Why is she so important?

// Spellcheckers don't look over odd grammar and letter-swap typos.
 
2008-11-30 10:49:51 AM  
What really burns me up is they didn't give us one word of warning.

- What do you mean? They ran those TV commercials about it,
and that big radio campaign.

- Don't forget the leaflets they dropped from the Space
Shuttle, and the two weeks we all spent at DTV camp.

Not a single word of warning.
 
2008-11-30 10:53:36 AM  
Manic_Repressive: Just buy one of these (new window), put a dish or two outside, and enjoy your 700+ channels for free. Jeez, are you people really that far behind the times?

All good until nagra 3 hits.
 
2008-11-30 11:03:45 AM  
So many self important douches in this thread it seems impossible and pointless to flame any of them.
 
2008-11-30 11:11:30 AM  
Funny enough, when I hooked up my converter box, I got channels 4 and 5 clearly without moving my antenna, something analog had a problem with.

BitwiseShift: The FCC and the Federal Trade Commision and their contractor, IBM, have outdone FEMA in the incompetent delivery of these set top converters. The date will be pushed back. The people who will be hurt voted for Buchanan in Florida in the 2000 election.

What city dump is ready to receive all those 1980s console sets anyway on Feb 18.


I tend to disagree. I received my coupon within a couple weeks of applying and found at least 20 of two different boxes at Best Buy. Many other places also had multiple brands. If anything, the number of brands of coverter boxes was the most confusing part of it.
 
2008-11-30 11:17:00 AM  
WhyteRaven74

PBS has been using short little This Old House spots to talk about it


I actually watched that program last weekend. My coupons are in the mail!

Those lil boxes will come in handy when i get tired of shelling out 150 bucks a month for cable.
 
2008-11-30 11:21:49 AM  
Thrakkerzog: JarJar: I got one of the boxes. However, I get no signal. Only reason we got it is that the VCR won't be able to work without one. I have a 70 mi. yagi antenna, and I'm 55 miles from the TV towers. No signal. Tried just running it to the TV and no signal. Right now I get all Broadcast channels in Analog. 2, 4,5, 7, 9, 11, 13. So when the changeover comes, it looks like I will have to go to satellite or cable, and use a DVR. What crap.

Go to www.tvfool.com and see where the digital channels are. Some stations are sticking with UHF, but others are moving back to VHF. I have a ChannelMaster 4228 antenna in my attic, and I receive digital signals from about 60 miles away. A pre-amp was required though.


I guess one of my problems is that my antenna doesn't have UHF elements, just VHF. Damn. I do have a pre-amp connected to it here in the house. It's on a tower 20 feet at the lowest, 38ft. cranked up. At my age {62},I ain't going up there to change it.

Thank you for your answer though.
 
2008-11-30 11:21:50 AM  
Bathia_Mapes: They aren't completely free. You're entitled to two coupons per household (really a plastic "debit" style card) worth $40 each, with your end price on each converter box generally being $10.

Last I looked, net cost was $2.00 at Walmart.

Didn't buy, since I suddenly realized that the only thing we watch on TV any more is videos or DVDs.

Except for info on the recent fires - and after 10 minutes of:

1) perky reporters asking people how they felt about losing everything they owned,
2) background music of doom,
3) odious commercials, and
4) close-up pictures of localized fires, taken "just so" to imply to the view that the whole farking world was on fire,

... we turned it off again.

/bankrupt medium
 
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